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  • Hey, it’s Marie Forleo and you are watching MarieTV. The place to be to create a business

  • and life you love.

  • Got a question for you today. Have you ever felt like you have a ton of potential inside,

  • but youre not able to fully actualize it out into the world?  My next guest says that

  • the key to really unleashing your power, your voice, and your self respect lies in one simple

  • decision that you can make right now.

  • We are about to talk with one of my favorite authors of all time, Mr. Steven Pressfield,

  • about his new book called Turning Pro. I absolutely love it, I think that every human being on

  • the planet should read it, and let’s talk to him right now and learn why...

  • Alright everyone, welcome. I am here with, as I told you, the amazing author of Turning

  • Pro, Mr. Steven Pressfield. And as youll notice, my book cover is like all cranked

  • out. Steven, I’ve had this book at the beach, I can’t even tell you how many people have

  • stole it from me, there’s like highlights, there’s sand in this book.

  • Ah, great.

  • I absolutely love it. So I’ve built up this book which, again, no hype, everyone on the

  • planet should read this. Let’s talk about what turning pro really means. What does turning

  • pro mean to you?

  • The... there are a lot of us out there, including me in the past, who are amateurs, who are

  • living their lives as amateurs. And it’s somebody that wants to be a writer but only

  • dabbles once in awhile and, you know, puts a few words down. Somebody who wants to shoot

  • a film, somebody who wants to be a painter, somebody who wants to be an entrepreneur,

  • and doesn’t really get it going. And my... I think a lot of times when we try to ask

  • ourselves, “Well, what’s... what’s wrong? What’s happening that I... won’t let me

  • do this?” We can blame ourselves, you know, we think that there’s something wrong with

  • us or were sick or we have neurotic tendencies or whatever. My instinct about the whole thing

  • is to forget all that stuff and just look at it from the prism of are we a pro or are

  • we an amateur? And if were a professional, then we don't accept any excuses from ourselves.

  • You know? And when the day comes and when we wake up in the morning and we don't feel

  • like doing whatever it is we know we need to do, a professional gets up and does it.

  • You know, Kobe Bryant goes to the gym, Lebron James goes to the gym every... a pro does

  • what he has to do. Whereas an amateur will crap out along the way, you know, theyre

  • a weekend warrior, blah, blah, blah. So the whole point of the book, Turning Pro, is to

  • try to make... to encourage people to make that switch in their mind. It doesn't cost

  • any money, you don't have to buy any product, you don't have to take any course, nobody

  • gets rich off you or anything like that, you know?

  • Right, right.

  • You just change your mind from being... from being a pro to being an amateur. I’ll tell

  • you a little story that we haven’t even talked about, Marie. I had a woman friend

  • a few years ago who took up golf. And, you know, people get bitten by the golf bug and

  • they just go crazy. Right?

  • Yeah.

  • And she had been playing for about a month and she was absolutely terrible of course

  • as anybody would be. So she invited me to come out and play golf with her, and when

  • I showed up at the golf course she was decked out from head to toe. She had the beautiful

  • shoes, she had the beautiful visor, and she was terrible. It was terrible. And I said,

  • What’s the story Kathy?” You know? And she said, “You know what Steve? I’ve

  • decided to think of myself as a pro.” She said, “I know I stink. I know I suck. I

  • know it’s gonna take me years. But I am gonna take this seriously. I’m gonna have

  • the right gear,” and she had got herself on a program of lessons, a program of practice,

  • you know, where she put in X number of hours a day, and she was practicing the way a pro

  • practices. In other words, not just doing the fun things, the glamorous things...

  • Right.

  • ...but the boring stuff. You know? The 3 foot putts and things like that. And, of course,

  • within 9 months she was a good golfer. Now she’s a terrific golfer. But I remember

  • when she... when I first heard that from her I thought, “Wow, that is really a wild idea.”

  • And so that’s an example of just somebody who just put the mindset in and, “I’m

  • not gonna be a dingle at times. I’m not gonna be a dabbler. I may be no good, but

  • I’m gonna commit to this full time,” and she did. And that... so that’s what turning

  • pro is.

