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  • Good evening.

  • From the Thomas and Max Centre of University of Nevada,

  • Las Vegas.

  • I'm Chris Wallace of Fox News.

  • And I welcome you to the third

  • and final of the 2016 presidential debates

  • between Secretary Of State Hillary Clinton and Donald J. Trump.

  • This debate is sponsored by the Commission On Presidential Debates.

  • The commission has designed the format,

  • six roughly 15-minute segments

  • with two-minute answers to the first question,

  • then open discussion for the rest of each segment.

  • Both campaigns have agreed to those rules.

  • For the record, I decided the topics and the questions in each topic.

  • None of those questions has been shared

  • with the commission or the two candidates.

  • The audience here in the hall has promised to remain silent.

  • No cheers, boos or other interruptions

  • so we and you can focus on what the candidates have to say.

  • No noise except right now

  • as we welcome the Democratic nominee for president, Secretary Clinton,

  • and the Republican nominee for president, Mr. Trump.

  • Secretary Clinton, Mr. Trump, welcome.

  • Let's get right to it.

  • The first topic is the Supreme Court.

  • We, you both talked briefly about the court in the last debate,

  • but I want to drill down on this

  • because the next president will almost certainly have at least

  • one appointment and likely or possibly two or three appointments,

  • which means that you will in effect determine the balance of the court

  • for what could be the next quarter century.

  • First of all, where do you want to see

  • the court take the country?

  • And secondly,

  • what's your view on how the constitution should be interpreted?

  • Do the founders' words mean what they say

  • or is it a living document

  • to be applied flexibly according to changing circumstances?

  • In this segment, Secretary Clinton, you go first,

  • you have two minutes.

  • Thank you very much, Chris,

  • and thanks to UNLV for hosting us.

  • You know, I think when we talk about the Supreme Court

  • it really raises the central issue in this election,

  • namely, what kind of country are we going to be?

  • What kind of opportunities will we provide for our citizens?

  • What kind of rights will Americans have?

  • And I feel strongly that

  • the Supreme Court needs to stand on the side of the American people,

  • not on the side of the powerful corporations and the wealthy.

  • For me, that means that we need a Supreme Court

  • that will stand up on behalf of women's rights,

  • on behalf of the rights of the LGBT community,

  • that will stand up and say no to Citizens United,

  • a decision that has undermined the election system in the country

  • because of the way it permits dark, unaccountable money

  • to come into our electoral system.

  • I have major disagreements with my opponent

  • about these issues and others

  • that will be before the Supreme Court,

  • but I feel that at this point in our country's history,

  • it is important that we not reverse marriage equality,

  • that we not reverse Roe v. Wade,

  • that we stand up against Citizens United,

  • we stand up for the rights of people in the workplace,

  • that we stand up and basically say

  • the Supreme Court should represent all of us.

  • That's how I see the court

  • and the kind of people that I would be looking to nominate to the court

  • would be in the great tradition of standing up to the powerful,

  • standing up on behalf of our rights as Americans,

  • and I look forward to having that opportunity.

  • I would hope that the Senate would do its job

  • and confirm the nominee that President Obama has sent to them.

  • That's the way the constitution fundamentally should operate.

  • The president nominates

  • and then the Senate advises and consents or not.

  • But they go forward with the process.

  • Secretary Clinton, thank you.

  • Mr. Trump, same question.

  • Where do you want to see the court take the country

  • and how do you believe the constitution should be interpreted?

  • Well, first of all, it's great to be with you and thank you, everybody.

  • The Supreme Court, it's what it's all about.

  • Our country is so, so, just so imperative that we have the right justices.

  • Something happened recently where

  • Justice Ginsburg made some very, very inappropriate statements toward me

  • and toward a tremendous number of people,

  • many, many millions of people that I represent,

  • and she was forced to apologize and apologize she did.

  • But these were statements that should never ever have been made.

  • We need a Supreme Court that, in my opinion,

  • is going to uphold the second amendment

  • and all amendments but the second amendment,

  • which is under absolute siege.

  • I believe if my opponent should win this race,

  • which I truly don't think will happen,

  • we will have a second amendment which will be a very, very small replica

  • of what it is right now.

  • But I feel that it's absolutely important that we uphold

  • because of the fact that it is under such trauma.

  • I feel that the justices that I am going to appoint,

  • and I've named 20 of them,

  • the justices that I'm going to appoint will be pro-life,

  • they will have a conservative bent,

  • they will be protecting the second amendment,

  • they are great scholars in all cases

  • and they're people of tremendous respect.

  • They will interpret the constitution the way the founders wanted it interpreted.

  • And I believe that's very, very important.

  • I don't think we should have justices appointed

  • that decide what they want to hear.

  • It's all about the constitution of...

  • and so important, the constitution the way it was meant to be

  • and those are the people that I will appoint.

  • Mr. Trump, thank you.

  • We now have about 10 minutes for open discussion.

  • I want to focus on two issues

  • that in fact by the justices that you name

  • could end up changing the existing law of the land.

  • First is one that you mentioned, Mr. Trump, and that is guns.

  • Secretary Clinton, you said last year, and let me quote,

  • the Supreme Court is wrong on the Second Amendment.

  • And now, in fact, in the 2008 Heller case,

  • the court ruled that there is a constitutional right to bear arms

  • but a right that is reasonably limited.

  • Those were the words of the Judge Antonio Scalia who wrote the decision.

  • What's wrong with that?

  • Well, first of all, I support the Second Amendment.

  • I lived in Arkansas for 18 wonderful years.

  • I represented upstate New York.

  • I understand and respect the tradition of gun ownership.

  • It goes back to the founding of our country.

  • But I also believe that there can be and must be reasonable regulation.

  • Because I support the Second Amendment,

  • doesn't mean that I want people who shouldn't have guns

  • to be able to threaten you, kill you or members of your family.

  • And so when I think about what we need to do,

  • we have 33,000 people a year who die from guns.

  • I think we need comprehensive background checks,

  • need to close the online loophole, close the gun show loophole.

  • There are other matters that I think are sensible,

  • that are the kind of reforms that would make a difference

  • that are not in any way conflicting with the Second Amendment.

  • You mentioned the Heller decision,

  • and what I was saying that you reference, Chris,

  • was that I disagreed with the way the court

  • applied the Second Amendment in that case.

  • Because what the District of Columbia was trying to do

  • was protect toddlers from guns.

  • So they wanted people with guns to safely store them,

  • and the court didn't accept that reasonable regulation,

  • but they've accepted many others.

  • So I see no conflict between saving people's lives and defending the Second Amendment.

  • Let me bring Mr. Trump in here.

  • The bipartisan Open Debate Coalition got millions of votes on questions to ask here,

  • and this was, in fact, one of the top questions that they got.

  • How will you insure the Second Amendment is protected?

  • You just heard Secretary Clinton's answer.

  • Does she persuade you that,

  • while you may differ on regulation,

  • that in fact she supports a Second Amendment right to bear arms?

  • Well, the DC v. Heller decision was very strongly...

  • and she was extremely angry about it.

  • I watched. I mean, she was very, very angry when upheld.

  • And Justice Scalia was so involved,

  • and it was a well-crafted decision,

  • but Hillary was extremely upset, extremely angry,

  • and people that believe in the Second Amendment and believe in it very strongly

  • were very upset with what she had to say.

  • Let me bring in Secretary Clinton. Were you extremely upset?

  • Well, I was upset because, unfortunately, dozens of toddlers injure themselves,

  • even kill people with guns

  • because, unfortunately, not everyone who has loaded guns in their homes

  • takes appropriate precautions.

  • But there's no doubt that I respect the Second Amendment,

  • that I also believe there's an individual right to bear arms.

  • That is not in conflict with sensible, common-sense regulation.

  • And, you know, look, I understand that Donald's been strongly supported by the NRA,

  • the gun lobby's on his side,

  • they're running millions of dollars of ads against me.

  • And I regret that

  • because what I would like to see is for people to come together and say,

  • of course, we're going to protect and defend the Second Amendment,

  • but we're going to do it in a way that tries to save

  • some of these 33,000 lives that we lose every year.

  • Let me bring Mr. Trump back into that.

  • Because, in fact, you oppose any limits on assault weapons,

  • any limits on high-capacity magazines,

  • you support a national right to carry law.

  • Why, sir?

  • Well, let me just tell you before we go any further,

  • in Chicago, which has the toughest gun laws in the United States,

  • probably you could say, by far, they have more gun violence than any other city.

  • So we have the toughest laws and you have tremendous gun violence.

  • I am a very strong supporter of the Second Amendment.

  • And I don't know if Hillary was saying it in a sarcastic manner,

  • but I'm very proud to have the endorsement of the NRA.

  • It's the earliest endorsement they've ever given

  • to anybody who ran for president.

  • I'm very honored by all of that.

  • We are going to appoint justices.

  • This is the best way to help the Second Amendment.

  • We're going to appoint justices

  • that will feel very strongly about the Second Amendment,

  • that will not do damage to the Second Amendment.

  • Another issue which divides you

  • and the justices that whoever ends up winning this election appoints

  • could have a dramatic effect there,

  • - and that's the issue of abortion. - Right.

  • Mr. Trump, you're pro-life.

  • But I want to ask you specifically,

  • do you want the court, including the justices that you will name,

  • to overturn Roe v. Wade which includes,

  • in fact, states a woman's right to abortion?

  • Well, if that would happen, because I am pro-life

  • and I will be appointing pro-life judges,

  • I would think that that would go back to the individual states.

  • But I'm asking you specifically, would you like...

  • If they overturned it, it will go back to the states.

  • What I'm asking you, sir, is do you want to see the court overturn?

  • You just said you want to see the court protect the Second Amendment.

  • Do you want to see the court overturn Roe v. Wade?

  • Well, if we put another two or perhaps three justices on,

  • that's really what is going to be... and that will happen,

  • and that will happen automatically, in my opinion,

  • because I'm putting pro-life justices on the court.

  • I will say this, it will go back to the states

  • and the states will then make a determination.

  • Secretary Clinton?

  • Well, I strongly support Roe v. Wade,

  • which guarantees a constitutional right to a woman

  • to make the most intimate, most difficult, in many oases, decisions

  • about her health care that one can imagine.

  • And in this case, it's not only about Roe v. Wade.

  • It is about what's happening right now in America,

  • so many states are putting very stringent regulations on women

  • that block them from exercising that choice

  • to the extent that they are defunding Planned Parenthood,

  • which, of course, provides all kinds of cancer screenings and other benefits

  • for women in our country.

