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  • Hi, everyone.

  • I'm in Australia and New Zealand off to New Zealand in the next couple of days, and I thought I'd bring you up to date with a story that's being breaking their that's of some substantial interest and a certain degree of absurdity.

  • A group they're known as Auckland Peace Action released a press release on Monday, 11th of February 2019 stating quote Jordan Peterson threatens everything of value in our society, which I had to admit.

  • It was rather impressive because that's not an easy thing to manage.

  • Anyways, I'll read you a little bit of it.

  • What happened after the release was that a journalist shown Plunkett interviewed the author or the spokesperson of this particular press release, and then we had a chance to talk the next day.

  • And so what you're going to see in this video is me reading the press release.

  • Then you're going to see Sean interviewing Iris Chris Oh, seaq Hope I've got that reasonably right of Auckland Peace Action, and then you're going to see the full interview that I had with Shaun the next day.

  • So here goes Jordan Peterson threatens everything of value in our society in the lead up to Jordan Peterson's visit to New Zealand.

  • We have a duty to condemn his sexist, queer, phobic, racist and deeply reactionary views, says Iris Chris Oh Seaq of Auckland Peace Action Jordan Peterson, professor of psychology at the University of Toronto, turned right wing media celebrity is in New Zealand to promote his book, 12 Rules for Life.

  • This book, while offering superficially useful life advice to an audience of disaffected white men, promotes a reactionary, misogynistic view of the world utterly in opposition to New Zealand values.

  • Well, we as a country have many problems.

  • We can be justly proud of.

  • Our values of gender equality, egalitarianism and social inclusivity ease as Miss Crazy Zach Jordan Peterson is actively trying to undermine these values.

  • This is distinctly unhelpful.

  • I won't read you.

  • The rest of it, you can find it at schoo politics, if you're interested on now, will turn to Shaun's interview with Iris and his analysis of her claims.

  • Iris, your group has come out with a press release yesterday that got some coverage saying Jordan Peterson threatens everything of value in our society.

  • Why?

  • What is stealing kids to clean their room up represent the end of civilization as we know what I would say.

  • It's such a telling kids to clean the room is probably not a bad thing.

  • The issue comes with a set of, you know, pretty far from all that Jordan, because of doing not really.

  • That's what his books about.

  • That's what he's promoting on this to her.

  • These men, I would say Not if you can, like, I mean, if you take a look, some of what's actually see it in his book.

  • And many of the media comedy has made elsewhere.

  • That seems quite clear that he has some seriously problematic of years.

  • 91 Okay, so let's see clips begin with the kind of service interview with Camille Paglia.

  • Um, we're in heat six million seats up.

  • Well, you know, he believes that discussions of mean he knows how you know he knows where he stands more late because kind of a guest of honor or something is backed by the recent physical force.

  • His argument is that mean can put, um ah, Men are better at putting barriers around social interaction between each other because there's three implicit and underlying reality that if things get out of control would mean have a conversation.

  • There is the possibility off physical violence, and he sees that subconscious chick on how far or how, if you like bitchy a conversation can get is tempered by that knowledge I don't see does does that very suggestion or idea which I know a lot of people agree with.

  • Does that threaten Western civilization in the very foundations in everything of value in our society?

  • Well, I'm not going to speak about what I want to kick it off with civilization and our women.

  • Well, that Constitution makes sense.

  • But if you consider something like, say, I mean, consider basically how that's going, how that kind of statement is going to be raised, I think it's going to be read by means saying we need to think about deny The difference is the biological, and I guess behavioral differences between sixes and we need to talk about these things honestly and openly if we're gonna make progress on some of the issues off gender in NASA.

  • Safi all right.

  • But on the cultural Mueller were, frankly, homosexuals are still getting beaten up.

  • We have ridiculous rates of domestic partner violence.

  • Frankly, I just just want to check his Jordan Peterson to your knowledge of a beating this wife for beating up a homosexual.

  • Nor has he ever advocated people beat their wives, obeyed homosexuals.

  • I don't believe he have.

  • No, I said that would be a night.

  • Right?

  • Can I please?

  • Um, could I please continue?

  • Yeah.

  • So effective Metro's Jordan Peterson has allowed split.

  • There are many people paying attention to him.

  • And if you're making statements in such a situation, it is vitally important that you kind of that the statements you make can not be Mr Reed in a such a way as to promote, which is he's hardly responsible for the misreading of a statement says he I would save up.

  • Look, if you want to make you feel everyone has made kind of if you don't want yes, if you do it repeatedly and you won't replace it looks that talk about things.

  • You're interested in an open and intellectual.

  • Why, that's all he does.

  • Or do you think he maybe Iris?

  • Do you think he should be shot down?

  • Do you think his ideas to too dangerous and he shouldn't be allowed to speak in New Zealand.

  • Fine.

  • Start.

  • Believe he should be shut down.

  • That's why we're not doing that.

  • The issue, how is there is a set of ideas are it's That's his ideas are rather more problematic.

  • Which, which ideas?

  • Which ones?

  • Per specifically that you should clean your room, that you should hold your shoulders back, that you should take responsibility for your own life, that people shouldn't be compelled by governments to use with its particular words in particular circumstances.

  • Okay, One of those particular words in particular circumstance.

  • Yes, I agree.

  • That would be ridiculous.

  • That makes the government two four effectively took use government used.

  • The first government will force to do their best.

  • But we're just taking our being read into the media, including by some people.

  • Yeah, well, he can't be responsible for the stupidity of people reading his statement skinny again.

  • As I'm saying, Do you think that's still enough?

  • Responsible?

  • Do you think that I do feel that people are never responsible for things?

  • Well, yeah.

  • No, not particularly.

