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  • BRET.

  • >> Bret: RICH EDSON AT THE

  • STATE DEPARTMENT, THANK YOU.

  • POLITICAL WASHINGTON OBVIOUSLY

  • BUZZING TONIGHT ABOUT THE

  • DEPARTURE OF JOHN BOLTON AS THE

  • PRESIDENT'S NATIONAL SECURITY

  • ADVISOR.

  • JOINING US TONIGHT TO TELL US

  • WHAT HE KNOWS, SENATE FOREIGN

  • RELATIONS COMMITTEE MEMBER AND

  • CHAIR OF THE SENATE JUDICIARY

  • COMMITTEE, LINDSEY GRAHAM OF

  • SOUTH CAROLINA, THANKS FOR BEING

  • HERE.

  • >> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

  • >> Bret: SEE THIS COMING?

  • >> A BIT.

  • A PERSONALITY POLICY DIFFERENCE

  • THAT LED TO A CHANGE.

  • FROM MY POINT OF VIEW

  • JOHN BOLTON SERVE THE COUNTRY

  • WELL, HE GAVE THE PRESIDENT GOOD

  • ADVICE, BUT THE ONE THING YOU'VE

  • GOT TO LEARN BUT PRESIDENT TRUMP

  • AS I'VE COME TO LEARN IS HE'S

  • UNCONVENTIONAL.

  • IT'S OKAY I THINK OR TALK WITH

  • THE TALIBAN EVEN AT CAMP DAVID

  • IF THERE'S A REASON TO BELIEVE

  • THEY'RE GOING TO ACCEPT AND

  • CHANGE THEIR BEHAVIOR, AND I

  • THOUGHT WE JUST GOT AHEAD OF THE

  • CART THERE, BUT JOHN IS GONE AND

  • THERE ARE A LOT OF THE CHOICES

  • AND APPRECIATE WHAT JOHN DID FOR

  • THE COUNTRY.

  • >> Bret: EVEN A COUPLE DAYS

  • AHEAD OF 9/11 TO DO THAT AT

  • CAMP DAVID?

  • >> YEAH.

  • I CAN UNDERSTAND THE TIMING, BUT

  • THE MAIN THING IS -- I TOLD THE

  • PRESIDENT YOUR RIGHT TO WANT TO

  • REDUCE OUR COMMITMENT.

  • YOUR RIGHT TO WANT TO LOWER OUR

  • COSTS.

  • 18 YEARS LATER, WHAT HAVE WE

  • FOUND?

  • AL QAEDA IS STILL THERE, ISIS IS

  • THERE.

  • BUT THE AFGHAN ARMY IS 270,000.

  • 18 YEARS AGO THEY DIDN'T HAVE AN

  • ARMY.

  • 6 MILLION WOMEN IN SCHOOL, A LOT

  • OF POSITIVE THINGS.

  • THERE'S A LOT OF BAD THINGS AND

  • WE CAN'T DO IN AFGHANISTAN WHAT

  • WE DID IN IRAQ, IGNORE SOUND

  • MILITARY ADVICE AND PULL THE

  • PLUG ON THE PLACE, BUT HAVING

  • SAID THAT, I'D LIKE TO END THE

  • WAR.

  • THE ONLY WAY YOU EVER END THE

  • WAR IS TO GET THE TWO SIDES

  • TALKING SO IT'S OKAY TO TALK

  • WITH THE TALIBAN.

  • IT WOULD BE OKAY TO COME TO

  • CAMP DAVID BUT WHAT I THOUGHT

  • WAS A MISTAKE IS -- WELL, THE

  • BIG MISTAKE IF THE TALIBAN

  • REALLY SCREWED UP WHEN IT CAME

  • TO TRUMP.

  • IF THIS AN INSULT OF THE

  • PRESIDENT TO KILL THAT SOLDIER

  • WHILE HE'S TRYING TO END THE

  • WAR.

  • I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO REGRET

  • THIS.

  • I THINK THE TALIBAN ARE REALLY

  • GOING TO REGRET WHAT THEY DID.

