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  • ELIZABETH NOLAN: Today's recitation

  • will all stem from this reading by Youngman and Green

  • on ribosome purification.

  • But also, we posted an optional-- well,

  • not really optional but an additional reading

  • that's a review that talks about purifying macromolecular

  • machines from the source.

  • And I guess one thing I'd just like

  • to say about this review, something

  • I like is figure three because it indicates

  • many, many different types of methods that can be used

  • to purify some biomolecule.

  • And I think often it's easy just to think all the time,

  • well, let's just use a tag.

  • And tags have enabled many things,

  • but there's also many possibilities

  • out there and decades worth of work

  • before tags for how to purify proteins.

  • And in some instances, you might not want to use a tag

  • and that's discussed to some degree here.

  • So I guess I'm curious.

  • What did you all think about this week's paper?

  • Did you like it?

  • Did you not like it?

  • Was it easy to hard read?

  • Did you read the paper?

  • AUDIENCE: It wasn't too bad.

  • I've purified--

  • JOANNE STUBBE: You need to speak louder

  • because I can't hear you.

  • AUDIENCE: It wasn't too bad.

  • I've purified proteins before, so I

  • felt like I could follow along.

  • ELIZABETH NOLAN: So not too bad means

  • it was easy to understand and follow the text there.

  • Yeah, so compared to the reading for recitations two and three,

  • this one was probably easier to work with,

  • but there's a lot of details in this one too there.

  • One thing, I guess, I like this paper from the standpoint of it

  • being a methods paper, is the amount of detail

  • they give with how they did this purification and things that

  • didn't work, right?

  • So often, sharing those details with your readers

  • can make such difference for an experimentalist

  • in another lab in another part of the world, right?

  • And I think, from this, one with biochemistry training

  • could go into the lab and reproduce their purification

  • there.

  • So it's a good example in terms of what details to include

  • and what types of pitfalls to include.

  • So how many of you have done a protein purification,

  • either in a lab class or in your research?

  • OK.

  • And so what type of purification did you use?

  • AUDIENCE: We used a histamine-tag with nickel.

  • ELIZABETH NOLAN: OK.

  • So you used a His6-tag, probably a polyhistamine tag

  • in a nickel NTA column.

  • For everyone else, has it been that type of methodology

  • or another methodology?

  • AUDIENCE: I used the same one.

  • ELIZABETH NOLAN: OK.

  • OK.

  • So would someone like to kind of comment

  • on the basics of affinity tag purification?

  • So how does this work?

  • And why did you do it?

  • So what are the advantages?

  • AUDIENCE: So you have a light chain

  • of histamines on your protein, and you

  • use nickel, which is a metal that chelates

  • to histamine very well.

  • Is that right?

  • ELIZABETH NOLAN: Yeah.

  • The nickel's bound to something though.

  • You have the NTA ligand on the resin.

  • AUDIENCE: I did this over a year ago.

  • Sorry.

  • AUDIENCE: So if you have whatever

  • the type is, the [INAUDIBLE] bound to some solid substrate.

  • And then you can elute everything

  • that's not bond to that.

  • Elute what it does bind.

  • So you just tag the protein.

  • It's bound to a high concentration

  • of the free ligand.

  • ELIZABETH NOLAN: Or right, to push it off.

  • So the idea is that you have your biomolecule of interest,

  • whether that be a protein, which is what we're all

  • most familiar with, or the ribosome,

  • and then you attach a tag.

  • And that tag can be any number of things, right?

  • So in this paper, we saw they used a stem loop structure

  • incorporated into the 23s rRNA.

  • And the idea is that you're going

  • to use that tag to separate your biomolecule of interest

  • from the complexity of the cellular environment

  • there, so all of the other proteins.

  • And so you have some bead or resin

  • that this tag can bind to.

  • So in the case of the nickel column,

  • the His6-tag will bind to the nickel NTA on the resin.

  • And then you can wash away other components.

  • And then you devise some method to elute the protein

  • you hope to have trapped there.

  • So what are some advantages of using an affinity tag,

  • just thinking about this generally

  • before we delve into the paper?

  • AUDIENCE: Easy to install.

  • ELIZABETH NOLAN: OK.

  • So what do you mean by easy to install?

  • AUDIENCE: If you wanted to just encode

  • a 6 His-tag at the terminus of your target protein,

  • I don't know if you can say it's trivial.

  • It's easy.

  • ELIZABETH NOLAN: I'd agree it's easy.

  • There's many plasmids available that you

  • can insert your gene of interest into in order to have

  • this tag genetically encoded.

  • So when you express the protein, the tag's there.

  • So beyond that, from the standpoint of purification--

  • AUDIENCE: It's more specific.

  • ELIZABETH NOLAN: Pardon?

  • AUDIENCE: It's more specific.

  • ELIZABETH NOLAN: More specific--

  • AUDIENCE: Pure proteins as opposed to various charges.

  • AUDIENCE: It simplifies the purification.

  • Instead of doing size exclusion and ion exchange

  • that is much different.

  • ELIZABETH NOLAN: So the hope is it simplifies the purification

  • because you have some way initially

  • to pull your protein of interest out of your cell lysate there.

  • So that can be a big help.

  • What are some potential disadvantages of using a tag?

  • So have any of you run into trouble with a tag in the lab?

  • AUDIENCE: Having a tag can highly deform your protein

  • and change it.

  • ELIZABETH NOLAN: Yeah.

  • So it might change your protein or deform it.

  • What do you mean by "deform?"

  • AUDIENCE: It could just cause a conformation change

  • or the tag could make it localize somewhere else based

  • on size.

  • ELIZABETH NOLAN: Yeah.

  • So that's an example, say if you were doing a study in cells,

  • say, rather than a purification.

  • But maybe you tag a protein and it

  • goes somewhere other than it would go untagged right?