  • Donald has said he's in favor of defunding Planned Parenthood.

  • He even supported shutting the government down to defund Planned Parenthood.

  • I will defend Planned Parenthood.

  • I will defend Roe v. Wade

  • and I will defend women's rights to make their own health care decisions.

  • Secretary...

  • And we've come too far to have that turn back now.

  • Indeed he said women should be punished,

  • that there should be some form of punishment for women who obtain abortions.

  • And I could just not be more opposed to that kind of thinking.

  • I'm going to give you a chance to respond,

  • but I want to ask you, Secretary Clinton,

  • I want to explore, how far you believe the right to abortion goes.

  • You have been quoted as saying that the fetus has no constitutional rights.

  • You also voted against a ban on late-term partial birth abortions.

  • Why?

  • Because, Roe v. Wade very clearly sets out

  • that there can be regulations on abortion

  • so long as the life and the health of the mother are taken into account.

  • And when I voted as a senator,

  • I did not think that that was the case.

  • The kinds of oases that fall at the end of pregnancy

  • are often the most heartbreaking, painful decisions for families to make.

  • I have met with women who toward the end of their pregnancy,

  • get the worst news one could get,

  • that their health is in jeopardy if they continue to carry to term

  • or that something terrible has happened or just been discovered about the pregnancy.

  • I do not think the United States government should be stepping in

  • and making those most personal of decisions.

  • So you can regulate, if you are doing so

  • with the life and the health of the mother taken into account.

  • Mr. Trump, your reaction

  • and particularly on this issue of late-term partial birth abortion.

  • Well, I think it's terrible if you go with what Hillary is saying,

  • in the ninth month you can take the baby

  • and rip the baby out of the womb of the mother just prior to the birth of the baby.

  • Now, you can say that that's okay, and Hillary can say that that's okay,

  • but it's not okay with me.

  • Because based on what she's saying and based on where she's going and where she's been,

  • you can take the baby and rip the baby out of the womb in the ninth month,

  • on the final day.

  • And that's not acceptable.

  • Well, that is not what happens in these cases.

  • And using that kind of scare rhetoric is just terribly unfortunate.

  • You should meet with some of the women that I've met with.

  • Women I've known over the course of my life.

  • This is one of the worst possible choices that any woman and her family has to make.

  • I do not believe the government should be making it.

  • You know, I had the great honor of traveling across the world on behalf of our country.

  • I've been to countries where governments either force women to have abortions

  • like they used to do in China

  • or force women to bear children

  • like they used to do in Romania.

  • And I can tell you that the government has no business in the decisions

  • that women make with their families

  • in accordance with their faith, with medical advice,

  • and I will stand up for that right.

  • All right. Just briefly, I want to move on to another segment.

  • And honestly, nobody has business doing what I just said,

  • doing that as late as one or two or three or four days prior to birth,

  • nobody has that right.

  • All right. Let's move on to the subject of immigration

  • and there is almost no issue that separates the two of you

  • more than the issue of immigration.

  • Actually, there are a lot of issues that separate the two of you.

  • Mr. Trump, you want to build a wall.

  • Secretary Clinton, you've offered no specific plan

  • for how you want to secure our southern border.

  • Mr. Trump, you are calling for major deportations.

  • Secretary Clinton, you say that within your first hundred days as president,

  • you'll offer a package that includes a pathway to citizenship.

  • The question really is

  • why are you right and your opponent wrong?

  • Mr. Trump, you go first in this segment. You have two minutes.

  • Well, first of all, she wants to give amnesty, which is a disaster

  • and very unfair to all the people who are waiting in line for many, many years.

  • We need strong borders.

  • In the audience tonight, we have four mothers of...

  • I mean, these are unbelievable people that I've gotten to know over a period of years

  • whose children have been killed,

  • brutally killed by people who came into the country illegally.

  • You have thousands of mothers, fathers, and relatives all over the county.

  • They're coming in illegally.

  • Drugs are pouring in through the border.

  • We have no country if we have no border.

  • Hillary wants to give amnesty, she wants to have open borders.

  • As you know, the border patrol agency,

  • 16,500-plus ICE last week endorsed me.

  • First time they've ever endorsed a candidate.

  • It means their job is tougher,

  • but they know what's going on. They know it better than anybody.

  • They want strong borders. They feel we have to have strong borders.

  • I was up in New Hampshire, the biggest complaint they have,

  • with all the problems going on in the world,

  • many of the problems caused by Hillary Clinton and by Barack Obama,

  • all of the problems,

  • their single biggest problem is heroin

  • that pours across our southern borders, just pouring and destroying their youth.

  • It's poisoning the blood of their youth and plenty of other people.

  • We have to have strong borders.

  • We have to keep the drugs out of our country.

  • Right now, we're getting the drugs, they're getting the cash.

  • We need strong borders. We absolute...

  • We cannot give amnesty.

  • Now I want to build a wall. We need the wall.

  • And the border patrol, ICE,

  • they all want the wall.

  • We stop the drugs, we shore up the border.

  • One of my first acts will be to get all of the drug lords,

  • all of the bad ones.

  • We have some bad, bad people in this country that have to go out.

  • We'll get them out, we're going to secure the bother,

  • and once the border is secured,

  • at a later date, we'll make a determination as to the rest.

  • But we have some bad hombres here and we're going to get them out.

  • Mr. Trump, thank you.

  • Same question to you, Secretary Clinton.

  • Basically, why are you right and Mr. Trump is wrong?

  • Well, as he was talking, I was thinking about

  • a young girl I met here in Las Vegas, Carla...

  • who was very worried that her parents might be deported

  • because she was born in this country, but they were not.

  • They work hard. They do everything they can to give her a good life.

  • And you're right, I don't want to rip families apart.

  • I don't want to be sending parents away from children.

  • I don't want to see the deportation force that Donald has talked about

  • in action in our country.

  • We have 11 million undocumented people.

  • They have 4 million American citizen children,

  • 15 million people.

  • He said as recently as a few weeks ago in Phoenix

  • that every undocumented person would be subject to deportation.

  • Now, here's what that means.

  • It means you would have to have a massive law enforcement presence

  • where law enforcement officers would be going school to school,

  • home to home, business to business

  • rounding up people who are undocumented

  • and we would then have to put them on trains, on buses,

  • to get them out of our country.

  • I think that is an idea that is not in keeping with who we are as a nation.

  • I think it's an idea that would rip our country apart.

  • I have been for border security for years.

  • I voted for border security in the United States Senate,

  • and my comprehensive immigration reform plan

  • of course includes border security.

  • But I wanna put our resources where I think they're most needed,

  • getting rid of any violent person,

  • anybody who should be deported, we should deport them.

  • When it comes to the wall that Donald talks about building,

  • he went to Mexico.

  • He had a meeting with the Mexican president.

  • Didn't even raise it. He choked.

  • And then got into a Twitter war

  • because the Mexican president said,

  • "We're not paying for that wall."

  • So I think we are both a nation of immigrants

  • and we are a nation of laws

  • and that we can act accordingly.

  • And that's why I'm introducing comprehensive immigration reform

  • within the first hundred days

  • with a path to citizenship.

  • I'm introducing comprehensive immigration reform

  • within the first hundred days

  • with a path to citizenship.

  • Thank you, Secretary Clinton. I wanna follow up--

  • - Chris, I think I should respond to them. - Okay.

  • First of all, I had a very good meeting with the president of Mexico.

  • Very nice man.

  • We will be doing very much better with Mexico

  • on trade deals, believe me.

  • The NAFTA deal signed by her husband,

  • it's one of the worst deals ever made of any kind signed by anybody.

  • It's a disaster.

  • Hillary Clinton wanted the wall.

  • Hillary Clinton fought for the wall in 2006 or thereabouts.

  • Now she never gets anything done,

  • so naturally the wall wasn't built.

  • But Hillary Clinton wanted the wall.

  • We are a country of laws--

  • No, wait, I'd like to hear from-- I'd like to hear from-

  • I'd like to hear from Secretary Clinton.

  • I voted for border security,

  • And the wall.

  • There are some limited places where that was appropriate.

  • There also is necessarily going to be new technology

  • and how best to deploy that.

  • But it is clear when you look at what Donald has been proposing,

  • he started his campaign bashing immigrants,

  • calling Mexican immigrants rapists

  • and criminals and drug dealers,

  • that he has a very different view about

  • what we should do to deal with immigrants.

  • Now, what I am also arguing is

  • that bringing undocumented immigrants out from the shadows,

  • putting them into the formal economy will be good

  • because then employers can't exploit them

  • and undercut Americans' wages.

  • And Donald knows a lot about this.

  • He used undocumented labour to build the Trump Tower.

  • He underpaid undocumented workers

  • and when they complained

  • he basically said what a lot of employers do.

  • "You complain, I'll get you deported."

  • I want to get everybody out of the shadows,

  • get the economy working,

  • and not let employers like Donald

  • exploit undocumented workers

  • which hurts them but also hurts American workers.

  • Mr. Trump?

  • President Obama has moved millions of people out.

  • Nobody knows about it, nobody talks about it.

  • But under Obama, millions of people have been moved out of this country.

  • They've been deported.

  • She doesn't want to say that, but that's what's happened.

  • And that's what's happened big league.

  • As far as moving these people out and moving-

  • We either have a country or we don't.

  • We're a country of laws.

  • We either have a border or we don't.

  • Now, you can come back in and you can become a citizen,

  • but it's very unfair.

  • We have millions of people that did it the right way.

  • They're on line. They're waiting.

  • We're gonna speed up the process big league

  • because it's very inefficient.

  • But they're in line, and they're waiting to become citizens.

  • Very unfair that somebody runs across the border,

  • becomes a citizen.

  • Under her plan, you have open borders.

  • You would have a disaster on trade,

  • and you will have a disaster with your open borders.

  • But what she doesn't say is that President Obama has deported

  • millions and millions of people just the way it is.

  • - Secretary Clinton- - We will not have open borders.

  • That is a rank mischaracterization.

  • We will have secure borders, but we will also have reform.

  • And-- This used to be a bipartisan issue.

  • Ronald Reagan was the last president to sign immigration reform

  • and George W. Bush supported it as well.

  • Secretary Clinton, I want to clear up

  • your position on this issue

  • because in a speech you gave to a Brazilian bank

  • for which you were paid 225,000 dollars

  • we've learned from the WikiLeaks that you said this,

  • and I want to quote,

  • "My dream is a hemispheric common market

  • with open trade and open borders."

  • - So that's the question. - Thank you.

  • That's the question. Please, quiet, everybody.

