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Kris: So hi everybody, it's Kris from KrisCarr.com and I have a very special guest today - my
new friend, Dr Sara Gottfried. Welcome, Sara! Sara: Hey Kris! Hi everybody!
Kris: It is so great to have you here. And I'm such a big fan of yours. I have to say
that your book, The Hormone Cure, has become ... there it is! Your book! And there's a
paperback now - I still have the hardcover. It has become one of my new recommendations
and bibles and I have brought it into my Functional Medicine practitioners. And I will say that
I busted one of my own myths, thanks to you. I thought that I was high in cortisol but
it turns out I'm low in cortisol. So thank you for that, Dr Sara!
Sara: You know, I'm always happy to be of service. So thank you for that, Kris. I'm
a huge fan, let me just get that out of the way. I've been a huge fan for years.
Kris: Mwah, mwah! So for you guys out there who might not know about Dr Sara, I think
that's probably hard at this point because you're such a superstar, but sometimes I'm
certainly last to the party. Let me just tell y'all a little bit about her before we dive
into this interview. She is a Harvard-educated physician, a board-certified gynaecologist,
a speaker, a yoga teacher ... isn't that nice when it all comes together? I say those really
big educational words and then I say she's a yoga teacher! What? She's a mom of two daughters
and the author of this unbelievable book, The Hormone Cure, as I said. So, Sara, I want
to talk about something that I know is going on for a lot of women in my life right now.
That is an increased amount of stress. Sara: Mmm.
Kris: I know you are just the master at solving these problems for folks. So tell me what
you mean by 'runaway stress' and what happens to our bodies when we have runaway stress.
Sara: This is such a great question. I think that most of us don't realize that we have
runaway stress. You know, there's sort of tricky ways that it shows up. One way is that
you just feel ungrounded, or you feel anxious, or depressed - 50% of people who have depression
actually have high cortisol. It's a suicide marker.
Kris: Wow. Sara: Cortisol is the main stress hormone
and the problem with runaway stress is that it changes the entire hormonal makeup of your
body. So this is really important. It can age you prematurely ... why don't we get the vain
things out of the way first, Kris, does that sound good?
Kris: That sounds awesome! Sara: And then we can talk about the inner
ecosystem. So, you know, on the surface I really think that your skin is a mirror of
your life and if you have runaway stress, if you have bad stress and cortisol is either
too high or too low or, you know, maybe both within the same day, it causes you to wrinkle
prematurely, it shrinks - on the inside - it shrinks your telemeters, those are the cute
little caps on your chromosomes that are a marker of your biological, as opposed to your
chronological, age. And it robs you of the mood and metabolism that you most deserve.
So, if you don't want to be fat and cranky, you've got to make sure that you don't have
runaway stress! Kris: [Laughs] I like that. Nobody wants to
be fat and cranky. But, you know, we just don't, but I think that it's great in theory
but how do we in our daily lives really practise that? Because, when we get that email, when
we feel up against the ropes with a deadline, or when something's going on with our kids,
you know, from your perspective, how do we walk out of that stress cyclone?
Sara: Yeah, the stress cyclone! You know, the key thing with the cyclone ... actually I
don't know cyclones very well but I know hurricanes!
Kris: Hurricanes, OK! Sara: The stress hurricane, you want to find
the eye. Like, we all have the stress hurricane happening all the time and it's not the amount
of stress that you have, it's actually your reaction to it. It's your perception of the
stress, especially if you think it's harmful for you. So I think the key part, when you're
up against the wall and you have stress coming from multiple different places, is to really
understand your response to it. And there's a lot of ways to do that but I think it really
starts with measuring - and you can measure it with questionnaires, you can look at symptoms,
blood tests, you can measure those cute little telemeters, it's not expensive to do that.
So there's lots of different ways to measure it, but I think that's where it first starts.
And, once you have that measurement, and you have the awareness, then you can step into
the grace of developing your solutions - the solutions that are really tailor-made for
you, because not everybody ... Kris, sometimes I have folks come to me in my practise and
they'll say "Dr Sara, I know you're a yoga teacher and I just want to tell you right
now I'm not going to yoga." Kris: [Laughs]
Sara: "So can we talk about something else? Because that's not going to work for me and
I'm not going to sit on a cushion and meditate either." So we've got to come up with the
solutions that really work for folks. Kris: Yeah, I love that. And I think that,
once we find those solutions, we actually have to practise them, because sometimes it's
very easy to stay stuck in our habits - including the habits that support stress - when we know
right around the corner there's something better waiting for us. I know, for me, dancing,
hiking in the woods, really unstructured time and really awesome, fun movies are my go-to
stress reducers. And, if I'm choosing not to do them, or I'm saying that I'm not making
time to do those, then I'm actually choosing more stress in my life than more joy. And
it's taken me a long time to actually own up to that!
