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  • Something else we do in my practice is, if you start to see developmental delays, you

  • stop all further vaccination.

  • I've had so many patients join my practice who their pediatrician says, "Oh, no.

  • There's no link.

  • Just do them all."

  • Even when the child's starting to show signs of a problem neurologically, they're continuing

  • on.

  • It's reckless.

  • We had, in our group 1, who followed the vaccine friendly plan, 3 kids who were starting to

  • look headed down that autism road.

  • They weren't quite severe enough to have a label or a diagnosis.

  • By stopping, they ended up being completely normal.

  • Kids are hurting.

  • People are hurting out there.

  • When you over-vaccinate, and you over-tax the immune system at a very young age, you

  • shift people towards allergy and autoimmunity.

  • The chronic diseases we're seeing today are partially due to that very issue.

  • We've got to change what we're doing.

  • We've got to individualize medicine.

  • We can not do one size fits all medicine anymore.

  • My son says, "Dad, you've got a lot to say.

  • We ought to get you on YouTube."

  • Yeah.

  • Let's get this stuff out there.

  • I'm going, "I don't think so, son."

  • He's like, "Come on, please.

  • It'll help me.

  • I'm just trying to learn how to do this."

  • I did it as a favor for him.

  • We had a couple of videos that were doing well, a wart video, and then my wife walked

  • in.

  • I told you that story.

  • It was a Saturday.

  • She said, "I've got something in my ear.

  • I think it's wax."

  • My son was here.

  • He says, "Wait, wait.

  • We're going to film this."

  • "Okay, whatever."

  • We were kidding around, and it was this sort of combination of cute and gross, and that

  • thing's got twenty million views.

  • That's incredible.

  • On YouTube, you can just put "ear wax" and it pops up in the top five.

  • Well, Dr. Paul, before we start, I just want to have a moment of gratitude, because when

  • I first met you in 2011, my wife, we were talking about having a baby, right?

  • You gave me this sheet.

  • It had a lot of sense to it.

  • A lot of science.

  • You said, "You know what?

  • This vaccine has a lot of aluminum.

  • I wouldn't do this.

  • I wouldn't do this."

  • Now, you have this wonderful book out that comes out by the time folks watch this.

  • The Vaccine-Friendly Plan.

  • I want to commend you and also, again, extend gratitude, because without that sheet, I would

  • have been lost.

  • There's not a lot of science.

  • There's not a lot of practitioners out there that understand this.

  • First of all, thank you for giving that to me way back then, and now congratulations

  • on the book.

  • Thanks.

  • I appreciate that.

  • As you probably know, since 2011 when I gave you that sheet, there's been a huge change

  • from the CDC with regards to a recommendation for pregnancy, which is the Tdap.

  • I would have put on that sheet a very big "No Tdap."

  • I'll tell you why, in case you wanted to know.

  • Yeah, let's talk about it.

  • Since you brought up pregnancy.

  • It's a pet peeve of mine.

  • Every day in my office, almost every day, I have a new couple sitting there excited

  • they're about to have a baby.

  • Mom's just ready to pop, you know?

  • They want to do what's right for their kid, and they're wondering about this vaccine issue.

  • In pregnancy, if you go back a couple of decades, it was a sacred time.

  • The womb, you don't put toxins in your body, right?

  • I mean, you eat organic, you avoid medications, you don't drink, a lot of things we would

  • do to keep the unborn child protected from toxins.

  • In 2013, and big push in 2014, the CDC came out with the recommendation we're going to

  • inject a Tdap vaccine, mainly because of the pertussis component, to every pregnant woman

  • in America, so almost 4 million unborn children are getting exposed to a huge dose of aluminum,

  • at a neuro-toxic dose.

  • The FDA has a document that's live today that says, "Don't exceed 5 micrograms per kilogram,

  • especially in premature infants," because they found studies showed it caused developmental

  • delays and brain problems.

  • Somehow, that information is being ignored.

  • I'll tell you why they're ignoring it.

  • The theory is, we inject mom.

  • She's going to develop antibodies against pertussis, give it to her baby, who's born

  • with protection.

  • It's probably a true theory, and it might reduce the risk from 5 to 10 deaths per year

  • to something lower than that, out of those 4 million births.

  • In my way of thinking, however, is it worth poisoning four million unborn babies to potentially

  • save 2, 3, 4, 5 lives?

  • I don't know.

  • I don't want to make that decision for anybody, but if it was my kid, if my wife was pregnant,

  • there's no way I'm guaranteeing a poisoning for that 1 in a million chance it might help

  • my baby.

  • Right, because 600 micrograms of aluminum, and you said the adult daily maximum is 5

  • or 25?

  • Adult daily max is 50.

  • The per kilo dose is 5 micrograms per kilo.

  • That unborn child is definitely, like, less than a kilo.

  • You shouldn't give more than 5 micrograms.

  • The vaccine has 250 to 330, depending on the brand.

  • It's a ridiculously toxic dose.

  • The thinking must be, by the manufacturer or the regulatory body, is that, "Well, that

  • mercury's not crossing the placental barrier," which we know that a lot of things, heavy

  • metals and so forth cross, right?

  • Right.

  • Aluminum, in this case.

  • They got the mercury out.

  • This is aluminum.

  • We just don't have long term studies, so what we would need to do, and of course the American

  • population is the study, is have a huge group that's not getting this vaccine, and a huge

  • group that is, and follow those kids over a 5, 10, 15 year period, because it takes

  • time to see chronic problems from low dose toxicity.

