it's naturally supernatural. I have got

a passion to rescue young people that are caught in

the lies of the school system to undermine the validity of the

Bible.

My guest has absolute scientific proof, because he's an

outstanding scientist that evolution is not scientific.

Is there a supernatural dimension?

a world beyond the one we know?

Is there life after death?

Do angels exist?

Can our dreams contain messages from Heaven?

Can we tap into ancient secrets of the supernatural?

Are healing miracles real?

Sid Roth has spent over 35 years researching the strange world of

the supernatural.

Join Sid for this edition of It's Supernatural!

Sid: My guest Bruce Malone is a scientist.

He was with Dow Chemical for 30 years.

He was one of the top 100 inventors.

He had 18 inventions that raised millions of dollars.

But taking you back when you were in college, you told me God

was irrelevant to you.

But you had a deadly virus and because of this deadly virus you

came to your senses and became a believer in Messiah.

But what I want him to tell you, as a scientist that could not

possibly believe in creationism, that could not possibly believe

that there was a worldwide flood, he goes to church shortly

thereafter and he hears a lecture by a creationist.

What effect did it have on you.

Bruce: Well it shook my entire view of reality.

I mean, everything I had been taught is this earth is billions

of years old.

And yet, this speaker was showing how fossils could not

possibly billions of years old.

And the more I studied, the more I realized that's true.

I mean, if you think about a fossil, it's a dead animal

caught in a rock layer.

And yet, a fish that dies in your aquarium, it doesn't turn

into a fossil.

It doesn't fossilize.

It's just eaten up and deteriorates, and turns into

food for other animals.

Sid: So what makes a fossil?

Bruce: In order to make a fossil, you have to have

something die and be buried very deeply and very rapidly, and

then lots of water flush through the rock layers as the sediment

is turned into rock.

And yet, there are billions of dead things turned into fossils

into rock layers covering this entire planet.

It's testimony that this entire globe has been deluged by an

incredible flood in the fairly recent past.

Sid: And what effect did that have on you?

Bruce: Well I realize what I had been told about world history

couldn't possibly be true because the very rocks

themselves don't match the characteristics of these huge

time periods.

Sid: But you also found out that this whole thing you believe,

this theory of evolution was false.

Tell me one of the major reasons.

Bruce: Well I'll give you two major reasons.

When you go to the bottom of these rock layers that were laid

down under water, they were all laid down under water, you find

enormous gaps between every very different kind of creature.

You'll find single cell organisms in starfish with

nothing in between.

How do you do that?

How do you go from a single cell to a starfish and leave nothing

in between?

It's like it was created.

There are starfish and lobsters, and coral, and different kinds

of animals, very different from each other with enormous gaps.

Second, we have very recently been discovering dinosaur bones

that have totally unfossilized soft, stretchy tissue inside the

bones.

Now Sid, think about this.

If your grandfather's dog died and he buried it in his backyard

and you came back 50 years later and dug in that spot, would you

find any bones left, any soft tissue left?

No, you wouldn't.

Sid: It would all be decayed.

Bruce: All things that used to be alive totally decay.

They turn back into molecules that totally disappear.

No fossils are tissue that have turned into rock.

But inside of that rock we find soft tissue.

It can't be there unless those bones were buried very recently.

And we have found dozens of these dinosaur bones with soft

tissue in Montana, in Siberia, over in Europe, around the world

still with soft tissue inside of them.

Sid: So where did we get the earth is a million, a billion

years old, or whatever?

Bruce: Well you have to realize what's going on in science.

There are only two possibilities to explain everything.

I mean, pretend the entire earth is represented by this puzzle,

this box.

Sid: Okay.

Bruce: Either the puzzle made itself either all the pieces,

which are like the animals we find all over the earth, made

themselves or something outside of this box made the box.

Science has been defined as only allowing natural processes.

Sid: So what you're saying to me is you're telling me over a

billion years that I could throw these pieces like this and

they'll all make themselves into a puzzle.

You got more faith than I got.

Bruce: Exactly.

That's the way science operates.

Let's just pretend it made itself.

But I'm telling you, the laws of science show us it couldn't have

made itself.

And the evidence from the rock layers say they were laid down

rapidly.

Sid: I'm going to tell you something.

The evidence that he has, it's irrefutable.

I want you to think for yourself.

We're going to come back and you're going to find out

something that is as ridiculous as these pieces of puzzle making

themselves.

We'll be right back to It's Supernatural!

We now return to It's Supernatural!

Sid: Okay.

Now the earth according to many scientists is billions of years

old.

We have scientific inventions that help us date how old the

earth is.

What do you say about the book called the Bible that says the

earth is a little over 6000 years old?