  • I love this idea, and I have to tell you, you know, you know I’m a huge fan of The

  • War of Art, I’m a huge fan of Do the Work as well. And weve done interviews in the

  • past, which well put links below for all of you guys if this is your first time hearing

  • Steven and I talk together, and I remember being struck in The War of Art by the idea

  • of turning pro. And actually, I’ve taught and talked about it, always crediting you

  • of course and like pimping out your book right and left, because that... the singular concept

  • of turning pro, it’s magical. It really is magical and it informs everything that

  • you do. One of the things...

  • Let me interrupt you, Marie. I know we were talking about this before.

  • Yeah.

  • Did you have a moment of turning pro? And if so, what was it?

  • You know, I feel like much like you, which when you read the book you guys will know

  • this, there was probably several moments and then there was a period where I was like,

  • “I gotta do this.” You know? And it was like a training ground. And I think when I

  • first started out and I knew that coaching and personal development and business growth,

  • they were passions of mine and I knew I had a message to share but I wasn’t quite sure

  • how it was all gonna fit together. You know, I was bartending a lot, that’s how I earned

  • enough money to get my business going during the day. And I was writing my newsletters

  • but I thought they were crap, which I'm sure they probably were, but I was just putting

  • them out there and I feel like I was almost like... I was like a baby pro where I would

  • do the minimum work that I needed to do, but then I had so much fear and self doubt and,

  • you know, I was in my early 20s. And I would at the end of the night of bartending sometimes

  • totally drink too much and be out until like 3 or 4 in the morning. You know what I mean?

  • So it was like I would have these levels of little wins and then I think it almost...

  • there was like too much energy or I couldn't handle it or I wasn’t willing to just really

  • stay there and I would self sabotage a bit. And I think...

  • Well was there actual moments that you...

  • That I decided that this was it?

  • ...suddenly decided?

  • You know, I feel like it was... I don’t remember like an exact moment, but I do remember

  • a specific period in my life and it was when I met my fiance Josh who I’m with today,

  • weve been together for almost 10 years. And there was something around that period

  • of meeting him when I really took ownership of my gifts and I stopped screwing around.

  • And it was about that time that while I never had like a problem with drinking, the partying

  • kind of went away.

  • Uh huh.

  • Do you know what I mean?

  • Exactly.

  • Like, doing those stupid things that just throw you off track, those things kind of

  • melted away. And that was the time when I, not coincidentally, started making more money,

  • started receiving, you know, some opportunities that never seemed to happen before. Things

  • started lining up when I feel like I met him, I owned my gifts, there was something that

  • kind of settled in myself. And while nothing started coming along easily, there was something

  • that changed in me and it was something about... again, it was around that partying idea of

  • not like just saying, “Oh well, you know, who cares? I’ll just stay out all night.”

  • Or... you know what I mean? “I don't need to get to that newsletter in the morning,

  • I can push it off to next week.” Like, I stopped doing those things.

  • I mean, in a way what youre doing now, Marie, is sort of a form of partying, but

  • it’s kind of positive partying. You know?

  • That’s totally right.

  • So it’s not as though you went from A to Z, it’s just you sort of changed the metaphor

  • a little bit. You know? Where you made it direct instead of indirect.

  • Yeah, and I think it was also too, you know, you talk about this in the book a little bit

  • where, you know, you change how you treat your body, you change when you go to sleep,

  • you change when you wake up, you change just how you approach everything when youre

  • a pro. And there’s this sense, for me in my experience, of just reverence and honoring

  • the fact that I'm here for a reason and I make a difference to other people and that

  • that’s important. You know what I mean?

  • Yeah.

  • And I can't just, you know, flitter that away. And so that...

