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  • MAPS - Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies

  • "Psychedelic Science in the 21st Century"

  • Presented by MAPS in collaboration with: the Heffter Research Institute, The Counsil on Spiritual Practices & The Beckeley Foundation

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  • Andrew Weil M.D. The future of Psychedelic and Medical Marijuana Research

  • Hello, good afternoon

  • and hi to all you folks in far away Rhode Island

  • It's a pleasure to be here. I thought I was gonna be here virtually,

  • but Rick Doblin arranged to get me a ride down from

  • St. Rafael and a ride back to the San Francisco Airport immediately after my talk

  • so I'm happy to be here in person

  • Now, I should say at the beggining that I'm

  • in some ways not the best person to give you any

  • prognostications or thoughts about where things are going because

  • when I did human esperiments with marijuana in 1968

  • I thought that marijuana would be legalized in ten years

  • I thought it was just a matter of getting truthfull information out to people because the

  • laws and attitudes were based on such wrong assumptions

  • about marijuana and about psychedelics

  • but I quickly learned that's not the case

  • In fact people believe what they wanna believe and don't believe what they don't want to

  • despite what the facts are and what the evidence are

  • and I've seen the same thing again in trying to change the medical paradigm

  • and trying to change medical education

  • there are many people that believe that the way to change things

  • is by doing research and producing data

  • I can tell you in medicine that's not the case

  • we even have very good data showing that doctors don't change their practices

  • based on the results of randomized control trials

  • The Integrative Medicine center that I founded and directed in the Arizona

  • in the University of Arizona College of Medicine

  • is now a center of excellence at the University of Arizona

  • and a world leader in training physicians and health professionals

  • in a new model of medicine

  • I'll talk to you about that in a moment

  • and the reason that we were able to do this was the support of one man

  • Jim Dolan who was the dean of the college of medicine

  • who was the first medical school dean to go out and support something of this kind

  • he retired a few years ago and said that

  • his proudest accomplishment was the Integrative Medicine Center

  • and he also said that, and I think this is a lesson for all of us

  • the way doctors and medical scientists react to new information

  • is more a function of it's source than it's content

  • that if information comes from an unfamiliar source the instinctive reaction is

  • one of defensiveness, exclusion and reaction

  • against it. And the example that he liked to use, which I think is very apt

  • is that the observation that aspirin was

  • an anticoagulant and might be useful on preventing heart attacks

  • was first made on the 1950's

  • by a general practitioner in southern California

  • this was the time when tonsillectomy was universal

  • you couldn't make it through adolescence with your tonsils and adenoids

  • if you were in a middle class family

  • and it was common practice to give kids aspergon to chew, a chewable form of aspirin

  • and this doctor noticed that kids that chewed aspergon had more and longer bleeding than kids who didn't

  • so he though maybe aspirin is a blood thinner and he began

  • taking it himself and noticed that when he cut himself shaving that the cuts bled longer

  • so he gave this to a number of his patients, satisfied himself that this was a reasonable

  • hypothesis, which he published on a journal of general practice

  • with the suggestion that aspirin might be usefull as a preventer for heart attacks

  • it took 30 years for cardiologists to recognize the validity of that hypothesis

  • and test it. The reason was that it was proposed by a general practitioner, not by a cardiologist

  • and was published in a Journal that cardiologists don't think much of

  • now that's within the realm of medicine, imagine when information about these things

  • comes from more distant and more foreign sources

  • like shamans in exotic cultures

  • And I think this is what we really have to understand

  • that the reason that the drugs that we're interested in

  • provokes so much controversy

  • the reason that they've stimulated the kind of backlash that

  • has forded research and clinical use

  • is fundamentally emotional and irrational

  • it's not something you can deal with through argument and scientific information

  • It's a matter of changing the culture and attitudes

  • The problem with marijuana is that it has still not

  • outgrown its associations in this culture

  • with ousiders, deviants, subcultures that are not considered part of the mainstream

  • it entered north american society through two routes

  • through black jazz musicians in the south, New Orleans

  • through mexican migrant workers that came in through the southern border

  • in the 1950's it was associated with beatniks

  • then in the 60's with this massive counterculture that grew up

  • it's those associations of marijuana that cause mainstream America to react against it

  • and this continues to persist

  • I'm delighted to see that there is now opening in the world of psychedelic research