  • Is that your dream, open borders?

  • Well, if you went on to read the rest of the sentence,

  • I was talking about energy.

  • You know, we trade more energy with our neighbours than

  • we trade with the rest of the world combined.

  • And I do want us to have an electric grid and energy system

  • that crosses borders.

  • I think that would be a great benefit to us.

  • But you are very clearly quoting from WikiLeaks,

  • and whats really important about WikiLeaks is

  • that the Russian government has engaged in espionage against Americans.

  • They have hacked American websites,

  • American accounts of private people, of institutions,

  • then they have given that information to WikiLeaks

  • for the purpose of putting it on the Internet.

  • This has come from the highest levels of the Russian government,

  • clearly from Putin himself,

  • in an effort, as 17 of our intelligence agencies have confirmed,

  • to influence our election.

  • So I actually think the most important question of this evening,

  • Chris, is finally will Donald Trump

  • admit and condemn that the Russians are doing this

  • and make it clear that he will not have the help of Putin in this election,

  • that he rejects Russian espionage against Americans,

  • which he actually encouraged in the past?

  • Those are the questions we need answered.

  • We've never had anything like this happen in any of our elections before.

  • That was a great pivot off the fact

  • that she wants open borders, okay?

  • - How did we get off to Putin? - Hold on.

  • Hold on, folks,

  • because this is going to end up getting out of control.

  • Let's try to keep it quiet so-

  • For the candidates and for the American people.

  • - So just to finish on the borders. - Yes.

  • She wants open borders.

  • People are going to pour into our country.

  • People are going to come in from Syria.

  • She wants 550 per cent more people than Barack Obama,

  • and he has thousands and thousands of people.

  • They have no idea where they come from

  • and you see, we are going to stop radical Islamic terrorism

  • in this country.

  • She won't even mention the words

  • and neither will president Obama.

  • So I just want to tell you, she wants open borders.

  • Now we can talk about Putin.

  • I don't know Putin.

  • He said nice things about me.

  • If we got along well, that would be good.

  • If Russia and the United States got along well

  • and went after ISIS, that would be good.

  • He has no respect for her.

  • He has no respect for our president.

  • And I'll tell you what, were in very serious trouble

  • because we have a country with tremendous numbers of nuclear warheads,

  • 1,800, by the way,

  • where they expanded and we didn't.

  • Eighteen hundred nuclear warheads, and she's playing chicken.

  • - Look, Putin- - Wait.

  • From everything I see, has no respect for this person.

  • Well, that's because he'd rather have a puppet - as president of the United States.

  • No puppet. No puppet.

  • - And it's pretty clear-- - You're the puppet.

  • It's pretty clear you won't admit -

  • that the Russians have engaged in cyber attacks against the United States of America

  • that you encouraged espionage against our people,

  • that you are willing to spout the Putin line,

  • sign up for his wish list,

  • break up NATO, do whatever he wants to do,

  • and that you continue to get help from him

  • because he has a very clear favourite in this race.

  • So I think that this is such an unprecedented situation.

  • We've never had a foreign government

  • trying to interfere in our election.

  • We have 17, 17 intelligence agencies,

  • civilian and military,

  • who have all concluded that these espionage attacks,

  • these cyberattacks,

  • come from the highest levels of the Kremlin,

  • and they are designed to influence our election.

  • I find that deeply disturbing. And I...

  • She has no idea whether it's Russia,

  • China, or anybody else.

  • - I am not quoting myself. - She has no idea.

  • - I am quoting 17- - Hillary, you have no idea.

  • Seventeen intelligence...Do you doubt?

  • 17 military and civilian agencies.

  • - Yeah, I doubt it. I doubt it. - He'd rather believe Vladimir Putin

  • than the military and civilian intelligence professionals

  • who are sworn to protect us.

  • I find that just absolutely- She doesn't like Putin

  • because Putin has outsmarted her at every step of the way.

  • Excuse me.

  • - Putin has outsmarted her. - Mr. Trump-

  • In Syria, he's outsmarted her every step of the way.

  • - I do get to ask some questions. - Yes, that's fine.

  • And I would like to ask you this direct question.

  • The top national security officials of this country

  • do believe that Russia has been behind these hacks.

  • Even if you don't know for sure whether they are,

  • do you condemn any interference

  • by Russia in the American election?

  • By Russia or anybody else.

  • You condemn their interference?

  • Of course I condemn.

  • Of course I con-- I don't know Putin.

  • I have no idea-- I never met Putin.

  • This is not my best friend.

  • But if the United States got along with Russia,

  • wouldn't be so bad.

  • Let me tell you, Putin has outsmarted her

  • and Obama at every single step of the way.

  • Whether it's Syria. You name it.

  • Missiles.

  • Take a look at the start-up that they signed.

  • The Russians have said,

  • according to many, many reports,

  • I can't believe they allowed us to do this.

  • They create warheads and we can't.

  • The Russians can't believe it.

  • She has been outsmarted by Putin

  • and all you have to do is look at the Middle East.

  • They've taken over.

  • We've spent 6 trillion dollars.

  • They've taken over the Middle East.

  • She has been outsmarted and outplayed

  • worse than anybody I've ever seen

  • in any government whatsoever.

  • We're a long way away from immigration,

  • but I'm gonna let you finish - this topic,

  • you got about 45 seconds.

  • - Well, I-- - Yeah, I've-- - And she always will be.

  • I find it ironic that he's raising nuclear weapons.

  • This is a person who has been very cavalier,

  • even casual about the use of nuclear weapons.

  • - He's advocated more countries. - Wrong.

  • Getting them, Japan, Korea,

  • even Saudi Arabia.

  • He said, "Well, if we have them,

  • why don't we use them?"

  • Which I think is terrifying.

  • But here's the deal, the bottom line on nuclear weapons is

  • that when the president gives the order, it must be followed.

  • There's about four minutes between the order being given

  • and the people responsible for launching nuclear weapons to do so.

  • And that's why 10 people who have had that awesome responsibility have come out

  • and in an unprecedented way said

  • they would not trust Donald Trump with the nuclear codes

  • or to have his finger on the nuclear button.

  • I have 200 generals and admirals,

  • 21 endorsing me, 21 Congressional Medal of Honour recipients.

  • As far as Japan and other countries,

  • we are being ripped off by everybody indoor,

  • we're defending other countries.

  • We are spending a fortune doing it.

  • They have the bargain of the century.

  • All I said is we have to

  • renegotiate these agreements

  • because our country cannot afford to defend Saudi Arabia,

  • Japan, Germany, South Korea, and many other places.

  • We cannot continue to afford.

  • She took that as saying nuclear weapons.

  • Okay. Look, she's been proven to be a liar

  • on so many different ways.

  • This is just another lie.

  • Well, I'm just quoting you. When you were -

  • There's no quote. You're not gonna find a quote from me.

  • About nuclear competition in Asia,

  • you said, you know, "Go ahead, enjoy yourselves, folks."

  • - That kind of language that... - And defend yourselves.

  • And defend yourselves. I didn't say nuclear.

  • And defend yourselves.

  • The United States has kept the peace through our alliances.

  • Donald wants to tear up our alliances.

  • I think it makes the world safer

  • and, frankly, it makes the United States safer.

  • I would work with our allies in Asia,

  • in Europe, in the Middle East and elsewhere.

  • That's the only way we're going to be able to keep the peace.

  • We're gonna move on to the next topic, which is the economy.

  • And I hope we handle that

  • as well as we did immigration.

  • The next topic, which is the economy.

  • And I hope we handle that

  • as well as we did immigration.

  • You also have very different ideas

  • about how to get the economy growing faster.

  • Secretary Clinton, in your plan,

  • government plays a big role.

  • You see more government spending,

  • more entitlements, more tax credits,

  • more tax penalties.

  • Mr. Trump, you wanna get government out -

  • - with lower taxes and less regulation. - Yes.

  • We're gonna drill down into this a little bit more.

  • But in this overview, please explain to me

  • why you believe that your plan

  • will create more jobs and growth for this country

  • and your opponent's plan will not.

  • In this round, you go first, Secretary Clinton.

  • Well, I think when the middle class thrives, America thrives.

  • And so my plan is based on growing the economy,

  • giving middle-class families many more opportunities.

  • I want us to have the biggest jobs programme

  • since World War II,

  • jobs and infrastructure and advanced manufacturing.

  • Well, I think we can compete with high-wage countries,

  • and I believe we should.

  • New jobs and clean energy

  • not only to fight climate change,

  • which is a serious problem,

  • but to create new opportunities and new businesses.

  • I want us to do more to help small business,

  • that's where two-thirds of the new jobs are going to come from.

  • I want us to raise the national minimum wage.

  • Because people who live in poverty, should not-

  • Who work full-time should not still be in poverty.

  • And I sure do wanna make sure women get equal pay for the work we do.

  • I feel strongly that we have to have an education system

  • that starts with preschool and goes through college.

  • That's why I want more technical education in high schools

  • and in community colleges,

  • real apprenticeships to prepare young people

  • for the jobs of the future.

  • I wanna make college debt free.

  • And for families making less than 125,000 dollars,

  • you will not get a tuition bill from a public college or university

  • if the plan that I worked on

  • with Bernie Sanders is enacted.

  • And we're gonna work hard to make sure that it is.

  • Because we are going to go where the money is.

  • Most of the gains in the last years since the great recession

  • have gone to the very top.

  • So we are gonna have the wealthy pay their fair share.

  • We're going to have corporations

  • make a contribution greater than they are now to our country.

  • That is a plan that has been analysed by independent experts

  • which said that it could produce 10 million new jobs.

  • By contrast, Donald's plan has been analysed to-

  • Conclude it might lose three and a half million jobs.

  • Why? Because his whole plan is to cut taxes

  • to give the biggest tax breaks ever

  • to the wealthy and to corporations

  • adding 20 trillion dollars to our debt

  • and causing the kind of dislocation that we have seen before

  • because it truly will be

  • trickle-down economics on steroids.

  • So the plan I have, I think will actually produce greater opportunities.

  • The plan he has will cost us jobs

  • and possibly lead to another great recession.

  • Secretary, thank you. Mr. Trump...

  • why will your plan create more jobs

  • and growth than Secretary Clinton?

  • Well, first of all, before I start on my plan,

  • her plan is going to raise taxes and even double your taxes.

  • Her tax plan is a disaster.

  • And she can say all she wants about college tuition

  • and I'm a big proponent,

  • we're gonna do a lot of things for college tuition,

  • but the rest of the public's gonna be paying for it.

  • We will have a massive, massive tax increase

  • under Hillary Clinton's plan.