Bruce: Well what you're not hearing about, Sid, is that the

vast majority of dating methods indicate a very recent creation.

But to explain life without God you've got to have enormous

periods of time.

So they only pick the methods that seem to indicate, well

maybe there has been a lot of time.

Let me just explain one, radial carbon dating.

Everybody has heard about that.

And I'll show you why it really supports a recent creation.

All of our bodies are made of carbon.

A certain amount disappears every so often.

So as soon as you die it starts disappearing.

Say the carbon in your body is represented by this sheet of

paper.

After so many years, half of it disappears.

After so many more years another half disappears.

So many more years, half disappears and the a half more

disappears, and a half more disappears.

We can measure how fast that happens today.

You see what's happening?

You get less and less, and less until eventually you don't even

have a single molecule of the paper left.

So scientists measure how much something has died, they dig it

up out of the ground, they measure how much radial carbon

is left and they calculate, well then it must have been alive

thousands of years ago because there's hardly any left.

This is what you're not told.

This is what students aren't told.

We can dig up dinosaur bones or coal that was supposedly buried

hundreds of millions of years ago.

There shouldn't be a single atom of radial carbon left.

Just like you can't keep dividing the paper over and over

again.

And yet, we find like this much radial carbon left in those

things.

It says those dinosaur bones, those coal scenes couldn't

possibly be as old as we're told because there's enormous amounts

of this radial carbon left in them.

Sid: So could it be what the Bible says, a little over 6000

years old?

Bruce: See, that's what I explain to people when I go out

and I teach in churches and in schools, the vast majority of

the evidence indicates those things are very young exactly as

the Bible indicates.

Sid: Okay.

Another subject.

Is there any proof that a creature has turned into another

creature or the whole evolutionary cycle?

Bruce: There is absolutely no proof for that.

What you get is variations within a kind of creature.

It's like, you look at all the different kind of dogs we have.

We have Chihuahuas and we have Great Danes.

But they all came from the information God put within the

first wolf type creature.

And then you get lots of variation.

But a dog has never turned into a cow, and it's never been shown

how it could happen.

Now what evolution will do is line things up as you see in

museums and in textbooks.

Sid: Speaking of lining things up, the American Museum of

Natural History has an exhibition of horses.

Tell me about that how it lines things up.

Bruce: It's a classic example.

You see it in the textbooks and the museums.

They'll line up creatures that have three toes and then

creatures that have two toes, and the creatures that have a

single hoof, it would be a small creature and the a medium size

creature, and then a big creature, you see that proves

the horse evolved from a different creature.

Once again, remember you're not being told the whole story.

We have since then became very popular shown, all those

creatures have been found in the same layer of rocks.

So how could one turn into another?

Sid: But wait.

Now you're talking science to me.

You're talking scientific fact.

That blows that exhibit out of the water.

Bruce: Blows it out of the water.

Sid: Why is it still there?

Bruce: Because you've got to try to pretend that it happened so

they'll leave it there.

Sid: Why do you have to pretend?

Bruce: Because the only alternative is that God made

horses.

One moment there wasn't a horse, the next moment there was.

We have lots of variety.

Some of these horses have since went extinct.

But they were simply horses with lots of variety, just like we

have dogs with lots of variety.

Sid: All right.

But what about we hear from time to time these missing links,

these half, these apes that really look like they're almost

human?

Bruce: It's storytelling, Sid.

Sid: How come they find bones?

They find bones.

Bruce: I could find a tricycle and a bicycle, and a motorcycle,

and a car buried in the ground, and I can line them up and say,

see, that proves that that tricycle turned into that

automobile all by itself.

That's the same thing with the bones.

That's how you can think about them.

It's a story to try to explain things as if God hasn't done it.

It's just bones that are lined up.

Doesn't mean one is turned into another.

Sid: As a scientist, I want you to help me.

Now this is what doesn't make sense to me.

They say, you know, a monkey became an ape, became a human.

This is taught as science.

So therefore, if that be true, why aren't there some half-apes

and half-men walking around?

Bruce: Because half of something doesn't work.

A half of a feather can't fly.

You can't have a reptile scale fraying and turning into a

feather and have both animals be useful in some way.

It just wouldn't work.

Sid: Tell me about the bees and the pollination of flowers.

Bruce: Well remember, if you're not going to believe God created

different kind of creatures, you got to believe that something

turned into something else, that turned something else, and

something else.

So they'll line them up like the tricycle of a car, except they

do it with bones.

They find flowers and plants in different rock layers, and they

give them certain ages.

They pick a dating method that supports their belief system.

They believe flowering plants developed about a hundred

million years ago.