  • And that will affect your observations

  • and your data there.

  • And it might alter the conformation.

  • So it might affect the folding, right?

  • It might affect the oligomerization.

  • His-tags bind metal ions.

  • So is that a factor to consider there?

  • If you have an enzyme, will the tag affect activity, right?

  • And these things can be a positive or a negative.

  • Sometimes the tag is helpful in these regards.

  • You can't get soluble protein without the tag, right?

  • And sometimes the reverse.

  • You decide to express your protein or biomolecule

  • with a tag and you find out you get an aggregate, something

  • that the protein shouldn't be.

  • So these are just things to keep in mind when designing a fusion

  • protein and thinking about how you're

  • going to use an affinity tag to express your protein there

  • and purify your protein.

  • So there's pluses and minuses, right?

  • And you can always make the choice not to use a tag.

  • So you saw some of that in the review article, right?

  • And I guess one other thing, too, there's

  • this idea of using the affinity tag in the affinity column,

  • which we'll talk about more in the context of the ribosome,

  • but is that always enough?

  • So is the affinity column alone always enough

  • to purify your protein of interest?

  • So in lab class, that's where it will end,

  • because that's an exercise made for lab class,

  • and it's your first adventure into protein purification

  • for most people, right?

  • Oftentimes, it's not enough.

  • That you do enrich what you've purified with what you want,

  • but often there's contaminants.

  • So you actually do move forward with doing some other type

  • of purification.

  • Like Rebecca mentioned, ion exchange or size exclusion,

  • those are things you can use after the affinity purification

  • there as needed, right?

  • So contaminations are something to look out for here.

  • JOANNE STUBBE: What other types of steps

  • do you use for purification besides columns

  • and [INAUDIBLE].

  • Because people have forgotten all of this.

  • Everybody uses the tag and that's the end of it,

  • and it can be the kiss of death.

  • What other kind of fractionation steps?

  • Do you do any other fractionation steps?

  • What is it, 535 or something?

  • AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE] salt.

  • JOANNE STUBBE: The what?

  • AUDIENCE: The [INAUDIBLE] salt. So

  • some proteins will precipitate.

  • Some will not.

  • JOANNE STUBBE: Yeah.

  • So that's what you use to precipitate.

  • So that's a mild method.

  • It's fast.

  • It gives you separation on a fair amount of proteins.

  • Anybody know what you use?

  • AUDIENCE: Ammonium sulfate.

  • JOANNE STUBBE: Yeah, ammonium sulfate.

  • And then what's the other thing that really is important?

  • What is the other thing you want to remove from your protein

  • when you're using this tag that oftentimes people miss

  • in the literature?

  • ELIZABETH NOLAN: Yeah, we were getting there.

  • JOANNE STUBBE: There's another component inside the cell

  • that you need to get rid of that you've been talking about.

  • AUDIENCE: Where one component has His-tag on the cell,

  • you remove it.

  • JOANNE STUBBE: So you have the protein.

  • What are the other components in the cell

  • that you need to remove?

  • You can go back and look at your cartoon

  • of the inside of the cell.

  • ELIZABETH NOLAN: Yeah.

  • So we're getting a little ahead, but that's totally fine.

  • So if you're going to lyse your cell, and then,

  • imagine your protein's soluble, right?

  • So you do a centrifugation to remove

  • the insoluble components.

  • So you have the membrane and all that debris.

  • And then you take your soluble fraction,

  • and you incubate that on your column, right?

  • And then you elute, you wash, you elute your protein.

  • What might come out with your protein?

  • AUDIENCE: Nucleic acid.

  • ELIZABETH NOLAN: Yeah, right.

  • So how do you know if you have nucleic acid contaminating?

  • AUDIENCE: The A260.

  • ELIZABETH NOLAN: Right.

  • So A260 will give you a readout of nucleic acids.

  • A280 is what people typically look at for their protein

  • concentration, but you should look at both so you

  • know what's in your protein.

  • You need to look at both.

  • JOANNE STUBBE: Do that and adaptively

  • repeat stuff out of the literature.

  • Very frequently, you take an absorption spectrum,

  • there's some nucleic acid.

  • ELIZABETH NOLAN: You have contamination.

  • So a lot of ribosome, DNA.

  • JOANNE STUBBE: If you don't remember anything else,

  • it's important.

  • ELIZABETH NOLAN: Yeah.

  • So sure, just something to think about.

  • So Alex noted, it's easy to put on this His-tag.

  • What is actually on this His-tagged protein?

  • So is it just the six histidines are all the same?

  • When you look in the literature, and someone

  • says they put a His-tag on the N terminus of their protein,

  • how do you think about that?

  • So we have some His6-tag, and then

  • that tag, say, is attached to the protein here.

  • What's going on in between?

  • AUDIENCE: Maybe a flexible linker of some kind.

  • ELIZABETH NOLAN: Pardon?

  • AUDIENCE: It would be like a--

  • I don't know-- like a flexible linker of some kind.

  • ELIZABETH NOLAN: Yeah.

  • So maybe some kind of flexible linker.

  • And what might dictate this linker?

  • AUDIENCE: If you wanted to remove the His-tag

  • after you would want to be able to hydrolyze it or something.

  • ELIZABETH NOLAN: Yeah, so maybe you

  • want to remove your tag down the road, right?

  • So a protease is often employed.

  • So maybe there's a linker, maybe there's a protease cleavage

  • site.

  • OK.

  • OK.

  • And we're not going to talk about cloning really

  • in this class, but just thinking back a step,

  • you need some plasmid DNA to ultimately get here

  • that has your gene, right?

  • And so you'll insert the gene into the plasmid,

  • and many commercial plasmids have something

  • called multiple cloning site.

  • And, for instance, if you want a His-tag or a GST tag,

  • you'll use some different plasmid

  • that has that encoded, right?

