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  • (Ray Comfort) You're an atheist?

  • I am definitely an atheist, yes.

  • (Ray Comfort) Why are you an atheist?

  • Why am I an atheist? Because there is no God.

  • Atheism assumes that you can disprove the existence of a God.

  • Agnostic is a more correct term, but I'm an atheist.

  • (Ray Comfort) Are you an atheist?

  • - Yeah. - I am an atheist, yeah.

  • - I am, yes. - I am.

  • (Ray Comfort) So you're not an atheist?

  • No, I'm not.

  • (Ray Comfort) So you're leaning that way because of evolution?

  • Yeah.

  • I don't believe in the, there's a guy in the sky

  • that lives in the sky.

  • - You believe in evolution? - Of course I do, yes.

  • (male narrator) "Live Science" says of Darwinian evolution:

  • "It can turn dinosaurs into birds, apes into humans

  • and amphibious mammals into whales."

  • What Darwin showed in his work on evolution

  • and natural selection is that we don't need to invoke

  • any supernatural force or power

  • to account for the development of life through time on earth.

  • The ongoing processes that are observable in today's world.

  • (Ray Comfort) Do you think it's a belief?

  • I think it's just fact.

  • I think more like facts.

  • There is too much evidence to ignore.

  • (Ray Comfort) Do you think it's a belief?

  • - No, it's science. - It's the way it happened.

  • It's logical.

  • You know, all the scientists pretty much agree with it.

  • It's more of a fact.

  • (Ray Comfort) When did you start to believe?

  • When I started to think for myself.

  • (Ray Comfort) When did you start believing?

  • When I took my first biology class.

  • It all started to make a lot of sense.

  • The teacher made it very easy to understand.

  • I generally trust the scientific community.

  • It makes more sense than any religion or anything.

  • The fossils they have found of all the cavemen,

  • the Homo sapiens, dinosaurs-- it shows clear evidence.

  • I believe in science.

  • (Ray Comfort) What's your major here at this university?

  • Biology.

  • - You're a biology major? - Yeah.

  • - You believe in evolution? - Yes.

  • - What's your major? - Geology.

  • - Chemistry. - Biochemistry.

  • Environmental science and policy.

  • I'm a physicist.

  • Biochemistry.

  • (Ray Comfort) Okay, do you believe in evolution?

  • Yes, I do.

  • - Do you believe in evolution? - Yes, I do.

  • - Of course. - Yes, I do.

  • I do believe in evolution.

  • - You believe in evolution? - Yes.

  • - Are you a strong believer? - Yes.

  • - Are you a strong believer? - Yep.

  • - Yes. - Yes.

  • Absolutely.

  • (narrator) A Scientific method is based on "the collection

  • of data through observation and experimentation." -Science Daily

  • (Ray Comfort) Could you give me some observable evidence

  • that evolution is true?

  • Something I don't have to receive by faith?

  • - Yeah. - Some observable evidence?

  • I mean, take a look at what happened 65 million years ago.

  • (Ray Comfort) Hang on, I can't, that's 65 million years ago.

  • I believe, yeah, millions of years.

  • (Ray Comfort) So that can't be observed.

  • We can trace the evolution through the fossil record.

  • (Ray Comfort) Could you be specific, just give me one?

  • Between 6 and 7 million years ago.

  • Hundreds of thousands to millions of years.

  • - So it's quite a long time. - Yes.

  • - Millions of years? - Yes.

  • (Ray Comfort) So it can't be observed?

  • Evolution is not testable over time.

  • (narrator) "We are condemned to live only for a few decades

  • and that's too slow, too small a time scale

  • to see evolution going on," Richard Dawkins.

  • "We see nothing of these slow changes in progress,

  • until the hand of time has marked the lapse of ages..."

  • Charles Darwin.

  • (Ray Comfort) You've got the canine kind: the coyote and the domestic dog;

  • and there's the feline kind: which is the cats,

  • the tiger, and the kitten; and you've got humankind.

  • So Darwin said there'd be a change of kinds

  • over many years,

  • so could you give me one example of observable evidence

  • of a change of kinds?

  • So for instance, the fossil record shows

  • the common ancestors of all carnivores,

  • that cats and dogs were once linked,

  • united by a common ancestor.

  • (Ray Comfort) How long ago?

  • This, I believe, was, like, 60 million years ago.

  • (Ray Comfort) I don't want something that I have to accept by faith.

  • I want it to be observable.

  • Observable evidence.

  • Well, I mean, if you're just asking me here on the street,

  • there's really not much I can tell you

  • in terms of observable evidence.

  • Like, we would have to really examine existing data

  • to draw conclusions of our own.

  • (Ray Comfort) We would have to have faith, then?

  • We would have to have some amount of faith.

  • (Ray Comfort) Can you think of any observable evidence

  • for Darwinian evolution,

  • where he said there'd be a change of kind?

  • (male) Like a monkey to a man, is that what you're talking about?

  • (Ray Comfort) Yeah, a change of kinds.