  • But I'd like to start off where we left

  • because when I said Japan and Germany and I'm not to single them out,

  • but South Korea,

  • these are very rich, powerful countries.

  • Saudi Arabia, nothing but money.

  • We protect Saudi Arabia.

  • Why aren't they paying?

  • She immediately, when she heard this,

  • I questioned and I questioned NATO,

  • why aren't the NATO questioned

  • why aren't they paying,

  • because they weren't paying.

  • Since I did this, a year ago,

  • all of a sudden they're paying.

  • I've been given a lot of credit for it.

  • All of a sudden they're starting to pay up.

  • They have to pay up. We're protecting people.

  • They have to pay UP-

  • I'm a big fan of NATO, but they have to pay up.

  • She comes out and said, "We love our allies, we think our allies are great."

  • Well, it's awfully hard to get them to pay up

  • when you have somebody saying we think how great they are.

  • We have to tell Japan in a very nice way, we have to tell Germany,

  • all of these countries, South Korea,

  • we have to say, "You have to help us out."

  • We have during his regime, during president Obama's regime,

  • we've doubled our national debt. We're up to twenty trillion dollars.

  • So my plan, we're gonna re-negotiate trade deals.

  • We're gonna a lot free trade.

  • We're gonna have free trade. More free trade than we have right now.

  • But we have horrible deals.

  • Our jobs are being taken out

  • by the deal that her husband signed, NAFTA,

  • one of the worst deals ever.

  • Our jobs are being sucked out of our economy.

  • You look at all of the places that I just left,

  • you go the Pennsylvania,

  • you go to Ohio, you go to Florida,

  • you go to any of them, upstate New York,

  • our jobs have fled to Mexico and other places.

  • We're bringing our jobs back.

  • I'm going to re-negotiate NAFTA.

  • And if I can't make a great deal,

  • then we're gonna to terminate NAFTA

  • and we're gonna create new deals. We'll have trade,

  • but we'll terminate it,

  • we'll make a great trade deal.

  • And if we can't, we're gonna go a separate way

  • because it has been a disaster.

  • We're gonna cut taxes massively. We'll cut business taxes massively.

  • They're gonna start hiring people.

  • Were gonna bring the $2.5 trillion that's offshore back into the country.

  • We're going to start the engine rolling again

  • because right now our country is dying at 1% GDP.

  • Let me translate that if I can, Chris.

  • - Because... - You can't.

  • Fact is, he's going to advocate for the largest tax cuts we've ever seen.

  • Three times more than the tax cuts under the Bush administration.

  • I have said repeatedly throughout this campaign,

  • I will not raise taxes

  • on anyone making $250,000 or less.

  • I also will not add a penny to the debt.

  • I have costed out what I'm going to do.

  • He will, through his massive tax cuts,

  • add $20 trillion to the debt.

  • He mentioned the debt.

  • We know how to get control of the debt.

  • When my husband was president,

  • we went from a 300 billion-dollar deficit

  • to a 200 billion-dollar surplus

  • and we're actually on the path to eliminating the national debt.

  • When president Obama came into office

  • he inherited the worst economic disaster since the great depression.

  • He has cut the deficit by two-thirds.

  • So yes, one of the ways you go after the debt. One of the ways you create jobs

  • is by investing in people.

  • I do have investment, investments in new jobs,

  • investments in education, skill training,

  • and the opportunities for people to get ahead and stay ahead.

  • That's the kind of approach...

  • - Secretary. - that will work.

  • Cutting taxes on the wealthy, we've tried that. It has not worked

  • - the way that it has been promised. - Secretary Clinton,

  • I want to pursue your plan.

  • Because in many ways it is similar

  • to the Obama stimulus plan in 2009,

  • which has led to the slowest

  • GDP growth since 1949.

  • - Correct. - Thank you, sir.

  • You told me in July when we spoke that the problem is...

  • that president Obama didn't get to do enough

  • in what he was trying to do with this stimulus.

  • So is your plan basically even more of the Obama stimulus?

  • Well, it's a combination, Chris. Let me say that...

  • when you inherit...

  • the level of economic catastrophe that president Obama inherited,

  • it was a real touch-and-go situation.

  • I was in the Senate before I became Secretary of State.

  • I've never seen people

  • as physically distraught as the Bush administration team was

  • because of what was happening to the economy.

  • I personally believe that the steps that president Obama took saved the economy.

  • He doesn't get the credit he deserves

  • for taking some very hard positions,

  • but it was a terrible recession.

  • So now we've dug ourselves out of it.

  • We're standing, but we're not yet running.

  • So what I am proposing is that

  • we invest from the middle out and the ground up,

  • not the top down. That is not going to work.

  • That's why what I have put forward doesn't add a penny to the debt,

  • but it is the kind of approach that will enable more people

  • to take those new jobs, higher paying jobs.

  • We're beginning to see some increase in incomes

  • and we certainly have had a long string of increasing jobs.

  • We've got to do more to get the whole economy moving,

  • and that's what I believe I will be able to do.

  • Mr. Trump,

  • even conservative economists who have looked at your plan say that

  • the numbers don't add up, that your idea, and you've talked about

  • - 25 million jobs created, - Over a ten-year period.

  • 4%...growth is unrealistic.

  • And they say you talk a lot about growing the energy industry.

  • They say with oil prices as they are right now, that's unrealistic as well.

  • Your response?

  • So I just left some high representatives of India.

  • They're growing at 8%.

  • China is growing at 7%.

  • And that for them is a catastrophically low number.

  • We are growing, our last report came out

  • and it's right around the 1% level and I think it's going down.

  • Last week, as you know, the end of last week,

  • they came out with an anaemic jobs report.

  • A terrible jobs report. In fact, I said,

  • "Is that the last jobs report before the election?

  • Because if it is, I should win easily.

  • It was so bad."

  • The report was so bad.

  • Look, our country is stagnant.

  • We've lost our jobs. We've lost our businesses.

  • We're not making things anymore, relatively speaking,

  • our product is pouring in from China,

  • pouring in from Vietnam, pouring in from all over the world.

  • I've visited so many communities,

  • this has been such an incredible education for me, Chris.

  • I've gotten to know so many...I've developed so many friends over the last year.

  • And they cry when they see what's happened.

  • I pass factories that

  • were thriving 20, 25 years ago

  • and because of the bill that her husband signed

  • and she blessed a hundred percent,

  • it is just horrible what's happened to these people in these communities.

  • She can say that her husband did well,

  • but boy, did they suffer as NAFTA kicked in

  • because it didn't really kick in very much

  • but it kicked in after they left.

  • Boy, did they suffer.

  • That was one of the worst things that's ever been signed by our country.

  • Now she wants to sign transpacific partnership.

  • She wants it.

  • She lied when she said she didn't call it

  • the gold standard in one of the debates.

  • She totally lied,

  • she did call it the gold standard

  • and they fact checked and said I was right. I was so honoured.

  • She wants it.

  • She lied when she said she didn't call it

  • the gold standard in one of the debates.

  • She totally lied,

  • she did call it the gold standard

  • and they fact checked and said I was right. I was so honoured.

  • I want to give you a chance to briefly speak to that

  • and I want to pivot to the Economy...

  • And that will be as bad as NAFTA.

  • Which is Obamacare. But go ahead, briefly.

  • Let me say, number one, when I saw...

  • the final agreement for TPP,

  • I said I was against it. It didn't meet my test.

  • I've had the same test.

  • Does it create jobs, raise incomes

  • and further our national security?

  • I'm against it now, I'll be against it after the election,

  • I'll be against it when I'm president.

  • There's only one of us on this stage

  • who's actually shipped jobs to Mexico because that's Donald.

  • He shipped jobs to 12 countries

  • including Mexico, but he mentioned China, and...

  • One of the biggest problems we have with China

  • is the illegal dumping of steel and aluminum into our markets.

  • I've fought against that as a senator,

  • I stood up against it as Secretary of State,

  • Donald has bought Chinese steel and aluminum.

  • The Trump Hotel here in Las Vegas

  • was made with Chinese steel.

  • He goes around with crocodile tears about how terrible it is,

  • but he has given jobs to Chinese steel workers,

  • not American steel workers.

  • - Mr. Trump? - That's the kind of approach...

  • - Let me just say... - that's just not going to work.

  • We'll pull the country together.

  • We'll have trade agreements that we enforce.

  • That's why I am going to have a trade prosecutor

  • for the first time in history.

  • We're going to enforce those agreements

  • and look for businesses that help us by buying American products.

  • - Go ahead, Mr. Trump. - I ask a simple question.

  • She's been doing this for 30 years.

  • Why didn't you do it over the last 15, 20 years?

  • - You know, I voted... - You were very much involved...

  • Excuse me, my turn.

  • You were very much involved in every aspect of this country, very much.

  • And you do have experience.

  • I say the one thing you have over me is experience,

  • but it's bad experience

  • because what you've done is turned out badly.

  • For 30 years you've been in a position to help

  • and if you say that I used steel or I use something else...

  • make it impossible for me to do that. I wouldn't mind.

  • The problem is you talk, but you don't get anything done,

  • Hillary, you don't.

  • Just like when you ran the State Department,

  • six billion dollars was missing.

  • How did you miss six billion dollars?

  • You ran the State Department.

  • Six billion dollars was either stolen, they don't know,

  • it's gone...six billion dollars.

  • If you become president, this country is going to be in some mess, believe me.

  • Well, first of all, what he just said about the State Department is not only untrue,

  • it's been debunked numerous times.

  • But I think it's really an important issue he raised the 30 years of experience.

  • Let me just talk briefly about that. You know, back in the 1970s,

  • I worked for Children's Defense Fund,

  • and I was taking on discrimination against African-American kids in schools.

  • He was getting sued by the Justice Department

  • for racial discrimination in his apartment buildings.

  • In the 1980s,

  • I was working to reform the schools in Arkansas.

  • He was borrowing 14 million dollars from his father to start his businesses.

  • In the 1990s,

  • I went to Beijing and I said women's rights are human rights.

  • He insulted a former miss universe, Alicia Machado,

  • called her an eating machine.

  • - Give me a break. - And on the day...

  • when I was in the Situation Room,

  • monitoring the raid that brought Osama bin Laden to justice,

  • he was hosting The Celebrity Apprentice.

  • So I'm happy to compare my 30 years of experience,

  • what I've done for this country, trying to help in every way I could,

  • especially kids and families

  • get ahead and stay ahead

  • with your 30 years.

  • And I'll let the American people make that decision.

  • Well, I think I did a much better job.