  • And then you make a decision about how you put your gene in.

  • And these multiple cloning sites have

  • multiple sites for restriction enzymes

  • where you can put the gene in, which means,

  • even if the same plasmid is used for 10 different proteins,

  • what's happening here can vary a lot

  • even if you have one protein and put it in different sites.

  • So maybe you have a short linker here because you

  • used a site like NDE1 or SPE1, I'm just making those up,

  • right?

  • Or maybe you have a longer region here

  • between the tag and the protein.

  • And so it's very important to go look back

  • at the map of the plasmid that was used and ask

  • where was the gene put in and what does that mean?

  • So is this His-tag a 2 kilodalton perturbation.

  • Is it a 5 kilodalton perterbation to your protein?

  • And some of these plasmids have multiple types of tags, right?

  • So it might have a GST tag and a His-tag,

  • and depending how you put your gene in, you may have two

  • or you may have only one, right?

  • So I'm just pointing out there's a complexity here.

  • So when someone just writes in their paper,

  • oh, I His-tagged the protein, you

  • need to think beyond just sticking six histamine residues

  • on the N or C terminus there.

  • Did you have a question?

  • AUDIENCE: So does that mean that's like another step where

  • they purified the specific plumbing site,

  • one that they wanted?

  • Or does that mean you kind of roll with the heterogeneous--

  • ELIZABETH NOLAN: No.

  • So you put your gene in particular sites

  • with this type of cloning, right?

  • And so one thing practically, just say

  • you want to express some new protein

  • and you don't know much about this.

  • You might choose to make several different constructs where

  • you put the gene in different sites

  • or maybe you use primers that allow you to add some linker

  • regions because you don't know what will give you better

  • solubility and better yield.

  • And then ultimately, you pick one.

  • So, for instance, like for me, with working with, say,

  • a His-tag for a protein, there's plenty of plasmids

  • available where you can pick N terminus or C terminus.

  • So one plasmid to put the tag on the N terminus.

  • A different plasmid to put the tag on the C terminus.

  • I'll clone the gene into both and test overexpression

  • with both and just see if one's better

  • than the other in terms of yield, in terms of solubility

  • there.

  • And then you make a call.

  • Maybe you purify both and see if there is an effect on behavior,

  • like oligomerization or activity if it's an enzyme here.

  • So if you get into protein purification,

  • it's good to talk to people who have purified

  • many different proteins because the strategy is

  • a little different for each protein.

  • And then you just get more exposure

  • to all of the possibilities and troubleshooting there.

  • So coming to the paper, what was the big motivation

  • for developing this method to have an affinity tag attached

  • to the ribosome?

  • Right?

  • So Youngman and Green went to quite a bit of effort

  • to devise this new system.

  • What was their motivation?

  • And what really was the big issue

  • they were seeking to overcome?

  • AUDIENCE: They wanted to get ribosomes with mutations on it.

  • So they want to synthesize bacteria ribosomes with it

  • and purify it.

  • ELIZABETH NOLAN: Yeah.

  • So they want a mutant ribosome.

  • And they want to make this mutant ribosome

  • in vivo and then purify.

  • So what's the complication with making the mutant ribosome

  • in vivo that they seek to overcome here?

  • AUDIENCE: You have the wild-type ribosomes in there also.

  • ELIZABETH NOLAN: So well, right.

  • That was their decision, right?

  • They want to express this mutant ribosome in the background

  • of the wild-type ribosome.

  • So why do they want to do that?

  • AUDIENCE: Because it could be lethal.

  • The mutant ribosome, it would be a toxic mutant.

  • ELIZABETH NOLAN: Yeah, toxic mutant.

  • What do you mean by "toxic mutant?"

  • AUDIENCE: If you create a mutant ribosome, that

  • was the only way for the cell to express them, they'd be toxic

  • and they wouldn't be able to go through translation.

  • ELIZABETH NOLAN: Yeah.

  • So maybe the mutant ribosome doesn't work very well,

  • and that ends up being lethal to the cell there.

  • So can we imagine why that might be

  • an issue for the types of experiments

  • we've seen in class?

  • So if you're thinking about trying

  • to understand the catalytic mechanism in that function,

  • there's a likelihood the mutations may dramatically

  • affect that activity, right?

  • If you want to put a point mutation

  • into the peptidyl transferase center,

  • into the decoding center, that could

  • be deleterious to your cell, but it

  • could be very important for your mechanistic study.

  • So they want to avoid this lethal phenotype.

  • So what is the complication in terms

  • of doing this in the presence of wild-type

  • for some sort of measurement?

  • AUDIENCE: It gets kind of muddy.

  • ELIZABETH NOLAN: Gets kind of muddy.

  • Yeah.

  • What does that mean?

  • AUDIENCE: You don't have a pure mutant in there,

  • and they're not significantly different from the wild-type.

  • ELIZABETH NOLAN: Yeah.

  • So if you were going to do a standard ribosome

  • purification--

  • because ribosomes have been purified for many years

  • without an affinity tag--

  • you're going to have a mixture of your mutant

  • and the wild-type.

  • And so that has a strong likelihood

  • of being a problem for your analysis, right?

  • So they gave an example in this paper

  • where they actually made a mixture

  • and did some analyses, where you could separate

  • the wild-type from mutant activity

  • but that's not necessarily the case.

  • And so, as pointed out, they're both very large.

  • They're very similar, right?

  • There's no good way to separate a ribosome

  • with a single-point mutation, say,

  • in the peptidyl transferase center from wild-type.

  • So let's just imagine you have a mixture that's predominantly

  • your mutant ribosome but you have some background

  • contamination of wild-type.

  • Is that an issue?

  • Say you want to measure rates of peptide bond formation.

  • AUDIENCE: It's going to be an issue.

  • ELIZABETH NOLAN: Yeah.