  • I don't really believe there's any proof for that yet.

  • Well, monkeys are the only ones

  • with the fifth digit like we have.

  • (Ray Comfort) Koalas have a fifth digit. Did you know that?

  • (female) I didn't know that.

  • (Ray Comfort) Do you think we're evolved from koalas?

  • No.

  • I went to, like, Washington, D.C.

  • I saw they had a whole exhibit just on the--

  • - In the Smithsonian? - Yeah, in the Smithsonian.

  • (Ray Comfort) I went to that. It's just like some stuffed dummies,

  • like standing around a fire.

  • I know that everyone talks about the missing link

  • for humans and whatnot.

  • I believe that there are connections that are out there

  • that we haven't found yet.

  • I'm going to trust what those experts did,

  • those experts came up with.

  • I have a strong trust in evolutionary ideas

  • based on the evidence presented.

  • (Ray Comfort) Can you think of any observable evidence

  • for Darwinian evolution, a change of kinds?

  • I haven't seen it myself,

  • but I believe what the textbooks tell me about it, so.

  • (Ray Comfort) You've got faith in the experts?

  • I have faith in the experts, yeah.

  • I guess similar to how religious people have faith

  • that God actually exists, I have faith in the experts

  • knowing what they're talking about.

  • (Ray Comfort) The scientific method is it must be observable and repeatable,

  • so could you give me one piece of observable evidence

  • for Darwinian evolution?

  • Okay, I would point to-- there's one great example

  • is look at the genetics of the stickleback.

  • (Ray Comfort) What's that?

  • So stickleback fish are a very interesting collection

  • of species that were recently isolated

  • after the end of the Ice Age.

  • (Ray Comfort) What have they become?

  • They're various species of sticklebacks.

  • (Ray Comfort) They stayed as fish?

  • Well, of course.

  • (Ray Comfort) Can you think of any observable evidence

  • where there was a change of kinds?

  • Fish.

  • Human beings are still fish.

  • (Ray Comfort) Human beings are fish?

  • Why, yes, of course they are.

  • (Ray Comfort) How long did that take?

  • Couple billions of years, millions.

  • - Couple millions? - Yep.

  • - How is that observable? - It's not.

  • We came out of the ground as a mammal,

  • and one mammal created--

  • (Ray Comfort) Come out of the ground?

  • Didn't we come out of the sea?

  • Huh? Well, initially in the beginning,

  • we came out of the ground and the sea.

  • After the great destruction of the--

  • (Ray Comfort) So did we have lungs or gills when we came out of the sea?

  • You want to know something?

  • Those that were in the sea I guess had gills,

  • and those that were on land had lungs.

  • (Ray Comfort) But if we came out of the sea, we had gills in the sea?

  • You want to know something?

  • Who knows that we came out of the sea or we came out of--

  • we evolved from mammals?

  • - So you don't know? - Huh? Of course I don't know.

  • I'm accepting that they did their science correctly.

  • (Ray Comfort) Could you give me an example of Darwinian evolution,

  • not adaptation or speciation, but a change of kinds?

  • [laughing]

  • These are changes of kinds.

  • (Ray Comfort) They're still fish.

  • They're distinctly different fish.

  • We have thousands of examples.

  • (Ray Comfort) Can you give me one?

  • - I can give you thousands. - Just one.

  • For instance,

  • I would say look at Lenski's experiments in bacteria, then.

  • (Ray Comfort) So what have the bacteria become?

  • The bacteria are still bacteria, of course.

  • (Ray Comfort) So that's not Darwinian evolution.

  • That's not a change of kinds, is it?

  • It is a change in the genetic makeup of the bacteria.

  • (Ray Comfort) But they're still bacteria.

  • So what have the bacteria become?

  • A new kind of bacteria.

  • (Ray Comfort) It's still bacteria. There's no change of kinds.

  • To summarize, the observable evidence that you give me

  • for Darwinian evolution is bacteria becoming bacteria.

  • No, it is bacteria acquiring new metabolic capabilities.

  • (Ray Comfort) You said before that there was lots of evidence for evolution.

  • I just want one observable evidence

  • for Darwinian evolution. Just one.

  • But I gave you some. You don't want--

  • (Ray Comfort) Not some. I want one.

  • Wait, you don't want that.

  • (Ray Comfort) I want one. Yes, I do.

  • I'm pleading with people.

  • You asked me to tell you-- you asked me to tell you

  • when I've watched one species evolve into another.

  • Isn't that right?

  • (Ray Comfort) No, one kind into another.

  • There's 14 different definitions of species,

  • so I want a change of kind.

  • When you're talking about kinds or change in families,

  • you're actually talking about macroevolution.

  • You're talking about changes on the level that separates,

  • say, cats from dogs.

  • (Ray Comfort) So could you give me any examples of Darwinian evolution?

  • Well, when you say examples of that,

  • then you have to sort of look at it over a longer time frame.

  • It has nothing to do with faith.

