my previous video on how to upgrade pancake mix,

video's up there,

you would know that I learned a lot of tips and tricks

from chef Neil Kleinberg from Clinton St. Baking Co.

Neil Kleinberg: Don't make them too big,

'cause then they're gonna run into each other.

Herrine: So, the first time I had the famous pancakes

at Clinton St. was back in February,

and they were phenomenal.

Wow.

This restaurant in New York City

is famous for its pancakes.

People normally wait hours just to get a taste.

So, I thought it'd be a great idea

for you pancake fans out there

to make another video

including all those extra bonus tidbits.

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Hi! Y'all are upstate now?

Neil: Yeah, you're in Cape Cod?

Herrine: Yes, it's so much -

Neil: I see the ocean in the background.

Herrine: That is the marsh,

and then Neil: No, I'm joking. [laughs]

up front

is the beach.

Ready to talk pancakes?

Neil: Sure.

Herrine: The first method that I tried

was just adding ginger ale

instead of water.

Have you ever done that, or have you ever

heard of that kind of [both laughing] tactic?

Neil: Is this a spoof or put-on or what?

Herrine: The next thing I did was make

a pancake breakfast casserole.

So I basically used the pancake mix

as, like, the binding factor for a casserole

that had bacon and cheddar cheese and eggs in it.

Neil: [laughs] That sounds like a nightmare.

I would keep those items separate.

I would make the pancakes and then not do a casserole

but do a side of scrambled eggs with cheddar in it

and a side of bacon and then call it day.

Herrine: Honestly tasted kind of like a McGriddle,

if you can believe it.

Neil: I don't even know what a McGriddle is.

Herrine: What do you recommend I make with the pancake mix?

Neil: I think we should make the Clinton St.

famous blueberry pancakes at home

using a box mix,

and this is the way I would do it.

If you're gonna get a mix,

get something that has

the basic dry ingredients in a regular pancake mix

that you're making from scratch,

flour, sugar, salt, baking powder, baking soda.

Herrine: The only pancake mix that I was able to find,

which was difficult in and of itself,

was this one. Have you ever seen it?

Neil: Oh, Krusteaz!

Never heard of it.

[Herrine laughs]

Herrine: We're looking at things like

thiamin mononitrate, riboflavin,

soybean oil, egg whites, and buttermilk.

Neil: OK, well, that's not bad.

Those things are dried,

so they took those items and they kind of

[sucks air] [clucks] dried them,

so you have everything in a mix.

And we're going to,

with a mix,

embellish and make them really, really

as good-tasting and as good-looking as we possibly can.

Now, the key in making something delicious

from a box of something

is to add things to it to enhance the flavor,

the texture, and the way they come out.

Herrine: What kind of ingredients

would you recommend me adding to this

to zhuzh it up?

Neil: Sour cream, maybe.

Maybe some regular buttermilk.

Maybe enhance it, because it has dried buttermilk in it,

something fatty

that's gonna give it a luxurious flavor.

So, whatever the instructions are on the mix,

you're gonna follow them.

But you're also gonna add,

what does it say on that box?

Herrine: It's just adding in cold water.

Neil: No, you should add the cold water,

and then you should add some buttermilk

if you can find it.

Take 1/3 a cup of water out,

and in place of it, add 1/3 cup of buttermilk.

If you can't find buttermilk,

then take 1/3 cup of a spoon of sour cream

with a little regular milk mixed in.

You should wind up with 2/3 cup of liquid.

You can add an extra egg.

It will make it much richer.

Herrine: Would it be too much

if I added some vanilla extract in there

or, like, some cinnamon?

Neil: You know, extract would be fine.

Cinnamon, eh, then you're gonna

turn the pancakes a color by adding cinnamon.

If you wanna do anything at the end, you know,

if you're making sliced bananas in the pancakes

and you wanna sprinkle some cinnamon sugar

over the top at the end,

that's perfectly fine.

But if you add any spices that are dark to the batter,

you're gonna have a dark batter,

and then they're not gonna look that great.

Herrine: And if I were to put in vanilla extract,

just a little, like, cap?

Neil: Yeah, a cap. That goes a long way,

and it won't color the batter.

Herrine: So, let batter stand for two minutes.

Neil: OK, perfect.

There should still be lumps in the batter.

And then you let it rest.

Herrine: What is the purpose of letting it rest?

Neil: Well, you're letting it rest

so you can pull the flavors together

and you can actually form a batter.

And if you go too quick in the pan,

then the molecules of the liquid and the dry

won't have a chance to meld.

Well, the best way to cook the pancakes

is to have a flat surface,

preferably a grill

or a large cast-iron pan

or a large flat pan

that doesn't have sloped sides.

Herrine: I'm trying to think, like,

what I have in my arsenal right now.

I do not have a skillet. I do not have a griddle.

I have, like, a large

saucepan.

Neil: OK.

That's fine. Herrine: OK. [laughs]

Neil: So, get the large saucepan hot

by turning on the flame

and then lowering the flame so it's hot to the touch,

like, a bead of water

would bubble up on it. [pan sizzles]

Herrine: I think it's definitely hot enough.

Neil: Then, at that point,

add a generous amount of butter,

like a pat of butter,

maybe 1/2 a tablespoon or something like that

and swirl it around the pan

till it starts to get foamy but not brown.

That's the point at which you're gonna put

a spoon or a ladle full of pancake mix in the pan.

A key characteristic of a great pancake

is to have that golden ring around it

when you first flip it,

and in order to to get that,

you have to put enough fat on the pan.

If you have a large pan like you're describing at home,

kind of use that large pan as a clock.

Start the first pancake at 12 o'clock,

then the next one at 3 o'clock,

then the next one at 6 o'clock,

and then the next one at 9 o'clock.

Don't make them too big

'cause then they're gonna run into each other.

Then let it cook, medium heat.

Herrine: How many times should I flip the pancakes?

Neil: Never flip them more than once.

Herrine: Why is that?

Neil: They're gonna become tough,

and they're gonna get burnt.

They're not gonna cook properly.

Let the pancake cook.

You'll start to see the bubbles come up.

That's the point at when you add your filling.

Remember when we did them together at the restaurant,

we put a good amount of butter on them,

clarified butter and some whole butter,

so that the pancake would get a nice golden ring around it?

When the cake is kind of halfway cooked,

when you could actually peek under it with a spatula

and see that is a golden brown edge

and the bubbles start to form on the top,

that's when you add blueberries.

We use wild Maine blueberries that have a very short season,

but we get them frozen.

And they're wonderful frozen because they're tiny

and they pack full of flavor.

You should get them,

and then sprinkle them into the pancake

while they're on the griddle.

If you can't find those,

then the cultivated regular frozen blueberries

are really good.

Actually, frozen fruit is really good in a pancake

because they don't overcook

and they cook into the batter

and they hold their shape really well.

And if you can't find that,

then fresh blueberries are always around.

Herrine: Definitely sweeter than your regular blueberries.

Is there, like, a rule of what's too much?

Neil: Yeah, it's too much if they're not,

you know, spaced out correctly,

and then the pancake itself is not gonna cook properly.

And then with a spatula just flip each one

and then don't push it down,

and then in about a minute or two

they should be cooked on the bottom.