  • >> Bret: WHAT YOU SAY TWO

  • ALLIES WILL LOOK AT THE TURMOIL

  • INSIDE THE ADMINISTRATION?

  • THERE HAVE BEEN 60 INDIVIDUALS

  • IN THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION,

  • EITHER RESIGNED OR BEEN FIRED,

  • SOME OF THEM ON THE PAGE HERE.

  • WHAT YOU SAY TO THOSE ALLIES --

  • IT'S VOLATILE, UNCERTAIN.

  • LOOKING NOW AT THE FORCE

  • NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR IN

  • THREE YEARS PLUS?

  • >> HERE'S WHAT I WOULD SAY TO

  • ALLIES, JUDGE US BY WHAT WE DO.

  • WE REDUCED OUR PRESENCE IN SYRIA

  • BUT WE STILL HAVE A COMMITMENT

  • TO NORTHEASTERN SYRIA TO PROTECT

  • THE KURDS AND MAKE SURE IRAN

  • DOESN'T TAKE OVER.

  • WE GOT OFF IN IRAN DEAL THAT I

  • THOUGHT WAS A BAD DEAL AND THE

  • PRESIDENT KEPT HIS WORD.

  • HE'S TRYING TO REDUCE OUR

  • COMMITMENT IN AFGHANISTAN THAT

  • MAKES SENSE TO ME, WE ARE PAYING

  • WAY TOO MUCH MONEY 18 YEARS

  • LATER AND WE CAN REDUCE OUR

  • FORCES AND BE SAFE HERE, BUT WE

  • JUST CAN'T PULL OUT OF THE

  • PLACE.

  • I WOULD SAY TO OUR ALLIES, WHY

  • DON'T YOU HELP HIM MORE?

  • >> Bret: IT WAS IRAN A POLICY

  • DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE PRESIDENT

  • OF JOHN BOLTON?

  • MAYBE THE PRESIDENT WANTS TO

  • MEET WITH THEIR PRESIDENT, MAYBE

  • EVEN AT THE U.N.

  • GENERAL ASSEMBLY?

  • >> I THINK BOLTON LOOKED AT

  • TRUMP THROUGH THE TRADITIONAL

  • FOREIGN POLICY LENS.

  • THE CONDITION WAS HIM, YOU DON'T

  • TALK TO GUYS COMING TO ELEVATE

  • KIM JONG UN.

  • I DON'T CARE PRESIDENT TRUMP AND

  • KIM JONG UN GO ON VACATION.

  • IF THAT'S WHAT IT TAKES TO GIVE

  • HIM UP -- GIVE UP HIS NUCLEAR

  • WEAPONS, I'M OKAY WITH PERSONAL

  • DIPLOMACY THAT'S UNCONDITIONAL.

  • I'M OKAY WITH TALKING TO THE

  • IRANIANS AS LONG AS WE GET A

  • BETTER DEAL.

  • WHAT WOULD A BETTER DEAL BE?

  • THEY CAN HAVE NUCLEAR POWER BUT

  • THEY CAN'T ENRICH A PROCESS OF

  • URANIUM, THAT WOULD BE A BETTER

  • DEAL SO I'M NOT HERE TO MUCH OF

  • THE PRESENT.

  • YOU BEAT ME, 16 OF THE

  • REPUBLICANS COMING TO BEAT

  • HILLARY CLINTON.

  • LET'S GIVE YOUR WAY TO TRY AND

  • I'M GOING TO SUPPORT A MOLOKAN.

  • >> Bret: LOOKING AT

  • NORTH KOREA AS A BLUEPRINT, WHAT

  • DO YOU SEE OUT OF THOSE

  • NEGOTIATIONS AND THOSE TWO

  • SUMMITS?

  • >> I SEE BETTER.

  • NO NEED FOR MUSCLE TESTING, NO

  • BOMBS BEING EXPLODED.

  • A PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP -- HOW

  • WILL THAT WORK OUT?

