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  • - [Max] Hello.

  • - Hey.

  • - [Max] Hi, I'm Max.

  • - I'm Tracie.

  • - Hey Tracie.

  • (laughing)

  • - Oh my gosh.

  • This is so cool.

  • (laughing)

  • - Okay, so.

  • - How are these moments of feeling like a complete chump?

  • (suspenseful music)

  • What if she stands us up?

  • - It's possible.

  • - That would be something.

  • - Is that her?

  • (dramatic music)

  • That's her, right?

  • (laughing)

  • - Hello. - Hi.

  • - How you doing?

  • - I'm good, how are you?

  • - Good to meet you.

  • - Nice to meet you.

  • - Nev.

  • Max.

  • - I'm Max.

  • - Hello.

  • - Nice to meet you.

  • - Nice to meet you.

  • Hi.

  • - Tracie, who you know.

  • - It's nice to see you.

  • - Did you ever think this kind of thing would happen?

  • - No, not at all.

  • - So, when you created Reese,

  • was the plan to give her cancer and kill her immediately?

  • - No, it wasn't, that was,

  • I decided to do that after I realized it got too far.

  • - Whose funeral was that?

  • - My cousin's.

  • - [Tracie] So your cousin died?

  • - Yeah.

  • - You went to your cousin's funeral and filmed it.

  • What?

  • (dramatic music)

  • - For me the real question is, what kind of discussions

  • have come up as a result of the fact

  • that you guys live in the same city?

  • - There's been multiple times where she's been close,

  • and then it's just not happened.

  • She actually had her friend drive by my house one night,

  • and she called me after the fact

  • and said she left a note on my jeep.

  • - Well what did the note say?

  • - Said like, I can't wait to see you tomorrow, Boo Bear.

  • She's even taken pictures of the outside of the work.

  • - And sent them to you?

  • - And sent them to me.

  • - That's creepy and kind of stalker-ish.

  • - [Mike] Yeah, it's scary at times.

  • In a sense, I was being watched.

  • - You have a stalker.

  • - [Mike] It's.

  • - You've probably met this person.

  • (dramatic music)

  • Why are you torturing yourself?

  • - How can I just leave somebody who I'm that tied to?

  • I love who she is, and I can't break free

  • of the hold she has on me.

  • - [Max] You okay?

  • - Yeah.

  • (suspenseful music)

  • - Nice to meet you.

  • - Nice to meet you, too.

  • - Nev.

  • - Nice to meet you, Markie.

  • Wow.

  • - [Nev] You're very excited.

  • - I'm very, very excited.

  • I'm trying not to like jump into her arms

  • and plow her down to the floor.

  • (laughing)

  • - That's not exactly the reaction that I expected.

  • - [Max] Yeah, if anything, we've been kind of ready for--

  • - The worst?

  • - I mean, look, we all wanna be excited, obviously,

  • but I just wanna get some things out of the way first.

  • - Of course.

  • - Well if you guys wanna go sit down

  • at that table in the shade.

  • - So okay, from what we gathered from Blaire's story was

  • that you didn't come to New York,

  • and then she got a strange phone call

  • from you like a couple days afterwards,

  • saying that you were in a hospital of some kind

  • and that you weren't gonna come

  • and you were still in love with your ex girlfriend,

  • and that it was over.

  • - I never got answers, I never got reasons,

  • and that's all I want is why?

  • - So, I was 17, and the man pretty much didn't kidnap me.

  • I went on my own.

  • - What, what?

  • - He persuaded me to go with him

  • because of issues that would happen in New York that he saw.

  • - He saw issues, how could he?

  • I don't get this.

  • - [Nev] Is he an ex of yours?

  • - No.

  • - So I don't know who, just he?

  • - It's a very private situation.

  • I can't really let out names.

  • What had happened was I had a dream I went to New York

  • and I died, and I told you about the dream,

  • and he told me that if I didn't go and repent my sins

  • I guess, I don't know, he didn't make it clear, but

  • he told me pretty much if I didn't confess everything

  • to him, I would die in New York,

  • and so that pushed me to the limit as to where

  • I felt like I needed to go for you, for me, for my family,

  • so I could stay alive.

  • - Where were you, were you like far away

  • in the middle of no where?

  • - I was up in the mountains.

  • - Why does this person have so much influence over you?

  • - He was a close, personal friend.

  • - You don't think you could have told this guy you need

  • to let me know that you're not coming?

  • - No, because he didn't want to talk to you,

  • he didn't want anything to do with you.