Sara: Yeah, that's such a good point and I think, once you have your a la carte menu - I like
your menu, you've got the dancing, the hiking ... what was the third thing?
Kris: I love movies and I love unstructured time.
Sara: Yeah! Kris: Yeah.
Sara: Unstructured time and movies! So, you know, all of those, I think, suspend time
Kris: Mmm. Sara: And I think, for all of us, we need to get out of that hamster wheel of time. You know,
running from one task to the next and the To Do list that is at the front of our consciousness
instead of the mission that we want to rock while we're here. When you are able to hit
the pause button it really makes such a difference in your physiology. And it's ... you know,
I want to make sure that people understand that ... I'm not saying what I was told when
I was in my mid-30s, when I was crazy stresspants and I went to my doctor and I was, like, "Waaaaah!
I'm a working mother and I can't do this and I'm fat and I'm cranky and irritable and I
don't want to have sex with my husband." And my doctor was like, "OK, you need to reduce
stress." Kris: Right.
Sara: That's not my message at all. My message is let's hike with it a bit differently, let's
dance with it differently, let's take it out for a walk in nature. Because stress hates
going for a walk in nature. That just doesn't work at all. So we've gotta find these ways
to have a different relationship with stress. Kris: I love that you say that because none of us ...
I mean, very few of us live in the luxurious life where we can protect ourselves 100% and
live in a bubble from stress. I think it's very easy to kind of paint this either/or
reality and then the vast majority of folks out there, especially the vast majority are
women, feel like their problem isn't really being solved and they're still left scratching
their head. So, for you personally, how do you, as you say, dance with stress, meet stress
half-way? Sara: Yeah, oh this is such a good one. I'm
a yoga teacher so, you know, I had to become a yoga teacher because Iwas so stress-crazed
in my 30s. So I like to disrupt it with yoga. And sometimes it's as simple as sacral release.
You know, like one yoga pose that I'll do in the morning and the days where I could
go to those lovely 90-minute classes, like those days are pretty much over! So I don't do that anymore.
I also use my iPhone, I'll be at the grocery store and I'll pop on Inner Balance by Heart Math and
I'll do some coherance training, where you take the sympathetic nervous system, that half
of your nervous system that's in charge of fight or flight, and I'll get it into sync
with my parasympathetic nervous system, that half of your nervous system that does rest
and digest. When you connect the two ... ah, it's like biological yumminess. It's so good
for you. Orgasm does it too! So those are, you know, some of the things that work really
well for me. Kris: Let's go to my favorite subject: the
link between cortisol and all the bad crap that could go on in your life!
Sara: [Laughs] Oh yes! Well, this list is long. I'll give you a few headlines and you
can tell me where you want to dive deeper. Kris: You got it.
Sara: I mentioned, you know, that, when cortisol's like a runaway train, you can get fat and
cranky. So why don't we start first with fat? Kris: [Laughs]
Sara: So, when you're stressed out, and I get ... I used to get stressed out over the
most minor things. But, what I found when I was in that place of being thin-skinned
and highly sensitive, was that I would get fat so easily. I would go into survival mode
and, when you're in survival mode and cortisol is either really high or you're at more the
burnout phase, where it's low, then what happens is you're storing fat. So your body is kind
of like, if you imagine an Irish potato farmer who has a famine upon them, they don't know
where their next meal is going to come from. So you store fat like crazy and especially
where you can pick it up fast - which is right here at your belly. And that's not such a good thing. It's fat that is not just at
your waistline, it's also around your liver and in your liver. It's around your organs
and it's a special kind of bad fat that is metabolically active and working against you.
Kris: Right. Sara: Including shrinking the telemeters.