  • Faith is something that I have to--unseen,

  • I have to believe it.

  • (Ray Comfort) That's it, unseen.

  • Look, do you believe evolution?

  • Of course I do.

  • (Ray Comfort) Are you a believer in evolution?

  • Yes, I am.

  • (Ray Comfort) When did you start to believe evolution?

  • I started to believe evolution

  • when I started to think for myself.

  • (Ray Comfort) Is evolution a belief?

  • Evolu-- well, you know something?

  • Evolution is a thought process.

  • It's this coming-to-terms

  • and checking out all the alternatives.

  • Like, taking a looking at the religion, man-made religions.

  • (Ray Comfort) Let me ask you again. Is evolution a belief?

  • No, evolution is-- well, yeah.

  • In a word, yeah, I could say it could be a belief.

  • When you say change of kinds,

  • do you mean the evolution of one species

  • from another or to another?

  • Yes, we have that in action, actually, in the Galapagos.

  • (Ray Comfort) Could you give me one instance?

  • Yes, we have an example from a group of birds

  • called Darwin's finches.

  • You take a look at the difference between

  • the finches on the islands that all started out,

  • I mean, that's very, very observable.

  • (Ray Comfort) But that's not Darwinian evolution.

  • There's been no change of kinds.

  • What have the finches become?

  • They become genetically new and anatomically new,

  • recognizably different species.

  • (Ray Comfort) So they're still finches?

  • Well, of course they're still finches, yes.

  • (Ray Comfort) So there's no change of kind.

  • Little birds that he had observed that--

  • (Ray Comfort) What did they become?

  • Their beaks, their beak shapes, they're--

  • - They're still birds. - Yes.

  • Three finches that turn

  • into different types of birds, based on--

  • (Ray Comfort) They're still finches.

  • Well, for example,

  • Darwin and his study on evolution

  • of the birds on the island that he went onto there.

  • - Their beaks changed? - Their beaks--

  • (Ray Comfort) But they're still birds. There's no change of kinds.

  • That's within the kind.

  • No, no, no, it's just evolution on the beaks.

  • (Ray Comfort) So that's called adaptation.

  • That's not Darwinian evolution.

  • There's no change of kinds.

  • There's no different animal involved.

  • I want something that shows me

  • Darwin's belief in the change of kinds is scientific.

  • Darwin spoke of a change of kind.

  • Can you think of any observable evidence

  • for Darwinian evolution where there's a change of kind?

  • Change of kind, change of kind...

  • I'm going to have to think about that one a little longer.

  • (Ray Comfort) Can you give me anything that I can see, observe, and test,

  • which is the scientific method, for Darwinian evolution,

  • a change of kinds?

  • Test and observe...

  • (Ray Comfort) Could you give me observable evidence,

  • which is the scientific method, for Darwinian evolution,

  • a change of kinds?

  • Okay, I got to think about it.

  • So you want the evidence of it?

  • I would say...

  • [sighing]

  • I cannot, I think.

  • It's a hard question, actually.

  • So, can you repeat the question again?

  • (Ray Comfort) Could you give me any observable evidence, just one,

  • for Darwinian evolution?

  • Let me think about that for a sec.

  • (Ray Comfort) Observable evidence,

  • something where we don't have to exercise faith?

  • Something that can be observed,

  • like the scientific process, observable?

  • That's a good question. That one I'm not quite sure.

  • (Ray Comfort) So you can't think of any

  • observable evidence for evolution?

  • - No. - How do you know it's true?

  • I'm not sure.

  • (Ray Comfort) So Darwinian evolution is not observable?

  • It's not scientific?

  • I guess so.

  • (Ray Comfort) So it's unscientific. You can't prove it.

  • It is scientific actually. You could prove it.

  • It could be proven, just--

  • (Ray Comfort) Do it for me.

  • Ah, that's hard.

  • I don't-- that's just too broad of a--

  • (Ray Comfort) It's unobservable, that's why.

  • You need millions of years.

  • Yes, exactly.

  • (Ray Comfort) You're trusting the biology majors

  • and the biology professors

  • know what they're talking about,

  • and they can't even give me evidence of a change of kinds.

  • Well, then, there isn't one.

  • If they don't give it, then I wouldn't say there was.

  • I just go on what I've seen

  • and what I've learned from class.

  • - So you believe? - Yeah.

  • - You know what that's called? - What?

  • - Blind faith. - Blind faith.

  • (narrator) "Faith is the great cop-out,

  • the great excuse to evade the need to think

  • and evaluate evidence," Richard Dawkins.

  • (Ray Comfort) Do you believe in intelligent design?

  • Of course not.

  • (Ray Comfort) Do you think everything is intelligently designed?

  • No, I don't believe that things are intelligently designed.

  • (Ray Comfort) Okay, you seem like an intelligent person,

  • so I'm going to ask you something.

  • I'd like you to make me a rose, okay?

  • How would you make a rose?

  • I don't have the capabilities to do that.