  • But I'd also say that it would seem to me from my observation of the impact that Jordan Peterson has head on people's lives that it's been overwhelmingly positive for a huge number of people, which is why so incredibly popular.

  • In point of fact, you can say the same thing about a lot of fascist movements.

  • They have a very positive effect on the life of meaning.

  • Young.

  • Are you saying that he's a fascist?

  • No, I'm not saying I am saying that here I am saying that he's exploiting a lot of the same kind of exploiting anything.

  • He doesn't compel anyone to go to his talks to look at his stuff on YouTube as it's exposing anyone.

  • I'm not think I mean exploiting in terms of he is using the same check like he is using the same basic psychological mechanisms to build a base.

  • Well, what base?

  • He's just saying what he thinks and people happen to be interested.

  • Are you suggesting he's running some campaign to destroy the Western world?

  • Hardly.

  • I just I just think that he is a very responsible man who is making it well, let's talk about let's talk about responsibility, shall we?

  • In your group Oakland P section, you would like people not to go and see, see it in films and you're happy to physically into, say, to stop them seeing sitting films and infect your Wellington branch bought fake bombs to create terror at 2018 at a film festival.

  • And stop people watching a film about being Gary in Right.

  • Is that rot iris?

  • Sexually correct.

  • So you're putting a very negative spin alone in the world.

  • Let's just think I was just saying some Thanks, Mike.

  • So what do you think is a greater threat to our society threatening to plant fake bombs in a movie theater and telling people they can't go and see a movie because your group doesn't like it?

  • Do you think that's a greater threat to our society than Jordan Peterson bookie out of hall and say, Pay some money and come and see me if you want.

  • I mean Jordan peace.

  • Certainly greater.

  • Fritz.

  • Imagine a life groups in society, I can tell you that I've got like, I can tell you that what he's saying about trans people that were people about woman I've never seen him say anything negative about woman, trans people or career people.

  • I've never seen you sing and be your homophobic transphobic or misogynistic, and I believe May I have watched a lot of what Jordan Peterson sees and does.

  • I've never once anywhere seen him being misogynistic, homophobic or transphobic.

  • Can you point me to a new example where he has been?

  • What do you mean, like, what do you mean by an example?

  • Wear an example where he in any way is misogynistic, homophobic or trains?

  • Fiber.

  • So you do not feel that kind of saying You do not feel that effectively saying the woman you didn't just to be clear, you don't feel the thing.

  • That woman were woman Well, lipsticks work in order to appear sexually provocative.

  • No, he's not saying that he's never see that what he said IRS.

  • What he said Iris is if we need to, if we accept it and we've gotta have some rose.

  • He understands the biology of meaning woman, and he says men need to respect women's boundaries, and he's always very, very clear about that.

  • But he says, if we're gonna have a de sexualized workplace, if we're gonna have a set of rules, let's be very clear about what those rules are.

  • He would argue that make up right.

  • That makeup is designed as a sexual display in its pure.

  • In an academic sense, people put on on makeup or have traditionally put on makeup as a sexual display.

  • And he said, Okay, if we're gonna have workplaces, were six in any sort of sort of interaction of that nature between the the genders is off the agenda.

  • Maybe we need to think about makeup in the workplace.

  • He is not accusing woman.

  • He's not slapped, shaming, and he's not sitting there saying Woman, bring it on themselves He's just saying, We need to be realistic about what the rules and boundaries are.

  • Okay, so a question for you, if you will.

  • You're so Jordan.

  • Apparently so.

  • Jordan Peterson say things which clearly you know what you clearly feel are are not probably we'll know millions of people think is not problematic.

  • And millions of people think seem to think He's saying stuff that now and said the balls to say for for a while and they're on board with them saying stuff, no, instead of balls to say it's really pretty.

  • Frankly, that's what I'd say.

  • Your movement prides itself on doing yes, but we are saying it's simply because no one else had the balls to say it.

  • We say it because we generate genuinely believe in our political position.

  • And I'm sure that Jordan Peterson genuinely believes in his.

  • And actually, to be honest, they seem more strip mainstream and least of a three to society, then buying fake bombs to scare people out of going to see a movie in New Zealand.

  • So, just out of curiosity, how do you feel about, like, what kind of 60 think, say, Biden are bombing civilians happen society?

  • Because that's what we wanted me to be a part about.

  • Okay, Does does you saying Jordan Peterson bombed civilians?

  • No, I'm know what I'm saying.

  • Then why?

  • When we're talking about your press release about Jordan Peterson, would you bring that up?

  • Well, why do you keep bringing up about Oh, you know, because it's your group that put out the priest releasing that your group that bought fake bombs and said that people shouldn't go and see a movie you didn't like in a free country?

  • Dear Lord, Well, let me put it this way.

  • Let me put it this way if you want.

  • Like, if you're going to look, if your judgment.

  • Okay, Iris, I might just be suggesting that your priest releases a little bit over the top.

  • Are you prepared to admit that on the back of this interview, nor simply because I simply because I am living kind of on a fairly daily on a fairly regular basis was the effect of the Georgian peace talks about having on her?

  • You know, we're getting repeated consistent harassment from rabbit from frankly, from Jordan had the united Jordan pages in vans because they say so.

  • So Jordan Peters is inciting people to hate on you.

  • Yes.

  • He has been fighting people.

  • Give me an example.

  • Give me an example.

  • Okay.

  • So it's personal.

  • Okay, So in the wake of a priest, really were frankly, we are currently in Look, we don't really Look, we got on email from I mean, from frankly, what appears to be a white nationalist.

  • Yeah, everything that we take a look at it suggesting that we take a look at a whole bunch of, well, frankly, nasty videos.

  • Yeah.

  • Are they Jordan Peterson?