Kris: That's not good. Sara: None of us want to be fat. We want to
be lean. In fact, we know that longevity, Imentioned that telemeters can track your
longevity, when it comes to longevity you want to be either maintaining your lean body
mass or making it better as you get older. That happens to be one of my goals. I want
to look totally hot when I'm in my late 90s! What do you think Kris?
Kris: I think that's a good idea. I like that plan.
Sara: Yeah, green juice, keep the cortisol in check.
Kris: Exactly. Sara: Right? So, yeah, what else. #1 you're
going to get fat. #2 it robs you of those happy brain chemicals. I was making the joke
about dopamine, which is responsible for pleasure and satisfaction, and addict brains tend to
be really focused on dopamine and I happen to be one of those addict brains. If something
is worth doing it's worth overdoing! And also serotonin. So serotonin is ... I like to call
it Dr Serotonin, that's what my assistant calls it.
Kris: [Laughs] Sara: Serotonin's in charge of your mood and
your sleep and your appetite and it's not like all these brain chemicals are created
equal. Like serotonin is the gatekeeper. You really want to love up your serotonin, it's
very important when you have runaway stress, when you have high cortisol or low cortisol,
it effects the levels of these happy brain chemicals. So that affects your mood, anxiety,
depression, ADD, memory issues, those are some of the things that happen. In fact, we
know, for people who have high cortisol, it can shrink your hippocampus.
Kris: Oh. Sara: I just wanted to say hippocampus for
you, Kris. Kris: It's a sexy word, hippocampus! It's
such a sexy word. It's really for after-hours but, since you went there, here we are!
Sara: [Laughs] It's cocktail hour somewhere, I thought I could bring in hippocampus! So
your hippocampus is in charge of your emotional regulation and memory consolidation and, if
you are shrinking that puppy in your brain with high cortisol, you are going to walk
into a room and just be like, why did I come in here again? I can't remember. And you're
not going to be able to emotionally regulate. And, oh my gosh, aren't relationships the
most important thing on the planet? Kris: Yeah.
Sara: We need our hippocampus to have strong, supportive relationships. So those are a few
of the things. I could go on and on about what happens with the ...
Kris: Cortisol, yes. Sara: When cortisol goes bad.
Kris: So let me ask you a question, because I bet a lot of people out there listening
to this will probably wonder how do I know if mine is high or low or where I stand? What
would you suggest? Sara: Well, I ... I want to give a range of
options here, ranging from absolutely free to ...
Kris: Very expensive! Sara: Very expensive! Some of the tests that you can
do ... free would be that you do a symptom questionnaire. And I have a free one on my
website. I'm happy to give the URL for that. You can also, if you get my book, on page
24 through 31 you can take my questionnaire that I've been using in my practice for 20
years to identify problems with high cortisol, low cortisol, and anything in between. So
those are some of the suggestions in terms of measuring. You can also do a blood test.
And I'm a big fan. I practise functional medicine, as you know Kris, and I like to do blood work
first, because it's the universal language of mainstream medicine. Now, that's a separate
conversation, how I want to completely change mainstream medicine and bring them our way!
But I like to start with blood tests, because most mainstream doctors don't really buy the
whole cortisol issue and adrenal disregulation, even though there's thousands and thousands
of studies showing that there's a link to cancer and to diabetes and metabolic syndrome
and all these other issues. Kris: Now what about saliva or urine or anything
like that? Sara: Yeah, so I say by any means necessary.
I like to start with the blood test, because I think it's a good screening test and it's
got this universality with other doctors that I like and then, if you haven't detected a
problem or if you want to go further, I'm a big fan of saliva testing. And the most
common is to do what's called a four-point test. The fancy word is 'diurnal'.
Kris: Yes, yes. Sara: Diurnal. And that's where you check, when you
first get up in the morning, your saliva for cortisol, before lunch, before dinner, and
before you go to bed. You know, what happens with cortisol is you want to be high in the
morning, not too high, not too low, you want to be at a certain level and you have this
lovely downhill ski-slope that you run over the course of the day. And, if you don't have
that slope, if you're flat, for instance, which is one of the things we see in folks
who suffer with cancer. If you don't have that slope, it can be worse than smoking for
your health. Kris: Wow.
Sara: So you really want to pay attention to this. Another thing you can do is you can
measure cortisol in your hair. How about that? Kris: Hmm.
Sara: It's a bit of an average, so it's harder to kind of see the slope.