  • So why is it probably going to be an issue?

  • AUDIENCE: Because your mutant might

  • be a lethal function because of your background

  • and resume the function and [INAUDIBLE] mutant [INAUDIBLE]..

  • ELIZABETH NOLAN: Yeah.

  • So imagine you have a mutant ribosome that

  • has very low activity or none, and you

  • have some small amount of contaminating wild-type that

  • has wild-type activity, right?

  • How do you know--

  • I mean you might misinterpret your data,

  • and what you're seeing is the wild-type and not the mutant.

  • And this issue is much more broad than the ribosome.

  • So one of my favorites is the contaminating ATPase.

  • And maybe you have an enzyme that hydrolyzes ATP,

  • but maybe you have a small contamination

  • of an enzyme that does a much better job at hydrolyzing ATP

  • that's in your reaction, right?

  • So what are you seeing there?

  • So that's something to keep in mind

  • in terms of potential contaminations, right?

  • And so they go through some justification

  • about why they need to do this method based

  • on available methods, and all of those available methods

  • have strengths and weaknesses.

  • So they talked about using systems

  • without the wild-type ribosome.

  • They mentioned in vitro translation,

  • and I'll just say, in passing, those in vitro systems

  • have improved a lot since the time of this paper.

  • OK.

  • So in terms of their strategy.

  • Let's comment on the various aspects of this strategy.

  • All right.

  • So effectively, they want a way to express

  • the mutant ribosome in vivo in the background of wild-type.

  • They want a way to separate that ribosome.

  • And they want to come up with ribosomes that are active.

  • OK.

  • So this cartoon basically summarizes their solution

  • to this problem, and we should work

  • through the various components.

  • So the first thing is they attached a tag

  • to either the 23S or the 16S.

  • And we'll focus today's discussion on the 23S

  • because that's what they did more characterization

  • on in the paper.

  • So how did they decide on the tag and where to place the tag?

  • AUDIENCE: You don't want the tag somewhere

  • that's going to interfere with function.

  • And you don't want the tag itself to be reactive

  • where it will interfere.

  • So you need to be out of the way and kind of passive

  • so it's not interfering with function.

  • ELIZABETH NOLAN: So that's one point, right?

  • We don't want this tag to interfere with function.

  • So that's one aspect.

  • What's another aspect?

  • AUDIENCE: You still have to be accessible

  • ELIZABETH NOLAN: Yeah, the tag needs

  • to be accessible because something's

  • going to have to bind this tag, right?

  • So on the basis of those two criteria,

  • we can imagine wanting this tag somewhere on the surface,

  • right?

  • We don't want it where the 30S and 50S interact.

  • We don't want it in a position that's critical.

  • So like maybe if it ended up near where

  • EFTU first binds or EFG, that would be bad.

  • So accessible and in a place where it won't interfere.

  • Beyond that, the ribosome's huge.

  • So how does one pick where to put this tag?

  • What did the researchers do?

  • I'll tell you what they didn't do.

  • They didn't reinvent the wheel.

  • So what did they do?

  • AUDIENCE: Lit review.

  • ELIZABETH NOLAN: Yeah.

  • They went to the literature.

  • And what did they find in the literature?

  • AUDIENCE: Someone had installed a tRNA before or something

  • and it didn't interfere with the ribosome function.

  • ELIZABETH NOLAN: Right.

  • So they took observations that were

  • made from an independent group for an independent project

  • but the observations that were useful to them in their design.

  • So for some reason, this lab stuck a tRNA onto the ribosome

  • and saw the ribosome was still active and functioning well.

  • So the decision was, why don't we

  • use that to place the tag here?

  • So what about their choice of tag?

  • What did they use?

  • A big tag or a little tag?

  • Any sense of that compared to the size of, say, the 50S?

  • Take a look at figure one.

  • AUDIENCE: A small.

  • ELIZABETH NOLAN: Yeah, right.

  • So I'd say very small compared to the size

  • of the ribosome, right?

  • So they decided to take advantage of interaction

  • between this MS2 coat protein and the MS2 RNA recognition

  • sequence, right?

  • So that's one interaction involved here,

  • so ligand receptor interaction.

  • So here, this is the depiction from the paper showing

  • where they incorporated this MS2 stem loop into the 23S rRNA,

  • here.

  • And so what does that tag need to bind, going back

  • to the cartoon?

  • And what is different about this strategy

  • from, say, what you've done with nickel and TA chromatography

  • and His6-tags?

  • AUDIENCE: It has three things.

  • ELIZABETH NOLAN: Three things, yeah.

  • Right?

  • So we have three components, two different interactions,

  • say, between a ligand and its binding partner, right?

  • So here, we have the mutant RNA of the ribosome where

  • there's this MS2 stem loop, OK?

  • That MS2 stem loop binds to the MS2 coat protein, right?

  • And then there needs to be some way to pull this out.

  • And what they chose to do here was

  • take advantage of a second interaction and one

  • that's commonly used in chemistry and biology, which

  • is looking at an interaction between a protein called

  • glutathione S-transferase and glutathione, here, right?

  • So effectively, they have a solid support or a resin,

  • so like the nickel NTA column, but in this case,

  • it's modified with GSH.

  • They have to prepare this fusion protein that

  • is a fusion of GST and MS2, and then they

  • have the ribosome with the tag.

  • So why might they have done this with three components

  • rather than two?

  • AUDIENCE: Since GST/GSH, these are pretty standard affinity

  • tags, it was probably easier to acquire GSH then

  • to try to get MS2.

  • ELIZABETH NOLAN: Yeah.

  • That's a practical analysis there.

  • So could they have made a resin with MS2?

  • Maybe, right?

  • So how did they go about doing this affinity purification?

  • What were the steps and why?

  • So imagine they've done the molecular biology required

  • to express this tagged ribosome.

