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  • - Gentlemen, welcome to MTV.

  • Good to see you guys.

  • - Thank you. - What's up man?

  • - Chadwick, Michael, this is a hell of a movie.

  • Black Panther is the movie, as if people didn't know.

  • And not only is it a great movie,

  • it's having a moment.

  • It really is.

  • This feels like a cultural moment.

  • - Yeah you could say that again.

  • - [Josh] Right?

  • (laughing)

  • - What's it like to just be in the middle of

  • not only just all this love,

  • but you know,

  • the cover of Time magazine,

  • social media exploding every day,

  • there really is a sense out there

  • that this movie is gonna change things

  • in a way that most movies can't and don't nowadays.

  • - It's taken on a life of its own.

  • You know like, sometimes,

  • like even just looking at what people create,

  • from the movie, the inspirations from the movie,

  • their own fan art, posters.

  • You know, recreating our posters,

  • like it's little kids recreating our posters.

  • - The GoFundMes and stuff.

  • - Yeah the GoFundmes.

  • It's amazing to watch it

  • the movie-ment of it

  • is very very interesting.

  • I've never seen anything like it before in my life.

  • - So we're just kinda stepping back

  • and just watching it just evolve and continue to grow

  • as we get closer to the release date.

  • - Yeah because I mean,

  • you guys obviously have been part of very

  • successful films before,

  • but this has to feel different.

  • Safe to say?

  • - Yeah, it's just massive.

  • It's on a whole other level.

  • Obviously when you deal with Marvel

  • and the reach of that film globally,

  • and how much it means to so many different people,

  • 18 movies and this being the 19th one,

  • it definitely raises the bar

  • as far as other films that we've done so far.

  • As far as the scale is concerned.

  • - A lot of this begins and ends with

  • a filmmaker you know very well,

  • and obviously by now you know very well,

  • Ryan Coogler.

  • And I'm curious, like obviously a lot of discussion

  • probably before the making of the film

  • and during the making of the film

  • and now even into post, now,

  • about what you were trying to accomplish.

  • Was there discussion about like,

  • yes we want to make an entertaining film,

  • but this can be something more.

  • - Oh yeah. - This can mean something

  • to young black men and women out there.

  • - Yeah, yeah yeah.

  • The first conversation we had

  • I snuck into

  • the press junket that they were doing for Creed,

  • because nobody knew that he was considering

  • doing Panther at that time.

  • And we just tried to see if we

  • vibed, if we had the same idea about

  • what the Black Panther movie should be.

  • And that's pretty much all we talked about.

  • That this kind of potential

  • to actually

  • reach people in a different way.

  • And Ryan was very very particular about

  • the fact that he wanted to cast him,

  • and he wanted to see how would that combination work.

  • And the combination of us working together

  • is sort of what allows the debate and conflict of this movie

  • to unfold. - Yeah.

  • - Which we won't say too much about

  • - Yeah. - on here right now.

  • - No spoilers.

  • - But that was the conversation,

  • this movie is gonna be

  • a super hero movie,

  • it's gonna be about something,

  • because the Black Panther comic book

  • already is about something.

  • - Right. - But we have the opportunity

  • to put a particular stamp on it

  • - Yeah.

  • - If this conflict is able to happen.

  • - Yeah, I mean pretty much the same thing.

  • Kinda like when me and him jumped on the phone,

  • and you know but so many words of

  • if we do this thing right, it could be something

  • that could impact generations to come

  • and that's kinda the approach that we took on it.

  • And then when we actually start to screen it,

  • and people started giving feedback,

  • and their reactions to it,

  • it really starts to hit us that this is something

  • that could make a real cultural impact.

  • - Can we talk a little bit about,

  • at least hint a little bit about this relationship here?

  • Because the conflict between T'Challa and Killmonger

  • is, it's really a philosophical one, right?

  • Like they're coming from two different worlds.

  • We have Wakanda that's this kind of

  • secluded African nation that really hasn't been affected

  • by imperialism and slavery and all these kind of things

  • that have affected every other country on the planet.

  • And then we have Killmonger, that's,

  • it's from our world.

  • Like from Oakland, literally.

  • I don't think that's ruining too much, hopefully, right?

  • But talk to me a little bit. - No spoilers, man.

  • No spoilers.

  • (laughing)

  • - Nah you're good, you do your job.

  • - Here's my question, like what is the philosophical

  • debate between those two, without spoiling too much?

  • Is it something about coming from those two different worlds

  • and one being shut off from the rest of the world,

  • and one dealing with all the crap that

  • thousands of years of influence have?

  • - Well the, you know,

  • without spoiling.

  • (laughing)

  • (mumbling)

  • He leans out of here.

  • - Crop me out, crop me out.

  • (laughing)

  • - An African American

  • conflict with identity is that

  • you don't have, there's been a severing

  • of your past and your ancestry.

  • And so,

  • you can't name your

  • great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grands.

  • Whereas, I can.

  • And that connection that I have

  • to my past

  • also gives me a particular

  • interest in holding onto that past

  • and tells me how to deal with

  • the actual resources that we have.

  • He.

  • (laughing)

  • - Hmm.

  • - We can't spoil it.

  • (laughing)

  • - I'm not saying anything. - It's like this,

  • a character's past, no matter how deeply rooted,

  • or surface it may be,

  • it directly impacts that character's agenda.

  • T'Challa having a deep history

  • and a knowledge of self.

  • He was raised a certain type of way,

  • he has a certain stature, obviously royalty.

  • Killmonger didn't have that.

  • So you're gonna see what

  • what that could create. - Differences, yes.

  • - What that difference is and what that could create.

  • And it's a conversation because I think both sides,

  • both have valid points.

  • It just depends on where you stand,

  • and kind of where you're coming from.

  • - And you never see. - You did it,

  • you're still hired

  • don't worry, not becoming fired, you're good.

  • - You've never seen that,

  • that African, African American debate.

  • - Yeah.