  • - You couldn't talk to me?

  • - It's a terrible story, and I'm sorry

  • that I still don't, I don't--

  • - Fully understand.

  • - I don't understand it.

  • - I know this probably feels like an interrogation,

  • I don't want it to, but, does it come as a surprise

  • that you have a reputation for not telling the truth?

  • - No, because I have had people in my past say

  • that I have a lying problem,

  • but I do try my best not to lie to Blaire.

  • - But you still do it.

  • - I try not to.

  • - [Nev] Uh oh, wait a second.

  • (dramatic music)

  • - The (beeping) kinda (beeping).

  • - [Nev] I don't know what this is.

  • (dramatic music)

  • - I thought this ain't the (beeping).

  • (clapping)

  • (beeping) Is this?

  • - Hey man, wanna chill out a second?

  • - Shh.

  • - Excuse me.

  • - The (beeping) is man.

  • - Don't touch me.

  • - You better back up, man.

  • - Don't touch me.

  • - Better back up.

  • - The (beeping) kinda (beeping) is this?

  • - You better chill out, man.

  • - What the (beeping) kinda (beeping) is this?, man?

  • - We're talking.

  • Him and I are talking.

  • - You (beeping), you a (beeping).

  • - Hold on a second.

  • - He and I are talking.

  • I can tell you one thing right now, buddy,

  • one thing you're gonna like, you're gonna learn

  • to love it too.

  • - The hell are you talking about dude?

  • - I'm gonna be the one wearing the pants in this,

  • you understand that?

  • - The (beeping) kinda (beeping) is this?

  • - [Nev] You're being unreasonable.

  • - Straight up, the (beeping) kinda (beeping) is this?

  • - I'm just asking you to take it down a couple notches.

  • - Hey.

  • - You brought a lot of attitude.

  • - By the way, lot of attitude last night, thanks a lot,

  • really felt it too, you and I, got to know you better.

  • I loved it, but I tell you what,

  • you and I could do that later.

  • Come here, we're gonna talk, you and I.

  • - What the (beeping)?

  • We ain't got (beeping), we done talking (beeping).

  • - Are you kidding me?

  • You could still be my chocolate kiss too,

  • you don't forget about that, baby.

  • - Come on.

  • - What the (beeping) kinda (beeping) is that?

  • - Do you know this guy?

  • - No, I don't know this (beeping).

  • - [Max] Are you Jess?

  • - Yeah, I'm Jess.

  • - [Max] You're Jess?

  • - Yeah.

  • - Man, (beeping) what man?

  • (dramatic music)

  • - I mean this, that, there.

  • (beeping)

  • That's what I had.

  • - What the (beeping) kinda (beeping) is that man?

  • Ah hell no, (beeping) that.

  • - Not everything is as it seems.

  • Not everything you see or want it to be can

  • be exactly what you want it to be,

  • and I am living proof of that and I felt that,

  • and I felt the necessity to put myself out there.

  • - This (beeping) is (beeping) crazy.

  • (dramatic music)

  • - [Nev] Oh my god.

  • (dramatic music)

  • - Hey bro, how's it going?

  • My name's Kelsey.

  • I'm Adam the gambler.

  • - Whoa.

  • (laughing)

  • - [John] So what's your end game here?

  • - Just to have fun with you man.

  • That was it, you know, it was a game, it's over now.

  • - So this was all just fun and games?

  • - Yeah, really it is, yeah.

  • - Is there something else more meaningful

  • that you think you proved with this?

  • - No, there's no deeper meaning to any of this.

  • - Whose pictures are you using?

  • (laughing)

  • - Actually, a girl I knew from high school.

  • - Do you have a job?

  • Are you in school?

  • - Yeah, this is like my job right now.

  • I'll go here, I time the jackpot,

  • so I'll just do whatever I want on my phone,

  • time the jackpot, win about 60 bucks

  • for the night, go home.

  • - How do you know you're gonna win the jackpot?

  • - I have an algorithm you see, I count the number

  • of people in here, right?

  • And then I have like all the times on my phone,

  • I can even show you, I have all the times

  • that they've ever gone off.

  • - He's rigged.

  • - Yeah.

  • In between jack pots, there's like a transition period

  • where you're waiting for the thing, I log in here,

  • pretend to be Kelsey, talk to him a while.

  • It's just something to do to pass the time.

  • - Did you create that psychology group

  • to lure people in to then, like, mess with them

  • and carry on fake relationships with?

