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  • Welcome to the show.

  • Well, it's great to be here. Thank you so much for having me.

  • Can I... can I just say, of all the candidates

  • I've seen on the trail, you seem to be having the most fun.

  • Are you?

  • Well, it's a very low bar you've set, Trevor.

  • (laughter)

  • What does that even mean?

  • You are. You're, like, out there.

  • You've got, like, cool music.

  • You're, like, rapping at, like, campaign events.

  • It feels like Andrew Yang-- you're just, like...

  • You're having a good time

  • whilst you're putting out your policy proposals.

  • The only place where you didn't seem like you were having fun

  • was at the debates, where I think

  • you had two minutes and 53 seconds

  • of total time that you spoke.

  • Uh, what are you gonna do differently

  • in the next one to get more time?

  • You're gonna... you're gonna cough,

  • you're gonna, like, interject? Are you gonna...?

  • I'm assuming you weren't happy.

  • You know, I'm really happy to say, though,

  • that the debate in Detroit next week's

  • gonna be a very different story.

  • Uh, not only is the format really set up

  • -for us to succeed... -Right.

  • ...but we just got a poll, just now

  • that puts us on path to... the path to qualify

  • -for the debates in September, as well, so... -Right.

  • The debates-- it's a whole string.

  • And unlike a lot of the other candidates,

  • we're in a great position to be here the entire way.

  • So you're running a long-term race, you know.

  • You've come in as, um, somewhat of an outsider.

  • You know, you're an entrepreneur.

  • You come from Silicon Valley. That is your world.

  • And many of your policies have been aimed at

  • or from that direction.

  • One of the biggest ones being, you've been called, for some,

  • "The Doomsday Candidate," where you've said,

  • "Guys, if we don't do something with robots,

  • about robots and AI, then, it's over for human beings."

  • What-what do you mean when you say this to people?

  • Well, I looked at the numbers, I did the math

  • around what happened to many of the manufacturing workers

  • in the Midwest that, in my view, ended up electing Donald Trump.

  • -Yes. -And the trends that affected those communities

  • are now going to affect retail workers,

  • which is the number one job in the United States.

  • It's going to start hitting truck drivers

  • in the next number of years,

  • -and driving a truck is the most common job in 29 states. -Wow.

  • And one of the things that I say is like,

  • "Look, when you call a customer service line right now,

  • you get that operator."

  • In a few years, it's going to be an AI that sounds like this.

  • "Hey, how's it going, Trevor? What can I do for you?"

  • -That's creepy, but, yeah. -It's creepy... -(laughter)

  • Um, but what that's going to mean...

  • But you think it's gonna get that good.

  • You think it's gonna get to the point

  • where even human jobs are now completely done

  • by AI and robots.

  • -Certainly a lot of the business process jobs. -Yes.

  • There are two and half million Americans

  • -who, uh, do customer service for a living right now. -Mm-hmm.

  • And that job's days are numbered, unfortunately.

  • So, then, what do you... what do you think you do

  • in-in that circumstance? Do you put a tax on robots?

  • -Do you... do you protect the workers? -(laughter)

  • This is an honest proposal. It sounds funny.

  • Yeah. No, don't laugh. That's actually a very good idea.

  • No, it sounds funny, but... it's actually,

  • like, an honest proposal.

  • Like, what do you... what do you say

  • to American workers who go, "Hey, I don't have a job,

  • and-and I want to... I want to... I want to change this"?

  • That's exactly right.

  • Amazon right now is closing 30% of America's stores and malls

  • and paying zero in taxes.

  • So what we do is, we set up a mechanism

  • where the American people get our fair share

  • of every Amazon sale, every Google search,

  • every robot truck mile, and put a dividend

  • into Americans' hands of $1,000 a month.

  • The Freedom Dividend would help all Americans feel

  • like we're benefiting from all of the progress and innovation.

  • That's an interesting and-and, uh...

  • -(applause and cheering) -Yeah, you like that.

  • Yeah, a lot of people like that.

  • Because I mean, uh, it takes guts to come out and say,

  • "My plan is that we will give every single American

  • -$1,000 a month just for being here."

  • Yeah. It's like Monopoly, but instead of passing "Go,"

  • uh, it's the first of the month.

  • You just get... Yeah.

  • But now, but now, here's the thing

  • I don't know if you've played Monopoly--

  • -it always ends in tears. Um... -(laughter)

  • And that's what people are saying would happen

  • if you gave people univers... universal basic income.