Kris: Yes. Sara: And then you can also measure it in
your urine. Kris: The reason why I brought that up is
because I think that the ... I was calling them quizzes but I think that the forms in
your book that you can go through to really figure out what's going on with you as so,
so useful. And I've been a [laughs] a patient in functional medicine for a long time. And
sometimes I feel like I know as much as some of the doctors that I've worked with - just
because, when you're up against the ropes, you tend to get very passionate and learn
everything you want to know or need to know about your particular situation. It wasn't
until I took one of your ... I filled out one of your questionnaires that I was like,
wait a minute, this is all off, because my blood test - and I share this with everybody
because I think it might be common and Sara will tell us in a moment - my blood test was
fine. So then I did the four-point test and that's when I learned that my cortisol was
way too low in the morning. And, just taking some licorice first thing in the morning,
with a really large glass of water before I go on to my warm water with lemon, I could
see such a difference in my overall day. And it was that simple.
Sara: Yeah. Kris: And, until then, I had licorice but
I was taking other things and I thought this probably isn't the most important thing on
my list. Sara: [Laughs]
Kris: And I just relegated it off to the side because sometimes I take a lot of different
supplements. Well it turned out to be the difference between being exhausted throughout
the day or being like a regular human. So that's why I brought up the saliva test. And
my question is, with, for example with the blood test, is it common that sometimes it
can come back and everything looks fine but it really isn't still?
Sara: Absolutely. There's so much, there are so many nuggets in what you just described
and I want to unravel a couple of them. I'm going to come back to thsi point about the
blood test and how it's not the best screening test, especially if you really think that
there's an issue. So I wanted to say first that I totally believe that you are your best
doctor. Kris: Mmm.
Sara: You know, especially when you've had a wakeup call, as you have had, Kris. I think
it just allows you to step into that place of kind of divine investigation that is very
hard to find in a clinician. And if you find it, oh my gosh, hang on to that person!
Kris: Exactly! Sara: You want to create a partnership, I
think that is so crucial. #2 I want to say that the blood test, you know, even though
it's part of this universal language that mainstream medicine speaks, it's a snapshot
of the 10 seconds that a needle is in your vein, right?
Kris: Good point. Sara: I think you may have a needle phobia
and be a little freaked out about me talking about that but I think it's important to realize
that, if you look at your level of cortisol over the course of the entire day, versus
the 10 seconds that you've got that needle, it really makes a difference. Especially if
you do have a needle phobia, chances are your cortisol is going to go up while that needle
is in your vein! Kris: Yeah!
Sara: And if you're low in cortisol and they're sticking you with the needle, maybe they've
stuck you three times and your cortisol is, like, waaaah! You're not going to measure
that it was low! Right? Kris: So true.
Sara: So I think it's important, not just to do multiple tests, but also to integrate
them with the symptoms. I appreciate you bringing up the quizzes and the questionnaires, because
most physicians who've been practising for a while, or other types of practitioners,
realize that you want to integrate the clinical story with the laboratory tests. You never
want to treat one in isolation, you want to find the bridge between them. And I would
always say that symptoms trump the laboratory tests.
Kris: Mmm. Sara: Now, when it comes to this laboratory
test, I'll get a little bit more detailed because, when I did my first cortisol test,
my primary care physician got the result and she basically was, like, "Oh, your cortisol's
fine, there's no problem here." This was in my mid-30s, when I saw my primary care doctor
and I had a hunch that the suggestions that I was getting were not the best thing for
me. Like anti-depressants, reduce your stress, and how about a nice birth control pill?
Kris: So you're being really polite right now?
Sara: I'm being so polite! Kris: [Laughs]
Sara: So this guy got my test and I had a cortisol of, like, 20, which is about double
what it should be in the morning. And he said, "Oh, you're fine. You're totally normal."
Kris: Wow. Sara: So he was using that 95% bell curve
for, you know, the US population, which is more stressed out than ever before in the
history of the world. And I don't want to be like 95% of the population! I want to be
in the optimal range, which tends to be, in the morning, with an 8am lab draw, between
about 10 & 15%. And then I had other blood draws, I repeated it, of course, because I
didn't believe him. And then I was at 30! So I was about triple where I should have
been. Kris: Wow.
