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Welcome back, everyone.
Good afternoon, good evening, wherever you are.
I'm Derek Brower, the FT's US energy editor.
I'm in New York, so anybody joining me
on this side of the Atlantic, welcome.
One person who is, and I am delighted is joining us,
is the United States Secretary of Energy Jennifer Granholm
for the conference's last session.
Truly leaving the best last, I think.
I don't know about that.
Before we begin, a note of housekeeping.
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Madam Secretary, welcome.
Let's begin.
If I could I'd like to start with Europe
because a lot of our audience is there.
There's an energy crisis under way, as you know, in Europe.
Gas and electricity prices are at historic highs.
Do you blame Russia for this?
Well, we're certainly watching it.
I'll say this.
I just got back from Poland and met
with a number of the eastern and central European countries,
and there was a deep concern that there was withholding
of supplies and manipulation of the market
in order to demonstrate, if you will,
the indispensability of Russian gas as Germany
considers its Nord Stream 2 approvals.
However, I don't have information
to say that that is the case.
We are watching it very carefully.
Obviously, the US wants to make sure...
and there is a ripple effect in the United States, as well.
We are seeing natural gas prices shoot up also.
So we are undergoing a process internally
to the federal government just to let
you know to look at this issue and to make sure
that we're doing all we can, both here
and in Europe, to ensure that people
have the supplies they need.
Does that include the possibility
of investigating market manipulation by Gazprom
as the Polish government has called for?
Well, I know the Polish government was very concerned
about that as well.
Suffice it to say we're aware of the request.
We're aware of the fact that there does seem to be what...
well, I say a choke point and not as much supply.
But there are also, I understand -
and it's true in the United States, too -
this ramp-up after Covid takes a little bit more time than
people would like given how quickly winter is emerging.
And it is projected to be a bit of a colder winter.
So there are those issues.
Let me just say that we are looking at it.
It sounds...
I mean, those are fairly moderate comments.
It sounds like you're trying to cool some of the rhetoric.
Because some of your colleagues in Europe are talking about
this as an energy war almost.
We're in the grip of another energy war.
Do you fear that it could spiral into that?
I worry about that, certainly.
I mean, you don't want to see energy made into a weapon.
And the weaponisation of energy is a serious problem.
I'm not saying that is happening right now.
I am saying that we understand the concerns,
and that, given the enormous jack-up in prices,
there deserves to be special eyes on it,
and we are looking at it.
But at the moment, we don't have a conclusion on that.
Is there anything you think the US can do on the supply side,
for example, to help?
And I ask because the previous administration, as you know,
talked of freedom gas and so on helping to break Europe's
dependence on Russian gas.
Should the US, or can the US, send more gas right now?
Most of the cargoes that are sold in the spot market
seem to be bought by Asia right now,
and the market is sucking them in one direction
and not arriving in Europe.
Is there something more that the US
can do to help relieve Europe?
You know, again, we have an inter-agency process looking
at this.
I mean, as you know and as Europe knows, I mean,
we are in a position where we preside over a free market.
And so we don't own the means of supply
and we don't own the ability to direct.
And so the question is, what are the tools at our disposal
to make sure that there is supply
that's adequate both for Europe, as well as for the United
States.
I will say that our LNG supply at this moment
is almost to the cap of the existing capacity.
So you'd have to build out... even though new terminals are
authorised, they have not been built out yet.
It would take, obviously, some time for that
to happen to jack up additional supply.
So it's not as obvious of a solution
as one might otherwise think.
The capacity limits are almost reached.
Let me stay with the international mark
and ask about oil prices because WTI, West Texas Intermediate,
the US benchmark is near $80.
Brent is above $80.
Levels that some economists say will
start to slow the recovery, the economic recovery,
from the pandemic.
The administration has expressed its alarm
about gasoline prices, and President Biden
has talked about them.
Do you think Opec is doing enough?
Last week, they met, or earlier this week, they met.
And after the US asked for more supply
they stuck to their existing plan.
Is the Opec group of producers, Opec-Plus,
are they doing enough to cool what could be a damaging oil
price rally?
Well, I think that everybody was hoping
that there would be additional supply made available
so that prices would not be jacked up.
And the president, President Biden,
has made it clear that he wants Americans to have access
to affordable and reliable energy, obviously, at the pump,
but natural gas too.
The administration really is committed
to doing everything we can to make sure that everybody
is paying - that Americans are paying -
fair and affordable gas prices.
This is a similar problem, right?
We don't own our own gas supply or oil supply.
And so the market is what the market is.
Presidents don't control the cost of gasoline.
And we also are aware that we want
to move into a clean energy environment,
and that, while this transition occurs,
we want for people to not bear the cost of that
in terms of at the pump.
And the president, even in deciding
on how to pay for his big agenda in Congress,
he made it clear that raising gas taxes, for example,
is not on the table.
He drew a red line for that.
So he does not want to raise costs
on everyday people for anything.
And so, while we go through this transition,
he wants to incentivise the development
of clean technologies and clean fuel supplies
without having everyday citizens pay for the cost of that.
And the White House has said that all tools
- I think Jen Psaki said this earlier this week
- all tools are on the table in terms of trying
to deal with this price surge.
Does that include releasing oil from the Strategic Petroleum
Reserve, for example?
Yep, it's a tool, for sure.
And is that a possibility in the next coming weeks?
Well, it's a tool that's under consideration.
There are regularly scheduled sales already set.
A regularly scheduled sale set.
So that might provide some.
But again, it's very much marginal assistance
overall given the scope of the problems.
But nonetheless, that is a tool, and certainly the president
will consider that.
And possibly restricting exports.
Is that also on the table?
That's a tool that we have not used, but it is a tool as well.
And as I say, we have an intergovernmental process
that is going on.