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  • Hey everybody, it’s Marie Forleo and you are here watching a very special episode of

  • MarieTV and you can probably hear a plane because I’m here in Venice recording in

  • my little Venice home. So today is special because if youve ever had anything happen

  • in your life that could potentially be traumatic or maybe youre dealing with weight issues

  • or relationship issues or financial or business issues and youve tried everything but you

  • can’t seem to break through, my guest today may very well have your answer. And my guest

  • today, you can see him smiling here, very handsome, good looking guy, Nick Ortner. Nick,

  • thank you so much for being on MarieTV.

  • Oh, thanks Marie for having me. Such a pleasure.

  • So I’ll just brag on Nick a little bit. Nick is the CEO of the company the Tapping

  • Solution, he’s also one of the people who created this incredible documentary. I’m

  • sure youre the lead executive producer of The Tapping Solution. And now today were

  • gonna talk about not only what tapping is, but youre the proud author of a brand,

  • new book with the same name. Right? The Tapping Solution.

  • Exactly. We keep it simple. We keep it nice and easy. The Tapping Solution all the way

  • through.

  • I like that because I don't have to remember a lot of things, which I think is perfect,

  • and if you haven’t had the pleasure of meeting the Ortners before, Nick is with us today

  • but Jessica is also in the business, which is his sister, and his brother, Alex, is also

  • in the business, and I love their whole family. It’s a family affair for sure, and theyve

  • been able to reach over a half a million people with EFT and tapping, which were gonna

  • talk more about in a few minutes. But I wanted you guys to know the reason that were doing

  • this special episode today, because if youve been paying attention for more than a few

  • weeks, you know that a couple weeks ago Josh and I were in a pretty bad accident and it

  • shook the crap out of us and I have just not been myself. Right now I’m getting much

  • better, but Nick has been a friend of mine for a while and he was kind enough to send

  • me an email and say, “Hey Marie, do you wanna tap on this?” And I will tell you,

  • my instant body reaction was yes. And even though I’ve known Nick for a long time,

  • I’ve known Jess for a long time, I’ve known his family, I’ve understood what EFT

  • was from a psychological perspective in terms of understanding it, but, quite frankly, I

  • didn't really have a need for it, nor have I ever done it at that point. And so Nick

  • and I did a session and it was so powerful for me. We were just talking about it before

  • we started recording. And I felt like, literally, the moment we got done tapping I said, “Nick,

  • I have to do a MarieTV with you,” and then we realized that his book was coming out and

  • I was like, “Oh my God, it’s divine timing. Let’s do this.” So that’s the reason

  • that were talking to Nick today and I am so honored to have you here because I know

  • what launching a book or launching anything is like, so youve got a very busy schedule.

  • So, again, thanks for being here.

  • It’s a pleasure.

  • So tell us, because I know a lot of my audience knows about EFT and theyre probably jumping

  • up and down screaming saying, “Yes!” because theyre fans. But for many thousands who

  • don't or who may even be slightly skeptical or think, you know, “What is she talking

  • about?” can you give us the kind of basic description of what EFT or tapping is?

  • Yeah, were throwing out these weird words like tapping. Like, oh, are we gonna start

  • tap dancing in the middle? Which might happen on a MarieTV episode.

  • Exactly.

  • You never know, right? Well, we call it tapping. Another name is EFT, Emotional Freedom Technique,

  • that’s the kind of tapping were doing. And we call it tapping because were literally

  • tapping on these meridian endpoints of our body. I like to describe it as a combination

  • of ancient Chinese acupressure, that’s the tapping component, or acupuncture, fortunately

  • without the needles, and modern psychology because as we tap were saying certain statements,

  • were focusing on problems, on challenges, on what’s going on in our lives. You know,

  • for a long time the discussion with EFT and tapping was about the meridians and the energy

  • system and things that, Marie, you and I probably believe in and think, “Yeah, there’s probably

  • more to the body than we see.” Right.

  • You know, maybe there are chakras, maybe there are ancient systems that... but we don't see

  • them and we haven’t been able to document them in the ways that we’d like to. The

  • exciting thing is that the new research, the really Western scientific research, is also

  • proving why this is working and, in a nutshell, it’s showing that when we are focused on

  • a traumatic issue, on a vent, on something that stresses us out, and your car accident

  • is a great example, we talked in detail about the process there. When we focus on it, we

  • trigger the amygdala in our body, and that’s that stress response, that fight or flight

  • response, that very ancient part of our brain that were all very familiar with either

  • from traumatic events or from daily stress. You know?

  • Yeah.

  • Where it’s triggered and we feel it on our body. So we trigger the response and then

  • we do the tapping and the tapping has been shown through scans and a bunch of other research

  • to actually send a calming signal to the amygdala. Were doing the tapping and the tapping

  • is saying, “It’s safe. Youre safe.” And that’s why we can retrain and rewire

  • the brain to act and react differently. To be able to think about something that happened

  • a week ago, a year ago, 10 years ago, it’s still stressing us out when we think about

  • it today, do the tapping and then think about it differently and let it go and actually

  • move past it. I mean, that’s really, to me, the power of this technique, that it goes

  • beyond positive thinking, which I totally believe in.