  • The studies haven't been done.

  • Each mom in America is part of the study, if you elect to have that vaccine.

  • Let's talk about that.

  • The dearth of studies.

  • The lack of data.

  • It's really surprising.

  • I mean, a lot of folks, when we think about drugs that are prescribed through physicians,

  • we think of randomized, placebo controlled trials.

  • What's really interesting is the filing, and I learned this from watching the movie Vaxxed,

  • which I would encourage folks to recommend no matter what side of the spectrum they're

  • on, vaccines have this little loophole where they're kind of, there's recommendations and

  • there's not a lot of safety studies or data.

  • Can you talk about that?

  • Well, there's lots of studies, but what's missing are the randomized controlled studies,

  • as you mentioned.

  • Vaccines sort of get a special privilege and kind of a fast track.

  • We really need to do proper placebo controlled studies.

  • The classic one that's just very upsetting to me is the HPV Gardasil vaccine that's being

  • given to teenagers to prevent cervical cancer in women.

  • The package insert from the company that makes that vaccine, it's all laid out for you.

  • They used, except for one tiny subset, they used aluminum at very high doses, the same

  • high doses that are in the vaccine, as their control.

  • There is no control.

  • Then, of course, their outcomes were the same.

  • Well, of course.

  • You injected the same amount of a huge toxin to both groups.

  • To make matters worse, in that particular study, they stopped it at 3 and a half years,

  • long before you could ever determine whether it was actually going to prevent cervical

  • cancer.

  • It's a hypothesis.

  • That's what's missing.

  • Long term, good, placebo controlled studies.

  • What we need for vaccines is what we did with tobacco.

  • I was born in 1957, the year the US government started the huge, millions of people, nonsmokers

  • versus smokers, and they followed these people for decades.

  • Well, we all know, right?

  • Tobacco's not a really good thing to be doing.

  • You're going to increase your cancer risk.

  • We need that same sort of dedication and commitment from the government, from the CDC.

  • Take a huge sample of non-vaccinating, a huge sample of partially vaccinating, and a huge

  • sample of completely vaccinating, and follow these kids for 10, 15, 20 years.

  • Look at the outcomes.

  • There are clues in the literature.

  • JAMA, Journal of the American Medical Association, in 2013, published a study from Norway.

  • 80,000 pregnancies followed for an average of 6 years, half the kids the moms took folate,

  • half didn't.

  • The autism rate if you took folate was 1 in 1,000.

  • 1 in 500 if you didn't.

  • Now, this is at a time when the US, the autism rate was 1 in 100.

  • 1 in 1,000 in Norway.

  • 1 in 100 here.

  • Why?

  • Well, the study wasn't designed to address that.

  • It's just, I throw that out to the viewers.

  • If you're a thinking person, you're going to go, "Hmm.

  • I wonder what could that be."

  • Since I think it's really an issue of toxins, toxins, toxins, I'm thinking, "Okay.

  • What toxins do we have in the US that they don't have in Norway?"

  • Well, GMO is banned in most of Europe, so there's 1 exposure.

  • The other one was the hepatitis B vaccine for newborns, which we've been doing in this

  • country for almost 20 years.

  • They don't do that in Norway.

  • In fact, in most other industrialized countries, you only give the hepatitis B to babies who

  • need it.

  • If the mother has it, for example, right?

  • Exactly.

  • You catch hepatitis B from sex and IV drug use.

  • Babies don't do that.

  • Babies can get hepatitis B if their mom has it.

  • Those babies should definitely get the vaccine, and HBIG as far as that goes.

  • In the US, the CDC says 1 in 100 moms have hepatitis B. I've read other studies where

  • it's more like 1 in 1,000.

  • That means we're injecting a 250 microgram toxic dose of aluminum to either 99 out of

  • 100 or 999 out of 1,000 infants for a disease they're not at risk for, and it just flies

  • against common sense.

  • Last time, during our autism intensive interview, you talked about the immunity that's conferred

  • through that early life vaccination only affects like 20, or the antibody level, it was something

  • to the effect as 25% of 17 year olds.

  • You want to talk about ...? There's several studies now, because we've

  • been doing this for 20 years, 15 to 20 years depending on where you are in the country.

  • 20 year olds, only 24% have immunity.

  • A recent study just showed that if you give those teenagers a booster, it works.

  • Expect there will be a recommendation soon for adding a booster for hepatitis B, when

  • really all we need to do is change it back to the teenagers who are about to be sexually

  • active, for example.

  • Then, they have lasting immunity because their immune system is more developed.

  • Makes complete sense.

  • You're a big enough person that that 250 micrograms of aluminum is not as toxic, either.

  • Right.

  • There's enough neuro development there that you're not going to affect these pathways.

  • Neuro development is well along its way.

  • I remember when I was 9 years old, that's when hep A, hep B, hep C came in.

  • When I was 9, 10, 11, we had to always go to the doctor for that.

  • That newborn, I didn't realize that amount of aluminum was in that as an adjument.

  • Let's kind of talk about this personalized approach.

  • You like vaccines.

  • We'll talk about Hib, one of your favorite vaccines from last time, and so forth.

  • What we're seeing in medicine in general with adults and so forth is personalized approach,

  • where we're looking at genomics, environmental susceptibility, genetics and so forth, and

  • trying to figure out the best plan, whether it's lifestyle, medicine, whatever, but then

  • when it comes to infants, it's like there's the cookie cutter, one size fits all approach,

  • which you talk about in the book and on your YouTube channel, is not the right way to go.