  • I built a massive company, a great company,

  • some of the greatest asset anywhere in the world,

  • worth many many billions of dollars.

  • I started with a one million dollar loan.

  • I agree with that...one million dollar loan.

  • But I built a phenomenal company.

  • And if we could run our country the way I've run my company,

  • we would have a country that you will be so proud of.

  • You would even be proud of it.

  • And frankly, when you look at her real record,

  • take a look at Syria. Take a look at the migration.

  • Take a look at Libya. Take a look at Iraq.

  • She gave us ISIS

  • because her and Obama created this huge vacuum.

  • And a small group came out of that huge vacuum

  • because, we should have never been in Iraq,

  • but once we were there we should have never gotten out the way they want to get out.

  • She gave us ISIS as sure as you are sitting there.

  • And what happened is now ISIS is in thirty two countries.

  • Now I listen, she's going to get rid of ISIS

  • She's going to get rid of nobody.

  • All right. We are going to get to foreign hotspots in a few moments

  • but the next segment is fitness to be president of the United States.

  • Mr. Trump, at the last debate,

  • you said your talk about grabbing women was just that, talk,

  • and that you'd never actually done it.

  • And since then, as we all know, nine women have come forward

  • and said that you either groped them or kissed them without their consent.

  • Why would so many different women from so many different circumstances

  • over so many different years,

  • why would they all in this last couple of weeks...

  • make up, you deny this,

  • why would they all make up these stories

  • and sent to this is a question for both of you

  • Secretary Clinton,

  • Mr. Trump says what your husband did

  • and you defended was even worse.

  • Mr. Trump, you go first.

  • First of all, the stories have been largely debunked.

  • Those people, I don't know those people.

  • I have a feeling how they came

  • I believe it was her campaign that did it.

  • Just like if you look at what came out today on the clips

  • where I was wondering what happened with my rally in Chicago.

  • And other rallies where we had such violence.

  • She's the one in Obama that caused the violence.

  • They hired people. They payed them fifteen hundred dollars

  • and they're on tape saying be violent, cause fight do bad things.

  • I would say the only way -

  • because those stories are all totally false I have to say that.

  • And I didn't even apologize to my wife who is sitting right here

  • because I didn't do anything.

  • I didn't know any of these women, I didn't see these women.

  • These women, the woman on the plane, the woman...

  • I think they want either fame

  • or her campaign did it

  • and I think it's her campaign.

  • Because what I saw what they did, which is a criminal act by the way,

  • where they're telling people to go out and start fistfights and start violence

  • and I'll tell you what. In particular in Chicago,

  • people were hurt and people could have been killed in that riot.

  • And that was now, all on tape, started by her.

  • I believe Chris that she got these people to step forward.

  • If it wasn't, they get there ten minutes of fame.

  • But they were all totally... it was all fiction.

  • It was lies and it was fiction.

  • - Well... - Secretary Clinton.

  • Well, at the last debate

  • we heard Donald talking about what he did to women.

  • And after that, a number of women have come forward

  • saying that's exactly what he did to them.

  • Now what was his response?

  • Well, he held a number of big rallies

  • where he said that he could not possibly have done those things to those women

  • because they were not attractive enough

  • - for them to be assaulted. - I did not say that. I did not say that.

  • In fact he went on to say...

  • Her two-minutes, sir, are her two minutes.

  • - I did not say that. - It's her two minutes.

  • He went on to say, "Look at her. I don't think so."

  • About another woman, he said that wouldn't be my first choice.

  • He attacked the woman reporter writing the story,

  • called her disgusting

  • as he has called a number of women during this campaign.

  • Donald thinks belittling women makes him bigger.

  • He goes after their dignity, their self-worth,

  • and I don't think there is a woman anywhere who doesn't know what that feels like.

  • So we now know what Donald thinks and what he says

  • and how he acts toward women.

  • That's who Donald is.

  • I think it's really up to all of us to demonstrate who we are

  • and who our country is,

  • and to stand up and be very clear about what we expect from our next president,

  • how we want to bring our country together,

  • where we don't want to have the kind of pitting of people one against the other

  • where instead we celebrate our diversity, we lift people up,

  • and we make our country even greater.

  • America is great because America is good.

  • And it really is up to all of us to make that true now and in the future

  • and particularly for our children and our grandchildren.

  • Mr. Trump?

  • Nobody has more respect for women that I do, nobody.

  • - Nobody has more. - Please everybody.

  • And frankly, those stories have been largely debunked

  • and I really want to just talk about something slightly different.

  • She mentions this which is all fiction... all fictionalized -

  • probably or possibly started by her and her very sleazy campaign

  • but I will tell you

  • what isn't fictionalized are her e-mails

  • where she destroyed thirty three thousand e-mails criminally criminally

  • after getting a subpoena from the United States Congress.

  • What happened to the FBI, I don't know.

  • We have a great general four-star general today

  • you read it in all the papers,

  • going to potentially serve five years in jail

  • for lying to the FBI, one lie.

  • Shes lied hundreds of times to the people, to Congress,

  • and to the FBI.

  • He's going to probably go to jail.

  • This is a four-star general

  • and she gem away with it

  • and she can run for the presidency of the United States.

  • That's really what you should be talking about.

  • Not fiction, where somebody wants fame

  • or where they come out of her crooked campaign.

  • Secretary Clinton.

  • Well, every time Donald is pushed on something

  • which is obviously uncomfortable

  • like with these women are saying,

  • he immediately goes to denying responsibility

  • and it's not just about women.

  • He never apologizes or says he's sorry for anything.

  • So we know what he has said

  • and what he's done to women.

  • But he also went after a disabled reporter,

  • - mocked and mimicked him - Wrong.

  • On national television.

  • He went after Mr. and Mrs. Khan,

  • the parents of a young man who died sewing our country,

  • a Gold Star family, because of their religion.

  • He went after John McCain, a prisoner of war

  • said he prefers people who aren't captured.

  • He went after a federal judge, born in Indiana,

  • but who Donald said couldn't be trusted

  • to try the fraud and racketeering case

  • against Trump University

  • because his parents were Mexican.

  • So it's not one thing. This is a pattern,

  • a pattern of divisiveness

  • of a very dark and in many ways dangerous vision of our country

  • where he incites violence,

  • where he applauds people who are pushing and pulling and punching at his rallies.

  • That is not who America is

  • and I hope that as we move in the last weeks of this campaign,

  • more and more people will understand what's at stake in this election.

  • It really does come down to a kind of country we are going to have.

  • So sad when she talks about violence at my rallies

  • and she caused the violence. It's on tape.

  • - During the last -- - The other things are false

  • but honestly I'd love to talk about getting rid of ISIS

  • - and I'd love to talk about other things. - OK.

  • But those other charges as she knows are false.

  • I'd love to talk about getting rid of ISIS

  • - and I'd love to talk about other things. - OK.

  • But those other charges as she knows are false.

  • And this bucket about fitness to be president

  • there's been a lot of development over

  • the last ten days since the last debate.

  • I'd like to ask you about them

  • these are questions that the American people have.

  • Secretary Clinton, during your 2009 Senate confirmation hearing,

  • you promised to avoid even the appearance of a conflict of interest

  • with your dealing with the Clinton Foundation

  • while you were Secretary of State.

  • But emails show that donors

  • got special access to you,

  • those seeking grants for Haiti relief

  • were considered separately from non-donors,

  • and some of those donors got contracts - government contracts,

  • taxpayer money.

  • Can you really say that you kept your pledge

  • to that Senate committee

  • and why isn't what happened and what went on between you and the Clinton foundation,

  • why isn't it what Mr. Trump

  • cans "pay to 'flay-y?

  • Well, everything I did as Secretary of State...

  • was in furtherance of our country's interests and our values.

  • The state department had said that. I think that's been proven.

  • But I am happy. In fact, I am thrilled to talk about the Clinton Foundation

  • because it's a world-renowned charity,

  • and I'm so proud of the work that it does.

  • You know, I could talk for the rest of the debate.

  • I know I don't have the time to do that. But just briefly,

  • the Clinton Foundation made it possible for 11 million people around the world...

  • with HIV/AIDS to afford treatment...

  • and that's about half of all the people in the world who are getting treatment.

  • In partnership with the American Health Association,

  • we have made environments in schools healthier for kids -

  • including healthier lunches.

  • Secretary, respectfully, this is an open discussion.

  • - Well, it is an open discussion. - I understand. I asked a specific question,

  • was it pay for a play, do you want to talk about that?

  • - But there is no-- - Well, I think--

  • - But there is no evidence--But there is-- - I think that it's been very well-studied.

  • There is a lot of evidence about the very good work...

  • And it's a criminal enterprise, and so many people know it.

  • It's a criminal enterprise.

  • Saudi Arabia giving 25 million dollars.

  • Qatar, all of these countries.

  • You talk about women and women's rights.

  • So these are people that push gays off business, off buildings.

  • These are people that kill women and treat women horribly,

  • and yet you take their money.

  • So I'd like to ask you right now,

  • why don't you give back the money that you've taken from certain countries...

  • that treat certain groups of people so horribly?

  • Why don't you give back the money? I think it would be a great gesture.

  • Because she takes a tremendous amount of money.

  • And you take a look at the people of Haiti.

  • I was in Little Haiti the other day in Florida.

  • And I want to tell you, they hate the Clintons...

  • because what's happened in Haiti with the Clinton Foundation is a disgrace.

  • And you know it and they know it and everybody knows it.

  • - Secretary Clinton? - Well, very quickly,

  • we at the Clinton Foundation spend 90 percent, 90 percent,

  • of all the money that is donated

  • on behalf of programmes of people around the world and in our own country.

  • I'm very proud of that.

  • We have the highest rating from the watchdogs that follow foundations.

  • And I'd be happy to compare what we do with the Trump Foundation,

  • which took money from other people and bought a six-foot portrait of Donald.

  • I mean, who does that? It just was astonishing.

  • But when it comes to Haiti, Haiti is the poorest country in our hemisphere.

  • The earthquake and the hurricanes, it has devastated Haiti.

  • Bill and I have been involved in trying to help Haiti for many years.

  • The Clinton Foundation raised 30 million dollars to help Haiti

  • after the catastrophic earthquake and all of the terrible problems the people there had.

  • We've done things to help small businesses, agriculture, and so much else.

  • And we're going to keep working to help Haiti because

  • it's an important part of the American experience.

  • They don't want you to help them anymore.

  • I'd like to mention one thing.

  • Trump Foundation, small foundation.

  • People contribute. I contribute.