  • You know, yes, the smaller countries have trialed it,

  • but they have found, for instance,

  • in some Scandinavian countries that then people

  • don't work enough or they don't want to work,

  • they lose ambition-- there-there is a negative effect to that.

  • How do you pay for it, and how do you ensure

  • that it doesn't mean people just don't contribute to society?

  • Well, when I've looked at all of the studies

  • as to what happened when people got money,

  • only two groups worked less: new mothers,

  • who spend more time with their children,

  • and teenagers, who spend more time in school

  • and graduate at higher levels.

  • I don't think anyone here has a problem

  • -with either of those. -(cheering, applause) -Wow.

  • And, then, how do you pay for it?

  • And the way you pay for it, again,

  • if you have a trillion dollar tech company like Amazon

  • paying zero in taxes, then of course you're gonna look around

  • and be like, "Where's the money going, where's the money going?"

  • But if you give the American people a slice

  • of every Amazon sale,

  • every, uh, A.I.-driven interaction...

  • -Yes. -Just a sliver.

  • Because the amount of value

  • that that technology's going to generate

  • can literally be measured in the hundreds of billions of dollars.

  • We have to put ourselves in position to benefit,

  • and then we can pay for a dividend

  • of a thousand dollars a month.

  • But how is this different to tax?

  • Because, I mean, isn't that what tax is supposed to be?

  • Everyone getting a sliver of what people make

  • so that the general society can rise up?

  • I mean, if they find a way to not pay what you're saying,

  • why would-- you know what I mean,

  • they don't pay now; why would they pay then?

  • Well, the great thing is,

  • I'm friendly with a lot of the technologists,

  • and they're not evil people.

  • If you say to them, "Hey, you automating away the jobs?"

  • and you're in private, they're like, "Oh, yeah, yeah,

  • -I'm doing that." -That sounds evil to me.

  • Well, they're not doing it deliberately-- it's just, like,

  • -a repercussion of their work. -Got it, got it, got it. Okay.

  • And then if you say to them, "Would you like

  • "to give up a slice so that America actually is in position

  • to sharing benefit," you know what they say to me?

  • They say, "No one's ever asked me that before."

  • So what we have to do is, we have to give them-- really,

  • in this case, actually, we're not gonna give them a choice,

  • -we're just gonna make it happen. But... -Right.

  • -(laughter) -But half of them are on board with it.

  • -Because they're parents, they're Americans, -Right.

  • many of them came from other parts of the country,

  • and so they understand what's happening

  • more than most other people do, in terms of the economic impact.

  • That's interesting that they've never been asked.

  • 'Cause I met Jeff Bezos, and I didn't think of just saying,

  • "Can I have some of your money?"

  • We don't think of these things.

  • Yeah, maybe you should have asked him.

  • We genuinely don't think of that.

  • Um, you are tackling this whole campaign

  • from a different point of view.

  • One of, uh, my favorite quotes that you said was, you said,

  • um, you are the complete opposite of Donald Trump,

  • -(whooping) -and the reason was...

  • -Because he... Thank you. -(cheering, applause)

  • Well, listen to the reason why.

  • Because the opposite of Donald Trump

  • is an Asian man who likes math.

  • -Yes. -(cheering, applause)

  • How do you think math helps you in-in campaigning?

  • Because it-- no-- because it feels like Americans

  • like more of the show, Americans like more of-of the celebrity,

  • as opposed to the numbers and the percentages.

  • Do you think you can break through

  • with just the math of what you're proposing?

  • What's fun is, MATH is now an acronym

  • that stands for Make America Think Harder.

  • -(whooping, applause) -And...

  • It's certainly not immigrants that are driving

  • -these economic problems. -Right.

  • It's the fact that our economy is now progressing to a point

  • where things have changed fundamentally.

  • And when I go around to people in Ohio, New Hampshire,

  • there's actually a huge appetite for this type of solution.

  • People say to me all the time, "You don't sound like

  • any politician I've ever heard before," and they love it.

  • They're not like, "Oh, get me a politician, fast."

  • What they say is, "You don't sound like any other politician,

  • and this is what we need."

  • So there is such a massive, uh...

  • market need-- I'm an entrepreneur,

  • and so you see there's a market need.

  • In this case, I saw that our politicians

  • were not going to address the elephant in the room,

  • so to speak, and so I decided to run for president.

  • -(whooping, cheering) -Well, it's going to be exciting

  • to see you at the next debate.

  • I hope you make it to the next one and the next one,

  • -'cause it's fun having you around. -Thank you.

  • Andrew Yang, everybody.

Welcome to the show.

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