  • How do we customize the vaccine approach so that we're helping folks that have high risk,

  • that have parents with autoimmunity and so forth?

  • Let's kind of talk about that.

  • This is the area that we sorely lack good studies.

  • You have to really dig and find them.

  • There are studies that show there's an increased risk of autism if you have inflammation in

  • the womb.

  • One can extrapolate, and there's another study that shows there's increased inflammation

  • in the womb for those who get a flu shot.

  • Just add 1 plus 1 equals 2.

  • If the flu shot causes inflammation, one study, if inflammation triggers autism increased

  • risk, another study.

  • Perhaps we shouldn't be doing flu shots to pregnant moms.

  • Now, they should do a bigger study, but that is an example of how you need to take the

  • data and individualize it.

  • To speak to genomics, I'll just use one example.

  • There are thousands, hundreds of thousands of single nucleotide polymorphisms, and a

  • lot of people doing some good work in that area.

  • I know you've worked with Ben Lynch.

  • He's just come out with an amazing program that will help people get their 23 and Me

  • analyzed.

  • What I really like about what he's doing is, he's not ignoring the fact that there's a

  • major factor that comes from your environment, from your food, from the toxins you're exposed

  • to.

  • Of course, as my book outlines, we need to also take into consideration the toxins that

  • are in vaccines.

  • The elephant in the room that we call autism, it's not just autism.

  • There's no one autism.

  • There's toxicity that's affecting actual brain development.

  • There's toxicity that's affecting your immune system.

  • There's this new condition, or relatively new syndrome called ASIA: Autoimmune syndrome

  • induced by adjuvants.

  • The main adjuvant in vaccines is aluminum.

  • Lots of studies in the last 5, 10 years showing that aluminum triggers autoimmunity, and there's

  • a connection between autoimmunity and brain problems.

  • MS is one that we're very familiar with, but autism might be ... There's a subset where

  • there might be an immune mechanism going on.

  • It's time to get away from one size fits all, as you were pointing out, and allow families

  • to individualize the approach.

  • Parents know best what their risk factors are.

  • I mean, obviously they want to share these with their doctor.

  • Let's say you're a parent, and you come to me and you say, "Dr. Paul, I'm a homozygous

  • for the MTHFR defect, and my wife's a carrier, so our kids are 50-50 going to be homozygous."

  • Just that defect alone tells me we have extremely higher risk for toxin damage, and I probably

  • wouldn't give a child like that, if it were me, any vaccines.

  • At least not until I'm sure that this child's going to be okay.

  • That's a crazy statement, right?

  • It's like, "What do you mean?"

  • Let's just say you already have an autistic child.

  • You understand if your next child is a boy, their risk is about 1 in 5.

  • It's at least 1 in 20, compared to the going rate, which sadly is 1 in 45 or 1 in 67, depending

  • on the study.

  • The risk doesn't have to be that high.

  • I present in my book some data.

  • The research was approved by Western Institutional Review Board, because it was a retrospective

  • look at our experience in my practice.

  • It's very interesting.

  • Family history is a huge risk factor.

  • We've known that.

  • Not vaccinating at all, especially when you have risk factors, reduces your risk.

  • The main part of my study broke my practice ... The group that we were looking at was

  • kids who were the age that entered my practice when I started integrative pediatrics, which

  • was in 2008.

  • We picked kids who were at least 2 years old, and up to the time of the cut-off of the data

  • bank, they would have been 7.

  • They were ages 2 to 7.

  • Average age of about 4 and a half.

  • Most of the severe autistic kids would have shown up by then.

  • Group 1 was those kids who vaccinated in the vaccine-friendly plan manner, the selective

  • approach where you don't do the hep B if you don't need it.

  • You only do one aluminum-containing vaccine at a time.

  • You wait until age 3 for the MMR.

  • You wait on polio, and you don't do the rotovirus.

  • That's sort of in a nutshell.

  • We had no new cases of autism or autism spectrum out of over 1,000 kids who vaccinated that

  • way.

  • In the unvaccinated group, which was 238 kids, we had no new autism or autism spectrum.

  • In the third group, now, this was a bit of a hodge podge group, so you can't extrapolate

  • too much from it, because these were kids who, some of them joined my practice because

  • they were starting to get nervous about seeing some little glitches.

  • Some of them got the hep B as newborns, which isn't something I recommend.

  • That threw them into group 3.

  • We had 15 cases of autism or autism spectrum out of almost 900 kids.

  • It was a rate of 1 in 60.

  • Pretty close to the going rate out there.

  • By the way, the significance for group 1, doing the vaccine-friendly plan way of vaccinating,

  • had a P value of .00001.

  • You don't get much more power than that.

  • That means for people who are not statisticians, which actually I'm not.

  • I got help with my statistics.

  • That means the chance that that could have happened just by random chance was 1 in 100,000.\\

  • Wow.

  • That's amazing.

  • Fairly significant.

  • Now, for our listeners that may not be familiar with your practice, you have ... I would say

  • a higher risk population, right?

  • People are seeking you out because of your different approach.

  • They might know internally or have some hunch that, you know ... They were referred by a

  • friend or what have you, so that's really unique in the sense that it's that statistically

  • significant that the vaccine-friendly plan ... Again, it makes a lot of sense.

  • You're using informed consent and so forth.

