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  • Joss: David, can you just tell us your name so we have that in?

  • David: David Phillips.

  • And, David, how often do you cry?

  • - Um... - It depends on the week.

  • Um, actually, on my way here I cried.

  • Sometimes when you're in

  • your most vulnerable situations

  • and Adele hits, she really hits.

  • So you know in "Guardians of the Galaxy"

  • when Groot makes a tree ball around his friends

  • and Rocket's like, "Groot, no!"

  • The episode where Ben and Leslie get married.

  • And I picked up the phone

  • and I realized she's not there anymore.

  • I probably cry once every six months, if it's a bad six months.

  • In 2016, when I received a video message of a moment

  • that I probably shouldn't have missed.

  • I remember these things because for three years I kept a record

  • of every time that I cried.

  • This is your spreadsheet.

  • ( music playing )

  • ( sniffling )

  • So you guys all read my spreadsheet.

  • I've crunched the data a little bit.

  • So, the majority of these were reactions to media,

  • TV shows, movies, podcasts, some articles,

  • and about 37% were things that were actually happening in my personal life.

  • So, as I've been looking into this,

  • one of the most interesting facts I've come across is

  • that a lot of people consider tears to be the only bodily fluid

  • that doesn't gross us out.

  • Snot, earwax, spit.

  • - All the other ones... - All the other ones.

  • ...all gross.

  • - All gross, but we-- - Yeah.

  • We don't have that reaction to tears.

  • Why'd you make the spreadsheet?

  • Um, when I cry, it feels like I've become a different person.

  • Because in my normal life, I'm very calm and collected.

  • I feel like I'm in control.

  • And I think most of us take for granted

  • that crying is something that humans do.

  • But I've never felt like I had a good grasp on why we do it.

  • I would weirdly find

  • that crying during swim practice was really therapeutic.

  • So, I just cry a little bit in my goggles

  • and then I rest on the wall during the interval,

  • and then I just literally would empty out the tears,

  • put on my cap and just keep swimming.

  • Joss: I have enlisted the help of Taili Wu,

  • a master stop motion animator,

  • to help us explain the anatomy of the lacrimal system,

  • which is what makes us cry.

  • - It's alive! - ( laughs )

  • We're gonna bring Alex in and show him how it all works.

  • All right.

  • - Are you ready? - Yeah.

  • Jose: Okay, so the main lacrimal gland is here on the upper

  • outer part of the eye socket.

  • That gland releases tears that travel across the eye

  • washing any irritants away.

  • And then when we blink, liquid gets pushed

  • into two tiny holes near the corner of the eye.

  • And if you look really close, you can see them.

  • Okay. Can you see it?

  • - Yes, I can now. - You do?

  • - It's tiny. Right there. - Yay!

  • - Can you show me the other one? - Yeah.

  • - Can you see it? - Yeah.

  • - You can see the hole. - I actually can see it.

  • Oh, my God.

  • So our tears drain into our nose,

  • and that's why the nose starts running when you cry.

  • When the lacrimal gland is producing so many tears,

  • that they can't drain fast enough,

  • they spill over onto your cheeks.

  • - And that's crying? - That's crying.

  • Wow. So it's just, like, this overflow of excess tears.

  • - Exactly. - Wow.

  • And we share this anatomy

  • with a lot of other land animals.

  • It evolved way before humans did.

  • And I found a clip on YouTube that I really want to show you.

  • - ( cat meows ) - Woman: Oh, Buddy.

  • Man: Oh, Buddy.

  • Did those onions get to you?

  • Aww, Buddy.

  • So this is what happens if you cut onions by a cat,

  • which is not a particularly nice thing to do.

  • But what's unique about us is that humans are the only animal

  • that cries tears of emotion.

  • - Really? - Yeah.

  • So there's some point in our evolution

  • that our lacrimal glands became connected to our emotions,

  • and I really wanted to know how that happened.

  • So I called up a Dutch psychologist named Ad Vingerhoets.

  • - Great name. - Who is-- yes.

  • Who is considered the world's leading expert in crying.

  • ( crying )

  • And would that be why we have tears when we yawn as well?

  • Yeah, yeah.

  • Okay, so the idea is that

  • the babies would've been screaming to get care,

  • that vocal signal,

  • and then it would've come along with that,

  • - these tears. - Yes.

  • ( baby crying )

  • I see. So, maybe there was a survival advantage

  • to a child who produced more tears

  • - as opposed to more vocal crying. - Yeah.

  • Hmm.

  • So what I'm getting from this is, like,

  • over time, crying became a way for us to reach out for help.

  • Now you're saying that tears are essentially

  • a more subdued way of expressing those same things.

  • Exactly.

  • Humans go through this really long childhood

  • where our brains still have to develop,

  • because we've got these giant brains.

  • They take 20, 25 years to finish forming,

  • and I think that's why this crying persists into adulthood for humans,

  • because we're vulnerable for longer than other species.

  • - Hmm. - I mean, kids are in their parents' house

  • for 18 years at least.

  • - Um, being-- - Or 25.

  • Or 25. Whatever, no judgment.

  • Joss: It was the sad, helpless screams of infants

  • that likely linked emotions to tears in our ancestors.

