The more hostile turnover I was involved in was Bill Clinton coming in for George H.

W.

Bush and I ran.

That entire transition was a very friendly transfer of power, even though it was done under the hostile conditions, often a defeated president running for his second term, not winning and, ah young, upstart governor of Arkansas coming in to replace him.

But, uh, he didn't want to get into a full scale Preston.

But the tone was set at the top, and President George H.

W.

Bush made sure we were all very cooperative.

That was, I think, a model transition from a one term president to a new president when the one term president had hoped he would have a second term way, even though we had a contested election with Vice President Gore back in 2000.

Out of professional respect and courtesy, I think, by and large, the staffer or courteous to each other, from Bill Clinton to George W.

Bush was definitely more challenging.

There were some sophomore pranks that were played on the White House staff when they showed up.

Yes, there were many computers had drilled out the W and the W's had been taken off the keyboards is sort of a tease or taunt to me, but by and large they're very friendly and they're very peaceful because I think people recognized regardless of party affiliation.

It's about the country, and it's not about you.

And there was some telephones that had been switched around, so if you went to call, one office rang in a different office.

But I viewed those is kind of fraternity pranks.

It was disruptive, but it wasn't dangerous.

George H.

W.

Bush was definitely disappointed that he didn't win reelection and he was depressed.

Here's the way way See it in the country should see it that the people have spoken.

But at the same time, he was celebrating our democracy, and he knew the mark of a great democracy is its ability to transition from one leader to another leader, even though he didn't want that transfer it toe happen.

I just called the Governor Clinton over in Little Rock and offered my congratulations on one of the occasions I asked him, Mr President, how did it feel?

Thio lose the presidency?

And he looked at me and he said I felt like I let my family down.

I felt like I left my supporters down, but I felt that I did everything I could for the country.

And it was such a personal and interesting an intimate conversation with him that he worried more about those around him than he worried about the impact of losing the presidency.

Is it related to him personally?