  • They expressed the tagged ribosome in E. coli.

  • Then what?

  • How are they going to get this tagged ribosome out?

  • AUDIENCE: They first purify the crude ribosomes [INAUDIBLE]

  • including the [INAUDIBLE] and normal ones.

  • And then they load these crude samples through the column.

  • ELIZABETH NOLAN: OK.

  • So the crude sample went through the column, right?

  • What happened before that?

  • So can you just put the crude ribosome through the column,

  • if your column is the resin with GSH?

  • AUDIENCE: You have to preload it with a fusion protein.

  • ELIZABETH NOLAN: Yes.

  • So what did they preload with the fusion protein?

  • AUDIENCE: The column.

  • ELIZABETH NOLAN: Yes.

  • That's what they did, right?

  • We can imagine just looking at this without further details.

  • There's two possibilities with three components.

  • So they could have, as stated and as what they finally did,

  • they could add this fusion protein to the column, right?

  • So the fusion protein binds GSH.

  • And then you take your crude lysate, crude material

  • from the E. coli and run that through the column

  • to trap the ribosomes.

  • What's the other possibility?

  • They could have taken this fusion protein

  • and put it into the crude mixture,

  • and they talked about that.

  • So what was one of the complications with this fusion

  • protein that led them to incubate it with the column?

  • Was this fusion protein well-behaved?

  • AUDIENCE: It forms insoluble aggregate.

  • ELIZABETH NOLAN: Yeah, right?

  • It gave them some headaches.

  • It aggregated.

  • Is that something that can commonly happen?

  • So they likely tried both ways, and they observed this problem

  • with the fusion protein having aggregation, right?

  • And they avoided that as being a complication

  • to the purification by incubating the column

  • with that fusion protein first.

  • So after they take their crude sample

  • and have that bind to the resin in the column,

  • how did they get the ribosomes off the column?

  • So what are the possibilities?

  • And what did they end up doing and why?

  • AUDIENCE: So you could just use an excessive of free MS2

  • ligands to cause the ribosomes to disassociate

  • from the column.

  • Or you could use an excess of the GST

  • to cause that complex to dissociate from the column.

  • ELIZABETH NOLAN: Yeah.

  • So thinking about the latter possibility--

  • so what Rebecca has done is identify

  • the two different ligand receptor interactions, right?

  • We could disrupt this one between MS2 fusion coat

  • protein and the ribosome or between GSH and GST.

  • So in terms of this one here, does it make more sense

  • to elute with excess protein or excess glutathione, which

  • is effectively a tripeptide?

  • AUDIENCE: Glutathione.

  • ELIZABETH NOLAN: Yeah, right?

  • So just that much easier to come by a lot of glutathione

  • than a lot of GSH--

  • or sorry, GST.

  • So which one did they choose?

  • How did they elute the ribosome off the column?

  • How long did you each spend on the paper before coming here?

  • AUDIENCE: GSH.

  • ELIZABETH NOLAN: Yeah, they used GSH.

  • So they eluted with excess GSH.

  • So what does that mean in terms of the purified ribosome?

  • Is it just the ribosome with the stem loop?

  • AUDIENCE: They still have the fusion protein.

  • ELIZABETH NOLAN: Right.

  • We still have the fusion protein on.

  • So if you were making this decision at the bench,

  • you have two different interactions to consider,

  • what would you choose and why?

  • Why and I guess, really, why did they

  • choose to disrupt the interaction between GSH

  • and GST?

  • AUDIENCE: Because it's difficult to have enough MS2 than

  • to purify with glutathione.

  • ELIZABETH NOLAN: Here, right?

  • Because if you were going to, say, elute with excess of MS2

  • stem loop, where would that come from?

  • Or excess MS2 protein, right?

  • AUDIENCE: Also, it's actually MS2.

  • ELIZABETH NOLAN: Yes.

  • It's not very practical here, right?

  • At the end of the day, it would be best

  • to have the ribosome without this fusion protein attached,

  • but disrupting this interaction isn't very practical.

  • So it would be quite expensive either way

  • if you were making a lot of some sort of stem loop.

  • And then how would you even know you have the stem

  • loop or the protein here?

  • OK.

  • So I'm just curious, for those of you

  • who have done like nickel NTA chromatography,

  • do you have a sense of the affinity of the His-tag protein

  • for the resin?

  • So what happens as this tied protein goes down the column?

  • All right.

  • So you have some column with your resin plus His6 protein.

  • So was it a strong or weak interaction?

  • AUDIENCE: Strong.

  • AUDIENCE: Strong.

  • ELIZABETH NOLAN: How would you define strong?

  • Or why do you say it's strong?

  • AUDIENCE: The chelation.

  • ELIZABETH NOLAN: Well, you're forming a complex, right?

  • You're forming-- the His-tag is binding the nickel NTA.

  • AUDIENCE: The Kd is probably [INAUDIBLE]..

  • ELIZABETH NOLAN: Is it?

  • AUDIENCE: I don't know.

  • AUDIENCE: It is a dynamic process

  • where they're releasing and binding and releasing

  • and binding again.

  • ELIZABETH NOLAN: Yes.

  • So there's an equilibrium, right?

  • And we talk about binding to the column

  • but how tightly is this tagged protein binding?

  • And is it just binding there and getting stuck?

  • I mean, it needs to stay in your column, right?

  • In this case, it's not very strong.

  • So if you look at reported Kd's for, say,

  • His-tags to nickel NTA, they're on the order

  • of one to 10 micromolar.

  • So orders of magnitude lower affinity

  • than what you just suggested.

  • So why does the column work?

  • AUDIENCE: Because everything else binds worse than that.

  • ELIZABETH NOLAN: Well, you hope that.

  • You hope.

  • I mean, sure.

  • I mean, if you know that histamine-- a protein that's

  • histamine-rich it's going to stick, but why does it work?