  • THOSE WHO CRITICIZE THE PRESENT,

  • HOW WELL DID YOU DO ANY WRONG?

  • HOW WELL DID YOU DO IN

  • NORTH KOREA?

  • I'M A PRETTY HAWKISH GUY BUT

  • AFTER 18 YEARS, IT'S OKAY TO

  • REEVALUATE OUR COMMITMENT IN

  • AFGHANISTAN.

  • IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE TO ME,

  • BUT I'M JUST URGING THE

  • PRESIDENT DON'T IGNORE SOUND

  • MILITARY ADVICE.

  • YOU CAN REDUCE OUR PRESENCE IN

  • AFGHANISTAN BUT IF YOU LEAVE

  • AFGHANISTAN, AL QAEDA AND ISIS

  • ARE COMING AFTER US.

  • >> Bret: SO DID HE FIRE HIM OR

  • DID BOLTON RESIGN?

  • >> I DON'T KNOW WHAT I DON'T

  • THINK IT REALLY MATTERS.

  • AT THE END OF THE DAY I LIKED

  • JOHN BOLTON.

  • HE SERVED HONORABLY AND AS

  • PRESIDENT LOST TRUST AND FAITH

  • IN JOHN BOLTON AND I THINK HE'S

  • GOT SOME GOOD CHOICES.

  • >> Bret: LET'S TALK ABOUT

  • THAT.

  • IF YOU TALKED ABOUT THAT TODAY.

  • WHO'S ON THE PLATE?

  • >> GENERAL KELLOGG IS THE

  • NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR TO

  • MIKE PENCE.

  • THE VICE PRESIDENT, HE WORKED

  • FOR GENERAL McMASTER.

  • >> Bret: KEITH KELLOGG.

  • >> KEEP KELLOGG.

  • CONFIDENT, CAPABLE, CONFIDENT,

  • HAS THE PRESIDENT'S TRUST.

  • A DYNAMIC YOUNG MAN WORKING IN

  • THE STATE DEPARTMENT, PART OF

  • THE IRAN TEAM AND THE

  • STATE DEPARTMENT CLOSE TO

  • POMPEO.

  • YOU'VE GOT REQUIRE DELL, WHO

  • WORKED FOR McMASTER WHO KNOWS

  • THE INS AND OUTS OF THE NATIONAL

  • SECURITY COUNCIL AND THE WAY IT

  • MEETS.

  • THE ONE THING I THINK WAS A

  • KNOCK ON JOHN BOLTON IS THE

  • PROCESS KIND OF DIED ON HIS

  • WATCH.

  • >> Bret: THESE ARE THE THREE

  • GUYS.

  • KEEP KELLOGG, BRIAN, RECORD OUT.

  • >> THOSE ARE THREE NAMES THE

  • PRESIDENT MENTIONED TO ME.

  • THERE ARE OTHERS ON THE LIST,

  • BUT WHAT ARE WE LOOKING FOR?

  • SOMEBODY THAT CAN WORK WITH

  • POMPEO, WORK WITH THE DEPARTMENT

  • OF DEFENSE TO GET THE INNER

  • AGENCY BACK -- STOOD BACK UP.

  • >> Bret: 'S DOESN'T REQUIRE

  • SENATE CONFIRMATION VOTE.

  • THIS IS JUST ABOUT TRUST WITH

  • THE PRESIDENT, RIGHT?

  • >> IT'S ABOUT UNDERSTANDING THE

  • PRESIDENT TRYING TO ENACT HIS

  • WILL BUT TELLING THE TRUTH.

  • HERE'S THE TRUTH AND HERE IS HOW

  • I GET ALONG WITH HIM.

  • THIS PRESIDENT, YOU'RE RIGHT TO

  • WANT TO REDUCE OUR COMMITMENT

  • AFGHANISTAN, REDUCE THE COST AND

  • MAYBE REDUCE THE TROOP LEVELS.

  • BUT IT WOULD BE A BIG MISTAKE TO

  • DO IN AFGHANISTAN WHAT OBAMA DID

  • IN IRAQ.