  • As adults, our emotions are more complex,

  • but they still trigger the same signal.

  • Um, I was walking to get groceries one day

  • and, um, I got a call from my grandfather.

  • He's sort of like another parent to me.

  • I lived in his house for a while growing up,

  • and I started crying.

  • I didn't really let on,

  • but I was like, "Oh, wow. I really miss--

  • I really miss you.

  • I'm really touched

  • that you're thinking of me and calling me,

  • even if there's not much for us to say."

  • One of the things we hear a lot

  • is that people feel better after they cry

  • and that crying is cathartic.

  • I've looked at some of the research on this,

  • and it seems like even though a lot of people

  • report that crying makes them feel better,

  • they haven't been able to find any sort

  • of physiological mechanism that would explain that.

  • So, I am on my way to meet with Dr. Meena Dasari.

  • She is a clinical psychologist.

  • And I sent her my spreadsheet in advance,

  • and I'm curious to see what her analysis of it is.

  • Thank you.

  • All right.

  • Do you think crying is healthy?

  • I think crying is healthy when done in moderation--

  • when it's used as form of emotional expression,

  • but in conjunction with other coping strategies.

  • Crying as a release of emotion, as a way of self-soothing,

  • and then moving on to different forms,

  • I do think can be healthy.

  • - He is so cute. - He's the sweetest.

  • And they're constantly wearing tie-dye, which is their thing.

  • - All the time? Look at them. - Yeah.

  • My nephew was born in 2014

  • and my niece was born in 2016.

  • - And you can see those in my spreadsheet, - Absolutely.

  • feeling like I was really missing some of those key moments--

  • their births, some of their birthdays.

  • And then my sister would send me videos of them.

  • Woman: Say "Happy birthday, Auntie Jossy."

  • Happy birthday, Auntie Jossy.

  • All: ♪ Happy birthday to you

  • And those moments were just like-- oof!

  • You know, like, I should be there.

  • - Dasari: You longed for that connection. - I did.

  • Well, I think that's what I was struck by

  • when reading your entries

  • is the big theme to me seemed human connectedness.

  • And there was sort of two experiences.

  • One was the expression of that human connectedness,

  • either love or affection, um, but also the loss.

  • My mother died when I was 13 years old

  • and my father didn't quite understand me,

  • and-- and I didn't understand him.

  • And so, I cried a lot of sad--

  • there was a lot of sadness in my life.

  • "Oh, Father" by Madonna.

  • You didn't mean to be cruel

  • I'm thinking of my mother

  • basically through the whole song.

  • That last day that I saw my mother alive was Mother's Day.

  • You know, my inner child's mind, I just feel like...

  • wounded, and it's always that part

  • that makes me feel...

  • like she's wounded, too.

  • Woman: What happened?

  • He's sad.

  • He's sad?

  • Yeah.

  • Oh, no.

  • That made me sad.

  • He wants his mama.

  • Oh.

  • Girl: Say "mama."

  • So I showed that clip

  • to the Dutch psychologist Ad Vingerhoets,

  • and he said that it's actually pretty rare

  • for a child that young to feel empathy to the point of tears.

  • But as we get older, it becomes more common to cry

  • not just for ourselves, but because we see others in pain.

  • And especially for women.

  • Across the board, women and girls score higher

  • on tests of empathy than men and boys.

  • And that might partly explain why women cry more than men.

  • In a survey of 37 countries around the world,

  • women consistently reported crying more often than men.

  • And for me, crying can feel almost contagious.

  • Each of these clips is from my spreadsheet,

  • and they show that there was a consistent trigger

  • that made me start to tear up.

  • 70% of the time, it was when I saw another person crying.

  • And I just remember, like, crossing the finish line

  • and being so emotionally vulnerable

  • and so emotionally dead, and then the plan was

  • everyone's just gonna meet me back in my apartment.

  • And so as I was walking,

  • one of my-- one of my best friends,

  • he came and-- and found me.

  • And again, I started crying as soon as I saw him,

  • because I was just-- I was just so glad that he was there

  • and I was so glad, like, somehow he knew that I needed him.

  • You got me.

  • It's like if you cry, I'm gonna cry.

  • That's amazing.

  • I think the most mysterious tears are the ones

  • that come when something positive is happening.

  • So I wanted to see if the team had the same reaction that I did

  • to wholesome videos from my spreadsheet.

  • Joss is having us watch some videos that she sent to us.

  • - Are you about to make me cry? - That depends on you.

  • So, here's the file. It's a Dropbox link.

  • I don't really know what to expect.

  • I think she wants me to cry.

  • I'm not going to cry.

  • I'm really scared.

  • Okay.

  • ( cheering)

  • Oh, my God.

  • That's only the second one? That's crazy.

  • I have goosebumps. Look.

  • ( gasps )

  • What is it? Singapore or Thailand?

  • That is too much water for that plant.

  • Joss: The Thai commercial

  • where the guy is going around

  • doing kind things for everyone in his community,

  • it's funny that that was on my spreadsheet,

  • because when I started researching this

  • it turns out that it's a clip

  • that psychologists use to study

  • the emotion of being moved.

