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  • It may be Sunday morning but Monday will be here all too soon.

  • For millions of us that used to mean heading to the office until the pandemic hit, forcing those who could to work from home.

  • As David Pogue shows us, it's an option many workers continue to embrace, even demand.

  • Until the pandemic, most office workers went into the office five days a week.

  • Furing the pandemic, they mostly worked from home so as the pandemic eased, you might have expected that they'd go back to the office 5 days a week .

  • That's certainly what Jamie Dimond expected. He's the CEO of America's largest bank.

  • We want people back at work and my view is sometime September, October, it'll look just like it did before.

  • As it turns out, the workers rushed back to the office full time never happened.  

  • What they really like, most people, is working from home two or three days a week because that saves on the commute time,

  • it gives them more time with kids and family; it gives them more personal autonomy and how they organize their day.

  • Even things as small as I can have the temperature at the temperature I like.

  • Steven Davis is a senior fellow at the Hoover institution at Stanford.  

  • He and his co-authors surveyed 30,000 Americans about work and what they said is hybrid hits the sweet spot.  

  • Most people really, really like it so that kind of broke the norm.

  • Of course, not all kinds of workers can work remotely even so, at this point, about a third of Americans are working on a hybrid schedule and that number is expected to grow as more employers go hybrid.

  • We believe that the future of work is hybrid for sure and that's going to be the modern work style.

  • Kelly Steckelberg is the Chief Financial Officer of Zoom.

  • Yes, that Zoom, the company whose video chat software helped make remote working a thing in the first place.

  • The company now expects its own local workers to come  into the office two days a week.

  • So we have product engineering for example comes on Mondays and Wednesdays.

  • Sales and marketing come on Tuesdays and Thursdays because we don't have enough space any longer to host everyone at the same time.

  • Oh, so you are in effect saving money on office space.

  • We are saving money, we have actually downsized our space during the pandemic.

  • We closed some of our offices.

  • Bringing the company's workers back after the pandemic, even two days a week was an adjustment at first.

  • We're all human, right? We don't like change.

  • Once they've been doing it for a few week, they remember how great it is to see their friends and colleagues in the office and and they like it more

  • Of course, less time in the office means less time for new hires to learn the company culture and less time to mentor younger workers.

  • You have to be a little bit more deliberate about that, then that's what we had to do during the pandemic.

  • I would just schedule a 15-minute like catch-up, "Hey, how are you? How is your life going?"

  • Those I make sure that I continue to schedule those video check-ins on a regular basis.

  • So if hybrid work is so great how come we weren't using it before?

  • One big reason: technology.

  • Video programs like Zoom; messaging programs like Slack and collaboration tools like Google Docs.

  • If the pandemic had struck 20 years earlier it would have been infeasible to have the same kind of shift to work from home.

  • Wow, I mean there aren't many things to be grateful for with the pandemic but that it waited and 2020 that's that's one of them.   

  • That's one of them.

  • Before the pandemic there was also a stigma about working from home. How could bosses know that their workers weren't just goofing off?

  • The boss can't observe what the workers are doing. To what degree are managers installing monitoring software on their remote workers machines?  

  • Most workers dislike the intrusive quality that I every key stroke and where I'm looking on my computer screen and how often I'm sitting down is being monitored.

  • They dislike that. - They dislike that, yes.

  • So what works better is evaluating people on their performance, rather than trying to watch exactly what they do.

  • So this was something that we developed over the last two years.

  • At Zoom headquarters, workspace executive Alana Collins showed me some of Zoom's new products for hybrid work.

  • There's an off-site receptionist who can cover multiple floors or even buildings.  

  • Are you the building wide receptionist?

  • I am. How can I help you?

  • Oh, I'm expecting a huge crate of Skittles. Can you arrange to have that delivered to my desk?

  • I absolutely can. - Thank you, love your work.

  • And there's a system for reserving a desk on the days you come to work or a conference room.   

  • Yeah, that's my kind of meeting. Two people, all right.

  • You could select the time right here. - Oh, okay.

  • Oh, yeah, oh, no. I I believe in long meetings.

  • And this will immediately change to red, letting everybody know that I have that meeting room all day.

  • But hybrid doesn't always mean two days a week. There are many flavors of hybrid work.

  • We identify 22 weeksyear and we say we would like folks to try to be in person those weeks.

  • It's 3 days a week but only every other week, kind of?

  • Generally, we would like them to be in person a minimum of about 25%.

  • At the Ohio headquarters of Smuckers, the company famous for jams and jellies, CEO Mark Smucker has developed a hybrid version of hybrid.  

  • Attrition is down and our productivity has improved and folks really seem to like it.

  • We have been able to retract new talent from multiple geographies.

  • Geographies like San Francisco.

  • I have my dream job, it's based in Ohio, working with people thatreally like working with but I'm I have my dream life and you know my family in California.

  • Smucker's marketing executive, Nicole Massey, works from her West Coast home most days but spends 6 daysmonth in Ohio.

  • You have to really think about what am I going to do this week when I'm in the office or versus what am I going to do when I'm remote,

  • because in order to get the best of bothyou have to you have to be intentional about it .

  • So let's see. The hybrid employer gets improved morale, better productivity, lower real estate costs and the ability to hire from beyond the local area.

  • The hybrid employee gets more time with family and community, less time commuting and the ability to control the thermostat.   

  • And the planet gets cleaner air because less time commuting means less polluting.

  • This is starting to sound like a win-win for all parties. I mean who loses in the hybrid arrangement?

  • Oh there are some losers. If you go to downtown San Francisco, you'll see you'll see the losers.

  • It's true. In the top 10 US cities, office attendance is about half of what it was before the pandemic.

  • With so few people coming downtown, everything is collapsingThe price of real estate, tax revenues and transit ridership.

  • And think about all the restaurants bars and hotels, many have shifted schedules or even closed.

  • The last time America's work life shifted so dramatically was during the Great Depression when Franklin Roosevelt signed the 40-hour work week into law.

  • Now, after the upheaval of the pandemic, Stanford Steven Davis is confident that the 5-day in-person work week is history.

  • I think we're close to the new normal. There's more choice for people now and that's why I think it's a good thing.

  • People have more flexibility, more personal autonomy in how they want to organize their lives.

It may be Sunday morning but Monday will be here all too soon.

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