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  • How are you doing?

  • What's the matter, that you're making a cringey face?

  • I messed up my back.

  • That's why I was old lady dancing just now.

  • Nothing worse than back pain.

  • I know, yeah.

  • What'd you do?

  • I was moving a piece of exercise equipment.

  • That's old people stuff.

  • Yeah.

  • I have an exercise bike.

  • It's not working, so I was going to get rid of it.

  • So I moved it and tore my back up.

  • Oh no.

  • [INAUDIBLE] I should have just got my butt on the bike, huh?

  • Yeah, I was going to say--

  • Work out a little bit--

  • Then move it after that.

  • Then move it.

  • Yeah.

  • You're very busy lately, aren't you?

  • I am.

  • I'm really busy.

  • Very-- what are you doing?

  • Well, I'm here.

  • And I notice every time I come here, you give me an extra job.

  • But you got coffee out of it.

  • I'm a twofer.

  • Yeah.

  • Yeah, busy, man-- just been traveling and everything,

  • and just coming off the holidays, getting back into it.

  • We were in Mexico with the family for the holidays.

  • That was fun.

  • Do you speak Spanish?

  • No, no, no, I don't.

  • Well, because Alex speaks French, so I assumed--

  • Yeah, and she speaks Spanish too.

  • Oh, she does?

  • Yeah, show-off-- but the thing that bugs me,

  • because whenever we travel, we go to another country,

  • we get in the car and Alex always asks the driver

  • to play the local music.

  • We get it, the guy has some nice popular music going on,

  • and she's like, can you put on the local music please?

  • I want to hear local music.

  • Guy puts on a local music--

  • within three minutes, she's looking at me like--

  • and wants me to ask the guy to change the channel.

  • Right.

  • So I'm like [INAUDIBLE] it never fails.

  • So now, I gotta make up stuff, like, excuse me, sir,

  • I have to make a phone call.

  • Can you turn the music down?

  • Just turn it off.

  • Just turn it off.

  • Turn it off.

  • But this time, she did it again.

  • We're in Mexico-- business as usual.

  • Can you play the local music?

  • Guy puts on the music, she looks at me, and I'm like, uh-uh.

  • You're going to suffer through this.

  • I was like, hey, man, turn it up.

  • Turn it up.

  • We could be listening to Lizzo right now.

  • Uh-huh.

  • But no, you want to hear local music.

  • There you go.

  • I can take it.

  • As long as I know you're suffering more, I'm good.

  • It's a lovely relationship--

  • and now, are the twins in the car when this is happening?

  • No.

  • No, the twins are not in the--

  • They don't travel with you?

  • Oh yeah, they were with us.

  • They were in the car.

  • Yeah, they were with us, but they were on the tablets.

  • You forgot that they were with you?

  • How are they?

  • They're quiet.

  • They're on their tablets.

  • They're quiet.

  • Oh, well, that's good.

  • Yeah.

  • They're 10.

  • Yeah, they're 10 years old now.

  • What are they doing now?

  • How are they?

  • They're doing great.

  • They're doing great-- school and everything.

  • But they've gotten to this place now--

  • because while we were on vacation, they came to me,

  • and Olivia was like, mommy-boo--

  • they call me mommy-boo because they're racist.

  • Thought they'd grow out of it by now, but nope--

  • still mommy-boo.

  • That's my name.

  • What do they call Alex?

  • Mama.

  • OK.

  • It's funny.

  • My mother and father-- they're at my house right now watching

  • the kids, and I called the house, and no one answered.

  • And I called again-- no one answered,

  • so I finally called my mom on her cell phone, and I was like,

  • everything OK?

  • You guys aren't picking up.

  • She said, I didn't know what that was.

  • The phone came up and it said "mombo".

  • And I was like, who the hell is mombo?

  • I was like, oh boy.

  • That's somebody from Africa calling here.

  • They try to trick you.

  • They always calling, talking about a princess or something.

  • I never answer those calls.

  • I couldn't tell her it was me.

  • It was embarrassing.

  • But anyway, so the kids go, mom-boo, our friends,

  • they tell us that you talk about us on your shows

  • because their parents let them watch your show.

  • Those are bad parents.

  • Yeah, yeah.

  • And she said, but they-- so they let their kids watch it

  • and then they come and tell us and joke on

  • us about the stories you tell, so we would like for you

  • not to talk about us anymore.

  • And I was like, you know what, I don't want to hurt y'all.

  • And if it bothers you, I will not talk about you anymore,

  • but this will probably be our last vacation.

  • [APPLAUSE]

  • We're going to be doing some staycations.

  • So now you can talk about them again.

  • They want to go places.

  • All right, we have to take a break-- more with Wanda

  • after this.

  • That is called Visible, Out on Television.

  • And it's something that you're the executive producer of.

  • One of them--

  • One of them-- and tell everybody--

  • a lot of people are in this.

  • Yes-- amazing that these people shared their stories with us--

  • and especially you.

  • And it's documenting the history of LGBTQ community

  • on television.

  • And these stories are amazing.

  • And what I love about it-- it shows not just our history,

  • but it just shows that--

  • the how important being seen on television--

  • how important it is, and how it does actually affect change.

  • It moves the needle.

  • Yeah.

  • And to me, I just hope that people

  • who get to make decisions--

  • that they see this and realize that, oh, it's important for us

  • to let marginalized people tell their stories.

  • And the story doesn't have to be about, I'm gay.

  • There's more to us than that.

  • Right.

  • It's amazing.

  • But like I said, there's a bunch of people [INAUDIBLE]..

  • Oh my God, yeah.

  • You're in it, myself--

  • Neil Patrick Harris--

  • Neil Patrick Harris--

  • It's enough to make a whole full special.

  • Billie Jean King.

  • It's not just the two of us.

  • Yeah, right.

  • It's just the two of us in it.

  • But it's great.

  • When you look back on when you were watching TV,

  • who was the first gay person that you saw?

  • I guess it had to be Liberace, because I never watched it

  • Ed Sullivan, Liberace, and all.

  • And my grandmother and my parents,

  • they were watching-- they were like, that man