  • Well there’s a story, we were talking about this earlier, in Turning Pro that I stole

  • from Rosanne Cash’s wonderful memoir called Composed, and it’s sort of her moment of

  • turning pro. And it takes a few minutes to tell the story, but I’m gonna tell it. It

  • was a dream that she had. And at this time, I think it was like the late 80s, and she

  • already was a success. In fact, she had an album out called King’s Record Shop that

  • had 4 number one songs off of it. And... but something didn’t feel right to her in her

  • life. Now one night she had a dream, and in the dream she was sitting... she was at a

  • party and she was sitting on a couch next to Linda Ronstadt who had alway been kind

  • of an idol of hers and she had always admired Heart Like a Wheel, the great records that

  • Linda Ronstadt did back in the 70s. And in between the two of them was an older man named

  • Art, very important, and Art was talking very animatedly to Linda. And Rosanne wanted to

  • kind of break into the conversation. She tried to, and Art just turned around to her in the

  • dream and gave her this withering look of disdain and non interest and just said, “We

  • don’t talk to dilettantes.” And Rosanne said she woke up... she woke up and she was

  • just shattered to the core and she realized that it was true. That even though she had

  • had these number one hits that she’d always thought of herself as a songwriter, but she’d

  • only written 4 songs on this album and they were not the big songs. So she said from that

  • day forward, just like you just were saying about how it changed when you wake up in the

  • morning...

  • Yes.

  • ...she said she changed everything about her life. She got her singing teachers that she’d

  • never, you know, real technique teachers that she had never done before. She said she started

  • training like an athlete. She had began reading a much broader scope of all different kinds

  • of art. She began studying painting so she could see what a non verbal, non musical medium

  • was.

  • Yup.

  • And kind of the... and she... even her marriage broke up over this kind of thing, or at least

  • eventually.

  • Right.

  • And she just decided, “I have to... I’ve been an amateur. I may have had success, but

  • it doesn't feel good to me.” And so she’s kind of totally committed to songwriting and

  • learning and she felt, she said, like she went back to being very young, like a beginner.

  • Yes.

  • And that was where she wanted to be. And I forgot what the last line of the thing...

  • something like, “I traded the morphine sleep of success for the livewire world of the artist.”

  • So that was... that to me is like a great turning pro moment in a dream, didn't even

  • have to be, you know, like waking up drunk in a gutter somewhere or something.

  • Yeah.

  • It was just a dream, so...

  • I love that. That’s one of my favorite stories in the book and I think one of the other ones,

  • and I’d love to ask you about this, you know, you talk about the moment in New York

  • City for you when you were driving a cab and youre in an apartment and you just couldn't

  • take it anymore and you had to write. And then what I loved, and you painted this picture

  • so beautifully, was like you wrote for a little while, and if I remember correctly it wasn't

  • like it was necessarily any good but you didn't care, you just actually had beat resistance

  • and you sat down and you wrote. And then you almost found yourself just like cleaning the

  • dishes, like, dirty dishes that were in there for like 10 days and you were whistling. It

  • was like something had broken through. You had broken through your resistance.

  • Yeah, that was kind of my sort of moment. It wasn’t as much fun as Roseanne's moment,

  • but that was preceded by my trying for years to write novels and always crapping out at

  • them on the one yard line. You know? And exploding my life, self sabotaging, and all that. And

  • I’d reached the point where the idea of sitting down at a typewriter was like just...

  • to me was like shooting myself in the head.

  • Right.

  • But this one particular night I just, like you were talking about partying, I just kinda

  • sat there and I thought, “Well, who can I call? Where can I go? What can I drink?

  • What can I smoke?” You know?

  • Right.

  • And finally I just said, “I just can’t do this.” And I sat down for 2 hours typing...

  • terrible, so I just threw it away. You know? But that wasn’t the point. It was just...

  • when I was finished, I actually felt ok and that was why when I was washing the dishes

  • after that I discovered I was whistling, which I never whistled. You know? I thought, “I

  • feel ok.” And that was... kinda told me I was gonna be ok from then on even if it

  • might take me another 30 years to do anything good, at least that I was gonna be ok. So

  • that was my kind of... that was my moment.

  • That was really cool. And then you wrote about, in another section in the book, about your

  • year of turning pro. And what I loved about that, and I’d love to chat about that for

  • a moment, is, you know, this idea of turning pro, it’s a decision that we make in a moment,

  • yet it’s a decision that we have to recommit to each and every day and develop that habit.

  • So how was that year for you?

  • That’s exactly... you hit the nail on the head there, Marie. Because there is... there’s...