  • There's a study that asked

  • people to track when they started crying

  • while they were watching that video.

  • And you can see that around the two minute mark

  • there's this big jump when people started crying.

  • - Oh, I know what that is. - What do you think it was?

  • It's the little girl in her uniform.

  • - It's gotta be the little girl. - It's gotta be the little girl.

  • - Yeah, that's the moment. - That's the moment!

  • That's when the character realizes

  • that the girl he's been donating money to...

  • ...has begun to go to school.

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  • And this finding comes from a research group

  • that studies an emotion that they call "kama muta,"

  • which is a Sanskrit word for "moved by love."

  • So, if you've ever seen something

  • that made you sort of reflexively put your hand on your chest

  • or get chills or goosebumps

  • or tears, they say those are all symptoms

  • of this distinct emotion of being moved by love.

  • So, their findings suggest

  • that you're likely to experience this emotion

  • when there's a sudden intensification

  • of a communal relationship,

  • when people feel themselves suddenly closer to each other.

  • And I think of it as kind of like surprise intimacy.

  • So we think that surprise

  • is really important aspect of that emotion,

  • because if you just have this relationship

  • and there's this really tiny change,

  • which is just happening over several days, for example,

  • maybe you would feel a bit happier,

  • but it wouldn't be this intense feeling

  • that you would have just in the moment.

  • What?

  • Are you serious?

  • Are you serious?

  • - Woman: What does that say, babe? - ( crying )

  • - What is that? - ( crying ) Oh, God.

  • When people say positive tears, tears of joy,

  • that always seemed a little bit not right to me.

  • It just seems like there's something more going on there

  • than just joy or happiness.

  • Yeah, we agree that it often

  • is occurring together with sadness,

  • and that's basically also the beauty of it, I guess,

  • because you often have this contrast.

  • So, imagine, the typical situation

  • would be if you reunite unexpectedly with--

  • with a loved one you haven't seen for many years.

  • So there had to be this kind of loss,

  • this background that it would occur against.

  • ( screaming ) Oh, my God!

  • Would you consider yourself someone who cries less often than most people?

  • I wouldn't know.

  • Like, I'm not sure how frequently people cry.

  • - But I would say-- - I could tell you that.

  • Okay, please do.

  • So, studies suggest that in Western countries

  • women cry on average two to four times a month.

  • - Wow. - And men cry about once every couple of months.

  • Yeah, I would cry about three times a year.

  • - Oh, wow. Okay. - Yeah.

  • - But they're-- they're good ones. - They're good ones.

  • Well, the good news is that there is a study about non-criers.

  • And it found that non-criers don't differ

  • from criers in their well-being.

  • They don't seem to have more depression or anxiety.

  • So this notion that crying is necessary for mental health,

  • that it's a necessary release, that doesn't seem to be true.

  • The director of the debate team

  • I was on in college passed away.

  • And all the alums came back for a funeral,

  • and everybody was crying and I noticed that I was not.

  • And it was the first funeral I'd been to,

  • and I realized that that was different.

  • And I felt like I had to take measures

  • to signal to others that I was still affected by it

  • because I wasn't showing the most obvious marker.

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  • Joss: There was this survey back in the late '90s

  • that asked a bunch of countries around the world

  • how often the people there cry.

  • And what they expected to find was that

  • the countries that had lower standard of living,

  • the countries where they rated themselves with lower well-being

  • and the countries with higher depression rates

  • would be the ones that cried more.

  • But that's not what they found.

  • The dark blue countries are the countries

  • that reported crying the most frequently.

  • And the light green are the ones that reported crying the least.

  • So you see here, we have three countries in Africa.

  • We have Nepal.

  • These are countries where the researchers would've assumed

  • that the people there would have objectively

  • more reasons for crying.

  • But what they found was that it was the happier,

  • wealthier countries that cried more.

  • And the variables that correlated with crying frequency

  • were things like the level of civil rights,

  • the level of democracy, extroversion, and individualism.

  • And so what the studies suggest is that crying,

  • at least on the international level,

  • isn't about how much distress a population feels.

  • Rather it's about how much that population feels

  • they have the freedom of emotional expression.

  • I think there's a special comfort in crying publicly.

  • It's nice to be around other people

  • and know crying is a part of your day

  • just like your commute or your lunch break.

  • It's just, oh, it's cry time.

  • It's cry o'clock.

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  • Crying evolved as a signal to others

  • that we need their help in order to survive.

  • But for adults, crying can be a message to ourselves,

  • if we pay attention.

  • I think about him a lot these days.

  • He's getting older, I'm getting older,

  • and, you know, time is not stopping for anybody.

  • It's a matter of going through life's atrocities for me

  • and-- and yet I came out on the bright side.

  • Your tears are a signal that you're seeing something important to you,

  • and the memories and values

  • that start pouring out of your eyes?

  • They can be surprising.

  • There are a lot of things that push my buttons.

  • But what's actually coming out

  • could've been building up for years.

  • Dr. Vingerhoets had a neat way of putting it.

  • He said, "Apparently..."

  • ( music playing )

  • Hello!

  • Hi, guys!

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