  • So is it surprising that a micromolar affinity

  • can allow this to be trapped on the column?

  • AUDIENCE: Is it because you have six histamines tied down

  • [INAUDIBLE]

  • ELIZABETH NOLAN: Pardon?

  • OK.

  • It's not the amount of histamines.

  • What is in your column?

  • AUDIENCE: You've got a lot of binding sites.

  • ELIZABETH NOLAN: Yeah.

  • Right.

  • There's a lot of binding sites in the column.

  • So you're going to have, as Rebecca said, dynamic.

  • This is coming on and off the column,

  • but there's a lot of binding sites.

  • So if it comes off, it can go back on there.

  • So what about the GST and GSH?

  • AUDIENCE: I know it's one of the strongest attractions.

  • ELIZABETH NOLAN: Yeah.

  • This is much stronger than nickel NTA

  • and the His-tag protein.

  • So orders of magnitude higher affinity here for that.

  • OK.

  • But it's something to think about when you're

  • choosing an affinity purification method there

  • and to think about what's actually

  • happening on this column and dynamic process.

  • So jumping ahead a little bit, they did their experiments

  • first just tagging the wild-type ribosome, OK?

  • And that's very important because they're

  • trying to make a new purification method,

  • and the first thing that needs to be asked

  • is does the wild-type ribosome plus the tag

  • behave the same or differently from the wild-type ribosome

  • without the tag, OK?

  • And you want to know that because if the tag is

  • causing a problem, maybe it's not a good design.

  • And you don't want to go forward making mutants

  • with that kind of modification, OK?

  • So what do they need to do after doing this purification, right?

  • One is just analyzing the purity of the material

  • that they've come up with.

  • And then the other things they did

  • was look at the subunit integrity, right?

  • And so something to keep in mind is that the ribosome

  • has two subunits.

  • It has many ribosomal proteins.

  • Does putting the tag on only one subunit work well?

  • And then, of course, they need to think about the activity.

  • And so they presented a number of different assays

  • in this paper ranging from looking at kinetics

  • of peptide bond formation to looking

  • at kinetic studies of release with one of the release factors

  • here.

  • So let's think about the purity analysis.

  • And what we're going to focus on is there chromatogram, right?

  • So as we know, they took their column of GSH.

  • They first loaded that column with the GST/MS2 fusion

  • protein, and then they added their crude sample

  • and eluted with GSH, right?

  • And so the data they present for the chromatogram for monitoring

  • fractions of that column is shown here, OK?

  • So what does this tell us?

  • What do we see in this chromatogram?

  • So what are they monitoring?

  • So first you want to read your axes, right?

  • So what are they monitoring.

  • AUDIENCE: A260.

  • ELIZABETH NOLAN: Yes, that's the y-axis.

  • And why A260?

  • Going back to 20 minutes ago.

  • AUDIENCE: DNA.

  • ELIZABETH NOLAN: Nucleotides, right?

  • Do we want to monitor DNA here?

  • It will work for DNA.

  • AUDIENCE: Oh, RNA

  • ELIZABETH NOLAN: Yeah.

  • So we have the 23S, 16S rRNA.

  • So we're looking at A260, which makes sense.

  • We're trying to purify the ribosome.

  • Volume, what is this volume?

  • AUDIENCE: The elution volume.

  • ELIZABETH NOLAN: Right.

  • The volume eluted from the column.

  • So looking at this trace, what do we see?

  • AUDIENCE: There's a peak [INAUDIBLE]

  • maybe there's some [INAUDIBLE] introduced later.

  • ELIZABETH NOLAN: OK.

  • So you've mixed what you see with an interpretation.

  • So let's just stick right now to what do we see in the trace?

  • And then we're going to think about where

  • these things come from.

  • And that's just something important,

  • I think, with the problems we give in this course.

  • First, you want to ask just what does the data say?

  • And then, how do we interpret this data

  • based on our knowledge of a system here, OK?

  • So do you see what I mean, how you mixed what you see here

  • and a potential interpretation?

  • So just what do we see?

  • AUDIENCE: Two peaks.

  • ELIZABETH NOLAN: So there's--

  • Yeah.

  • Rebecca?

  • AUDIENCE: Just the large broad peak

  • that results immediately, and then a smaller separate peak.

  • ELIZABETH NOLAN: So that's a very nice description.

  • We see a broad peak with high A260 absorbance,

  • then it elutes immediately.

  • And then later, there's a peak just after 30 mils that's

  • sharper, right?

  • So what are these peaks?

  • What came off here?

  • AUDIENCE: Everything else.

  • ELIZABETH NOLAN: Yeah.

  • So what's everything else?

  • AUDIENCE: DNA, [INAUDIBLE].

  • ELIZABETH NOLAN: Yeah.

  • So things that didn't stick to the column, right?

  • They got washed out.

  • So maybe the native ribosomes, right?

  • Maybe there's DNA in there, tRNAs.

  • Could there be EFTU with tRNA bound, right?

  • And there are things we're not seeing, right?

  • So what do we think about the second peak?

  • AUDIENCE: It's much less broad.

  • It's pretty sharp, so that will tell you

  • that it's likely only one thing that

  • has bound to the column a lot.

  • So that would probably be your His-tag.

  • ELIZABETH NOLAN: Is this a His-tag here?

  • I know we're going back and forth because you're all

  • more familiar with His-tags.

  • AUDIENCE: Your affinity tag.

  • ELIZABETH NOLAN: Right.

  • So this is likely what was tagged, right?

  • And with GSH elution, we disrupted

  • the binding interaction with GST,

  • and it came off the column.

  • Do we know that it's only one thing?

  • No.

  • At this stage, we don't, right?

  • So what are possibilities?

  • What could this be?

  • So we have the tag on the 50S.