  • (Ray Comfort) No, hang on, now, it's not intelligently designed,

  • so you should be able to whip me up a rose real quick.

  • Do you believe a rose is intelligently designed?

  • Definitely not.

  • In order for me to know what to make,

  • I have to know what a rose is.

  • (Ray Comfort) Well, it's got a seed.

  • So you've got to start with nothing

  • and you've got to create a seed from nothing.

  • - Oh. - Can you do that?

  • No, I can't.

  • (Ray Comfort) Could you make a rose from nothing?

  • No.

  • Can't really make something from nothing.

  • It's just basic, you know, science.

  • - A rose from nothing? - A rose.

  • Just like-- I can't, honestly.

  • (Ray Comfort) Why not?

  • Me? I just have no supernatural abilities.

  • (Ray Comfort) All the geniuses in the world

  • can't make a grain of sand from nothing.

  • We don't know where to start.

  • - I can't. - Why not?

  • I don't have millions, billions of years.

  • That would be physically impossible.

  • I mean, I would have to-- that's not possible.

  • (Ray Comfort) So how could you say

  • everything is not intelligently designed?

  • Where does that leave you on the scale of intelligence

  • if you say everything is not intelligently designed,

  • and you can't even make a rose?

  • Why do you think there's no one teaching

  • intelligent design at UCLA?

  • (Ray Comfort) 'Cause they're not allowed to.

  • We can teach anything we want.

  • (narrator) There's a reason intelligent design isn't taught

  • in our learning institutions.

  • According to physicist Victor Stenger,

  • "The legal staff of Freedom From Religion Foundation

  • [a church-state watchdog group]

  • has had remarkable success in convincing many institutions

  • such as school boards and town councils

  • that they are breaking constitutional law

  • when they sponsor sectarian activities."

  • That includes intelligent design.

  • "When the authorities can't be convinced,

  • Freedom From Religion Foundation sues,

  • and it wins more often than not."

  • (Ray Comfort) There was nothing in the beginning.

  • Big explosion of nothing that became something,

  • and then it came into a rose,

  • and giraffes and horses and cows.

  • I'm not saying that that's what happened.

  • I'm just saying I don't know what happened.

  • That's what scientists have theorized has happened.

  • (Ray Comfort) And you believe them?

  • - To a point. - So you've got faith.

  • That is true, yeah.

  • (Ray Comfort) Could you give me a definition of vestigials?

  • How does that back up evolution?

  • Vestigial is--it's like--

  • I'm not a biologist, so I'm kind of fuzzy here,

  • but it's like a remaining organ that is not used.

  • Like for instance, our appendix.

  • Rabbits have a huge appendix for digestion of grass.

  • We still have a vestigial appendix.

  • (Ray Comfort) You mean the appendix has no use?

  • Which we can think of right now.

  • Your coccyx bone that was, you know,

  • many people regard that as the tail of the humans.

  • (Ray Comfort narrating) The human tailbone is said to be vestigial.

  • That is, it's an evolutionary leftover

  • proving that we're related to primates.

  • However, it's not a tailbone, it's the coccyx vertebrae.

  • "The tailbone derived its name because some people believe

  • it's a 'leftover' part from human evolution,

  • though the notion that the tailbone

  • serves no purpose is wrong."

  • "The coccyx is an extremely important source of attachment

  • for tendons, ligaments, and muscles..."

  • Evolutionists also claim that the appendix is vestigial,

  • but it's not.

  • The appendix is actually part of the human immune system.

  • According to Scientific American,

  • "For years, the appendix was credited

  • with very little physiological function.

  • We now know, however,

  • that the appendix serves an important role in the fetus

  • and in young adults.

  • Among adult humans,

  • the appendix is now thought to be involved primarily

  • in the immune functions."

  • I would consider myself an atheist, yeah.

  • (Ray Comfort) Can you think of any famous atheists?

  • I believe Neil deGrasse Tyson.

  • (Ray Comfort) Neil deGrasse Tyson said:

  • "I can't agree to the claims

  • by atheists

  • that I'm one of that community."

  • (Ray Comfort) Can you name a few?

  • Famous atheists.

  • Apparently not.

  • Start with Isaac Newton.

  • (narrator) Isaac Newton said,

  • "The most beautiful system of the sun, planets and comets,

  • could only proceed from the counsel

  • and dominion of an intelligent and powerful Being."

  • (Ray Comfort) Can you think of any famous atheists?

  • Yeah. No.

  • - A famous atheist? - Yeah, a famous atheist.

  • Yeah, my dad.

  • (Ray Comfort) He's not famous.

  • [laughing]

  • (Ray Comfort narrating) Skeptics' websites often include examples

  • of famous atheists in an attempt to win converts.

  • But more often than not, the famous personalities cited

  • are not actually atheists.

  • This is a popular atheist poster on which are Ernest Hemingway,

  • Abraham Lincoln, Carl Sagan, Mark Twain, Thomas Jefferson,

  • Benjamin Franklin, Albert Einstein,

  • and Charles Darwin, along with the words:

  • "Atheism, good enough for these idiots."