  • it’s like a moment of saying, “I’m not gonna drink anymore.” Right? You go, “Oh

  • wow! This is fantastic!” But then the next day, you know... so I... for me, I... my white

  • whale was to finish a book. To take it from page 1 to the end, which I never had been

  • able to do. So I saved up all my money, the short version of it, and I moved to a little

  • town in northern California and I just had a year where I didn’t see anybody. I had,

  • like, you know, no sex, no sports, no TV, no music. I was like Rocky. I would get up

  • in the morning, I’d have a breakfast of liver and eggs. You know? And it was just

  • me and my little cat, my cat Mo, and... but it was great because it was a year when I’d

  • had no distractions and I could just focus day after day after day. And when you do that,

  • as you know, you know, energy concentrates around you and you become really a different

  • person.

  • Yeah.

  • And when I finally actually did finish it... and it never sold. You know? And the two books

  • after that didn't sell either. But at that... in that year, I really knew that I had become

  • a pro, that I could do it. You know? And so it’s great beyond that initial breakthrough

  • to be able to establish the habits of a professional instead of the habits of an amateur.

  • Yeah. And I...

  • The amateur’s habit is as soon as any adversity shows up, the amateur just falls out. Right?

  • But the pro, when adversity shows up, keeps going and just builds that as a habit...

  • Yes.

  • ...and many, many, many other habits like that.

  • Yeah, I love that. And it reminds me too of the story you told in the beginning about

  • your friend where she bought all her gear. Like, I love that! Just, you know, getting

  • on the gear and going, “I am committed to this.” You know, “The bumps are gonna

  • come, the obstacles are gonna come, but a professional doesn’t run away. A professional

  • stays, does the work, gets it done, shows up the next day, here we go again.”

  • And actually, Marie, that leads to another really important concept here I think is that

  • when my friend bought all this golfing gear, she really put herself on the line. She put...

  • there was risk now because she was lousy. People would say, “What an idiot out there

  • dressing like, you know, Annika Sorenstam, but can’t hit the ball off the tee.”

  • Right.

  • So it’s the same thing when you mentally... I think a lot of the... the reason why a lot

  • of people remain amateurs is it’s a way of protecting yourself where you say, “Ok,

  • I failed but, you know, it was because I didn’t really try that hard.”

  • Right.

  • You know, “If I really had tried, I couldve done it.” You know?

  • Right.

  • So when you commit in your mind as a professional, now if you fail youre gonna really feel

  • it. You know, you say, “Man, I gave it everything I had and I still...” But, of course, the

  • real answer to that is that it doesn't work that way. Once you commit, you get so much

  • power out of that that even if you fail, you just dust yourself off you say, “Hey, that

  • was just one shot. I’m gonna try it again.” And youve established the habits of a professional

  • and that’s the most important thing. Success in my opinion, will come over time if you

  • just have, you know, make it... create a practice for yourself in whatever it is and just keep

  • doing it, keep doing it, dedicate yourself to it. Take it seriously.

  • Yeah. No, I love it. I seriously... I’ve reread your books I don't know how many times.

  • Theyre like soul vitamins to me. It’s really good. So, one of the things you talk

  • about on page 73 in Turning Pro, which I think is so vital and it’s something I hear from

  • our community all the time, is what happens when you turn pro in terms of who you spend

  • time with and who wants to spend time with you. And how everything starts to shift, or

  • can start to shift, underneath your feet when you start making these changes. Did you experience

  • that in your own life? Like, was there...

  • Absolutely, and I see it in other friends of mine as I watch them kind of turn pro.

  • Yeah.

  • And... I don't know. Did you ever see the movie a couple years ago called The Fighter?

  • With Mark Wahlberg...

  • Yes.

  • ...as a boxer?

  • Love, love.

  • That’s like a classic story of this guy who has real talent as a fighter and his entire

  • family is just sabotaging him. You know, his mom is his manager, his brother is this crazy,

  • you know, ex fighter. Everybody’s just trying to bring him down because his success would

  • be a reproach to them.

  • Yes.

  • Because they... So when you turn pro, if youre a writer and you suddenly start to really

  • write, your friends are gonna try to sabotage you. You know? I hate to say it, but even

  • the people closest to you because they like you just the way you are. You know? They like

  • you, you know, getting stoned with them or whatever amateur habits you have.