  • The money goes-- a hundred percent, hundred percent

  • goes to different charities, including a lot of military.

  • I don't get anything. I don't buy boat. I don't buy planes.

  • What happens, the money goes in--

  • Wasn't some of the money used to settle your lawsuit, sir?

  • No, we put up the American flag.

  • And that's it. They put up the American flag.

  • We fought for the right in Palm Beach to put up the American flag.

  • There was a penalty that was imposed by Palm Beach County.

  • - And the money came from your foundation... - There was-- There was.

  • And by the way, the money-- The money went to Fisher House where they build houses.

  • The money that you're talking about went to Fisher House

  • where they build houses for veterans and disabled families.

  • I wanna get in to one last--

  • But of course there's no way we can know whether any of that is true

  • because he hasn't release his tax returns.

  • He is the first candidate ever to run for President in the last 40 plus years

  • who has not released his tax returns.

  • So everything he says about charity or anything else,

  • we can't prove it.

  • You can look at our tax returns, we've got them all out there.

  • But what is really troubling is that we learned in the last debate,

  • he has not paid a penny in federal income tax.

  • And we were talking about immigrants a few minutes ago, Chris.

  • You know, half of all immigrants, undocumented immigrants in our country,

  • actually pay federal income tax.

  • So we have undocumented immigrants in America

  • who are paying more federal income tax than a billionaire.

  • - I find that just astonishing. - So let me just tell you very simply.

  • We're entitled...

  • because of the laws that people like her passed...

  • to take massive amount of depreciation and other charges,

  • and we do it.

  • And all of her donors, just about all of them,

  • I know Buffett took hundreds of millions of dollars,

  • Soros, George Soros, took hundreds of millions of dollars.

  • - Let me just explain. All of her donors-- - But no, we've heard this.

  • - Most of her donors-- - Mr. Trump--

  • - have done the same thing as I do. - We-- Okay.

  • - And you know what you should have done? - Folks, we've heard this.

  • And, you know, Hillary, what you should have done,

  • you should have changed the law when you were a United States Senator

  • - if you don't like it. - Folks, we heard this.

  • Because your donors and your special interests

  • are doing the same thing as I do, except even more so.

  • You should've changed the law but you won't change the law

  • because you've taken so much money.

  • I mean, I sat in my apartment today

  • on a very beautiful hotel down the street known as--

  • - Made with Chinese steel. - But I will tell you, I sat there--

  • I sat there watching ad after ad after ad, false ad,

  • all paid for by your friends on Wall Street...

  • that gave so much money because they know you're gonna protect them.

  • And frankly, you should have changed the laws.

  • If you don't like what I did, you should have changed the laws.

  • Mr. Trump, I want to ask you about one last question in this topic.

  • You have been warning at rallies recently that this election is rigged

  • and that Hillary Clinton is in the process of trying to steal it from you.

  • Your running mate Governor Pence pledged on Sunday...

  • that he and you, his words,

  • "Will absolutely accept the result of this election."

  • Today, your daughter Ivanka said the same thing.

  • I want to ask you here on this stage tonight,

  • do you make the same commitment that you will absolutely, sir,

  • that you will absolutely accept the result of this election?

  • I will look at it at the time.

  • I'm not looking at anything now. I will look at it at the time.

  • What I've seen-- What I've seen is so bad.

  • First of all, the media is so dishonest and so corrupt.

  • And the pile-on is so amazing.

  • The New York Times actually wrote an article about it that they don't even care.

  • It's so dishonest. And they have poisoned the minds of the voters.

  • But unfortunately for them,

  • I think the voters are seeing through it.

  • I think they're going to see through it. We'll find out on November 8th.

  • But I think they're gonna see through it.

  • - But, sir-- - If you look-- Excuse me, Chris,

  • if you look at your voter rolls,

  • you will see millions of people that are registered to vote,

  • millions, this isn't coming from me,

  • this is coming from Pew report and other places.

  • Millions of people that are registered to vote that shouldn't be registered to vote.

  • So let me just give you one other thing,

  • so I talk about the corrupt media, I talk about the millions of people,

  • I tell you one other thing.

  • She shouldn't be allowed to run. It's--

  • She's guilty of a very, very serious crime.

  • She should not be allowed to run.

  • And just in that respect, I say it's rigged

  • because she should never--

  • Chris, she should never have been allowed to run for the presidency

  • based on what she did with e-mails and so many other things.

  • But, sir, there is a tradition in this country,

  • in fact, one of the prides of this country

  • is the peaceful transition of power

  • and that no matter how hard-fought a campaign is,

  • that at the end of the campaign,

  • that the loser concedes to the winner.

  • Not saying that you're necessarily going to be the loser or the winner,

  • but that the loser concedes to the winner.

  • And that the country comes together, in part for the good of the country.

  • Are you saying you're not prepared now to commit to that principle?

  • What I'm saying is that I will tell you at the time.

  • I'll keep you in suspense, okay?

  • Well, Chris, let me respond to that because that's horrifying.

  • You know, every time Donald thinks things are not going in his direction,

  • he claims whatever it is, is rigged against him.

  • The FBI conducted a year-long investigation into my e-mails.

  • They concluded there was no case. He said the FBI was rigged.

  • He lost the Iowa caucus,

  • he lost the Wisconsin primary,

  • he said the Republican primary was rigged against him.

  • Then Trump University gets sued for fraud and racketeering.

  • He claims the court system and the federal judge is rigged against him.

  • There was even a time when he didn't get an Emmy for his TV programme 3 years in a row,

  • and he started Meeting that the Emmys were rigged against him.

  • Should have gotten it.

  • This is a mind-set. This is how Donald thinks.

  • And it's funny, but it's also really troubling.

  • Okay.

  • No, that is not the way our democracy works.

  • We've been around for 240 years.

  • We've had free and fair elections.

  • We've accepted the outcomes when we may not have liked them.

  • And that is what must be expected of anyone standing on a debate stage

  • during a general election.

  • You know, President Obama said the other day when you're whining

  • - before the game is even finished, - Hold on, folks. Hold on, folks.

  • It just shows you're not up to doing the job.

  • And let's, you know, let's be clear about what he is saying and what that means.

  • He is denigrating, he is talking down our democracy.

  • And I for one am appalled

  • that somebody who is the nominee of one of our two major parties

  • would take that kind of position.

  • I think what the FBI did and what the Department of Justice did,

  • including meeting with her husband, the attorney general,

  • in the back of an airplane on the tarmac in Arizona,

  • I think it's disgraceful. I think it's a disgrace.

  • - All right. - I think we've never had a situation...

  • - So bad in this country. - Hold on, folks. This--

  • I think it's disgraceful. I think it's a disgrace.

  • - All right. - I think we've never had a situation...

  • - so bad in this country. - Hold on, folks. This--

  • This doesn't do any good for anyone.

  • Let's please continue the debate

  • and let's move on to the subject of foreign hot spots.

  • The Iraqi offensive to take back Mosul has begun.

  • If they are successful in pushing ISIS out of that city and out of all of Iraq,

  • the question then becomes, what happens the day after?

  • And that's something that whichever of you ends up--

  • Whoever of you ends up as president is going to have to confront.

  • Will you put U.S. troops into that vacuum

  • to make sure that ISIS doesn't come back

  • or isn't replaced by something even worse?

  • Secretary Clinton, you go first in this segment.

  • You have two minutes.

  • Well, I am encouraged that

  • there is an effort led by the Iraqi army,

  • supported by Kurdish forces,

  • and also given the help and advice from the number of special forces

  • and other Americans on the ground.

  • But I will not support putting American soldiers

  • into Iraq as an occupying force.

  • I don't think that is in our interest

  • and I don't think that would be smart to do.

  • In fact, Chris, I think that would be a big red flag

  • waving for ISIS to reconstitute itself.

  • The goal here is to take back Mosul.

  • It's gonna be a hard fight. I've got no illusions about that.

  • And then continue to press into Syria

  • to begin to take back and move on Raqqah

  • which is the ISIS headquarters.

  • I am hopeful that the hard work that American military advisers have done

  • will pay off.

  • And that we will see a really successful military operation.

  • But we know we've got lots of work to do.

  • Syria will remain a hot bed of terrorism

  • as long as the civil war aided and abetted by the Iranians

  • and the Russians continue.

  • So I have said, look, we need to keep our eye on ISIS.

  • That's why I wanna have an intelligent surge

  • that protects us here at home,

  • why we have to go after them from the air, on the ground, online,

  • why we have to make sure here at home

  • we don't let terrorist buy weapons

  • if you're too dangerous to fly,

  • you're too dangerous to buy a gun.

  • And I'm going to continue to push for a no fly zone

  • and safe havens within Syria,

  • not only to help protect the Syrians

  • and prevent the constant outflow of refugees

  • but to frankly gain some leverage

  • on both the Syrian government and the Russians,

  • so that perhaps we can have the kind of serious negotiation

  • necessary to bring the conflict to an end

  • and go forward on a political track.

  • Mr. Trump same question,

  • if we are able to push ISIS

  • out of Mosul and out of Iraq,

  • will, would you be willing to put U.S. Troops in there

  • to prevent their return or something else.

  • Let me tell you, oh, so, so sad. We had muscle.

  • But when she left, when she took everybody out, we lost Mosul.

  • Now we're fighting again to get Mosul.

  • The problem with Mosul and what they wanted to do

  • is they wanted to get the leaders of ISIS

  • who they felt were in Mosul.

  • About three months ago, I started reading that

  • they want to get the leaders.

  • And they're going to attack Mosul.

  • Whatever happened to the element of surprise? Okay?

  • We announced we're going after Mosul.

  • I've been reading about going after Mosul now for about how long is it, Hillary?

  • Three months?

  • These people have all left. They've all left.

  • The element of surprise.

  • Douglas MacArthur, George Patton spinning in their graves

  • when they see the stupidity of our country.

  • So we're now fighting for Mosul that we had.

  • All she had to do is stay there.

  • Now we're going in to get it.

  • But you know who the big winner in Mosul

  • is gonna be after we eventually get it?

  • And the only reason they did it

  • is because she is running for the office of president,

  • and they want to look tough. They want to look good.

  • He violated the red line in the sand.

  • And he made so many mistakes. Made all mistakes.

  • That's why we have the great migration.

  • But she wanted to look good for the election.

  • So they're going in

  • but who's gonna get Mosul, really.

  • We'll take Mosul eventually.

  • By the way, if you look what's happening, much tougher than they thought.

  • Much, much tougher, much more dangerous,

  • gonna be more deaths than they thought.

