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  • THE JACK HAMMERS.

  • JOHN ROBERTS NORTH LAWN.

  • >> Sandra: FOR MORE ON THIS

  • LET'S TURN TO BUCK SEXTON

  • FORMER C.I.A. ANALYST.

  • WE RECEIVED A STATEMENT FROM

  • DAN HOFFMAN.

  • HE COULDN'T COME ON THIS

  • MORNING BUT WE REACHED OUT TO

  • HIM FOR A STATEMENT.

  • HE SAID I HAVE LESS OF PROBLEM

  • WITH CNN INVESTIGATIVE

  • JOURNALISTS RUNNING WITH A HOT

  • STORY THAN THE SOURCES THAT

  • TIPPED THEM OFF.

  • IF ANY OF STORY IS TRUE,

  • WHOEVER WAS DISCUSSING THIS

  • SENSITIVE STORY WITH CNN WAS

  • COMMITTING A MAJOR DERELICTION

  • IN DUTY.

  • PUTIN WILL NOT HESITATE TO

  • LAUNCH ASSASSINATIONS THOSE WHO

  • BRANDS TRAITORS.

  • JUST LOOK AT THE FATE OF OTHERS.

  • I CAN IMAGINE OUR OUR SOURCES

  • RISKING THEIR LIVES BEHIND

  • ENEMY LINES WHETHER IT'S WORTH

  • IT AND IT WILL EXPOSE THEIR

  • IDENTITIES.

  • THE KEY POINT OF THE STORY A

  • C.I.A. SOURCE HAD TO BE TAKEN

  • OUT AFTER PRESIDENT TRUMP

  • COMPROMISED HIM AND THEIR

  • SACRED WORK OUT OF PARTISAN

  • POLITICS.

  • OTHER ISSUES ON WHICH TO ARGUE

  • WITH THE PRESIDENT.

  • BEFORE I WENT OVER AS CHIEF OF

  • STATION MANY YEARS AGO A C.I.A.

  • VETERAN WAS GIVING ME SOME

  • ADVICE HOW BEST TO DO OUR WORK.

  • HE SUMMED IT UP SIMPLY.

  • THE SECRET OF OUR SUCCESS IS

  • THE SECRET OF OUR SUCCESS.

  • YOUR REACTION TO THE REPORTING

  • THIS MORNING.

  • >> I AGREE WITH MY OLD

  • COLLEAGUE DAN AND SUMS IT UP

  • NICELY IN THE STATEMENT.

  • I WOULD ADD TO IT THERE IS AN

  • OBVIOUS RECKLESSNESS FROM

  • ANYBODY WHO WOULD BE TALKING

  • ABOUT THIS KIND OF STORY THAT

  • HAD ACCESS OR KNEW ANYTHING IF

  • THAT'S WHAT WENT ON HERE.

  • SEEMS TO BE THE CASE.

  • THERE IS ALSO JOURNALISTS WHO

  • RUN WITH THIS.

  • THEY HAVE TO AS AMERICANS AND

  • PATRIOTS MAKE SOME

  • DETERMINATIONS WHAT THE PUBLIC

  • NEEDS TO KNOW VERSUS WHAT

  • ACTUALLY DOES PUT PEOPLE IN

  • JEOPARDY AND WHAT CAN BE

  • PROBLEMATIC FROM A NATIONAL

  • SECURITY PERSPECTIVE.

  • LEGALLY THEY CAN -- IT DOESN'T

  • MEAN THEY CAN REPORT ON

  • WHATEVER THEY WANT.

  • IN THIS CASE IT'S CLEAR IT WAS

  • JUST MEANT TO GET TRUMP.

  • THE STORY HERE ISN'T ABOUT THE

  • WHOLE OPERATION.

  • THE AGENCY HAS COME OUT, RARE,

  • AND SAID IT IS B.S. AND NOT

  • TRUE.

  • BUT THIS WAS ALL MEANT TO BE A

  • WEAPON AGAINST DONALD TRUMP.

  • AND THAT'S WHY I THINK SOME OF

  • THE OTHER BARRIERS BOTH FROM

  • PEOPLE ALLEGEDLY INSIDE THE

  • INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY TALKED

  • ABOUT THIS AND SOME OF THE

  • JOURNALISTS WHO RAN WITH A HALF

  • BACKED IF NOT ENTIRELY UNTRUE

  • STORY BECAUSE WE'RE IN THE GET

  • TRUMP ERA, ALL THE RULES OF A

  • SUDDEN DON'T APPLY THE SAME WAY.

  • THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED I THINK

  • WITH THIS STORY.