  • Clearly, atheism is for intellectuals.

  • But one moment.

  • Abraham Lincoln wasn't an atheist.

  • He said, "I know that the Lord

  • is always on the side of the right.

  • But it's my constant anxiety and prayer that I and this nation

  • should be on the Lord's side."

  • Neither was Carl Sagan.

  • He clearly stated, "I am an agnostic."

  • Mark Twain hated religion, but he certainly wasn't an atheist,

  • saying, "None of us can be as great as God,

  • but any of us can be as good."

  • Benjamin Franklin said,

  • "God governs in the affairs of men."

  • You'll find Thomas Edison listed on Celebrity Atheists,

  • on Positive Atheism,

  • and other atheist websites, but he wasn't an atheist.

  • He said, "There is a great directing head of people

  • and things--

  • a Supreme Being who looks after the destinies

  • of the world."

  • Thomas Jefferson said, "Say nothing of my religion.

  • It is known to myself and my God alone."

  • Albert Einstein rejected the Bible as the Word of God,

  • and said that the Creator was unknowable,

  • and that God being personal was childlike.

  • He lamented, "In view of such harmony in the cosmos which I,

  • with my limited human understanding,

  • am able to recognize,

  • there are yet people who say there is no God.

  • But what really makes me angry is that they quote me

  • to support such views."

  • He categorically said, "I am not an atheist,"

  • and when referring to those who deny the Creator,

  • he used the term "fanatical atheists."

  • Charles Darwin said, "I have never been an atheist."

  • So out of the eight famous men on the poster,

  • there is only one who was an atheist: Ernest Hemingway.

  • According to his biographer, back in 1961, Hemingway, quote,

  • "pushed two shells into the twelve-gauge Boss shotgun,

  • put the end of the barrel into his mouth,

  • pulled the trigger and blew out his brains."

  • There's your poster boy when it comes to atheism.

  • Keep in mind that even though some of these men

  • claim to believe in God,

  • it doesn't necessarily mean that they're believers

  • in the one true Creator revealed in the Scriptures,

  • or that they're genuine Christians.

  • However, when atheists use theists or agnostics

  • to promote their godless agenda,

  • they're being dishonest.

  • Then again, coming from those who claim

  • that morality is relative to each person,

  • convenient dishonesty should not be a surprise.

  • (Ray Comfort) Do you believe in moral absolutes?

  • No, I do not.

  • (Ray Comfort) Is rape wrong?

  • Rape is wrong in our culture, yes.

  • (Ray Comfort) Is rape always wrong?

  • It depends on your beginnings.

  • If you say that you have a respect for other human beings,

  • then yes, rape is always wrong.

  • (Ray Comfort) So there are moral absolutes?

  • Is rape absolutely wrong?

  • In my opinion, it is.

  • (Ray Comfort) So who makes the rules?

  • We do.

  • (Ray Comfort) So if Hitler made the rules and he had the majority?

  • If Hitler made the rules, yes,

  • we would be living in a society

  • that Hitler would consider moral,

  • but which I would not consider moral.

  • (Ray Comfort) Did Hitler put into practice survival of the fittest?

  • - No. - What was he doing, then?

  • He was murdering people.

  • (Ray Comfort) But that's survival of the fittest.

  • No, that's not survival of the fittest.

  • (Ray Comfort) It is, it's the lion eating the antelope.

  • No, there's much more to evolution

  • than just this kind of crude "kill and be killed" model

  • that you have in your head.

  • (Ray Comfort) But I have seen a quote from Richard Dawkins saying,

  • "Evolution in its rawest is incredibly cruel."

  • It is, yes.

  • (Ray Comfort) That was Hitler putting evolution into practice.

  • That does not mean it was moral.

  • (Ray Comfort) It was immoral.

  • Nobody's claiming that evolution is a moral process.

  • Evolution is a very harsh and cruel process.

  • (Ray Comfort) Do you believe in evolution?

  • - Yes, I do. - Do you have a dog?

  • - Yes. - Love your dog?

  • I do love my dog.

  • Yes, I do. I love animals.

  • (Ray Comfort) Okay, well, your pet dog and your rotten neighbor

  • are drowning.

  • You can only save one of them.

  • Who would you save?

  • Hmm, that is a tough one.

  • I can only save one?

  • (Ray Comfort) Why are you hesitating?

  • I think I would save my dog.

  • I don't know why I'm really hesitating.

  • Because, I don't know,

  • I feel like people would see me as a bad person

  • if I said the dog.

  • I'll save my dog.

  • (Ray Comfort) So is your neighbor not worth saving?

  • Well, he's not worth saving more than my dog is.

  • I'd go with the dog.

  • I mean, you would want to save the animal.

  • So I would want to save my dog.

  • Well, we're animals. I believe we're all equal.

  • I don't think humans have like, a higher, like, place.

  • (Ray Comfort) So you think dogs are more valuable than human beings?

  • Do you believe in evolution?