  • But the leaders that we wanted to get are all gone because they're smart.

  • They said what do we need this for?

  • So Mosul is going to be a wonderful thing,

  • and Iran should write us a letter of thank you,

  • just like the really stupid, the stupidest deal of all time.

  • A deal that is going to give Iran, absolutely, nuclear weapons.

  • Iran should write us yet another letter saying thank you very much.

  • Because Iran, as I said many years ago,

  • Iran is taking over Iraq.

  • Something they've wanted to do forever

  • but we've made it so easy for them.

  • So we're now gonna take Mosul.

  • And you know who is gonna be the beneficiary? Iran.

  • Boy are they making-- I mean, they are outsmarting.

  • I, look, you're not there. You might be involved in that decision.

  • But you were there when you took everybody

  • out of Mosul and out of Iraq.

  • You shouldn't have been in Iraq.

  • But you did vote for it.

  • You shouldn't have been in Iraq.

  • But once you were in Iraq, you should have never left the way.

  • - The point is, the big winner - Your two minutes are up.

  • Is going to be Iran.

  • Well you know, once again Donald is implying

  • that he didn't support the invasion of Iraq.

  • I said it was a mistake. I said that years ago.

  • He has consistently denied

  • - what is a very clear fact - Wrong.

  • - That before the invasion he supported it. - Wrong.

  • And you know, I just want everybody to go Google it.

  • Google "Donald Trump Iraq"

  • and you will see the dozens of sources which verify that

  • - he was for the invasion of Iraq. - Wrong.

  • And you can actually hear the audio of him saying that.

  • Now, why does that matter?

  • Well, it matters because he has not told the truth about that position.

  • I guess he believes it makes him look better now to contrast with me

  • because I did vote for it.

  • But whats really important here is to understand all the interplay.

  • Mosul is a Sunni city.

  • Mosul is on the border of Syria.

  • And yes, we do need to go after Baghdadi

  • and just like we went after bin Laden

  • while you were doing Celebrity Apprentice

  • and we brought him to justice.

  • We need to go after the leadership,

  • but we need to get rid of them, get rid of their fighters,

  • their estimated several thousand fighters in Mosul.

  • They've been digging underground, they've been prepared to defend.

  • It's gonna be tough fighting.

  • But I think we can take back Mosul

  • and then we can move on into Syria, and take back Raqqa.

  • This is what we have to do.

  • I'm just amazed that he seems to think that

  • the Iraqi government and our allies,

  • and everybody else launched the attack on Mosul

  • to help me in this election,

  • but that's how Donald thinks, you know.

  • He always--He's looking for some conspiracy.

  • Chris, we don't gain anything.

  • Iran is taking over Iraq.

  • - Secretary Clinton-- - Iran is taking over Iraq.

  • - We don't gain anything. - Secretary Clinton--

  • We would have gained if they did it by surprise.

  • Wait, wait, wait, wait.

  • Secretary Clinton, it's an open discussion, but, Secretary--

  • We would have gained if they did it by surprise.

  • Secretary, please let Mr. Trump speak.

  • He's unfit. And he proves it every time he talks.

  • No. You are the one that's unfit.

  • You know, WikiLeaks just actually came out,

  • John Podesta said some horrible things about you.

  • And boy, was he right. He said some beauties.

  • And, you know, Bernie Sanders, he said you have bad judgment. You do.

  • And if you think that going into Mosul after we let the world know we're going in,

  • and all of the people that we really wanted, the leaders, they're all gone.

  • If you think that was good, then you do.

  • Now, John Podesta said you have terrible instincts.

  • Bernie Sanders said you have bad judgment.

  • I agree with both.

  • Well, you should ask Bernie Sanders who he is supporting for president.

  • - And he has said-- - Which is a big mistake.

  • As he has campaigned for me around the country,

  • you are the most dangerous person to run for president

  • in the modern history of America.

  • I think he is right.

  • Let's turn to Aleppo.

  • Mr. Trump, in the last debate,

  • you were both asked about the situation in the Syrian city of Aleppo.

  • And I wanna follow up on that

  • because you said several things in that debate which were not true, sir.

  • You said that Aleppo has basically fallen.

  • - In fact, there-- In fact-- - It's a catastrophe. I mean, it's a mess.

  • - It is a catastrophe but there are-- - Have you seen it? Have you seen it?

  • Have you seen what's happened to Aleppo?

  • Sir, if I may finish my question?

  • Okay, so it hasn't fallen, take a look at it.

  • Well, there are quarter of a million people still living there and being slaughtered.

  • - That's right. - You also said--

  • - And they are being slaughtered... - Yes. because of bad decisions.

  • If I may just finish here. And you also said that ISIS--

  • That Syria and Russia are busy fighting ISIS.

  • In fact, they have been the ones

  • who've been bombing and shelling eastern Aleppo

  • and they just announced a humanitarian pause

  • in effect admitting that they have been bombing and shelling a lot.

  • But would like to clear that up, sir?

  • Well, Aleppo was a disaster.

  • It's a humanitarian nightmare but it has fallen from the stand--

  • From any stand point, I mean,

  • what do you need? A signed document?

  • Take a look at Aleppo. It is so sad, when you see what's happened.

  • And a lot of this is because of Hillary Clinton.

  • Because what's happened is, by fighting a Assad,

  • who turned out to be a lot tougher than she thought,

  • and now she's going to say, "Oh, he loves Assad."

  • He's just much tougher and much smarter than her and Obama.

  • And everyone thought he was gone two years ago, three years ago.

  • He aligned-- He aligned with Russia.

  • He now also aligned with Iran,

  • who we made very powerful.

  • We gave them a hundred and fifty billion dollars back,

  • we give them 1.7 billion in cash!

  • I mean, cash, bundles of cash, as big as this stage.

  • We gave them 1.7 billion dollars.

  • Now, they have aligned, he has aligned with Russia and with Iran.

  • They don't want ISIS

  • but they have other things

  • because we're backing, we're backing rebels.

  • We don't know who the rebels are.

  • We're giving them lots of money, lots of everything.

  • We don't know who the rebels are.

  • And when and if, and it's not going to happen

  • because you have Russia and you have Iran now,

  • but if they ever did overthrow Assad,

  • you might end up as bad as Assad is,

  • and he is a bad guy.

  • But you may very well end up with worse than Assad.

  • If she did nothing, we'd be in much better shape.

  • And this is what has caused the great migration

  • where she has taken in tens of thousands of Syrian refugees

  • who probably, in many case, not probably, who are definitely

  • in many oases ISIS aligned.

  • And we now have them in our country

  • and wait until you see, this is going to be the great Trojan horse,

  • and wait until you see what happens in the coming years.

  • Lots of luck, Hillary.

  • Thanks a lot for doing a great job.

  • Secretary Clinton, you have talked about, and in the last debate and again today,

  • that you would impose a no-fly zone

  • to try to protect the people of Aleppo

  • and to stop the killing there.

  • President Obama has refused to that

  • because he fears it's gonna draw us closer or deeper into the conflict.

  • And General Joseph Dunford,

  • the chairman of joint chiefs of staffs says,

  • you want to impose a no-fly zone,

  • chances are you're gonna get it into a war,

  • his words, with Syria and Russia.

  • So the question I have is if you impose a no-fly zone,

  • first of all, how do you respond to their concerns?

  • Secondly, if you impose a no-fly zone

  • and a Russian plane violates that,

  • does President Clinton shoot that plane down?

  • Well, Chris first of all,

  • I think a no-fly zone could save lives

  • and could hasten the end of the conflict.

  • I am well aware of the really legitimate concerns that you have expressed

  • from both the President and the General.

  • This would not be done just on the first day.

  • This would take a lot of negotiation.

  • And it would also take making it clear to the Russians and the Syrians

  • that our purpose here was to provide safe zones on the ground.

  • We've had millions of people leave Syria

  • and those millions of people inside Syria

  • who've been dislocated.

  • So I think we could strike a deal

  • and make it very clear to the Russians and the Syrians

  • that this was something that we believe

  • was in the best interest of the people on the ground in Syria.

  • It would help us with our fight against ISIS

  • But I wanna respond to what Donald said about refugees.

  • He's made these claims repeatedly.

  • I am not going to let anyone into this country who is not vetted,

  • who we do not have confidence in,

  • but I am not gonna slam the door on women and children.

  • That picture of that little 4-year-old boy in Aleppo

  • with the blood coming down his face

  • while he sat in ambulance is haunting.

  • And so we are going to do very careful, thorough vetting.

  • That does not solve our internal challenges with ISIS,

  • and our need to stop radicalisation.

  • To work with American-Muslim communities

  • who are on the front lines to identify and prevent attacks.

  • In fact, the killer of the...

  • dozens of people at the night club in Orlando,

  • the Pulse Nightclub,

  • was born in Queens,

  • the same place Donald was born.

  • So let's be clear about what the threat is

  • and how we are best going to be able to meet it.

  • And yes, some of that threat emanates from over in Syria and Iraq,

  • and we've gotta keep fighting and I will defeat ISIS.

  • And some of it is we have to up our game

  • and be much smarter here at home.

  • And yes, some of that threat emanates from over in Syria and Iraq,

  • and we've gotta keep fighting and I will defeat ISIS.

  • And some of it is we have to up our game

  • and be much smarter here at home.

  • Folks, I wanna get into our final segment.

  • But I just I have to-- It's so ridiculous watching-

  • She will defeat ISIS.

  • We should have never let ISIS happen in the first place.

  • And right now, they're in 32 countries.

  • - We should have nev-- - Okay.

  • Wait, one second. They had a ceasefire three weeks ago.

  • A ceasefire, United States, Russia, Syria.

  • And during the ceasefire,

  • Russia took over vast swatches of land

  • and then they said, "We don't want the ceasefire anymore."

  • We are so outplayed on missiles, on ceasefires.

  • They are outplayed. There-

  • She wasn't there, I assume she had nothing to do with it.

  • But our country is so outplayed - by Putin and Assad...

  • and by the way, and by Iran.

  • Nobody can believe how stupid our leadership is.

  • Mr. Trump... Well-- Secretary Clinton, no.

  • We need to move on to our final segment,

  • and that is the national debt,

  • which has not been discussed until tonight.

  • Our national debt is a share of the economy

  • Our GDP is now 77 per cent.

  • That's the highest since just after World War II.

  • But the nonpartisan Committee for

  • a Responsible Federal Budget says,

  • "Secretary Clinton, under your plan,

  • debt would rise to 86 per cent of GDP over the next 10 years."

  • Mr. Trump, under your plan,

  • they say it would rise to a hundred and five per cent of GDP

  • over the next 10 years.

