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  • MARTHA.

  • >> Martha: THANK YOU.

  • WE ARE NOW, FORMER ACTING

  • ATTORNEY GENERAL MATT WHITAKER.

  • GOOD TO SEE HER TONIGHT, WHAT

  • YOU MAKE OF THIS?

  • >> THANK YOU.

  • I THINK THIS IS A CLEAR EXAMPLE

  • OF SOMEONE THAT'S PART OF THE

  • DEEP STATE, MAY BE PART OF THE

  • DEEP STATE IN THE INTELLIGENCE

  • COMMUNITY, TAKING ADVANTAGE OF

  • THIS WHISTLE-BLOWER PROCEDURE,

  • WHICH IS CLEARLY, AS TORRES

  • REPORTED, OUTSIDE OF THE

  • INTENTION OF THIS, AND THEN

  • TRYING TO CREATE THIS FIRESTORM

  • AND I THINK IT IS COMPLETELY

  • OVERBLOWN AS IT WAS SUGGESTED.

  • >> Martha: HOW DO YOU KNOW

  • THOUGH?

  • WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IS?

  • WHAT WE DO KNOW IS THE

  • WHISTLE-BLOWER BROUGHT IT TO THE

  • IG AND THE IG ALSO FELT THAT IT

  • WAS WORTH WRITING UP AND SENDING

  • OUT A REPORT ON, SO THE IG

  • DIDN'T LOOK AT HIM AND SAY THIS

  • IS RIDICULOUS, WE'RE NOT GOING

  • TO DO THIS.

  • THAT'S TWO PEOPLE.

  • >> I ALSO KNOW THAT THE GENERAL

  • COUNSEL FROM DNI AND THE ACTING

  • DNI DIRECTOR LOOKED AT THIS AND

  • SAW IT EXACTLY WHAT IT WAS FOR.

  • CONGRESS OVERREACTS AND

  • ADAM SCHIFF IS GOING TO FIND ANY

  • CAMERA TO GET IN FRONT OF THEM

  • COMPLAIN ABOUT BUT THE BOTTOM

  • LINE IS THE PRESIDENT HAS BROAD

  • DISCRETION IN THE AREAS TO

  • NEGOTIATE WITH WORLD LEADERS AND

  • HAVE A FEELING THAT WE DO HEAR

  • THE WHOLE STORY, IT WILL BE A

  • BIG NOTHING BURGER.

  • >> Martha: AND MY GUESS IS

  • THAT WE WILL.

  • ESPECIALLY IF THEY DO TURN IT

  • OVER TO CONGRESS, I THINK THAT'S

  • PROBABLY ONE OF THE HESITATIONS,

  • BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THEN

  • ANOTHER CONVERSATION FOR THE

  • PRESIDENT A FOREIGN LEADER WILL

  • BECOME PART OF THE PUBLIC DOMAI

  • DOMAIN.

  • FORMER CIA -- GO AHEAD.

  • >> AND IT ALSO IS AN EXAMPLE OF

  • THIS PERSON WHO CLEARLY

  • DISAGREED WITH WHATEVER THE

  • POSITION THE PRESIDENT DID TAKE

  • IN THIS CONVERSATION WANTED TO

  • GET THAT OUT THERE.

  • THEIR TAKE WAS DIFFERENT AND I

  • DISAGREED WITH THE PRESIDENT

  • WHATEVER HE SAID, THEY TRY TO

  • GET THAT OUT AND GET INTO

  • "THE WASHINGTON POST," GET IT TO

  • CONGRESS DOING EXACTLY WHAT THEY

  • INTEND TO DO.

  • >> Martha: I THOUGHT IT WAS

  • INTERESTING THAT FORMER CIA

  • ANALYST AND CNN COUNTERTERRORISM

  • ANALYST WHO IS NOT A BIG FAN OF

  • THE PRESIDENT, HE WAS OUTRAGED

  • BY THIS.

  • LET'S WATCH WHAT HE HAD TO SAY.

  • >> I'M ABOUT READY TO BLOW A

  • GASKET.

  • THAT IS EXTREMELY UNUSUAL.

  • WHAT THE HECK IS OVER THE LINE?

  • THE PRESIDENT CAN SAY WHAT HE

  • WANTS TO PUTIN.

  • HE CAN SAY WHAT HE WANTS TO

  • KIM JONG UN.

  • THE PRESIDENT CAN SAY WHAT HE

  • WANTS.

  • IT'S NOT THE RESPONSIBILITY OF

  • THE INTEL GUYS TO GO POLICE THE

  • PRESIDENT AND GO SNITCH ON HIM

  • TO THE CONGRESS.

  • RIDICULOUS.