  • - You know, I took advantage of the fact

  • that I had this group up, yeah, no let's add this other

  • account of mine in there and let's

  • see who we can mess with, you know?

  • - [Nev] How many people do you think you've catfished?

  • - I would say about maybe 30, 40, around there.

  • It's interesting to me and fun.

  • - Is your relationship with Ellie something

  • that you even care about?

  • - [Max] Or are you just using her?

  • - Oh no, I care about Ellie.

  • You know, she is my girlfriend, it's not a cover up

  • or anything like that, I have genuine feelings for her.

  • - I've talked to Ellie before, sweet girl,

  • amazing girl, what in this (beeping) world

  • makes you think you're getting anywhere with that?

  • - I can justify anything.

  • I can justify anything.

  • - So how'd you like my (beeping) pic?

  • - That was uh, it's interesting, thank you

  • for sending it to me, I really want that on my computer.

  • - You (beeping) yourself off to this (beeping)?

  • (laughing)

  • - No, I deleted it quickly after.

  • - Did you just wake up this morning

  • and say, you know what?

  • I wanna play a bad guy on TV, I just wanna

  • be the worst version of myself that I can be,

  • is that what you decided?

  • - Yeah, that was what it, that's.

  • - Is this really who you are right now?

  • - This is really who I am.

  • I'm the joker.

  • - I mean--

  • - This is the kind of loser that gives our show a bad name.

  • I mean do we really sitting here

  • and giving him any air time?

  • - I'm the king of catfishes, right?

  • - No you're not.

  • - I am, I'm the king catfish.

  • - [Nev] You're really not.

  • - I am.

  • - I'm done here, I'm done.

  • I'm done.

  • (laughing)

  • - Hi, Tracey, right?

  • - Yeah.

  • - [Nev] How you doing?

  • - Good.

  • - Are you kidding me?

  • - So I'm here with someone you might recognize.

  • (dramatic music)

  • - Oh my gosh, ew.

  • (laughing)

  • I don't like her, she stole

  • all of Jacqueline Linkwood's friends.

  • - Did she just say I stole Jacqueline Linkwood's stuff.

  • - She said you stole Jacqueline Linkwood's friends.

  • - So I heard that correctly.

  • - I think it'd be good if we all came in to talk.

  • - Okay fine, she can come in.

  • - [Nev] Why don't you guys come in.

  • (dramatic music)

  • - [Max] Hello.

  • - Hi.

  • - Hi, I'm Max.

  • - I'm Tracey.

  • - Hey Tracey.

  • (laughing)

  • Oh my gosh.

  • This is so cool.

  • (laughing)

  • - Okay, so, you seem relatively chipper.

  • - Yeah, I'm always cheerful.

  • It's just my personality.

  • - Are you putting on an act right now?

  • - No, this is really me.

  • - This is really you?

  • - This is really me when I'm me.

  • I'm just really energetic, I work with kids, so.

  • - Like in a daycare?

  • - Yeah.

  • - Okay.

  • - They love me so much, they're like my best friends.

  • They're like my little puppies, they're so cute.

  • - Obviously you understand why we're here.

  • You admitted that you created this profile,

  • so we were hoping to hear a little bit more about that.

  • - I was bored with my life, so I wanted to be someone else.

  • - Right.

  • - Like the whole Jacqueline Linkwood thing was like Miley

  • and Hannah, you know, Tracey by day.

  • On the internet, I was Jacqueline by night.

  • - Is that Hannah Montana, is that how it works?

  • - Yeah, that's how I like did everything.

  • Like I come home from school, bang I'm Jacqueline,

  • not Tracey anymore.

  • - How old were you when you started doing that?

  • - I was 14, in middle school.

  • - [Nev] So now you're about 20?

  • - 20 today.

  • - 20 today, oh that's right, that's right your birthday.

  • - What could you do as Jacqueline

  • that you couldn't do as Tracey?

  • - Oh my gosh, um, I don't know, as Jacqueline,

  • I could talk to anyone I wanted

  • and like bully people and stuff.

  • It all comes back to when people bullied me,

  • so like I have to bully other people too to get revenge.

  • - But why take out what people do to you

  • on other people who didn't do anything to you?

  • - Because they bullied me too.

  • People, they're like you're fake, you're fake.

  • - But you were fake. - But you were fake.

  • - But they didn't know that.

  • - A lot of people don't like Falesha

  • because they associate her with your (beeping) up profile.

  • - I really don't like Falesha, I think she deserves it.

  • She thinks she a model and she thinks she's all that.

  • I'm still mad at her.

