Subtitles section Play video Print subtitles Lisa Haven: Hi everybody this is Lisa Haven and I have an interesting topic for you! And that is, what happens when you die? Now, this is one hundred percent proof, from the mouth of NDEs which are Near Death Experience cases. And I am going to get into detail and I am going to share a couple of stories about that. But 100 percent true about what happens when you die, at least from the mouths of some involved. Now, I have been reading this book it is called, “The Supernatural Worldview” by Chris Putnan and it recently came out. Anyhow, I really enjoyed it and I found some great insights on it. I am not done reading it yet, but I have started on it, and I just want to share with you, some of those stories from this book and I will leave a link at the bottom if you want to check that out. But oftentimes, people are left with a question: What happens at the end of life? What happens when you die? All religions tend to claim they have an answer - you have reincarnation as an answer, you have the atheist view - where you just die and that is it. [Chuckles] And then you have the Christian answer which is you die and there is a Heaven, and there is the Hell, which is what I believe. And which is what I know is real, but we are going to take the advise of near-death experiences and then make our conclusion. And I think you will be amazed by it. And then you also have the other side where everybody goes to Heaven! All paths lead to Heaven! Is that really the case? And that is the question that I want to address today, but the first near-death experience and these are people who have basically died, or almost died, or left their body during surgery, or walked down a tunnel, or saw Heaven, or saw Hell. Something happened to these people, when they came back, they had an amazing story and there are a lot of links that can be seen. So anyway, the first story that I want to just read to you, again I am going to read it straight from this book, is this Kimberly Clark story and it is about... ...she was one of the workers in the hospital but it is about the girl, Maria. And I am just going to read it to you straight from here, but it is pretty cool. Okay, “Maria had never been to Seattle America was everything she had imagined and more although the rain never stopped that crazy flying saucer looking building epitomized America's excess en la parte superior, however this visit was only brief respite from the audacious picking season, like most other migrant workers she sent her hard-earned wages home. She came to this country for work and flash suddenly, swishing pain, shortness of breath and darkness had filled her heart. Sirens and traffic and blinding lights were heard overhead a very skinny nurse said she had a heart attack. She had been admitted to the Harborview Hospital's Coronary Care Unit. While lying in the metal frame bed - everything seemed white-clean, a bleach aroma prevailed. Surely, she would be up against soon, it came again like a cannon-shot - the pain in her chest exploded once more. And there she went up and out of her body...” Now, she was having a cardiac arrest and here she is, all of a sudden, leaving her body. “...Really, out! She was out of her body! Looking down, she saw panicked staff rush to her bedside amidst the clamor of squawking alarms. everything was realer than real - hyper real, high-definition, holographic, multidimensional. She was floating, as the traffic was screaming and equipment was buzzing and beeping, she felt a blissful peace. She rose through the ceiling, through the roof and looked down on the hospital. 'Floating?' she thought, 'Now that is odd. I am floating.' On a window ledge, she saw a single tattered blue tennis shoes sitting on its frayed lace. She wondered, 'How did it get way up here on the third floor?' It had a hole in the pinky toe. All of a sudden, she shot back into her body and felt an icy hot pain as she looked up and saw the doctor holding the defibrillator paddles...” So now, what has happened so far, is she went in for, I believe, a heart attack or cardiac arrest, but she had this and then she left her body, this happened two cases as far as for her cardiac arrest, and she went up to the third floor of the building and on the third floor she saw the shoe with a shoe lace. And set a certain way - it was you know well - it was sitting a certain way. Now, Kimberly Clark who is the nurse, “...was working as a social worker at Harborview Hospital when the unconscious cardiac arrest patient, Maria, was admitted she had arrested again in the hospital, flat lining for a minute or two, but was resuscitated within the three minute window. As part of her customary follow-up, Clark visited her the same day whereupon Maria related her out of body experience floating above the hospital. In addition to describing Maria's perspective looking down on her body and then rising through the building, Clark reported, Maria proceeded to describe being further distracted by an object on the third floor ledge at the north end of the building. She thought her way up there and found herself eyeball to shoelace with the tennis shoe, which she asked me to find for her. Anxiously, to prove that she was not crazy, Maria desperately wanted the social worker to find the shoe.” Now, it goes on to say that basically she goes up - Kimberly Clark - and she goes up to the third floor and she finds this shoe with the shoelace with the hole in the pinky toe just as Maria had described. And there is no way that Maria would have known that, unless she had a near-death experience or that out of body experience and this is what we see happening with Maria. That is, 100 percent concrete evidence of someone leaving their body and coming back. Now, I want to read you one short one and this is another story about Howard Storm and let me read you his is really short. “Storm was on a teaching trip to Paris when he was suddenly overwhelmed by excruciating pain and put into an ambulance and rushed to a nearby hospital. For a short while he was dead. As an Atheist, Storm, expected oblivion at death - to his astonishment he was suddenly out his body, looking down at the hospital room...” Now, keep in mind he is an Atheist, so his preconceived beliefs are not driving this, because if it was his preconceived beliefs, he surely would not have been out of his body as an Atheist, okay. “...Then rather than going towards the light he was forcibly dragged down to a horrific place of darkness where monstrous evil entities tortured him in revolting ways...” That kind of sounds like the Hell of the Bible. He was dragged down to the pits of Hell, but it goes on, “...later rescued and transported to Heaven, he encountered angels and the Creator God of the Bible. He described a life review and an interesting conversation with God. Storm was sent back with a new mission to proclaim the Gospel and today he is a pastor of the Christian religion.” So you have one near-death experience with Maria going up being able to see the shoe, okay now, keep in mind Maria was fully conscious - she was able to describe a shoe, okay, while her body was down below. Okay, most people think, “Your brain is thinking.” Yes, your brain is thinking, but even when you are unattached to your brain, you still have a conscious mind - I want you to note that. So, that is one key thing and another thing that we are noticing with Howard Storm is that he too was an Atheist and preconceived ideas of what happens to these near-death experiences did not exist with him. He was physically dragged to a place of torment and the Bible describes that place of torment as Hell. And I am going to read a couple scriptures in a moment. Now, there is another story and I am going to just try to, because it is a little long, but I am just going to sum it up for you. But it is the Pam Reynolds story. No, I will read it - it is not that long. So, one more story and then we will stop with the stories but, “...Reynolds endured an exotic surgical procedure called 'Operation Standstill,' to remove a life-threatening aneurysm on her brain stem. The procedure entails: stopping the heart, and the blood is drained from the brain to allow the aneurysm to be removed, even more the body temperature is lowered to sixty degrees while fully anesthetized or with anesthetics with sound admitting earplugs to verify flat brain wave activity on the EEG (Electroencephalography)....” So basically, she was put under by an anesthesiologist sorry if I messed it up earlier, but she was put under by an anesthesiologist. And they were working on her brain and the heart and she was getting this aneurysm removed. Well, the story goes on to say that basically she has the near-death experience. And she floats above her body and she is able to describe all the tools and the conversations that the doctor had while she was “under.” And it (her description) was to 100 percent details, so much so, that the doctors themselves were just utterly stunned and many of them converted to Christianity. And the thing is, she too was out of her body, which means her conscience was working even though the brain