  • For your viewers, the reason I even started this practice was I had a last straw incident

  • in November of 2007.

  • I walked into an exam room, and right in front of me was supposed to be a healthy 2 year

  • old visit.

  • A well child visit.

  • I had a little fellow, I'll call him Jack, and he's in his stroller just looking like

  • this.

  • There was just no ... I'm like, "Jack.

  • Jack."

  • I can get kids to interact.

  • "Jack.

  • Jack.

  • Jack."

  • There was no one home.

  • He was gone.

  • I looked back through the chart and he'd been normal at 1.

  • He was starting to talk.

  • He was normal in every sense of development.

  • He had lost his eye contact, lost his language.

  • He was gone.

  • That was the fourth kid in 4 years in my practice who had gone from normal at 1 to severe autism

  • by 2.

  • It was the last straw for me.

  • I knew better.

  • You know, when you know better, you can do better.

  • I think, sadly, a lot of people just have their blinders on, and it's one size fits

  • all, like we were talking about.

  • They just don't know better.

  • I'm hoping that this book will kind of open people's eyes.

  • I mean, this is a well-referenced, over 300 peer review references that are talking about

  • all the issues.

  • This isn't an anti-vaccine book.

  • I do vaccines every day in my office.

  • No, not at all.

  • One thing that I noticed in my study, when we did our chart reviews, we looked at every

  • single visit in the chart.

  • This was a very labor intensive, took over a year, of 3 different medical students spending

  • summers and evenings.

  • I mean, we really pored through these charts.

  • Something else we do in my practice is, if you start to see developmental delays, you

  • stop all further vaccination.

  • I've had so many patients join my practice who, their pediatrician says, "Oh, no.

  • There's no link.

  • Just do them all."

  • Even when the child's starting to show signs of a problem neurologically, they're continuing

  • on.

  • It's reckless.

  • We had, in our group 1, who followed the vaccine-friendly plan, 3 kids who were starting to look headed

  • down that autism road.

  • They weren't quite severe enough to have a label or a diagnosis.

  • By stopping, they ended up being completely normal.

  • In our smaller group that were more heavily vaccinated, we had 5 such kids who ended up

  • fine.\\ These are kids who I have no doubt would have

  • progressed on to autism if we just kept hammering our way, dosing them with more toxins.

  • That's an example of individualized medicine in the simplest of forms.

  • You have to take each child in front of you as an individual, and tailor what you're doing

  • to what you're seeing.

  • Examine the patient.

  • It's good medicine.

  • Examine the patient.

  • It really makes me sad that we seem to be losing informed consent.

  • When I was in medical school, back in the age of the dinosaurs in the early 80s, we

  • were hammered by our professors about informed consent.

  • You do nothing to a patient until you have explained explicitly the risks and the benefits

  • of the procedure.

  • You also need to explain the alternatives, and in the case of vaccines, which is a procedure,

  • you're injecting something that can have ill effect, right?

  • Potential benefit.

  • Potential side effects.

  • One of the options has to be not doing them.

  • Well, when you have mandates, your viewers probably understand that in California this

  • year, July 1, 2016, if you live in California, and you don't do all the CDC vaccines, you

  • can't go to school, daycare, whether it's private or public.

  • California just released a study last week.

  • They have 97,000 children with an autism diagnosis in the public school.

  • They have a 7 times, 600% rise in autism since 2001.

  • They have kindergartners this year, compared to last year, 17% more autistic kids.

  • The crisis is just exploding.

  • It just baffles me that people aren't willing to look at all the science and use some common

  • sense.

  • There's so many variables, from environmental toxins, GMO foods and so forth.

  • We know we have control over this variable, being the vaccine, and the toxins in the vaccines,

  • so why not minimize exposure?

  • I have 2 questions.

  • The first one is for the people that are into the herd immunity, and when they hear, "Oh

  • my gosh.

  • You're not vaccinating?"

  • They get really reactive.

  • I notice this particularly online.

  • Talk about this, like the rates of polio, and stuff like that.

  • Herd immunity is this concept that if we vaccinate enough in the herd, in this case, the human

  • herd, then if the disease is introduced into the herd, it can't take hold.

  • It actually has some validity.

  • If you think about measles.

  • That's the one that scares everybody, right?

  • We had the Disneyland measles epidemic.

  • That was the whole rationale for mandating vaccines in California.

  • There were less than 200 cases of measles tied to that epidemic, but in the whole country,

  • there were less than 800 cases if I'm not mistaken, in 2014, when we had this epidemic.

  • The usual flux of measles in this country is 200 to 800 over the last decade plus.

  • There have been no deaths in the United States.

  • That's an example of herd immunity working.

  • In Oregon, there was one man who caught measles from Disneyland.

  • He was 40 years old, approximately.

  • Lived in one of the bigger towns in Oregon.

  • Not a single person caught measles from him.

  • That speaks to how well the measles vaccine works.

  • People are going to say, "Well, Dr. Paul, you clearly have disregard for the public

  • if you're going to be anti-vaccine."

  • No.

  • I'm not anti-vaccine.

  • In our vaccine-friendly plan, we do the MMR after age 3, as long as it's safe to do so.

  • There are families who have, it's just too risky.

  • There's some interesting data.

  • In fact, the data that was presented by Dr. William Thompson, the whistle blower for the

  • CDC, actually showed it was safer to give the MMR after age 3.

  • When I opened my practice in 2008, I picked 3 as a probably safer age, not knowing this

  • data.