  • >> Sandra: THAT PART WAS CLEAR

  • BY YOURSELF AND YOUR COLLEAGUE

  • DAN HOFFMAN WHO I WANT TO POINT

  • OUT IS A FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR.

  • YOU LOOK AT THE REPORTING IN

  • THE "NEW YORK TIMES," THOUGH,

  • AND THEY DON'T SAY IT IS

  • BECAUSE SPECIFICALLY OF DONALD

  • TRUMP THAT THIS PERSON WAS

  • EXTRACTED FROM RUSSIA.

  • THEY SAY IT WAS BECAUSE OF THE

  • MEDIA.

  • YOU'VE HAVE DUG INTO THAT

  • REPORT AS WELL.

  • CNN REPORT DONALD TRUMP'S ROLE

  • IS THE TOP OF THE STORY AND

  • THEY ASSUME THEIR READERSHIP IS

  • INTERESTED IN THAT COMPONENT.

  • THE OVERALL DETAILS WOULD BE OF

  • MUCH LESSER INTEREST.

  • AGAIN, C.I.A. HAS ALREADY SAID

  • IT IS FALSE.

  • BUT WHAT THEY'VE TOLD US IS

  • REALLY MEANT TO BE A POLITICAL

  • STORY.

  • NOT SO MUCH A NATIONAL SECURITY

  • STORY.

  • WHY "THE NEW YORK TIMES" AND

  • SOME OTHER OUTLETS WOULD THINK

  • IT IS SOMETHING THE AMERICAN

  • PEOPLE SHOULD KNOW ABOUT IF

  • THERE WAS, FORGET ABOUT IT

  • BEING SPECIFIC TO RUSSIA.

  • ANY HIGH LEVEL SOURCE IN A

  • GOVERNMENT USEFUL TO OUR

  • INTELLIGENCE SERVICE

  • JOURNALISTS SHOULD KNOW THAT.

  • IT SHOULD NEVER BE TALKED ABOUT

  • PUBLICLY AS A PATRIOTIC DUTY.

  • IT'S A QUESTION OF JUDGMENT AND

  • ETHICS.

  • I THINK IN THIS CASE YOU'VE

  • SEEN A LOT OF PEOPLE JUST

  • DECIDED BECAUSE IT MAKES TRUMP

  • LOOK RECKLESS WE'LL SAY IT'S

  • SOMETHING PEOPLE NEED TO HEAR

  • ABOUT.

  • >> Sandra: YOU HAVE THE CNN

  • REPORT THE C.I.A. IS SAYING IS

  • MISGUIDED AND UNTRUE.

  • "THE NEW YORK TIMES" REPORT

  • SAYING THIS HAPPENED BECAUSE OF

  • THE MEDIA.

  • NBC FOLLOWED UP ON THE CNN

  • REPORT AND DROVE TO THE

  • PERSON'S HOUSE AT WHICH TIME

  • S.U.V.'S PULLED UP ALONGSIDE

  • THEM AND GOT THEM TO LEAVE AND

  • GO AWAY.

  • THIS PARTICULAR CORRESPONDENT.

  • HOW MUCH DAMAGE CAN THIS DO

  • COMING FROM THE C.I.A.

  • >> THE FUNDAMENTAL TRUTH AND

  • REALITY OF DOING INTELLIGENCE

  • WORK IS TO PROTECT SOURCES AND

  • METHODS.

  • IT IS NOT JUST FOR THE

  • INDIVIDUAL'S SAFETY.

  • IT IS FOR THE PEOPLE DOWN THE

  • LINE THAT YOU ARE GOING TO ASK

  • TO TAKE RISKS ON YOUR BEHALF.

  • THE AGENCY SAID THIS STORY IS

  • NONSENSE.

  • LET'S ASSUME FOR A MOMENT THERE

  • IS SOME DEGREE OF TRUTH TO IT

  • SOMEWHERE.

  • IF THE NBC REPORTERS CAN FIND

  • THIS PERSON THE RUSSIAN

  • GOVERNMENT CAN FIND THIS PERSON.

  • WE KNOW HOW THE RUSSIANS DEAL

  • WITH PEOPLE THAT SPEAK OUT OF

  • SCHOOL PARTICULARLY IF THEY

  • WERE CLOSE TO PUTIN OR A

  • PROBLEM FOR THE GOVERNMENT.

  • THERE ARE REAL RISKS HERE.

  • JOURNALISTS HAVE TO ASK

  • THEMSELVES WAS IT WORTH IT TO

  • GET ANOTHER GRUDGE SHOT IN

  • AGAINST DONALD TRUMP?

  • I HOPE THEY THINK THE ANSWER IS

THE JACK HAMMERS.

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