  • Because the only-- I mean, it's coming off here

  • just based on the amount of GSH required to push it off

  • the column there.

  • AUDIENCE: It could be a mixture of intact ribosome, which

  • is the cell that gets tagged.

  • ELIZABETH NOLAN: Right.

  • Yeah.

  • So we don't know right now in terms of the whole composition

  • of this peak, right?

  • It could be intact 70S because 30S came down.

  • It could be 50S alone.

  • And there's always the possibility

  • of some other contaminant that just for whatever reason

  • came off the column then there.

  • OK.

  • Would you be excited by this chromatogram

  • if you were the person at the bench doing this work?

  • Yeah.

  • You'd be super excited, right?

  • So it looks quite good.

  • So of course, there needs to be some more analyses done.

  • And one analysis we're not going to go into in detail

  • but they needed to ask, is this really all tagged ribosome

  • or is there also some contamination of wild-type?

  • And so they designed some analysis using a technique

  • called primary extension to look at that there.

  • And what they saw is that they primarily

  • had the tagged ribosome, which was good news.

  • So getting at the question in terms of what's actually

  • in this peak, they looked at effectively,

  • say, subunit integrity.

  • And how did they do this?

  • They used centrifugation.

  • And does anyone recall what type of centrifugation they used?

  • AUDIENCE: Sucrose density gradient.

  • ELIZABETH NOLAN: Yes.

  • So they used a sucrose gradient, right?

  • And how does that let you do separation?

  • AUDIENCE: By density.

  • ELIZABETH NOLAN: Right, by density.

  • And we have the different subunits of different sizes,

  • different density there, right?

  • So this is the data they show.

  • And so, again, we want to look at these data and ask

  • what do we see and what does that tell us, right?

  • So these are the results from the sucrose gradient

  • centrifugation.

  • And they looked at untied wild-type ribosomes,

  • so isolated 70S and then the tied ribosome.

  • So what was the key part of the sample preparation here?

  • How did they prepare these samples

  • to be able to look at the subunits individually?

  • Because the question they're getting at is,

  • what is the ratio of the 50S to the 30S in the sample that

  • was purified from the column?

  • AUDIENCE: They dialyzed using magnesium buffer.

  • ELIZABETH NOLAN: Yeah.

  • So what was it about the magnesium in the buffer?

  • AUDIENCE: It causes disassociation

  • between the 30S and the 50S.

  • ELIZABETH NOLAN: So why?

  • Maybe you said it, and I didn't hear you.

  • What was it about the buffer that allowed this?

  • AUDIENCE: Is it the positive charge?

  • ELIZABETH NOLAN: Well, it is the magnesium, but was it low

  • or high magnesium buffer?

  • AUDIENCE: Oh, low.

  • ELIZABETH NOLAN: Low, Right?

  • So we learned that magnesium is important for interactions

  • between these subunits, right?

  • And you've seen some of the experimental details

  • in the paper for recitation two and three,

  • they used different concentrations of magnesium.

  • In this case, they want to separate the two subunits.

  • So they basically used a low magnesium buffer

  • to allow them to dissociate.

  • So in these data, what are we looking at?

  • The axes aren't shown, but what are they?

  • AUDIENCE: I have a question.

  • Why not just a no-magnesium buffer?

  • ELIZABETH NOLAN: Could that be bad for the sample?

  • How low is the magnesium in the buffer?

  • AUDIENCE: One millimolar.

  • ELIZABETH NOLAN: One millimolar.

  • So where else might the magnesium go?

  • Is it only important for this interaction?

  • AUDIENCE: I mean I guess it's useful.

  • It can be used in a lot of different places

  • actually in the cell.

  • ELIZABETH NOLAN: OK.

  • But we don't have the cell here.

  • We have the purified ribosome.

  • AUDIENCE: Is it possible that it's

  • holding together the actual conformation

  • of the 50S and the 30S?

  • ELIZABETH NOLAN: Yeah, right.

  • I mean, that may--

  • I actually don't know what would happen

  • if this goes into a no-magnesium buffer, right?

  • But I think there's about a dozen contacts where

  • magnesium is used between the two subunits.

  • And you can imagine there's plenty

  • of interactions of magnesium or cations

  • in other places of each subunit.

  • Joanne, do you happen to know what happens if the ribosome--

  • I think you get a big unfolded mess.

  • JOANNE STUBBE: It would be hard to get rid of the magnesium

  • because it has key binding sites along the place

  • where it comes off and goes back on.

  • ELIZABETH NOLAN: Yeah.

  • So what are the axes?

  • If we were to have them, what are we looking at?

  • AUDIENCE: I think the gradient.

  • ELIZABETH NOLAN: Yeah.

  • Right.

  • So we have basically, yeah, the percent sucrose,

  • say, the gradient-- or the density, right?

  • And how are we seeing these peaks?

  • AUDIENCE: We see two peaks and the upper graph

  • we see the peaks are more similar in size.

  • And then in the second part we see-- well, we see two peaks

  • but one peak has a shift over.

  • ELIZABETH NOLAN: Right.

  • So just backing up.

  • That's all certainly the case.

  • How are we detecting these peaks?

  • What's the readout?

  • So we have some sucrose gradient here.

  • How do we see the peaks?

  • AUDIENCE: PUB.

  • ELIZABETH NOLAN: Well, what, more specifically?

  • AUDIENCE: Oh, A280.

  • ELIZABETH NOLAN: Yeah.

  • So here, they're using the absorbance at 280, right?

  • So a little different than the chromatogram, but that's OK,

  • right?

  • There's 280 absorbance here and maybe their instrument for this

  • didn't allow 260.

  • So as we just heard, if we look at the untagged ribosome,

  • we see that there's two peaks, and they're nicely labeled.

  • It's nicely labeled with the 30S here

  • in terms of percent sucrose in the gradient and 50S here,

  • right?