  • That data was hidden.

  • I did it for this reason.

  • I had seen with my own eyes, in my own practice, 4 kids deteriorate after the MMR.

  • The rationale I thought was, "Well, if the neural networks are established, which is

  • usually by age 3, kids are talking.

  • They're very connected with their world.

  • Maybe ..." I was just hoping that if the MMR is causing mischief, it won't be as bad.

  • The brain is all well set.

  • It seems to have worked out.

  • I'm not saying that we don't need more studies.

  • We definitely do, but I have a feeling that it'll be safer to give that vaccine at age

  • 3.

  • You still maintain herd immunity, so if a case of measles comes in to the population,

  • people are still vaccinated.

  • You might say, "Well, what about those who are under 3?"

  • Well, what about autism?

  • You know what I mean?

  • You have to somehow use science and common sense.

  • You mentioned polio.

  • There hasn't been a case of polio since 1979 that was acquired here in the United States.

  • Basically, polio is transmitted through drinking water that was contaminated.

  • The lack of good water.

  • That's not a problem anymore in the United States.

  • It's not going to be a problem.

  • We don't need to worry about polio.

  • You have to take each vaccine one at a time, and that's what this book does.

  • This book will take you from chapter 1, which is all about toxins, because really it's not

  • just vaccines.

  • I think people get, when they hear the vaccine anything, people are polarized, right?

  • Pro or anti.

  • Let's get rid of this polarization and just be scientific.

  • We start with pregnancy after dealing with toxins, and in pregnancy, keep it sacred,

  • including minimizing stress.

  • Then, the books walks you through each age that you would see a pediatrician, so that

  • you know and you're armed with what to do.

  • When you go in to the pediatrician, you're going to know what they're expecting you to

  • do, as far as vaccines, but everything else.

  • All the normal growth and development is covered.

  • The common childhood illnesses are covered.

  • In the vaccine arena, we address each disease, the risks, the benefits of doing the vaccines,

  • and try to make common sense decisions based on all the literature that's out there.\\

  • This is really a primer for parents, of all ... It's what to get after you get What to

  • Expect When You're Expecting.

  • It's, like, the follow up book, really.

  • I was telling Sam in the car, because it goes through everything, from colic, and "My baby

  • has a rough throat when they're breathing."

  • All these things, for new parents, it kind of freaks you out.

  • At least, the first go around.

  • The second go around, you're like, "They're going to be fine."

  • That's really fantastic.

  • Now, one thing that I remember from the book was, pediatricians, generally, like to follow

  • the CDC rules, and so forth.

  • If a pediatrician gives a parent a hard time for wanting to go follow this vaccine-friendly

  • plan, your advice is find a new pediatrician.

  • Talk about that empowerment.

  • A lot of people are scared by their health care practitioner.

  • Just talking to one of my staff members who has a friend who just went through this very

  • thing.

  • Being threatened about kicked out of the practice.

  • She's vaccinated her previous 4 kids completely on the CDC schedule.

  • Her fifth kid is having some problems, and she wants to slow it down, and she's being

  • threatened with being kicked out.

  • I get patients every week who have been kicked out of somebody else's practice, because they

  • won't follow guidelines.

  • Why are pediatricians doing this?

  • Risk, probably, right?

  • Liability?

  • There's a number of things.

  • The biggest driver I think is ignorance and misinformation.

  • However, pediatricians are good people.

  • They really care about people.

  • I went into the practice of pediatrics for that reason.

  • I loved all the pediatricians I saw.

  • They were family men, women, they love kids.

  • They're trying to do what's right.

  • When I was a new pediatrician, I figured, "Well, how could I know more than the CDC?"

  • No way.

  • All the smartest doctors are there at the CDC.

  • What's become apparent is that there's some conflicts of interest at the level of the

  • CDC.

  • As a result, you really have to think independently.

  • You can't just rely on CDC guidelines.

  • The hepatitis B is that perfect example.

  • They have the information.

  • It is long past time that we're still injecting newborns with hepatitis B vaccine who don't

  • need it.

  • Clearly, there's something going on.

  • Conflicts of interest.

  • Time for pediatricians to think for themselves.

  • Well, then why are they still doing this?

  • It turns out, there's a lot of pressure to follow guidelines.

  • This pressure is now coming forth in the form of quality measures.

  • You see, a health plan will say, "We're going to be looking at your rate of vaccination,

  • and we're going to look at 2 year olds, and see how many of your patients have gotten

  • all their vaccines that they're supposed to have by age 2."

  • If you don't meet a certain standard, let's say it's 70% or 80%, you're a bad doctor.

  • You're going to actually lose your bonus, or we're going to cut your pay, your reimbursement

  • rate, because you're a bad doctor.

  • Now, it's hitting doctors in their pocketbook, and office overhead has gone through the roof.

  • Now, it's actually survival.

  • You'll have office managers pushing.

  • "We've got to do this," and setting up office policies to make sure everybody's getting

  • vaccinated.

  • There's all this pressure, and I think people, pediatricians, they're just not paying attention

  • to the fact that, "Hmm.

  • Wait a minute.

  • Why are we giving hepatitis B to newborns?"

  • It's complicated.

  • I don't think there are bad people out there.

  • I think they're just under all this pressure to do what's right in the name of public health.

  • You know, it sounds so good.

  • "We're going to have a public health and quality measure improvement process in our office.

  • We're going to make sure we're the best we can be."