Sara: And that was the key to all of my other hormone problems. It's not just that I want
people to manage their cortisol it's that, when you manage your cortisol, and you change
their dance, that hike, with stress, it helps all yoru other hormone. Because cortisol is
the boss, the boss-man, and it's in charge of how much estrogen and progesterone and
testosterone and thyroid hormone you're making. And you've gotta unlock the cortisol first.
Kris: Such a beautiful way to put it and it's so easy and it makes people like me, who love
very specific tests and action items, go oh yeah, I've got something very clear to focus
on. So I know a lot of people out there are probably going to get very excited as well.
I don't know if we covered this or not but, if there was one public enemy out there, one
thing that we should be very aware of, what would it be?
Sara: Well, I think I have a three-way tie but I'm going to say food and how ... our
food has been completely hijacked and most of us don't realize that big food is really
manipulating us, with the salt, sugar, fat bombs that they drop on us. And, unless you're
super conscious about the way that you're eating, chances are the food is creating this
fat party in your body and we don't want that! Kris: Mmm.
Sara: So I would say big food and I was going to say big chemistry and endocrine disrupters
but I think I'm going to save that for another time with you, Kris.
Kris: OK, I look forward to that another time. We might have an ongoing date here, you and
I and the world. Sara: Right on.
Kris: Well, you know I love talking about food so let's dive into that and let's talk
about what foods reduce stress in the body. Sara: Oh yes. I'm going to take a big breath
here because this is such a fun conversation. So, #1 I would say green. Green green green
green. It alkalizes, it just soothes your food soul in a way that nothing else does.
I mean, I think any diet that you go on, they all have this common theme of 'eat more non-starchy
vegetables'. So that would be #1. It's so good for you, it's just really soothing for
your gut microbiome. Honestly, I wonder if you agree with this, I think the next 10-12
years of medicine, it's all going to be about the gut microbiome, the collection of bacteria
that you have in your gut which outnumbers human cells 10 to 1.They're very important.
Kris: So that's #1. Sara: And then #2, chocolate!
Kris: [Laughs] Oh, you've got people really excited now! Go on girl, what's going on with
chocolate? Sara: Oh my gosh. So, this may be my favorite
study ever on cortisol. There was a study, okay it was funded by Hersheys and I have
a problem with that but, whatever, they found, in a randomized trial, so this is the best
evidence that you can possibly get, that one or two squares of extra dark chocolate a day
lowers your cortisol level. And, if you are a low cortisol person, it helps to rebalance
cortisol. It creates that harmony in the body that we want when your adrenals are disregulated.
So dark chocolate. I'm talking about the extra dark chocolate, my friend, so the cacao nibs,
I happen to like 80% or higher in terms of percentage cacao. I'd love to hear any comments
you have about extra dark chocolate. Kris: Yeah, I would absolutely agree with
you and especially making the difference, the distinction between dark chocolate and
milk chocolate. Because I think that dark chocolate can have so many beneficial properties,
including - correct me if I'm wrong - magnesium, theobromine, really good stuff for you. But
milk chocolate we want to avoid, certainly, because of the inflammation. And it also,
from my perspective, it tends to be a lot sweeter. So, when we're looking at inflammation
specifically, the more we can reduce the amount of processed sugar, for example, most people
know that at this point but sometimes you can forget where it's hidden. Would you agree
with that? Sara: I totally agree. I totally agree. And
I think you're right about the magnesium. Most of us are magnesium deficient and we
need to make sure that we're getting magnesium from food sources whenever possible. Some
of us need to take a supplement - like me. Kris: Me too.
Sara: So #1 greens. #2 the extra dark chocolate. And then #3, omega 3s. You've got to make
sure you're getting omega 3s from your food plan. I also take a supplement, because I
have a tendency toward inflammation. And you can get your omega 3s in a lot of different
places. I just was - I don't think it's in season quite yet here in the Bay area, but
there's this green called Purslane that I really love. And it is the richest source
of omega 3 in a plant. Kris: Wow, I didn't know that! That's awesome.
Sara: I was trying to rock a few truth bombs for you, Kris. So I was digging deep to come
up with a couple for you! Kris: [Laughs] Let me ask you a question because
I know a lot of our readers ... our viewers out there who listen to me are vegan and sometimes
they can feel kind of left out when it comes to supplementation recommendations, especially
when, you know, one of the biggest recommendations is fish oil and people might not be open to
taking fish oil but they need supplementation. I do my best to try to put walnuts in as much
of my food as I possibly can, because, if I'm not careful I can definitely get low.
