Subtitles section Play video Print subtitles PROFESSOR ROBERT SHILLER: OK, good morning. Well, today I want to talk about what, to me, is a very interesting topic, and that is futures markets. Not very interesting to most people. Most people have no idea what they are. But I think that, well, futures markets, what we're really talking about is -- There are different ways of viewing it. Futures markets for things like agricultural commodities, or interest rates, or financial securities, are markets about the future. They're markets that, in some sense, predict the future. And future matters, right? We live a life. We have a long horizon. I said before, I think that your planning horizon must be at least a century, because you'll probably live that long anyway, with modern medicine. And you care about other people, too. So, the beauty of futures markets is that we have prices for the future. We talked already about forward markets. We talked about forward interest rates. And that is related to what we're talking about. Forwards and futures are similar concepts. Futures is the more precise concept. Or the more developed concept. And I'll explain the difference between forwards and futures. But just in a nutshell, futures markets are organized markets, like the stock market, that trade standardized contracts, representing things that will happen at future dates. And because they're standardized, they're worldwide. Everybody looks at them and uses them. Whereas forward markets are more specialized markets that, typically, are not as easy to interpret or as clear. So, futures markets are, in some sense, more fundamental and important. I have a particular interest -- I've been interested in futures markets myself for many years. And wondering, why they're not even bigger and more important. So, in 1993, I wrote a book called Macro Markets, about let's make our markets bigger and more important, and more pervasive. And I've been trying to do that. Notably, in 2006, I was working with the Chicago Mercantile Exchange, which is the biggest futures market in the world. And we created home price futures. And they've been trading now for five years. But I'm not really going to talk about them, because they have so far disappointed. They're not important, at least not yet. But I'm going to talk about some important futures markets. First, I want to put just a couple of definitions up. Futures, that's what we're going to talk about most in this lecture, and it has a special meaning in finance. And I was contrasting that to forwards. But both of these together are derivatives. And that means that the price in these markets derives from a price in some other market. There's a primary or underlying market, which has its own price. And then there's a derivative market that has a futures price or a forward price. I guess I'm speaking in kind of abstract terms. Well, let me just start -- I want to give you an example, and we'll see better what I'm talking about. But let me just first comment just on this word, derivatives. To people in finance, derivatives are an exciting development of financial markets. We start out with a simple market and we develop derivative markets, that add more detail and information than was in the underlying or primary market. That's exciting. I find it exciting. However -- I don't know how often you hear this word, derivative -- it's become a four-letter word. It's become an ugly word. Why is that? I think it's, because people blame the current financial crisis on derivatives, whether rightly or wrongly. And it's because, I think, there's a public anger about derivatives that is largely due to misunderstanding. I mentioned before that I think that finance tends to attract sociopaths. I mentioned that, I defined that for you. People who want to manipulate, and fool, and deceive people. But I don't think the financial community is particularly populated by sociopaths. You might think so, reading some accounts. But I think, it's not true. And I think, it's not true, because the financial community knows about this problem and ejects such people. They get caught. And you can't make a career in finance if you're a sociopath. So, if you think you have this problem, that you have sociopathic tendencies, I would advise you not to go into finance, because you will get caught and ejected. So, save yourself the trouble. Don't go into finance. Pick some field where you can't hurt anybody. And that would be a smart thing to do, if you have such a problem. So, I think we need to regulate derivatives markets, and that's what I'm talking about. And we need self-regulation of the markets themselves, but we need government regulation as well. But there's nothing evil about derivatives. And in fact, derivatives are fundamental to the way I think a modern economy works. So, I had you read an article -- I put it on an earlier section of the reading list -- by Charles Conant, who wrote a book in 1904 called Wall Street and the Country. And you should have read that by how. He starts out by saying, it's just amazing, how public opinion thinks that speculation is evil. And they don't understand that speculation is just business. I mean, business decisions involve guesses about the future. And so, when you have well-developed markets, these guesses become market prices. And so, the prices go into the calculations that everyone makes. And the calculations are just done better. Somehow, there's just a failure for most people to understand it. And I'm hoping in this lecture to try to give some more understanding of these markets. I think they're fascinating. Most people apparently don't, because you don't hear them brought up very much. I want to just say a little bit more about hostility toward derivative markets and futures markets, and speculation in general. In 1991, that was 20 years ago, I wrote a joint paper with a -- I don't remember whether I mentioned this, probably not -- with a Russian, a young man from Russia that I met when I was visiting the Soviet Union, just before the end of the Soviet Union. And we were talking about how antagonistic Russians are toward capitalism. And he said, this is a big problem. Russia just can't embrace capitalism. These people hate it. They hate the profit makers and the financiers. And I said to him, well, you know, it's the same in the U.S. How do you know it's any worse in Russia? And so, we decided to do a questionnaire survey. And I was going to read one of the questions, comparing people in Moscow and people in New York, to see, which one understands capitalism better. So, one of the questions that we had was the following -- We wrote these questions and translated them into Russian. And we tried to make them exactly the same questions between Russian and English. So, here's the question we asked in both cities: ''Grain traders in capitalist countries sometimes hold grain without selling it, putting it in temporary storage in anticipation of higher prices later. Do you think this speculation will cause more frequent shortages of flour, bread and other grain products? Or will it cause such shortages to become rarer?'' What do you think, people