  • The number 1 thing for a pediatrician to look at is their vaccine rate.

  • Is this pressure from insurance companies?

  • Reimbursements?

  • Yes, at times.

  • At times, it's from insurance companies.

  • The other thing that's happening in California, for example, the only way to get an exemption

  • is if you get a medical exemption.

  • What they're doing there with their new law is there's a real pressure, any doctor that's

  • giving a lot of exemptions, they're feeling the scrutiny of the system.

  • Even the schools are not wanting to follow through with medical exemptions unless they

  • are per CDC guidelines.

  • Now, big brother, CDC and government, is not only behind making the rules that you can

  • only have a medical exemption, they're going to tell you what kind of a medical exemption.

  • If I'm your doctor, and I know your MTHFR status, and I know you have 2 kids with autism,

  • your risk is through the ceiling.

  • You should not give the one size fits all vaccine plan.

  • The CDC doesn't see that.

  • The only thing that qualifies in their mind is allergic reaction, severe autoimmune issues,

  • right?

  • It's complicated.

  • What tips do you have for a pediatrician listening right now?

  • Hopefully, folks listening would share this with their pediatrician.

  • If they want to use a sensible approach like you've laid out in your book, what do they

  • do?

  • Like you said, there's pressure coming from all angles here.

  • You know, pediatricians, it's time to stand up.

  • We have got to return to informed consent.

  • We've got to be science based.

  • We can't just follow guidelines without really thinking about what we're doing.

  • You know, I would urge you to avoid contempt prior to investigation.

  • I was once just like every pediatrician.

  • I totally believed everything that came out of the CDC.

  • When I started doing a little deeper digging, wow, there's a lot of information out there,

  • on the toxicity of mercury, the toxicity of aluminum.

  • ASIA, the new autoimmune syndrome induced by adjuvants.

  • The list just goes on and on.

  • Then, to find out, for example, what was in Vaxxed, that the CDC knew in 2002, when they

  • were charged to do the study that looked at the MMR vaccine and autism by congress, they

  • found data that showed there was a link.

  • Well, they couldn't publish that.

  • They did some maneuvers to get rid of that finding, and they published a study in Pediatrics

  • in 2004 that showed no link, using the very data set that had a link.\\

  • Now, that, that should be criminal.

  • Of course, I don't have privy to the 1,000 pages that have been submitted to congress,

  • so, for pediatricians, before you pass judgment, and I'm not passing judgment either, let's

  • get Dr. William Thompson subpoenaed in front of congress.

  • He said he wants to testify.

  • Let's let him testify.

  • This is bigger than Watergate.

  • I mean, this is huge.

  • If there's a link between vaccines and autism that's been hidden from the population while

  • the autism rate skyrockets, we have over a million autistic kids in the last decade.

  • Almost 100,000 in California public schools now.

  • They weren't there.

  • When I was in medical school in 1981 to 1985, guess how many cases of autism I saw?

  • None.

  • You've interviewed me before.

  • There were none.

  • In residency, I saw a handful of mild cases of PDD-NOS, pervasive development disorder

  • not otherwise specified, which is what we would call autism spectrum today.

  • Today, it's just out of control.

  • It's really scary stuff.

  • That would open Pandora's box, you know?

  • You know, we've got to do it.

  • We've got to do it.

  • I mean, at some point, we've got to stand up for real science and not allow ... There's

  • a lot of research being done that's sponsored by pharmaceutical companies, and their interests

  • are to show benefit.

  • You do little tiny studies, and when you get one that shows benefit, you publish it.

  • Think about if we looked at tobacco that way, and we compared a pack a day smoker to a 2

  • pack a day smoker, and we looked at them 6 months and a year out and looked for lung

  • cancer.

  • We wouldn't have found anything.

  • See?

  • Smoking's safe.

  • It doesn't work that way.

  • We need better design of our studies.

  • Yeah.

  • Absolutely.

  • Just to kind of summarize as we finish off here, for folks, this is a really personalized

  • and customizable plan that you can kind of piecemeal together, that you've laid out in

  • this book here, The Vaccine-Friendly Plan.

  • Basically, what I heard you say, there, Dr. Paul, and correct me if I'm wrong, that if

  • your child is high risk, autoimmunity, and you see some developmental delays, slow things

  • down and personalize the approach.

  • If you go off, don't vaccinate at all, especially the aluminum containing vaccines, there's

  • enough herd immunity that you're at very low risk, and look at each vaccine and which disease

  • it confers benefit against individually, and look at the risk-reward benefit.

  • In a nutshell, you're right.

  • In the appendix, we actually have The Vaccine-Friendly Plan outlined, that we've used in my practice.

  • We have, in this particular study and data, over 2,000 patients who have done very well

  • with this.

  • I think there's a lot of nuance that's written into this book as well, so you can't just

  • take a prescription from an appendix.

  • You really ought to read it, because there's situations where I think it's very clear you

  • should avoid this particular vaccine ingredient, or this particular vaccine.

  • I did my best to bring that research forward, and we need more.

  • Well, speaking of research, I know you spend a lot of personal time ... I remember, like

  • on Sundays, we would talk about other things, and you were diving into the research.

  • A couple of final questions here is morning routines.

  • That's the first question, and we know that busy practitioners and influencers in our

  • community have a morning routine.

  • This is more we're getting personal here, Dr. Paul.

  • What do you do in the first couple of hours of your day that's special or unique?