  • I mean something clearly has changed there

  • it hasn't yet changed with marijuana

  • that's unfortunate. I'm very disappointed that our president

  • has not done more to support the change in the medical marijuana list

  • applause

  • but we have an opening at the moment with psychedelics which

  • which is both surprising, welcome, is something we wanna work with and

  • and I'm very pleased to see the kinds of research that have been done

  • I also have to tell you that over the years as I've looked at the potentials and dangers

  • of psychedelic drugs and their possibilities for clinical applications

  • I've been somewhat puzzled by several things about it

  • first of all, in purely medical terms

  • these drugs, specially the indol psychedelics

  • have probably the least toxicity of any pharmacological agents that we now

  • as you know, there have been no deaths reported with LSD, directly caused by it's

  • pharmacological action, except in one elephant. I'm sure most of you know that horrible story

  • if not you can look it up

  • The striking absence of toxicity of these agents

  • combined with their tremendous power to alter perception, and the mind-body access

  • certainly recommends them for research in clinical use

  • but I have to tell you that I've been puzzled, by the way I should say that the other category of

  • psychedelics, the phenetilamines, have somewhat greater toxicity

  • because of their adrenergic stimulant properties

  • that puts them into a somewhat different class, but still these are quite safe agents

  • compared to most of the drugs that are routinely prescribed in medicine today

  • What puzzles me about psychedelic research over the years

  • in contrast with my own experience with them

  • is that almost all of it has focused on psychological potentials

  • initially with things like helping people with end-of-life issues, or with PTSD

  • my interest has always been in what we call the psychosomatic potential of these drugs

  • that is their potential to change bodily processes

  • and physical disease as a result of, or taking advantage of the mind-body connection

  • so, let me say a word about integrative medicine and the philosophy of medicine that I teach

  • and have always practiced

  • in the popular mind integrative medicine is

  • the intelligent combination of conventional and alternative medicine,

  • but really that's a very narrow definition of it, the much broader way of looking at it

  • which I firmly believe represents the future of medicine and a solution to our current health-care crisis

  • it's working fore some very big changes in conventional medical thinking

  • the first is to restore the focus of medicine on the health and healing

  • and to acknowledge, respect and take advantage of the human organism tremendous

  • potential for self-diagnosis and self-regulation, regeneration, repair, adaptation

  • to me that's the most wonderful feature of human biology, that our

  • bodies have the ability to know when they have suffered injury or damage

  • to repair themselves, and this is not mystical, this is biology

  • you can observe this on any level of biological organization, from DNA on up

  • the DNA is a huge macromolecule that's on the border between life and non-life

  • has the potential within it to know when it has been injured by an ultraviolet ray

  • and immediately begins to elaborate specific repair enzimes to repair the damage

  • and that same potential you can see whetter you look to organeles, cells, tissues, organs and

  • the whole organism, and that's where good medicine should start

  • The second broad principle of integrative medicine is our insistence that

  • human beings are more than physical bodies

  • we are also mental-emotional beings

  • spiritual entities, community members

  • those other dimensions of human life are incredibly relevant to understanding health and illness

  • if you cut them of and only look at the physical body

  • not only do you cut yourself of from an understanding of the real causes of health and illness

  • but you also limit your treatment interventions

  • to those directed at the physical body which are the ones that tend to be most expensive and

  • most invasive and most productive of harm and often quite limited in their ability to change

  • physical conditions. The third principle of integrative medicine is that

  • we pay attention to all aspects of lifestyle

  • to understand health and illness

  • and I think this is where integrative medicine really shines in delivering true preventive care

  • and health promotion, something that's very relevant to the health-care debate

  • that we're looking through

  • and also integrative medicine places great emphasis in the practitioner-patient relationship

  • which has suffered horribly in the present era for-profit medicine

  • throughout history and in most cultures

  • that relationship has been recognized as special, even sacred

  • something magical can happen when a medically trained person

  • sits with a patient and simply allows that person to tell their story

  • that alone can initiate a healing response before any specific treatment suggestions are given

  • and also over the years that has been the source of the greatest emotional reward of practicing medicine

  • and it's complete undermining in the era of manage caring for-profit medicine

  • is one reason why so many physicians today are unhappy and so many are leaving

  • or have left the practice of medicine

  • and then finally integrative medicine is willing to look at all therapeutic options out there

  • specially those that don't cause harm and show reasonable evidence of efficacy

  • there's so much that's not even on our radar screen of conventional medicine that we can bring in

  • among them the targeted use of psychedelic therapy