  • Yeah.

  • It goes beyond talk therapy and psychology, which can serve a role. It actually physically,

  • in the body, clearing through these events, emotions, traumas, etcetera.

  • So exciting. So I know, because I was lucky enough to get an advanced copy of your book,

  • I know a little bit about your history. But can you tell us, like, the short version of

  • how you even stumbled upon this? Because you don't strike me as the kind of guy who is,

  • like, necessarily flying off to Asia or, you know, doing acupuncture work. Not that you

  • wouldn't do that stuff, but I’m just...

  • Oh, I have a doctorate in acupuncture. I didn’t tell you? You know, youre right. I was

  • living my life but I was into, I think like a lot of us, it’s like we have our job,

  • I was doing web design and marketing consulting for a couple of years and then real estate.

  • And then there was this other part that was just exploring things. You know? Reading Wayne

  • Dyer and Louise Hay and going to Tony Robbins events and just doing the self help thing

  • to find more ways to improve my life. I was always searching for a better life experience.

  • Yeah.

  • I kept reading about this weird tapping thing and it was like, “Alright. I mean, really?

  • Like, let’s be honest here. Were tapping, at one point it’s on the top of the head

  • so now we look like monkeys. Like, what are you talking about?” I had the same reaction.

  • I’d read about it and back then, this was about 10 years ago, there wasn’t the science

  • and research there is today, so it was even further into woo woo land. You know?

  • Yes.

  • Now it’s getting a lot more grounded, but back then it wasn’t but I kept hearing so

  • many stories. Somebody with pain relief. “Oh, I had pain for 20 years. I did the tapping,

  • it went away.” You know? And you read these stories where people are in tears writing

  • saying, “This has changed my life,” you know?

  • Yes.

  • “I couldn’t lose the weight. I had cravings I couldn’t control. I always felt stuck

  • in my business. I was scared to speak in public,” all these things and people were getting over

  • it. So I read enough of those stories and you get to the point where you go, “Ok,

  • my cynicism just needs to go away.” You know?

  • Yes.

  • And I have to try it. So I remember one of my first experiences, it was really something

  • pretty basic, but I woke up one morning with neck pain. And you know when you sleep wrong,

  • I don't know. I don't know if you wrestle your husband or wife at night or what but

  • it happens. You wake up like, “Oh, really?” You know? And it’s not that bad but it hurts

  • and all day youre kind of a robot because people say something to you and you go like

  • this. You know?

  • Yes, yes.

  • It’s not fun. Alright? So I said, “Let me try this weird tapping thing on this neck

  • pain.” So I’m looking online and looking at the points and saying the statements and

  • next thing I know it was like, “Oh my gosh, it’s gone.” Like just a total release.

  • And, look, if all it did was work on pain relief, it would be exciting by itself. Right?

  • I mean, there’s a lot of people watching who probably have some sort of physical pain.

  • Absolutely.

  • So if all it did was that, that’d be great. But what I really thought about that day,

  • what that moment was so important to me for, is that I started asking myself, “Ok, I

  • woke up this morning with one world view and it said, ‘I have neck pain. I’m gonna

  • have this for 2 or 3 days. I can take some Advil, I can stretch it out, but that’s

  • just the way life is.’ Now I do this weird tapping thing that makes no sense, at least

  • on the surface. It makes sense if you go deeper. It makes no sense and this pain is gone.”

  • So I started asking myself, “What other parts of my life could I apply that to?”

  • You know? I think so many of us walk around saying, “These things happen to me and this

  • is just the way I am.” And I think one of the first steps in personal growth and development

  • is taking that responsibility and saying, “You know what? I’m playing a role here

  • and I have something to do with my business success and my emotional success and my relationship.”

  • I think most of the people watching this are probably at that stage where theyve said,

  • “I gotta shape up. I gotta take responsibility. This is up to me.”

  • Yeah.

  • The challenge is, it’s one thing to learn that, it’s another thing to know what to

  • do about it. Right? So you know... and that was my first experience. You know, Tony Robbins

  • events 15 years ago, I learned to take responsibility and I could will myself to do stuff for a

  • couple weeks or a couple months and then I’d go back and do my own same crap again. You

  • know?

  • Right.

  • And it was like, “How am I going to change this?” And tapping, for me, was my way to

  • change that. To get to the real root, right, to the core events that happened. You know,

  • speaking... like, speaking in public, for example, getting your voice out in the world,

  • all these things that are so important that I know that people watching now on MarieTV

  • really wanted to do. If you have traumatic events from your childhood, if you have stuff

  • you haven’t let go of, if you were 7 years old talking in front of the class and the

  • kids laughed at you, you can still be holding onto that, and that’s precisely the thing

  • that’s holding you back right now. So my experience has been that, of just trying it

  • for myself, I shared it with friends, with family, you know, the running joke was, “Don’t

  • say anything is wrong around Nick because were gonna tap out.” You know? It was

  • like... and still...

