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  • Pastors and elders are ordained by the Lord, that's true. (Amen!)

  • Obeying pastors and elders is obeying the Lord. (Amen!)

  • Is such a view founded in the Bible?

  • Is it proven by the Lord's word?

  • Does it have testimony of the Holy Spirit and confirmation of His work?

  • Isn't this just a figment of people's own imaginations? (Yeah.)

  • After these last two meetings,

  • I never realized their preachings would make so much sense

  • and be all based on the Bible.

  • It's enough to convince anyone.

  • I really can't find a flaw in it. I really can't!

  • I agree.

  • But if our whole congregation believes in Almighty God,

  • wouldn't that be bad for our church? (Yeah.)

  • Brother Jia, we need to find a way to keep them back with us.

  • I don't want to lose our church, but what can we do?

  • They found the words of Almighty God to be truth, and they must accept it.

  • How can I stop them?

  • After all, none of the lies from the CCP have stopped them.

  • That's true.

  • Jia

  • There is something.

  • Sister Fu is going to another meeting tomorrow

  • Come in!

  • Jia Hongwei has started to gather brothers and sisters

  • along with some co-workers,

  • and is threatening them into not accepting the Eastern Lightning.

  • Listen, we need to check it out.

  • Quick. Call Brother Li and the others now.

  • Hurry! (Okay.)

  • Let's go. (Hurry.)

  • So we must stick to the Bible and cease all contact with the Eastern Lightning.

  • Right.

  • We'll stop from now on.

  • Brother Dou, Brother Zhu,

  • only after reading Almighty God's words and understanding many of the truths,

  • have I realized what it really means to believe in God. (Amen.)

  • It's strengthened our belief.

  • Our initial faith and love have all come back.

  • Yeah! Yes!

  • So in my heart I feel the word of Almighty God must be the truth. (Amen.)

  • It supplies us and resolves our problems of belief.

  • Yeah. Yes.

  • Isn't that what the Holy Spirit said to the churches? (Amen!)

  • Why won't you let us accept it?

  • Yes, why? Let us accept.

  • Why won't they let us?

  • Yeah. We all used to listen as elders analyzed the Bible,

  • but we didn't enjoy the Holy Spirit's work or receive any life supply.

  • That's right.

  • Our spirits have been dark and withered because of this.

  • Yes. She's right! That's right. That's true. Completely.

  • Thanks be to the Lord.

  • Since receiving the watering of the words of Almighty God,

  • we have found faith and love. (Yeah!)

  • I regret not reading the words sooner. (Yeah!)

  • We already worry that we're too late,

  • so why hold us back from reading Almighty God's words?

  • Yes, why try to deny us? Sister He, I must

  • Sister Fu!

  • She's arrived!

  • Thanks be to God!

  • What's she doing here?

  • I have no idea.

  • I'm so glad she came.

  • Sister Zhang.

  • Oh, she came too!

  • Brother Li, Brother Chen, please have a seat. (Please.)

  • Take a seat.

  • Thanks.

  • Please sit.

  • Brothers and sisters, take a seat.

  • Brothers and sisters,

  • you just said that pastors and elders preach Bible knowledge and doctrines,

  • which doesn't help,

  • but isn't that how pastors have done it all over the religious world?

  • That's right.

  • Pastors and elders have interpreted the Bible for us for years.

  • And even if you disagree, they worked hard!

  • They have. Amen.

  • How can you say that?

  • We ought to suffer for the Lord. Why talk about hard work and merit?

  • Pastors and elders are appointed by the Lord. (Amen!)

  • If we obey them, we obey the Lord! (Amen!)

  • If we resist them, then we resist the Lord! (Yeah, that's right.)

  • Everyone, if the pastors and elders don't want us to hear the Eastern Lightning,

  • then we must obey them. (Yes.)

  • We won't hear that. (Yes. We can't listen to the Eastern Lightning anymore.)

  • We have to obey what the pastors say.

  • We can't accept anything that's not in the Bible. (Absolutely right.)

  • We can't go wrong if we stick to the Bible. (Agree. That's right.)

  • Brothers and sisters,

  • it's wrong for us to say that.

  • What? How is it wrong?

  • It does not conform with the Bible!

  • What did Peter say?

  • Amen!

  • Pastors and elders are just men.

  • Why should believers listen to men and not the Lord?

  • That's right. Right. Yes.

  • Can the words of pastors and elders represent the words of the Lord Jesus?

  • No, they can't. Absolutely not. They cannot.

  • Right. Almighty God is the second coming of Lord Jesus. (Amen!)

  • Almighty God's words are the truth and can supply us.

  • Amen!

  • Why won't you let us hear it? (Yes! Yeah!)

  • Do you want to be like the Pharisees? (That's right.)

  • She's right.

  • What have we gained from listening to pastors all these years?

  • It's not easy to hear God's voice today,

  • so why won't you let us accept it?

  • Yeah, why?

  • Only those Pharisees and antichrists

  • would stop people wanting to seek the true way!

  • Precisely. Indeed. I completely agree. Sister Zheng is right.

  • Sister Zheng. You can't— Hey, look.

  • They've started to understand the truth,

  • yet you refuse and try to stop people from accepting the true way.

  • Yeah. That's right.

  • Isn't this just like in the Bible?

  • Brothers and sisters, we must all believe, right?

  • Pastors and elders are ordained by the Lord, that's true.

  • Amen!

  • They are people who serve the Lord.

  • Obeying pastors and elders is obeying the Lord.

  • Amen!

  • If we resist our pastors and elders, we are resisting the Lord.

  • That's true. Amen!

  • How is this resisting the Lord?

  • Can pastors and elders represent the Lord?

  • Pastors and elders cannot be compared to the Lord. (Right.)

  • Okay. Let's think about this logically, right?

  • Who preaches when you're sitting in church?

  • The pastors and elders.

  • Right. Pastors and elders. (That's right.)

  • Only pastors and elders can understand and interpret the Bible.

  • They alone can shepherd us all. (Amen!)

  • Yes.

  • Therefore, if what the pastors and elders tell us

  • conforms to the Bible and has basis in it,

  • we should comply and obey.

  • Amen!

  • As long as pastors' and elders' actions conform with the Bible,

  • we should accept it and follow them.

  • Amen!

  • Tell me this, obeying and listening to pastors and elders

  • where can we go wrong? (Exactly! I agree. That's right.)

  • I think we should listen to God instead of people.

  • I mean the pastors and elders have been leading us for years.

  • Everyone, calm down. One moment.

  • Everyone,

  • regarding whether pastors and elders were chosen and appointed by the Lord,

  • we can find out.

  • Let's listen to the fellowship from the Church of Almighty God.

  • Let's hear from the Church of Almighty God.

  • Yes. Let us hear it.

  • Please!

  • What they preach is profound. We cannot listen!

  • Let's hear what they come up with.

  • Brother Li, communicate with us.

  • Yes, do it, please. (Tell us!)

  • Thanks be to God.

  • Everyone, please allow me to share my knowledge on this. (Sure.)

  • In religion,

  • many believe religious pastors and elders are chosen, appointed by the Lord,

  • and therefore, people should obey them.

  • Is such a view founded in the Bible?

  • Is it proven by the Lord's word? (No.)

  • Does it have testimony of the Holy Spirit and confirmation of His work?

  • No, it doesn't.

  • If all the answers are no,

  • then doesn't that mean

  • this belief that the pastors and elders are appointed by the Lord

  • is just a figment of people's own imaginations?