  • Jacqueline is popular, she had all that popularity

  • and Falesha ruined it, that's why I don't really like her.

  • - Should I apologize for ruining that?

  • Because I'm sincerely sorry.

  • - Jacqueline was like a real person.

  • She wasn't a real person, I was the real person.

  • (laughing)

  • - Do you take drugs?

  • - I am not on drugs, I never took a drug in my life.

  • I'm just naturally happy and hyper.

  • - Just out of curiosity, I was wondering

  • why you seem so proud of this?

  • - Because like, I created Jacqueline, and I'm proud

  • of creating her, I'm proud of it.

  • It really helped me.

  • When I got to bully people online, I felt so tough.

  • - And what if someone you cyber bullied killed themselves?

  • - Really?

  • - Yeah, really.

  • - I wouldn't cry, would you want me to cry?

  • It's not my fault they killed themselves.

  • They made that choice themselves,

  • so it's their fault, not mine.

  • - Maybe people really did that

  • because you told them to, that could've

  • been the trigger, that doesn't bother you?

  • - It does not bother me, it's not my fault.

  • I did not hold a gun to their head saying go kill yourself.

  • - Yeah but some people that have really low self-esteem--

  • - Well I have a high self-esteem.

  • - This is relatively pointless, what's going on right here.

  • - Am I done with her?

  • - Yeah, I mean, we're done for now, we're all done for now.

  • - All right, good.

  • Falesha, are you gonna say happy birthday?

  • (laughing)

  • That was so much fun.

  • - Oh my gosh.

  • (dramatic music)

  • Are you Courtney?

  • - Of course I am.

  • - Wow, hi.

  • - Hi.

  • - Nev.

  • - Nev, you have your dad's eyes.

  • (laughing)

  • You so have your dad's eyes.

  • Hi honey.

  • - Are you telling the truth?

  • - Of course I am.

  • Oh, of course I am, I would never, ever make something up

  • like this that could be so you know,

  • potentially hurtful,

  • I just, I knew that the situation was so

  • strange.

  • You know, the more I talked with your dad,

  • the more I realized, something good has

  • to come out of this, and I wanted

  • to be able to give you that peace of mind.

  • I wanted to be able to give you maybe some closure.

  • - There's so much I wanna talk to you about.

  • - Me too.

  • It was so overwhelming for me too for the longest time,

  • because I know the situation that he was in,

  • and I know everything that happened.

  • - How did you know about that?

  • - He told me.

  • He went through the story.

  • It was not something that Franky really wanted

  • to happen, I know that he feels so much regret,

  • and he struggles with the fact that

  • his daughters do forgive him,

  • because he doesn't even think he

  • deserves forgiveness himself.

  • - So you never met him in real life, even though you grew

  • up in Ohio, you never crossed paths with him in Kentucky?

  • - No, no I've never, I don't have any connection

  • with him whatsoever.

  • - And did you read about this, you know,

  • story when it happened?

  • - No, this was something that happened

  • in a small town in Kentucky, and it just, there was

  • no reason for make it all the way

  • up to northeastern Ohio news.

  • And to be honest with you, I never even knew

  • that I had this ability, I mean, it was so overwhelming

  • for me too for the longest time.

  • When he first showed up, I remember I was in my room,

  • and I was focused very much on

  • writing that I was working on, and I actually fell asleep

  • at my laptop and it was just a little,

  • couple hours later maybe, I woke up and I remember

  • opening my eyes and I could see out of the corner

  • of my eye but I didn't wanna look,

  • but there was a figure at the side of my bed,

  • and right then and there I could pick up the feelings.

  • He was also confused, he was also very scared.

  • He did not realize how he had gotten there.

  • Did not know why, and all I could think of was,

  • well, he must need help.

  • - I assume once he told you his name,

  • you went on the internet and looked him up?

  • - Absolutely, did I get on on Google

  • to confirm, am I crazy?

  • Did this person and his story really exist?

  • Because believe me, I was just as skeptical, completely.

  • There was quite a while when I actually thought

  • what if I'm insane, what if I'm like schizophrenic?

  • What if I'm losing it?

  • - Since this started, have you gone to any doctors

  • to see if perhaps you might have a medical condition

  • like a schizophrenia?

  • - Yeah, absolutely.

  • I went to see a doctor and I don't have any sort

  • of personality disorder, I don't have schizophrenia,

  • I don't have any of the mental illnesses.

  • So it took me a long time before I really realized,

  • no, he is real, and I can hear him, and I can see him.

- [Max] Hello.

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