  • >> Martha: I THINK THAT'S VERY

  • INTERESTING AND IT RAISES THE

  • QUESTION, WHAT WOULD RISE TO THE

  • LEVEL OF WHAT THIS INDIVIDUAL

  • HAS CHOSEN TO DO?

  • >> I THINK THE ONLY THING WE

  • KNOW IS THIS INDIVIDUAL,

  • ESPECIALLY IF THEY ARE THE

  • SOURCE FOR

  • "THE WASHINGTON POST," MAY HAVE

  • VIOLATED THE LAW IN PROVIDING

  • INTELLIGENCE AND CLASSIFIED

  • INFORMATION TO THE PRESS VIA

  • LEAK OUTSIDE OF THE BOUNDS OF

  • THE WAY THE SYSTEM IS SET UP TO

  • BE SO I AGREE WITH -- ONE OF THE

  • RARE SITUATIONS I AGREE WITH

  • HIM, I THINK THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS

  • CONDUCT IN THE PRESIDENT IS

  • ENTITLED TO NEGOTIATE ON BEHALF

  • OF THE UNITED STATES, IT'S A

  • CONSTITUTIONAL POWER AND I JUST

  • CAN'T IMAGINE A SITUATION WHERE

  • WHATEVER HE SAID TO ONE OF THESE

  • INDIVIDUALS COULD BE SAID AS

  • MAKING A PROMISE OR A COMMITMENT

  • THAT STEPS OVER THE LINE BECAUSE

  • THE PRESIDENT 'HIS POWERS ARE SO

  • BROAD.

  • >> Martha: I ALSO THINK THE

  • ADDITIONAL DETAILS THAT CAME UP

  • THIS AFTERNOON, IT WASN'T JUST A

  • PROMISE OR ONE THING, BUT IT WAS

  • ACTUALLY A LOT OF THINGS.

  • IN SOME WAYS COULD

  • POTENTIALLY -- IT MIGHT JUST BE

  • AN INDICATION OF OVERALL

  • DISGRUNTLED WITH THE WAY THE

  • PRESIDENT WAS DEALING WITH.

  • SO WE WILL SEE.

  • WHAT ABOUT THE CRITICISM OF THE

  • DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE?

  • BECAUSE SOME ARE SAYING THAT

  • THEY SORT OF STEPPED IN BETWEEN

  • HERE TO PREVENT WHAT DEMOCRATS

  • AS THE CORRECT PROCEDURE, WHICH

  • WOULD BE TO RELEASE THE REPORT

  • TO THE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE TO

  • HAVE THEM HAVE A LOOK AT IT BUT

  • THE DOJ STANDING IN THE WAY OF

  • THAT.

  • >> THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE AND

  • ESPECIALLY THE OFFICE OF LEGAL

  • COUNSEL, WHO IS THE LAWYER OF

  • THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH AND SOME OF

  • THE SMARTEST PEOPLE THAT I KNOW

  • AND HAVE WORKED WITH MANY OF

  • THEM UP CLOSE AND PERSONAL.

  • THEY ARE THE ONES THAT GET TO

  • DECIDE THESE ISSUES REGARDING

  • WHAT THE LAW IS AND WHAT YOU CAN

  • AND CAN'T DO AND I WOULD STAND

  • BEHIND REALLY ANYTHING THEY SAY

  • BECAUSE STEVE ENGEL AND HIS

  • GROUP ARE JUST THE SMARTEST

  • LAWYERS AND THE GOVERNMENT.

  • >> Martha: ALSO JUST AS A LAST

  • MENTION, THE INSPECTOR GENERAL'S

  • JOB IS TO SORT OF OVERSEE THE

  • DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE UNDER THEM

  • IN THE INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES, SO

  • IT DOES SEEM THAT IT'S

  • POTENTIALLY A VALID ARGUMENT

  • THAT THE PRESIDENT IS OUTSIDE OF

  • THAT CIRCLE AND THEY DON'T HAVE

  • JURISDICTION OVER THAT.

  • >> THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT, SO THE

  • INSPECTOR GENERAL, THIS PROCESS

  • IS RESERVED FOR ESSENTIALLY

  • THEIR --

  • >> Martha: EMPLOYEES.

  • >> EMPLOYEES ON WHAT THEY HAVE

  • AUTHORITY OVER AND THE PRESIDENT

  • IS NOT INSIDE OF THE SCOPE AND

  • SHOULD NOT BE PART OF THIS

  • PROCEDURE TO TELL CONGRESS.

  • >> Martha: WE WILL SEE WHERE

  • IT GOES AND WHAT WAS SO

  • EGREGIOUS THAT THEY -- WE WILL

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