  • Yes, I do.

  • (Ray Comfort) So it's just a matter of survival of the fittest.

  • Your neighbor's a primate, and you've got a canine,

  • and you like the canine more than you like the primate.

  • Would that be right?

  • Pretty much, yeah.

  • I mean, it's survival of the fittest, I mean--

  • - Survival of the fittest? - Yeah, pretty much.

  • (Ray Comfort) You said you believe in evolution.

  • So it's just a matter of survival of the fittest?

  • Yeah.

  • (Ray Comfort) If he drowns, he drowns, big deal.

  • Oh, well yeah, that is true.

  • - Are you an atheist? - Yeah.

  • (narrator) "Any fetus is less human than an adult pig," Richard Dawkins.

  • (Ray Comfort) So you don't think God exists?

  • More like I know.

  • (Ray Comfort) Are you comfortable talking about spiritual things?

  • I don't know much about them,

  • because they're not really capable of knowledge.

  • Once we're dead, we stop that, we stop actually living.

  • (Ray Comfort) How do you know?

  • Because it's just what the facts are.

  • Like, if you stopped breathing right now,

  • you'd be considered dead.

  • (Ray Comfort) Jacob, if you were a car and your motor got turned off,

  • that would be right, that's inanimate.

  • But you're a living, biological human being

  • with the life of God in you.

  • We are a mechanical being

  • because we have different parts that--

  • - Is there no life in you? - Yes, there's life in me.

  • (Ray Comfort) That's your soul.

  • Okay, can you handle some questions?

  • They're pretty pointed questions.

  • - Sure. - Are you a good person?

  • (Ray Comfort) Are you going to make it to heaven?

  • I would like to think so.

  • Do I think I'm a good person? Yeah.

  • (Ray Comfort) Are you a good person, morally?

  • Yes, I am.

  • (Ray Comfort) Do you think you're a good person?

  • Yes.

  • I like to believe so, yeah.

  • (Ray Comfort) How many lies have you told in your whole life?

  • I wouldn't be able to count.

  • I don't know if I could remember.

  • (Ray Comfort) Can you be honest with me?

  • Yeah.

  • (Ray Comfort) How many lies do you think you've told in your whole life?

  • Oh, quite a few.

  • - Countless. - Uncountable.

  • (Ray Comfort) What would you call me if I told lots of lies?

  • Countless lies, you'd call me a liar, wouldn't you?

  • Of course.

  • (Ray Comfort) What do you call someone who's told thousands of lies?

  • - A liar. - So what are you?

  • I'm a liar.

  • (Ray Comfort) Have you ever stolen something in your whole life,

  • even if it's small?

  • Yes, I have.

  • (Ray Comfort) Have you ever taken something that belonged to someone else?

  • - Of course. - Sure.

  • Yes, I have.

  • (Ray Comfort) That's called theft.

  • - So what are you? - A liar and a thief.

  • I'm a liar and a thief.

  • (Ray Comfort) Have you ever used God's name in vain?

  • Oh, every day.

  • (Ray Comfort) Have you ever used God's name in vain?

  • Oh, all the time.

  • (Ray Comfort) Have you ever used God's name in vain?

  • [bleep] probably so.

  • (Ray Comfort) Have you ever used God's name in vain?

  • - Yep. - I have indeed.

  • (Ray Comfort) That's called blasphemy.

  • It's very serious to use God's name as a cuss word.

  • I don't believe in blaspheming, since I don't believe in God.

  • So if you don't believe in God, how can you blaspheme?

  • (Ray Comfort) Well, if I don't believe in certain laws

  • and still violate them,

  • ignorance of the law is no excuse.

  • So we're still guilty, even though we deny a law exists

  • or we even don't know about it.

  • One to go, and I appreciate your honesty, Jacob.

  • Jesus said if you look at a woman and lust for her,

  • you commit adultery with her in your heart.

  • Have you ever looked at a woman with lust?

  • Why, yes, I look at many women with lust in my heart.

  • Of course.

  • (Ray Comfort) Have you ever looked at a guy with lust?

  • - With lust? - Lust.

  • - Oh, yeah. - Sure.

  • Not recently.

  • I have indeed.

  • (Ray Comfort) Are you having sex outside of marriage?

  • No, not yet.

  • (Ray Comfort) Are you looking at pornography?

  • Yes.

  • (Ray Comfort) You're lusting after women, you see.

  • Have you ever looked at a woman with lust?

  • Absolutely.

  • (Ray Comfort) So Peter, by your own admission, you're a lying thief,

  • a blasphemer, and an adulterer at heart,

  • and that's only four of the Ten Commandments.

  • What I'm saying to you is just not believing in hell

  • doesn't make it go away.

  • A judge must see that justice is done if he's a good judge,

  • and it's the same with God.

  • If we die in our sins, God will give us justice.

  • The Bible says no thief, no liar, no fornicator,

  • no blasphemer, no adulterer will inherit the kingdom of God.

