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  • DOUGLAS RUSHKOFF: For a long time I was a fan of universal basic income.

  • And the logic I had was that I always hear politicians talking about, 'Let's create jobs

  • for people.

  • That's what we need is jobs, more jobs,' as if that's what's going to solve the economic

  • problem.

  • So the government is supposed to lend money to a bank, who can then lend money to a corporation,

  • who will then build a factory in order for people to have jobs.

  • Do we really need more jobs?

  • In California, they're tearing down houses as we speak, because the houses are in foreclosure,

  • and they want to keep market values high.

  • The US Department of Agriculture burns food every week in order to keep the prices of

  • that food high, even though there's people who are starving and people who need homes.

  • We can't just let people have those homes.

  • Why?

  • Because they don't have jobs.

  • So now we're supposed to create jobs for people to make useless stuff for other people to

  • buy plastic crap that we're going to throw away or stick in storage units or end up in

  • landfill just so those people can have jobs so that we can justify letting them participate

  • in the abundance.

  • And that's kind of ass backwards.

  • So I thought, well, shoot, rather than creating useless jobs, what if we just let people have

  • the stuff that's in abundance?

  • Just let people have the houses.

  • What's the problem with this?

  • And UBI kind of goes along that lines of, well, if we have more than enough stuff, if

  • we don't need everybody working all the time, then why don't we just let people have income?

  • Or at least go to a four-day workweek or a three-day workweek or a two-day workweek.

  • If work is the thing that's scarce, then why don't we mete that out and say, 'OK, we've

  • got these 10 days that you're allowed to work this year.

  • So come on, come onto the farm and do that work, and then you'll have to find something

  • else for you to do the rest of the time.'

  • But in reality, it's not like that.

  • If we were really that efficient, then we wouldn't be destroying the planet with pollution.

  • What we've done is found ways of making stuff and doing things that require very little

  • labor, but externalize a host of other problems to a whole lot of other places.

  • So we could 3D print or something, but where do you get the plastic goop for your 3D printer?

  • What mine in Africa is it coming out of, and which topsoil is it destroying?

  • You know, when we're going to run out of topsoil in 60 years, it means that we're not actually

  • using the appropriate labor intensive permaculture solutions in agriculture and all that.

  • So first off, that whole idea that we're moving towards lower employment is a myth.

  • We've faked lower employment through extremely extractive, exploitative, polluting, and unsustainable

  • business practices.

  • And second, I was giving a talk at Uber, and I was talking to them about the problems with

  • their business model and how they're putting all these drivers out of work.

  • And here they are, these freelancers working for the company, basically training the algorithms

  • that will be replacing them without any profit participation in the end-game company.

  • And one of the guys got up and basically quoted back to me a passage from my own book, "Throwing

  • Rocks at the Google Bus" he said, well, what about universal basic income?

  • And when I heard it coming out of their mouths, I realized, 'Oh.'

  • So universal basic income isn't just a way to help people have the money they need to

  • survive and have time to innovate and come up with other solutions.

  • It's becoming an excuse for companies like Uber to not pay a living wage to their workers.

  • So what's the idea?

  • Oh, we'll get the government to print more money to give it to workers for them to spend

  • with us.

  • So what really happens what is universal basic income?

  • It's just a way of perpetuating our roles as consumers at the bottom of the pyramid,

  • not as owners.

  • If we're going to go to anything, I would say, what about universal basic assets?

  • What about actual participation?

  • What if the workers owned the means of production?

  • So you don't just give them a handout so that the money ends up in the same corporate coffers

  • and going into the same shares.

  • That's not the point.

  • What universal basic income does, if you look at the whole model, is allows the people who

  • own the lion's share of our world to own more and more of it.

  • We just print more money, and more of it goes up to the top.

  • That's not the way to get long-term equity.

  • Sure, Social Security, welfare, the dole, all those things are fine for those in need.

  • But it's not a great long-term economic strategy.

  • It's really just a Band-Aid on extractive corporate capitalism.

  • How do we get to extract more?

  • We'll just print more cash for us to extract.

DOUGLAS RUSHKOFF: For a long time I was a fan of universal basic income.

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