  • I have to interrupt because you, you know, you even said that to me. You sent me that

  • sweet email and were friends and youre like, “I know I don't wanna seem like a

  • bug here, but I really think we should tap on this, Marie.” It was so sweet. So I get

  • that.

  • Of course I’m less pushy 10 years later than I was in the beginning. But, still, when

  • I see somebody in need I’m like, “Uhhhh.” You know, our mutual friend, Kris Carr, she

  • can tell you the story of we were climbing up a mountain and she has a terrible fear

  • of heights... had a terrible fear of heights. And were going up this mountain and she

  • said, “Oh, there’s this tower up there where the view is incredible and you just

  • climb to the top.” And I go, “Great, well go up there.” And she goes, “Oh, no. I’m

  • not going up.” “What do you mean youre not going up?” “Well, I’m scared of

  • heights.” And as soon as she said it, she tried to, like, swallow it. You know? Because

  • she knew she was done for. Like, she... and I looked at her and I go, “What do you want

  • me to do here? Like, were tapping on this.” So, sure enough... and I actually tell the

  • whole story in the book, but we went up the tower step by step tapping down her fear and

  • calming the body, calming the amygdala, and she made it to the top.

  • That is so awesome. And, you know, one of the things I love about that is, you know,

  • all of us have those things. And speaking, I’m shifting slightly here because you know

  • how passionate both of us are about marketing and one of my things in the world is, like,

  • when you believe in something and when you know that it works and when youre really

  • out to make a difference for people and youre really out to help, that’s really all marketing

  • is. It’s like being willing to share from a very honest, transparent, passionate, enthusiastic

  • place about something that you believe in. And whether it’s clothes that youre designing

  • or, you know, it’s jewelry that youre making or you sell information or advice or

  • you sell houses, it kind of doesn't matter, but I think that’s one of the reasons, and,

  • again, I know I’m shifting slightly here away from the content that were talking

  • about, but most of our folks are interested not only in having a great life and healing

  • themselves in every level, but also having success. And whether you have your own business

  • right now or you work for a company you believe in, I think Nick and I both share this belief,

  • you have to get on board with embracing and loving marketing and understanding how to

  • become a champion for your company or the company that you work for. And you just demonstrated

  • it so perfectly. Like, marketing is not something you do just when youre on your computer

  • or just when you have your business hat on or youre working 9 to 5. It’s, like,

  • you were out with a good friend of yours and you were like, “Dude, this stuff works!

  • You can’t even open your mouth because I’m gonna... were gonna do this right now,

  • were gonna tap on this.” So just as a little aside.

  • No, and you know what? You and I know the successful people that we meet, the people

  • at the top of their game, theyll tell you, most of them don't even know how they got

  • there. Theyre just like, “I’ve just been so excited about doing this, whatever

  • I do, and I’ve been so passionate about it that that’s what I got. That’s how

  • I got there.” You know? Especially in this day and age, you know, the strategies are

  • there, the how to figure out how to do this is there. The inner game is such a big part

  • of it, youve gotta be congruent with your passions, youve gotta be congruent with

  • marketing, you know? I’ve been... the tapping sort of sits in that self help, personal development,

  • spiritual world that historically has had amazing information, but has been really scared

  • to market, to build a business around it, to build a career around it, has been scared

  • to go, “Yeah, I’m charging money for this.”

  • Yes.

  • You know? And that’s a big problem, it’s a big problem. It’s the biggest disservice

  • that any people can do to the world.

  • Yes.

  • You know? Like there are people that are really holding back their gifts. I mean, the way

  • I’ll look at it, youll have EFT practitioners that do this. They get into it, they start

  • working with clients, it’s hard to build a business but they go, “I love what I’m

  • doing so much, I’m helping people so much. How can I charge for it?” Or, “How can

  • I charge enough for it?” So theyre charging 30 bucks an hour because theyre so passionate

  • about it and theyre doing so much good work, which is so honorable in so many ways,

  • but guess what happens? They can’t support themselves, they can’t sustain their business,

  • they can’t make it a viable life. So then they go back to their work at a bank, as a

  • secretary, in an office because they weren’t able to sustain their passion.

  • Right.

  • And, people, it is their duty to sustain their passions. It’s like, it is your mission

  • to figure out how to charge, how to build a business, how to make it happen and spread

  • your good work.

  • Yeah.

  • I don't need to tell you. I know you know this.

  • Yeah.

  • I know it’s what you teach. But I know you and I are so passionate about that it’s

  • like, come on, you know?

  • Yeah, and I also do wanna say too, because I can hear, I have that little psychic ability

  • in me going, “Oh, that’s all great for you Nick,” but I do want you to know if

  • this is your first introduction to Nick and The Tapping Solution, you can just do a little

  • Google search, and Nick maybe you can talk about it. One of the things that you guys,

  • I love you for and that’s why we have this mutual admiration society, is all the philanthropic