  • So Julia, if you died in your sins and God gave you justice

  • because He's holy and perfect morally, you'd end up in hell,

  • and I'd hate that to happen to you.

  • Man, would you sell one of your eyes for $1 million?

  • - Probably not, no. - Both for $100 million?

  • No, I value seeing too much.

  • (Ray Comfort) See how precious your eyes are to you,

  • how much more precious is your life, and you're saying,

  • "I don't care if I get damned from all that which is good"?

  • Of course you care. You've got a will to live.

  • Now, let me tell you something you know intuitively.

  • You know that creation is proof of the Creator.

  • God's given you that light.

  • We don't have proof of the Creator.

  • - Yes, we do. - We don't, actually.

  • (Ray Comfort) I have in inside story.

  • I have a whistleblower

  • and it tells me that you know God exists,

  • and the reason you choose evolution

  • is because it gets rid of moral accountability.

  • It does not get rid of moral accountability.

  • (Ray Comfort) It does, it means your primal instincts,

  • lust and pornography,

  • and fornication, adultery, are all just primal instincts.

  • That's all. You're just an animal.

  • The Bible demands moral accountability

  • and says those things are wrong,

  • and that's why it's not acceptable to you.

  • That's why you're not seeking after truth.

  • Am I wrong?

  • Let's see.

  • - Am I wrong? - I think you're wrong.

  • (Ray Comfort) I say that you know intuitively that creation

  • is proof of the Creator.

  • God has given you that inner light,

  • so when you look at the genius of God's creative hand,

  • you know He exists because of creation.

  • You are a unique human being, made in the image of God

  • with a sense of justice and truth and righteousness.

  • God gave you a conscience. It's inherent.

  • It's shaped by society, but it's inherent.

  • You know right from wrong.

  • You've violated His law,

  • and I don't want you to end up in hell.

  • James, if you put your finger on it, and see if we can,

  • your struggle at the moment is because of your love of sin,

  • because of the pleasure that sin gives you,

  • and you don't want to give it up.

  • You're like a man with a money belt filled with gold

  • who's just fallen into the ocean.

  • I'm saying if you don't get rid of that belt

  • that weighs 80 pounds, it's going to take you under.

  • Doesn't matter how much pleasure it gives you,

  • it's not worth losing your life for.

  • Gail, you're not a beast.

  • You're a human being, created by God in His image

  • with dignity and worth and purpose.

  • Do you know what God did for guilty sinners

  • so we wouldn't have to go to hell? Any idea?

  • - Uh-uh. - No.

  • (Ray Comfort) Well, God became a human being 2,000 years ago,

  • Jesus of Nazareth,

  • and He suffered and died on a cross,

  • taking the punishment for the sin of the world.

  • You and I violated God's law and Jesus paid our fine.

  • That means God can legally dismiss our case

  • because of the suffering, death, and resurrection of the Savior.

  • God can say, "You're out of here"

  • because someone paid your fine.

  • And then what God can now do

  • is clothe us in the righteousness of Christ,

  • so on Judgment Day, you're safe from God's wrath

  • and His justice

  • because of the death and resurrection of the Savior.

  • If you repent and trust in Him,

  • God will give you a righteous standing in His eyes.

  • He'll wash away your sins in an instant,

  • and He'll grant you the gift of everlasting life.

  • His last words on the cross were, "It is finished."

  • In other words, the debt has been paid.

  • He came to take our punishment upon Himself.

  • So because our fine was paid by another,

  • God can legally dismiss your case.

  • It's very hard to believe that someone would be willing

  • to pay off the debt that's not His own.

  • (Ray Comfort) The Bible says God is love, you know,

  • and He's kind and generous and merciful,

  • and in His great kindness He became a human being

  • and suffered for us.

  • - Does that make sense? - That makes sense, yeah.

  • - How old are you? - I'm 22.

  • (Ray Comfort) When are you going to die?

  • I have no idea.

  • (Ray Comfort) Well, God knows exactly the moment of your death,

  • and it could be tonight, it could be tomorrow.

  • I'm not using scare tactics. This is just straight reality.

  • 150,000 people every 24 hours die,

  • and they were all making plans for next week, no doubt.

  • So please think about this.

  • Do you have a Bible at home?

  • No.

  • (Ray Comfort) I'm not talking about a religion

  • that says you've got to strive to get to heaven.

  • I'm telling you the Bible says heaven is a free gift of God.

  • You cannot earn everlasting life.

  • Doesn't matter how religious you are, how good you are.

  • "God commended His love toward us,

  • in that while we were yet sinners,

  • Christ died for us,"

  • and then He rose from the dead and defeated death.

  • This is how the Bible puts it:

  • "For by grace are you saved through faith

  • and that not of yourselves,

  • it's the gift of God, not of works,

  • lest any man boast."

  • So eternal life is a free gift of God,

  • and it comes because of God's mercy,

  • not because of anything we do. Make sense?

  • Yeah, makes sense.

  • (Ray Comfort) Do you have a Bible at home?