Is there a supplement that you like, that you would recommend for vegans?
Sara: Now, I have to put on my crazy scientist hat here and I wish that I could say that
there are fantastic randomized trials looking at vegan sources of omega 3s that you can
take as a supplement and, correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think we're quite there
in terms of having the best evidence that it really moves the needle. Now, I suspect
it does, I think food sources do that and I suspect that many of the vegan sources out
there of omega 3 supplements do move the needle for you but I like to really have a high bar
of evidence and I don't have it when it comes ot the vegan sources.
Kris: So foods, great foods, and if you're not vegan or if you're open to it, fish oil.
I think what's sometimes confusing about fish oil is that you also have information about
the toxicity and the rancidness of unstable fish oils.
Sara: Oh yes. Kris: And that they can be more difficult
to keep stable. So, yeah, I think you and I come back to the same position all the time,
which is get it from your food and everything else is supplemental. And if you really need
it, then you go and find what source works for you and your own values, etc. Okay, so
we hit omega 3s, we hit chocolate - which everybody's happy about - we hit greens. Is
there anything else we should talk about to reduce stress?
Sara: Well, there's a longer list. I talk about it quite a bit in Chapter 4 of my book.
I want to say that, you know, one issue that comes up for women that creates stress is
going too low in your carbohydrates. Kris: Mmm.
Sara: So this is one of those places where, just as you want your cortisol to not be the
bad boyfriend that you dated in high school or college, right, and you don't want it too
high and you don't want it too low, you want to make sure that your carbohydrates are not
too high and not too low. So I see a lot of women who come to me who maybe went paleo
or they decided to go low carb and they are not getting the results that they hoped for.
And often what happens for women, especially if you're trying to get pregnant, or you're
post-partum, or you have thyroid issues, you really need a certain level of carbohydrates.
That's true especially if you have any adrenal issues. And, Kris, I know two people in all
of California who don't have adrenal issues so we're talking about most of us here, right?!
Kris: Wow. Can we study with them? I think that would be really wonderful.
Sara: Totally. One of them's my sister so she's, like, poster child. But, when it comes
to carbohydrates, what we know - and my next book is actually about this - when it comes
to women, most of us need somewhere between about 25 and 99 net carbs per day. And that's
what you need for your adrenals, your thyroid to really be functioning well. So I would
say the carbohydrates are important too and I'm talking about the slow carbs. I'm talking
about the sweet potatoes and the taro chips and getting carbs from your vegetables. I'm
not talking about a box of processed foods. Kris: She would never talk about that, friends!
She would never talk about that. I'm so glad you brought that up because, certainly right
now, since paleo is such a craze, carbs get so villified and when the rubber meets the
road is when doctors like you say but this is what I'm seeing in my patients. It doesn't
work for everybody. In fact, there's a lot of people who have a difficuilt time on vegan
diets. So I think where you and I - again, we agree on so many things - but I think what
we mostly agree on is you've got to get the crap out of your diet! Really have to get
the crap out of your diet. And there really isn't a need to villify food, we just want
to be very conscious about where the food is coming from, what food should be used in
moderation. I think that's so important. You know, there are a lot of people that I speak
to who never would want to go vegan like I've gone and what I continually say is can you
choose certified humane, can you have smaller portions, can you have less during the course
of the week? Because those things will help your health and your wellbeing.
Sara: Yeah, totally true. And it's, you know, I love how you are broadening the field here
because it's when you take those baby steps, the certified humane, that it adds up to major
transformation over time. When I think about there's sort of another layer here of consciousness
when it comes to the food that you put in your mouth and it's ... I look through hormone
glasses ... shall I put my hormone glasses on?
Kris: Yes. They're very smart. They're smart hormone glasses.
Sara: [Laughs] So, hormones drive your consciousness and also your consciousness drives your hormones
and your hormone balance. And I think that, when you keep mining this experience with
food and you really figure out, okay, this is not one size fits all, it's not even one
size fits all for you over the course of your life.
Kris: Right. Sara: 5 years ago your needs may have been
very different than what they are right now. So we've got to figure out, okay, let's cultivate
the consciousness, the body awareness, so that we really know what is the right food
plan for me. Kris: Mmm. So good. Okay, let me move on to
my last question, because I could go on. So, for the green juice drinking, yoga mama in
our audience, who is rocking some of these tips already, what is she not thinking about
or addressing? What's she missing? Sara: Yeah. Well, I love this question because
it kind of takes us to the next level, or next few levels. Beyond that point about measuring.