  • You are getting personal, aren't you?

  • I have a new kitten, and the damn thing ... Oh, sorry.

  • You can't say that on video.

  • It's all good.

  • Wakes me up way too early.

  • No, that was just recent.

  • I start my day every day going through the world literature.

  • I have a few listservs that I subscribe to, where I get all this data, and I scan the

  • abstracts, and if it looks like, "Oh, this is important ..." I'm not saying that other

  • things aren't important, but I'm saying, important for the world of preventative health, pediatrics,

  • having babies safely, avoiding toxins, vaccines, in that arena.

  • I will save the abstracts that I need to read the full article and go through that later.

  • This year, I wrote my book, and so I've got over 1,000 saved articles that I have to get

  • to, but I read the abstracts.

  • That's the first thing I do.

  • Then, starting real soon, I'm purchasing an enclosed bicycle.

  • We live in the northwest where it rains.

  • I'm anticipating the rains coming.

  • I'm going to leave extra early and pedal to work.

  • I'm going to ride my bike.

  • It's about 6 miles, but a lot of start and stop because it's city.

  • I'm going to get a workout, because this bike is heavy.

  • It's covered, so when it's raining, then you're not going to get wet.

  • No matter what.

  • Wow.

  • Is this a new bicycle?

  • I haven't seen this.

  • It's called an ELF I'll have to check it out.

  • Look it up online, yeah.

  • Because I've been too busy, first with raising 10 kids, and then with my huge practice and

  • writing a book, I've neglected exercise a bit more than I wished I had, so I'm going

  • to add that in.

  • I think that's important, and then a little bit of meditation would be good.

  • I'm a little weak in that department.

  • I need to add a little spiritual and meditation component for sure.

  • That's awesome.

  • The research is a big component every morning, it sounds like.

  • Very much so.

  • I don't feel like I started my day off right if I breeze past that.

  • I just don't want to miss anything.

  • I'm sure I do miss things.

  • You can't keep up.

  • There's so much information.

  • I think a lot of times, busy physicians in the trenches seeing patients, I mean, my practice

  • has over 13,000 patients, sure, we're a team, but they're my patients.

  • We don't get a lot of time to read.

  • We end up relying on the CDC to sort of encapsulate for us, or the Academy of Pediatrics, and

  • they do a pretty good job in some areas, but when it comes to the particular issue here

  • with the vaccine-friendly plan, where you're looking at neurological issues, autism, and

  • vaccines, and toxins, there's a lot out there, folks, that you just miss.

  • It's not being brought to your attention.

  • What I've noticed, doing consulting work in the doctor space for the past 10 years, what

  • really separates the integrative functional medicine practitioners from the general insurance-based,

  • Medicare type folks is that self-study.

  • That wanting to sharpen the saw and look deeper.

  • It's really unique, in that, like you mentioned, a lot of practitioners just don't have time.

  • If you don't make time to study, you're not going to get the time.

  • I would encourage other practitioners, when you're just following guidelines like I used

  • to, medicine can get pretty boring, really.

  • It's cookie cutter.

  • Anybody could do it.

  • When you delve into the research and you become integrative, you become a functional medicine

  • type doctor or an integrative medicine, you incorporate other practices, naturopathic,

  • et cetera, it gets exciting.

  • Not only are you now addressing root cause, instead of just treating symptoms, but you're

  • helping people get better.

  • I mean, every day I'm getting stories where people have seen all the specialists, mainstream,

  • they're not getting anywhere.

  • They come and we start figuring it out.

  • It's exciting.

  • That really is exciting.

  • There's computers and robots that can do this algorithm-based medicine, so if you're practicing

  • that model, it's obsolete.

  • You'd better start doing more functional based.

  • Speaking of functional medicine, what's your favorite herb, nutrient, botanical, or whole

  • food?

  • You're going to go live on a desert island, vitamin D and omega 3s are covered.

  • You can only take 1 thing with you.

  • What would it be?

  • You hit my 2 favorites, vitamin D and omega 3s.

  • You've got to have those.

  • What other nutrient?

  • Well, I would say, if you have the genetics that too many people have in this country,

  • which is the MTHFR defect, you've got to have methylfolate.

  • I don't know.

  • There's so many antioxidants that are so important.

  • You know, vitamin C, There's a lot.

  • You personally, because you've shared this before, you have the MTHFR snip, so for you

  • personally, folate would be up there.

  • It needs to be methylfolate, though, for the most part.

  • For parents listening, for kids, I know you probably do injectable methylfolate.

  • Efficacy, or the effectiveness of oral versus injectable?

  • What have you found for children?

  • Actually, I have not delved into the injectable methylfolate a lot.

  • I've done some injectable b12.

  • I have found that if you push the methylfolate high enough, it often works, but there's folate

  • trapping.

  • It's a complicated issue, and I'm not really an expert, per se.

  • Not like, say, someone like Ben Lynch, who really understands all those pathways.

  • This is a really important area of research and study.

  • If folks want to learn, we've done a couple interviews with Dr. Ben Lynch, so they can

  • find that on the link below this video.

  • Dr. Paul, final question here, if you were to bump shoulders with someone from the World

  • Health Organization, or a future president, and just had 30 seconds to bend their ear

  • in an elevator perhaps, what would you want them to know, and why?

  • I would ask them to read this book, to be open minded to the fact that the current direction

  • we've been on with the World Health Organization and the CDC is very myopic.

  • I mean, it's basically, "Vaccines are safe and effective, period."