  • Yes.

  • (Ray Comfort) I've been reading the Bible

  • every day for more than 40 years.

  • There's no mistakes in it, Mike.

  • Any mistakes that we think are in it are our mistakes,

  • and you can trust God's Word.

  • I mean, think of how you trust professors and science books

  • that tell you you're a primate?

  • You trust and believe that.

  • So how much more should you trust a God who cannot lie?

  • Let me show you how fallible we are.

  • Spell the word "shop."

  • - Shop? - Shop.

  • S-H-O-P.

  • (Ray Comfort) What do you do when you come to a green light?

  • - Stop. - Green light.

  • Oh.

  • (Ray Comfort) See, we're all fallible. We make mistakes.

  • So imagine if you're making a mistake

  • when you say this whole of creation came together

  • because some explosion of nothing

  • that produced everything: seasons, the birds,

  • the trees, the flowers, the sun, the moon, the stars,

  • and the marvels of the human body?

  • Are you going to think about this?

  • Oh, yeah, no, I think about this quite a lot, believe me.

  • My brother, like I said, he's a hardcore Christian.

  • He's going to Yale Divinity School right now,

  • so he talks to me about this all the time.

  • (Ray Comfort) So you've got to think seriously about this.

  • Life is full of decisions.

  • Soften your heart.

  • Don't have so much blind faith in what science tells you

  • and it's left you without any knowledge

  • of what was in the beginning anyway.

  • You haven't got a clue where you come from,

  • you don't know what you're doing here on earth,

  • and you don't know what happens after you die.

  • Peter, could you be wrong about God's existence?

  • Yes. And could you be wrong about God's existence?

  • (Ray Comfort) No.

  • Well then, I think you're rather closed-minded.

  • (Ray Comfort) Well, if I said to you,

  • "Could you be wrong about your wife's existence?"

  • you'd say "No, I know her."

  • You'd say, "Don't be ridiculous.

  • I know her and love her,"

  • and I know the Lord and I love the Lord,

  • and He transformed my life 41 years ago,

  • instantly, overnight.

  • Forgave my sins and gave me new desires

  • when I had no desires or thoughts of God

  • for the whole 22 years before I was a Christian.

  • Mike, thanks for talking to me, I appreciate it.

  • Yeah, of course, no problem. Thank you.

  • (Ray Comfort) One more thing, because you're a very intelligent man.

  • Spell the word "shop."

  • Shop?

  • Like, S-H-O-P?

  • S-H-O-P.

  • (Ray Comfort) What do you do when you come to a green light?

  • - You stop. - Green light.

  • - Hmm? - Green light.

  • Oh, ha-ha, very good.

  • (Ray Comfort) Peter, you've been a good sport.

  • Thank you very much for talking to me.

  • I generally don't engage creationists,

  • because it's not good for my blood pressure.

  • (Ray Comfort) So are you going to think about this?

  • Uh-huh.

  • I think about it a lot, actually.

  • I think about death and how fragile life is,

  • and how just in a second it could all be over

  • and there'd be nothing.

  • (Gail E. Kennedy, PhD) You know, the problem with those

  • who are unable to see evolution, I think,

  • is they don't have imaginations.

  • (narrator) "Anatomical clues to human evolution from fish."

  • Human beings are still fish.

  • (narrator) "Human ears evolved from ancient fish gills."

  • We came out of the ground as a mammal.

  • (narrator) "Heavier dinosaur arms led evolution to birds."

  • (Ray Comfort) Do you think we're related to pigs?

  • Do you think we've got a common ancestor in pigs?

  • Yes.

  • (narrator) "Proof that fearsome T-Rex evolved into a chicken."

  • (Ray Comfort) Do you think you're a primate?

  • - Yes, I am. - Are you a talking primate? - I am.

  • (Ray Comfort) Are you a cousin of bananas?

  • Why, yes.

  • (narrator) "When whales walked the land."

  • (student) I'm accepting that they did their science correctly.

  • I generally trust the scientific community.

  • I'm going to trust what those experts did,

  • those experts came up with.

  • Darwinian evolution rests on faith,

  • and once again, according to Richard Dawkins,

  • "Faith is the great cop-out,

  • the great excuse to evade the need

  • to think and evaluate evidence."

  • Darwinian evolution requires great faith.

  • The knowledge of God, however, is clearly seen by all mankind.

  • "For since the creation of the world

  • His invisible attributes are clearly seen,

  • being understood by the things that are made,

  • even His eternal power and Godhead,

  • so that they are without excuse,

  • because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God,

  • nor were thankful,

  • but became futile in their thoughts,

  • and their foolish hearts were darkened.

  • Professing to be wise, they became fools."

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  • "Evolution vs. God."

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  • Ray Comfort has written a number of books

  • on atheism and evolution to help further your study

  • on this incredibly important subject.

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  • our online School of Biblical Evangelism;

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  • and the Duggar family.

  • We're extremely humbled

  • to see how God has used our previous productions

  • to impact people around the globe

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