  • Question is, why are both of you ignoring this problem?

  • Mr. Trump, you go first.

  • Well, I say they're wrong

  • because I'm gonna create tremendous jobs.

  • And we're bringing GDP from really,

  • 1 per cent, which is what it is now.

  • And if she got in, it would be less than zero.

  • But we're bringing it from 1 per cent up to 4 per cent.

  • And I actually think we can go higher than 4 percent.

  • I think you can go to 5 or 6 per cent.

  • And if we do,

  • you don't have to bother asking your question.

  • Because we have a tremendous machine.

  • We will have created a tremendous economic machine once again.

  • To do that we're taking back jobs,

  • we're not gonna let our companies be raided by other countries

  • where we lose all our jobs,

  • we don't make our product anymore.

  • It's very sad.

  • But I'm gonna create a-

  • The kind of a country that we were from the standpoint of industry.

  • We used to be there. We've given it up.

  • We've become very, very sloppy.

  • We've had people that are political hacks

  • making the biggest deals in the world-

  • Bigger than companies, you take these big companies,

  • these trade deals are far bigger than these companies.

  • And yet we don't use our great leaders,

  • Many of whom back me

  • and many of whom back Hillary I must say.

  • But we don't use those people, those are the people-

  • These are the greatest negotiators in the world-

  • We have the greatest business people in the world.

  • We have to use them to negotiate our trade deals.

  • We use political hacks.

  • We use people that get the position because they gave-

  • They made a campaign contribution.

  • And they're dealing with China

  • and people that are very much smarter than they are.

  • So we have to use our great people.

  • But, with that being said,

  • we will create an economic machine

  • the likes of which we haven't seen in many decades.

  • And people, Chris, will again go back to work

  • and they'll make a lot of money

  • and we'll have companies that will grow and expand

  • and start from new.

  • Secretary Clinton.

  • Well, first, when I hear Donald talk like that

  • and know that his slogan is "Make America Great Again"

  • I wonder when he thought America was great.

  • And before he rushes and says,

  • "You know, before you and President Obama were there."

  • I think it's important to recognise that

  • he has been criticising our government for decades.

  • You know back in 1987,

  • he took out a 100,000 dollar ad in the New York Times

  • during the time when President Reagan was president

  • and basically said exactly what he just said now.

  • That we were the laughing stock of the world.

  • He was criticising President Reagan.

  • This is the way Donald thinks about himself.

  • Puts himself into, you know, the middle and says,

  • you know, "I alone can fix it,"

  • as he said on the convention stage.

  • But if you look at the debt which is the issue you asked about, Chris,

  • I pay for everything I'm proposing.

  • I do not add a penny to the national debt.

  • I take that very seriously

  • because I do think it's one of the issues we've got to come to grips with.

  • So when I talk about how we're gonna pay for education,

  • how we're gonna invest in infrastructure,

  • how we're gonna get the cost of prescription drugs down

  • and a lot of the other issues that people talk to me about all the time,

  • I've made it very clear.

  • We are going where the money is.

  • We are going to ask the wealthy

  • and corporations to pay their fair share.

  • And there is no evidence whatsoever

  • that that will slow down or diminish our growth.

  • In fact, I think just the opposite.

  • We'll have what economists call middle-out growth.

  • We've gotta get back to rebuilding the middle class,

  • the families of America.

  • That's where growth will come from.

  • That's why I wanna invest in you.

  • I wanna invest in your family.

  • And I think that's the smartest way to grow the economy,

  • to make the economy fairer.

  • And we just have a big disagreement about this.

  • It may be because of our experiences, you know.

  • He started off with his dad as a millionaire

  • I started off -

  • We've heard this before, Hillary.

  • I started off with my dad as a small businessman.

  • We've heard this before.

  • And I think it's, you know, it's a difference

  • that affect how we see the world

  • and what we wanna do with the economy.

  • Time.

  • Thank you, Hillary.

  • Could I just respond?

  • Well, no. Because we're running out of time.

  • Because I did disagree with Ronald Reagan very strongly on trade.

  • I disagreed with him.

  • We should have been much tougher on trade even then.

  • I've been waiting for years.

  • Nobody does it right.

  • And frankly now we're gonna do it right.

  • All right. I-- The one last area I wanna get into with you in this debate--

  • is the fact that the biggest driver of our debt is entitlements,

  • which is 60 percent of all federal spending.

  • Now, the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget

  • has looked at both of your plans

  • and they say neither of you has a serious plan that is gonna solve the fact that

  • Medicare is gonna run out of money in the 2020s.

  • Social Security is gonna run out of money in the 2030s.

  • And, at that time,

  • recipients are gonna take huge cuts in their benefits.

  • So in effect, the final question I want to ask you in this regard is,

  • and let me start with you, Mr. Trump.

  • Would President Trump make a deal to save Medicare and Social Security

  • that included both tax increases and benefit cuts,

  • in effect, a grand bargain on entitlements?

  • I'm cutting taxes. We're going to grow the economy.

  • It's going grow at a record rate.

  • But that's not gonna help on entitlements.

  • No, it's gonna totally help you.

  • And one thing we have to do, repeal and replace

  • the disaster known as Obamacare.

  • It's destroying our country.

  • It's destroying our businesses,

  • our small business and our big businesses.

  • We have to repeal and replace Obamacare.

  • You take a look at the kind of numbers that, that will cost us in the year '17.

  • It is a disaster.

  • If we don't repeal and replace.

  • Now, it's probably going to die of its own weight.

  • But Obamacare has to go.

  • It's-- the premiums are going up 60, 70, 80 percent.

  • Next year, they're going to go up over 100 percent.

  • And I'm really glad that the premiums have started,

  • at least the people see what's happening

  • because she wants to keep Obamacare,

  • and she wants to make it even worse.

  • And it can't get any worse.

  • Bad health care at the most expensive price.

  • We have to repeal and replace Obamacare.

  • And, Secretary Clinton, same question,

  • because at this point,

  • social security and Medicare are going to run out.

  • The trust funds are gonna run out of money.

  • Will you, as president, entertain...

  • Will you consider a grand bargain, a deal,

  • that includes both tax increases and benefit cuts

  • to try to save both programmes?

  • Well, Chris, I am on record as saying that

  • we need to put more money in the Social Security trust fund.

  • That's part of my commitment to raise taxes on the wealthy.

  • My Social Security payroll contribution will go up,

  • as will Donald's,

  • assuming he can't figure out how to get out of it.

  • But what we wanna do is to replenish the Social Security trust fund...

  • Such a nasty woman.

  • ...by making sure that we have sufficient resources

  • and that will come from either raising the cap

  • and-or finding other ways to get more money into it.

  • I will not cut benefits.

  • I want to enhance benefits for low-income workers

  • and for women who have been disadvantaged by the current Social Security System.

  • But what Donald is proposing with these massive tax cuts

  • will result in a 20 trillion-dollar additional national debt,

  • that will have dire consequences for Social Security and Medicare.

  • And I'll say something about the Affordable Care Act,

  • which he wants to repeal.

  • The Affordable Care Act

  • extended the solvency of the Medicare trust fund.

  • So if he repeals it, our Medicare problem gets worse.

  • What we need to do is go after...

  • Your husband disagrees with you.

  • ...the long-term health care drivers.

  • We've got to get costs down, increase value,

  • emphasise wellness.

  • I have a plan for doing that

  • and I think that we will be able to get entitlement spending under control

  • but with more resources and smarter decisions.

  • This is the final time,

  • probably to both of your delight,

  • that you're gonna be on stage together in this campaign.

  • I would like to end it on a positive note,

  • that you had not agreed to closing statements.

  • But it seems to me in a funny way that might make it more interesting,

  • because you haven't prepared closing statements.

  • So I would like you each to take... And we're going to put a clock up,

  • a minute.

  • As the final question and the final debate

  • to tell the American people

  • why they should elect you to be the next president.

  • This is another new mini segment.

  • Secretary Clinton, it's your turn to go first.

  • Well, I would like to say to everyone watching tonight,

  • that I'm reaching out to all Americans,

  • Democrats, Republicans and Independents,

  • because we need everybody to help make our country

  • what it should be,

  • to grow the economy, to make it fairer,

  • to make it work for everyone.

  • We need your talents, your skills,

  • your commitment, your energy, your ambition.

  • You know, I've been privileged to see the presidency up close.

  • And I know the awesome responsibility of protecting our country,

  • and the incredible opportunity of working to try

  • to make life better for all of you.

  • I have made the cause of children and families, really, my life's work.

  • That's what my mission will be in the presidency.

  • I will stand up for families against powerful interests,

  • against corporations.

  • I will do everything that I can to make sure that you have good jobs

  • with rising incomes,

  • that your kids have good educations from pre-school through college.

  • I hope you will give me a chance

  • to serve as your president.

  • Secretary Clinton, thank you. Mr. Trump?

  • She is raising the money from the people she wants to control.

  • It doesn't work that way.

  • But when I started this campaign,

  • I started it very strongly. It's called "Make America Great Again."

  • We're going to make America great.

  • We have a depleted military.

  • It has to be helped. It has to be fixed.

  • We have the greatest people on Earth in our military.

  • We don't take care of our veterans.

  • We take care of illegal immigrants,

  • people that come in to the country illegally better than we take care of our vets.

  • That can't happen.

  • Our policemen and women are disrespected.

  • We need law and order, but we need justice too.

  • Our inner cities are a disaster.

  • You get shot walking to the store.

  • They have no education, they have no jobs.

  • I will do more for African-Americans and Latinos

  • than she can ever do in 10 lifetimes.

  • All she has done is talk to the African-Americans

  • and to the Latinos.

  • But they get the vote and then they come back.

  • They say, "We'll see you in four years."

  • We are going to make America strong again.

  • And we are going to make America great again,

  • and it has to start now.

  • We cannot take four more years of Barack Obama,

  • and that's what you get when you get her.

  • Thank you, both.

  • Secretary Clinton... Hold on just a moment, folks.

  • Secretary Clinton, Mr. Trump,

  • I want to thank you both for participating in all three of these debates

  • that brings to an end this year's debate

  • sponsored by the Commission on Presidential Debates.

  • We want to thank the University of Nevada, Las Vegas

  • and its students for having us.

  • Now, the decision is up to you.

  • Well, millions have already voted.

  • The election day, November 8th is just 20 days away.

  • One thing everyone here can agree on, we hope you will go vote.

  • It is one of the honours and obligations of living in this great country.

  • Thank you and good night.

Good evening.

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