  • And so we see kind of in our standard control,

  • the peak for the 30S is smaller than the 50S,

  • and this is where they're placed.

  • And so what we want to do is compare this data to the data

  • here for the tagged ribosome.

  • OK.

  • So what are the two major observations,

  • two major differences?

  • Rebecca.

  • AUDIENCE: The second one's enriched for the proteasome,

  • there's relatively higher concentration of 50S.

  • ELIZABETH NOLAN: OK and--

  • AUDIENCE: And it's [INAUDIBLE].

  • ELIZABETH NOLAN: Yes.

  • So or another way to say that, maybe, it's

  • depleted in the 30S, right?

  • But I think you're coming across the same observation, right?

  • So first we see there is a peak corresponding to the 30S

  • and then there's this peak here which

  • is shifted relative to what we saw

  • for the 50S and the untagged ribosome.

  • And the peak heights or peak areas,

  • however you want to analyze it, that ratio

  • is very different than what we see up here.

  • So why is this shifted and why is there more 50S?

  • AUDIENCE: Can I ask a question?

  • So can you definitively say that it's enriched or depleted

  • in 30S?

  • I don't know a lot about biochemistry in general,

  • but can you say that possibly the multiple histamine--

  • oh, it's not histamine.

  • AUDIENCE: Is it just tagged because of the shift.

  • I mean, it seems like such a small derivation.

  • ELIZABETH NOLAN: OK.

  • So what else is there in the sample?

  • So we have that stem loop tag, but based on how they eluted

  • this, what else is there?

  • AUDIENCE: The fusion.

  • ELIZABETH NOLAN: The fusion protein, right?

  • So then the question is-- and this is just

  • getting to the point of needing to look at all the details

  • in terms of what's done in someone's experiment to try

  • to figure out what's happening.

  • Is the MS2 coat protein alone enough to cause a shift?

  • So what else might that be?

  • AUDIENCE: Could it be the GST?

  • ELIZABETH NOLAN: Well, you know that the GST/MS2 is there

  • because it was GSH that was used to elute that whole thing.

  • So the ribosome and the GST/MS2 fusion.

  • So I guess the question is, just thinking what is

  • the size of the fusion protein?

  • And then how does that compare to the ribosome?

  • And what does that mean in terms of a shift

  • to a different percent sucrose?

  • So just what are possibilities?

  • We learned that the fusion protein had some problems,

  • that it liked to aggregate.

  • Is it possible that contributes?

  • Is it possible that not all of the 70S was dissociated, right?

  • So there is not a label for where the 70S would come here.

  • These are just things to think about when looking at the data

  • here and to look at their explanation.

  • So is this good news or bad news?

  • And is there a solution?

  • Yeah?

  • AUDIENCE: Sorry.

  • I had a question.

  • Since they're monitoring the A280, so the protein

  • absorption, since the 50S would have the fusion

  • protein associated with it still,

  • wouldn't that affect the A280?

  • Can we definitively say that it's

  • actually depleted in the 30S or is maybe

  • just the absorbance of the 50S higher for the tagged protein

  • because of the fusion?

  • ELIZABETH NOLAN: Yeah.

  • So that's a good point, right?

  • The fusion protein is going to have some absorbance defined

  • by its extinction coefficient.

  • And then the question is, what is that in magnitude?

  • And how does that compare to, say, the total extinction

  • coefficient of the 50S, right?

  • So there are a number of ribosomal proteins, 20 to 30,

  • and we don't know how many of those

  • got through this purification, but they're there.

  • So that's how I would go about analyzing that.

  • I actually don't know what the relative absorbance

  • of the fusion protein to the intact 50S ribosome is

  • but that's a caveat to consider and could contribute.

  • So what do we think?

  • What are you going to do for an assay?

  • If we were to set these ribosomes up, the wild type

  • and the mutant one, and, let's say, do a peptide bond

  • formation reaction, like what they presented in the paper

  • as is, what would you expect?

  • Are you going to see the same activity or less activity?

  • Working under the model that we don't have enough 30S here

  • to fully form 70S ribosomes.

  • AUDIENCE: You'd expect the 30S to act

  • like the limiting agent in peptide bond formation

  • where they come together.

  • And you can only make as much ribosome as you have 30S.

  • So you would get less peptide bond formation.

  • ELIZABETH NOLAN: Right.

  • So you'd have fewer 70S assembled ribosomes

  • that can do translation.

  • Right.

  • So what was their solution to this problem?

  • Or if you don't remember, what would you do?

  • What happens if we don't have enough of a given component?

  • We'll finish on this note.

  • AUDIENCE: You just add more of the 30S.

  • ELIZABETH NOLAN: Yeah, right?

  • So you can imagine adding in more 30s there.

  • We know how to purify wild-type ribosomes,

  • can dissociate the subunits and imagine

  • purifying 30S and adding that into the reaction to have

  • the correct stochiometry there.

  • So that's exactly what they did in their assays.

  • And so I encourage you to take a look at the assays

  • they did for peptide bond formation

  • and for peptide release.

  • And in the posted notes, there's a schematic overview

  • of everything that was done to get the components

  • of their syringes.

  • So these were quench flow experiments,

  • like what you talked about in recitation in prior weeks

  • and we talked about with EFP.

  • And there's also an example where they used puromycin,

  • like what we saw with EFP, in the experimental setup, so

  • that antibiotic that causes change termination there.

  • And so what they found is that these tagged ribosomes really

  • work quite well in terms of the kinetic comparison there.

  • And they moved on with this methodology

  • to use it to purify new ribosomes for other studies.

  • So it turned out to be a useful method for their lab,

  • and I would argue, what would be a useful method for other labs,

  • based on the information they presented in their paper there.

  • OK?

  • So you're off the hook, and I'll see you in recitation

  • next week.

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