  • Yes.

  • And if you suddenly start taking something seriously, theyre not gonna like it. I

  • have a friend right now who is really kind of committing as a writer, and he has some

  • friends who are kind of wealthy and what theyre doing to him, it’s amazing to see, he’s

  • totally aware of it, they keep inviting him to Hawaii and to, you know... You know? And,

  • you know, they would never talk to it, but theyre trying to sabotage him. You know?

  • Right.

  • And he’s actually struggling with confronting them and making them take him seriously. You

  • know? Theyre gonna have to switch how they see him. And so, yeah, when you turn professional,

  • there’s some people that you have in your life now that youre not gonna be able to

  • have.

  • Right. If...

  • But youll make new friends.

  • That’s right. That’s really right.

  • New friends come into your life and they recognize your commitment and, you know, the universe

  • draws them to you and draws you into them.

  • Yeah, it’s so...

  • Have you found that, Marie, yourself?

  • Oh my goodness, well I’ve found just naturally... and I think, you know, one important note,

  • for me at least this has been my experience. It’s hardest always in the beginning. And

  • once you kind of make that switch and you turn pro and this becomes your lifestyle and

  • it’s consistent for the most part, it’s like it’s only that initial shift that’s

  • hard. You know? But once...

  • Yeah.

  • Now, for me, I would say, you know, I’m probably at least 10 years in. I don't have

  • anyone in my life, thank God. I’m like knocking on everything. Like, they fully get who I

  • am. They fully get I’m committed and if I say no to a social engagement or I say,

  • No, you know, I gotta get home early. I’ve got, you know, this thing were creating

  • in the morning. We have, you know, two days of shooting MarieTV in the morning.” Like,

  • they get it, they honor that. Youre like, “Girl, get home. You gotta get home and

  • do your thing.” And, you know, it’s... there’s a blessing there. But I think it

  • was... I think it’s more so in the beginning, you know, if youve had kind of habits going

  • for a while and youve had a crew of friends or people are just used to you treating yourself

  • a certain way and then all of a sudden you change, it’s like that transition period

  • I think is the hardest. And for me...

  • Youre absolutely right. Yeah.

  • Yeah. But then once you kind of master your new posse and your new crew and you kind of

  • become that different person, you don't really have to deal with it as much. You don't seem

  • to even...

  • Sure, if you have people that now try to enter your life and you can sort of see that theyre

  • not gonna be good for you. Am I right? And you kind of block them out right away and

  • don’t take the hook and get involved in any way.

  • That’s 100% right. I think it’s also really important as creators, right, to take a look

  • at that through even opportunities. You know, sometimes people... I’m sure youll have

  • opportunities come into your email box or your agents or anyone and say, “Hey, would

  • you like to get involved in this project?” Or, “Hey, would you like to come to this

  • conference?” Or, you know, “Do this or speak here...”

  • Youre absolutely right. These opportunities can really be traps.

  • Yes.

  • If it’s not the right opportunity.

  • Yes. And I think that that’s another form of it where, you know, things can look shiny

  • on paper or look like theyll be like this great big thing for you, but when youre

  • a pro and when you have your priorities straight... there’s this great quote that I love, you

  • know, “Priorities equal prosperity.” I think it’s by a woman named Michelle Singletary.

  • Wow.

  • When your priorities are clear, everything else becomes really simple. You know? All

  • of those opportunities, you don't feel like theyre shiny object that could save you

  • because...

  • Yeah.

  • ...you know your path, you know your method of creation, and you know what’s gonna get

  • you the results that you want. The spiritual results, the, you know, creative results,

  • the satisfaction, the work that youre meant to do.

  • Yeah. Yeah. Very, very true. And as these opportunities appear... I’ve been struggling

  • with this myself. You know? The last couple of years where things come in and, like you

  • say, shiny objects. You go, “Ooh, wow. That really sounds great.” You know? And then

  • you take... you say yes to a few of these things and then you get into it and you go,

  • Oh my God, why did I do this?” You know? And you sort of begin to define yourself in...

  • like that quote on priorities, you kind of ask yourself, “What is important to me?”