  • We're ignoring all the potential side effects.

  • I love vaccines, but we have got to change this one size fits all, because we're doing

  • more harm than good, I believe.

  • If you can't change ... I can not un-see what I've seen.

  • I can't un-know what I know.

  • I can un-learn bad information, and this is what we need.

  • We need to start learning what's really going on, and start getting rid of some of the bad

  • information that we've accepted.

  • Paradigm shifts are hard.

  • I think especially for the World Health Organization and the CDC, their whole basis of existence

  • is preventing infectious diseases, right?

  • It's like, so you go to war to prevent infection diseases, you use vaccines.

  • That's your weapon.

  • Weapon of choice.

  • Nothing wrong with the weapon, for certain particular fights, but we've overused this

  • weapon to such an extent that the collateral damage is just ridiculous.

  • I would just ask you, as a person in power, whether you're the president, or somebody

  • in a high level at the CDC or the World Health Organization, you know, kids are hurting.

  • People are hurting out there.

  • When you over-vaccinate, and you over-tax the immune system at a very young age, you

  • shift people towards allergy and autoimmunity.

  • The chronic diseases we're seeing today are partially due to that very issue.

  • We've got to change what we're doing.

  • We've got to individualize medicine.

  • We can not do one size fits all medicine anymore.

  • This kind of just came up, right?

  • If the vaccines didn't contain the adjevents like aluminum, for example, would you be more

  • open to, say, MMR perhaps or other vaccines?

  • Well, MMR doesn't have aluminum.

  • Its challenge is complex.

  • I think very potent, 3 live viruses, all in one, for one thing.

  • Let's just take the Tdap.

  • Diptheria, tetanus, pertussis.

  • It has a pretty high dose of aluminum.

  • For a number of reasons, that vaccine isn't very effective anymore.

  • There's the protactin protein.

  • We're finding that the organism has mutated and shifted so that the vaccine doesn't even

  • work a lot of the time.

  • On top of that, it has all that aluminum.

  • There's a couple problems with it.

  • Let's rework it.

  • I really think, for the vaccines to become safe and effective, that little clich\\'e9,

  • we have got to put liability back into the equation.

  • If insurance companies were liable for the damage their products are causing, they're

  • going to improve their products.

  • Unfortunately, a long time ago, we did a misguided thing by removing liability.

  • I understand why it was done.

  • It was felt to be in the interest of the safety of the country, but it's backfired.

  • We need to put liability back where it belongs.

  • Go to individualized medicine.

  • Get rid of mandates.

  • Return to informed consent, and it's going to be okay.

  • This is the problem.

  • Everybody, "The sky is going to fall.

  • We're going to have all these diseases return."

  • No, they won't.

  • They won't.

  • I mean, there might be a little case of measles here or there, right?

  • An occasional death.

  • I'm not saying that's nothing for that family that loses somebody, but if you're looking

  • at public health, you've got to look at the whole picture.

  • What's the damage, the collateral damage, compared to what we're preventing?

  • And the long-term damage, in terms of care, in terms of, yeah.

  • Our world is in a crisis with cancer.

  • What's that about?

  • That's immunity.

  • It's our immune system that prevents cancer, and if you're affecting your immune system

  • negatively through toxins, toxins, toxins, and vaccines are a piece of the toxic puzzle,

  • as well as too many, too soon, too fast against an immature immune system, triggers shifts,

  • maybe we've got something there as well.

  • I would love to see the CDC and the World Health Organization take their focus off of

  • just preventing infectious diseases.

  • That was a century ago.

  • Shift it to health and wellness.

  • If we shift our focus to health and wellness, we can change the world.

  • Thankfully, we now have a tool to do that.

  • Your book, The Vaccine-Friendly Plan.

  • Dr. Paul Thomas, as I mentioned before, it's really an honor to sit here and speak with

  • you, and it's so great to see this manifest over years of working and knowing you.

  • I commend you.

  • Keep up the great work.

  • As we kind of part ways here, you have a wonderful YouTube channel, which we'll have below this

  • video if people are watching this, and in the show notes on iTunes.

  • People want to connect with you.

  • What website should they connect with you on?

  • I have a website, DrPaulApproved.com.

  • It's relatively new, but this is the website I'm going to grow to be able to connect with

  • patients, and just people who are interested.

  • I'm already putting up the references from this book, will be available in as much as

  • I'm able to do so legally, so that people can actually read the abstracts that are referenced

  • in this book, and in my reference section, will have tabs developed for each disease

  • that can be possibly prevented by vaccines.

  • There will be tabs on aluminum, on mercury, HPV, any vaccine.

  • I'm going to work real hard to keep those up to date, and they'll have the most recent

  • articles at the top, going all the way down through the literature.

  • That will be a free resource available, and there will be other resources available on

  • that website as we develop it.

  • I'd say that's probably your best bet.

  • For people who are just curious about my practice, and please, I am not looking for patients,

  • we're slammed, but DrPaul.md is my regular practice, and there's just a boatload of information

  • there as well.

  • DrPaulApproved, and I think there's, what, 50 pages of references here?

  • It's over 407 pages, I counted.

  • Over 400 pages.

  • Yup.

  • Over 300 references, most of them peer reviewed studies.

  • I think this could be a very important book.

  • Keep up the great work.

  • It was an honor to speak with you again.

  • Thank you so much.

  • It's an honor to be able to talk with you.

  • Fantastic Take care

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