Because what you measure improves and the corollary is that, if you're not measuring
something, if you're not aware of something, then you can't change it. You can't change
it for the better. So, measuring, I think, is so important. Once you measure, I'm a big
fan of building out a dashboard. So I'm picturing a really nice, kind of blinged out dashboard
here for the yoga mama who's drinking the green juice. Just like you have a dashboard
on your computer or you have a dashboard that a pilot uses in an airplane, I want our listeners
to build out that dashboard. Now, for me, I've got to track the cortisol because I'm
like a cortisol junkie and I need to be mindful of how cortisol can kind of take over. So
I track it on my dashboard about once a quarter. I also track inflammation and everybody has
a different way of doing that. Homocysteine, for instance, doesn't measure it in my body,
neither does c-reactive protein, so I have to track some other things on my dashboard.
So I would say building out this dashboard is #1. And then #2, ritualize. Ritualize.
Now, you were talking earlier about how unstructured time is really important for you and I do
think that that's crucial, especially for connecting to our higher feminine and our
higher masculine. I'm going to go Berkley woo-hoo on you here for a moment but there's
a ritualizing that I think is very important because I need a reminder on it on an almost
daily basis. When I get up in the morning and I do 5 minutes of yoga, instead of checking
my email inbox, that allows me to ritualize this awareness, that I really need to bring
to my biology, my DNA each day. So those are a few suggestions for our green juice drinking
yoga mama who's wondering what to do next! Kris: Those are wonderful. They really take
it to the next level. And sometimes the next level is actually just going deeper, it's
not even higher, it's just deeper and getting more intuitive and more in touch with what
you need to be mindful of. Because your body is giving you messages all the time, right?
And oftentimes we just aren't sharp enough or intuitive enough or open enough or quiet
enough to actually go, oh wait, hold on, I just heard that, oh gotcha, alright, let me
see what happens if I start to do that for you on a regular basis.
Sara: Ah, see that ... that is magic for your DNA. When you have that level of not taking
a symptom - say you're not sleeping well and you just go okay, I'm just going to get a
sleeping pill, I'm just going to medicate this way. When you do that instead of doing
what your body most needs - which is to take that message and decode it and go deeper with
it and sort of say, okay, is that it? Do I need to go further? Do I have some fears that
are coming up around this symptom? Like what's getting in the way, what's the swamp that
I'm in around this? Kris: Right.
Sara: That really is what creates the grace that we're talking about when it comes to
your biology. Kris: You're such a wealth of information
and such a beautiful soul and funny and sexy and fabulous. And I'm so glad that you're
out doing this work and you're in my life. So thank you for this.
Sara: Thank you, Kris. Right back to you. I adore what you're doing for the planet.
Thank you. Kris: So, before we go, I want you to just
share any information, new stuff that's going on for you, talk about your website, anything
that our viewers might need to know. Sara: Sure. Sure. Well, I mentioned the free
quiz that we have. So hopefully that will be of some service to some of our listeners.
If you want to figure out where you are with these hormones.
Kris: Yeah, and we can link to that. We'll link to that in the blog at KrisCarr.com.
Sara: Okay, beautiful. So that's TheHormoneCureBook.com/quiz. Kris: Great.
Sara: TheHormoneCureBook.com/quiz. So that's where my book lives, my first book. I've got
my next book coming out in March of 2015. Very excited about that. It's a soul-to-soul
food plan. Kris: Ooo!
Sara: Like how to reset your 7 hormones and metabolism with the way that you eat and move.
So I'm very excited about that. And I also have my mothership, which is SaraGottfriedMD.com.
I always have to say Sara without an H, G-O-T-T-F-R ... it's just easier to go to TheHormoneCure.Com/quiz!
Kris: [Laughs] Google knows who you are though, it's pretty neat! You're searched quite often!
Alright, well thanks again. And, everybody out there listening, if there's something
going on, leave us a comment, drop it below, head on over to KrisCarr.com. So often in
the comments, you all answer your own questions, but both Sara and I will be watching. I hope
this was helpful for you. We both love you very, very much. And have a great day.
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