  • I'M LOOKING FOR A NATIONAL

  • SECURITY ADVISOR WHO UNDERSTANDS

  • THE PRESIDENT, CAN WORK WITH

  • OTHERS, GIVE THE PRESIDENT GOOD

  • ADVICE AND BEHIND CLOSED DOORS

  • PUSH BACK WHEN HE NEEDS TO.

  • >> Bret: I WANT TO ASK YOU TWO

  • MORE QUESTIONS.

  • ONE, THERE'S AN INVESTIGATION

  • OUT OF COMMERCE SECRETARY

  • WILBUR ROSS, IF HE PUT HIS

  • FINGER ON THE SCALE AND NOAA

  • SCIENTISTS IN THE FALL OF THE

  • ALABAMA ORDEAL WE DEALT WITH

  • LAST WEEK.

  • WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHTS IN MY?

  • >> NOT GOING TO GIVE A --

  • >> Bret: THAT'S FOR THE

  • RECORD?

  • >> YEAH, THANK YOU.

  • NEXT QUESTION.

  • I COULD CARELESS, THIS WHOLE

  • THING IS A BUNCH OF GARBAGE.

  • IF THE PRESIDENT DID HAVE A

  • MODEL WHERE IT COULD HAVE

  • ALABAMA IF IT WENT THROUGH

  • FLORIDA.

  • THIS IS THE TRUMP WORLD.

  • THE GUY CAN'T DO ANYTHING, THE

  • GUY GETTING CRITICIZED BY A

  • BUNCH OF PEOPLE WHO JUST HATE

  • HIS GUTS AND I'M NOT PLAYING

  • THAT GAME.

  • >> Bret: THE STORY ABOUT THE

  • RUSSIAN ASSET THAT WAS

  • EXTRACTED.

  • >> ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF WHAT I

  • THINK IS COMPLETE B.S., TRYING

  • TO BLAME THE PRESIDENT FOR

  • SOMETHING THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN.

  • NETWORKS OUT THERE SAYING THE

  • PRESIDENT GOT A LOAN COSIGNED BY

  • OLIGARCHS.

  • WHEN IT COMES TO TRUMP, I'M VERY

  • SUSPICIOUS -- YOU SAY IT AND

  • THEN YOU TRY TO VERIFY IT LATER.

  • THE PRESIDENT IS A HANDFUL.

  • HE MAKES HIS FAIR SHARE OF

  • MISTAKES, BUT THE STORY ABOUT

  • THE PRESIDENT DAMAGING OUR

  • NATIONAL SECURITY I THINK IS

  • UNVERIFIED AND UNTRUE.

  • >> Bret: ARE YOU CONFIDENT

  • THAT THE FUNDING OF THE

  • GOVERNMENT IS GOING TO GO

  • WITHOUT A BUMP?

  • >> IT MAY BE A BUMP, BUT IT'S

  • GOING TO HAPPEN BECAUSE FAILURE

  • IS NOT AN OPTION.

  • BOTH PARTIES NEED TO CONVINCE

  • THE PUBLIC WE ARE NOT COMPLETELY

  • CRAZY.

  • AND WE CAN DO OUR JOB.

  • >> Bret: LAST THING, ANYTHING

  • GET DONE BEFORE 2020 IN EARNEST?

  • >> I THINK WE MAY HAVE SOME

  • BREAKTHROUGHS ON SOLVING THE

  • PLASTIC IN THE OCEANS PROBLEM.

  • WE MAY HAVE SOME BREAKTHROUGHS

  • ON INFRASTRUCTURE, A SMALLER

  • BILL, FUNDING THE GOVERNMENT

  • WOULD BE A GREAT STEP FORWARD,

  • GIVING THE MILITARY WHAT THEY

  • NEED.

  • ON IMMIGRATION, YOU MIGHT HAVE A

  • DEAL WITH THE DACA POPULATION IF

  • THE COURT RULES THAT OBAMA'S

BRET.

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