  • You know?

  • Yes.

  • Is making a quick, you know, few thousand dollars important? No, it’s not. You know?

  • Or... and so it is a process of evolution, of understanding who you are and what is important

  • to you.

  • Speaking of that, this is the perfect segway to I think talking about your publishing company.

  • Right? With your partner Sean, Black Irish Books. One of the things I found fascinating

  • when we were having our email exchange, I didn't realize that Turning Pro... that you

  • guys published this yourself. And I know that youve done so many things, I mean, screenplays

  • and other types of books and movies and everything. But now you have both the experience with

  • traditional publishing and self publishing. Talk to us a little bit about that. What...

  • why did you make that choice?

  • Well, I’m not sure, Marie, if my experience will apply to a lot of other people because

  • the... right now I’m working on a big book and I’m doing it with a traditional publisher.

  • And I always would do that.

  • Yeah.

  • And I’m only a believer in self publishing in... for... like for me, for The War of Art

  • and for Turning Pro, because it makes sense for me on those books.

  • Yup.

  • The reason is that I was getting screwed so badly by the publisher of... which everybody

  • does because the share that the author gets is so small.

  • Right.

  • It was a no brainer when The War of Art had a 10 year contract, and when it ended Sean

  • said to me, my partner, said, “Let’s just republish this ourselves. So instead of getting

  • 35 cents a copy, well get 3.50 a copy.” You know?

  • Yay!

  • Instead of on the ebooks where we get, like, nothing a copy, we get, you know, at

  • least a certain amount.” So that was pretty important and it’s great fun to do it, you

  • know, to have control. It’s not that difficult and I’m sure you know this yourself.

  • Yeah.

  • Books or to do ebooks, it’s not that hard. It’s just a matter of, you know, hooking

  • up with the right people that know how to do the technical stuff. But I’m not... I’m

  • not sure I could really give advice to someone like a first time novelist or a first time

  • writer that’s nonfiction.

  • That’s ok.

  • It certainly...

  • I think it’s just interesting and cool that we have these possibilities today. Right?

  • Absolutely. And if you don't mind giving up the dream of making a fortune, if youre

  • willing to sort of live out in a long tail, you know, where you don't sell so many but

  • where you control your own destiny, then there’s a lot to be said for this kind of thing. I

  • have a niece, my niece Laura is like 22 years old and she has written 4 books that are in

  • the kind of Twilight, in that area.

  • I love that series.

  • Tales of Arabia: The Last Witch, Laura Freeman. And she publishes it herself and she’s got

  • a following. And so, you know, she’s not getting rich, but it’s certainly something

  • that she’s out there so somebody could discover her. So I’m all in favor of the various

  • entry of falling a lot, but I don't think youre gonna get rich doing it. It’s not

  • the answer to anything. You still... it’s gotta be great for it to get out there, whatever

  • it is, or a song or an album or whatever... film.

  • Yeah. No it’s... I think it’s awesome. I’ve done both as well. I’ve done the...

  • I actually started off self publishing my book and then wound up selling it to McGraw

  • Hill and really grateful because it’s in like 11 languages, but people have been...

  • Good for you.

  • Thank you! For the past few years like, “Marie, where’s your next book? Where’s your next

  • book?” And I have so much fun with video and I create digital courses and digital programs

  • where it’s like, I have complete control. I can be the crazy creator that I am and no

  • one is telling me what I can or can’t put on any cover. Like, it’s just...

  • Yeah.

  • And I think there’s many of us out there that, you know, this is a really exciting

  • time to live in and, you know, what’s really cool is you don't necessarily have to choose.

  • You can live in both worlds or several worlds and use it in a way that works best for the

  • content, for the medium, and, you know, strike the deals that are gonna make the most sense

  • for everybody.

  • The other thing that nobody talks about about self publishing is that you... when youre

  • published by a mainstream company, or I’m sure this is true if youre on a label if

  • youre a band or something like that, there’s certain things, a lot of things, they won't

  • let you do to promote your own stuff. For instance, they won't let you give away stuff.

  • They won't let you give away the book or give away the song because their model is the scarcity

  • model...

  • Right.

  • ...where it’s everything... when you give away everything you don’t sell.

  • Right.

  • Well I’m completely from the other school which is the real problem is anonymity. Nobody

  • knows youre there. So if you give away 10,000 units at least 10,000 people now know

  • who you are or have heard of the thing. So that’s a real... it’s beyond just having...

  • controlling your cover art or anything like that. It’s... youre allowed to do, to

  • work for yourself.

  • Yes.

  • Because it won't let you do it.

  • I think... have you also too, one of the other things that always struck me as a little odd

  • and I got a little protective was the fact that I wasn't gonna own my own content. I

  • was like, “What are you talking about? I wrote it!” I was like I really would like

  • to be able to do other stuff with it because I think it’s good and, you know...

  • Yeah.

  • ...a lot of the older traditional deals sometimes it’s, you know, that’s what youre selling

  • them is your content and if you have creative ideas about how you’d like to turn it multimedia

  • or other things, it can just get really hairy. And I always say I’m like, “I am such

  • a control freak.” People always tell me on MarieTV, theyre like, “Don’t you...

  • why aren’t you on regular television? Don’t you want your own TV show?” I’m like,

  • “I have my own TV show, it’s this. I can control anything I want, I can say anything

  • I want, and we can do anything we want.” Not to say that, you know, it won’t expand

  • at some point, but...

  • You probably will have your own TV show.

  • You know, but it’s... that’s I think what’s so miraculous about our time and to be creators

  • at this point on planet Earth is the incredible options that if you do wanna turn pro, you

  • have something to create. Music, fine art, books, movies, you know, anything, a business,

  • whatever you wanna create, it’s like what youre saying. The barriers to entry have

  • become so low that now the real work is the inner work, is to overcome those inner demons.

  • Well put Marie.

  • Yeah, really, really exciting. So, Steven, I don't wanna take up too much more of your

  • time because I know you are a busy man. But what we love to do, which I told you about

  • MarieTV, is always challenge our audience. And if you guys have gotten some good stuff

  • out of this conversation with Steven, remember, you have to get this book. I have two of them

  • in my house and I’m sure I’m gonna be giving away more. Well put the link to

  • Black Irish Books below this interview so you can go right there and get it. What we

  • wanna do is talk a little bit about habits. Right Steven? I mean, you say that the difference

  • between an amateur and a professional really is in the habits.

  • Their habits, yeah. A pro has professional habits and an amateur has amateur habits.

  • That's right. And we all have habits since were human, it’s the majority of kind

  • of how our lives run are our habits. So it’s not like we can get rid of them, but we can

  • upgrade them. So what Steven and I want to challenge you to do right now is to take a

  • look and... take a look within yourself and see, do you have an amateur habit that right

  • now you are willing to commit to upgrade to a pro habit? What would that one habit be?

  • Almost like a keystone habit that would change everything. And write about it in the comments

  • below this video. I for one am very interested to see, because I think there’s gonna be

  • some very juicy stuff, and I think all of us have it. I’ll take a look for myself

  • as well and see if there’s any amateur habits still lingering around that I can upgrade.

  • Do you like that Steven?

  • I like that.

  • Alright, good.

  • And actually, thinking about my friend that turned pro as a golfer even when she was lousy,

  • I mean, really what she did was she kind of committed to professional habits and she said

  • to herself, “I’m gonna practice, you know, every day. I’m gonna practice the right

  • way, etcetera, etcetera.” So she traded in amateur habits for professional habits

  • and it worked for her.

  • Yeah, so were excited. I wanna see everything you have to say. As always, if you like this

  • video, like it and please share it with your friends. And, of course, if youre not watching

  • this on MarieForleo.com all the good action happens in the comments back on MarieForleo.com,

  • so get your butt on over there and join us because the discussion is rich. If youre

  • not yet on the newsletter list, please join us. Once again, youll see that at MarieForleo.com.

  • And Steve, thank you so much once again for coming on MarieTV. You are awesome.

  • Thanks for having me, it’s great fun to talk to you and get into this whole thing

  • here. It's great.

  • Were all turning pro. Ok you guys, have a great afternoon. Thanks everybody. Bye.

  • Thanks Marie.

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