Name: C75 vs. SMG-12: who wins? - Rainbow Six | Siege
Uploaded: 2018-01-09T14:52:50.000Z
Duration: 10 min 59 s
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What's up guys, Rogue-9 here and for the
first time ever, we now have access to a CTU

that has a choice of two different 
secondary machine pistols.

So the questions that arise are: 
Which one should you pick?

What are their relative strengths and weaknesses?

Will the in-game damage stats be correct 
(spoiler alert: they aren't)?

And just for comparison's sake, how do they
stack up against the existing machine pistols?

Answers to all of those questions 
and more, coming right up!

As so often, timestamps to different parts
of the video in the comments section below

for all of you who are just looking for specific info!

And before we get into the nitty gritty comparisons,
let me first answer the most common question

I have received about the SMG-12 
and that is: “Is it suppressed?”

And yes, I can confirm that the SMG-12 is
in fact integrally suppressed; it does not

give your opponent an incoming fire warning
indicator, it is a lot quieter than unsuppressed

guns and all this also explains why you cannot
use any muzzle attachments with this gun and

Now, to get an initial understanding of how
these guns compare to each other,

we can first compare their baseline stats.

The C75 Auto is the most powerful with a medium
capacity and the slowest fire rate.

The BEARING-9 is a bit “middle of the road”;
with slightly lower damage, medium capacity

and slightly higher fire rate than the C75.

The SMG-11 and 12 both have the highest fire
rate with the 11 sporting decent power but

low capacity and the 12 having the lowest
baseline damage but also the highest capacity.

Mobility for all four guns is 50… whatever
that means.

Reload times are not listed and wouldn't
it be great if they were (hint hint, nudge nudge Ubi).

But until then, this is where my first tests
come into play and the SMG-12 clocked in the

slowest with a reload time from empty of 3s
and a tactical reload time of 2s.

After that we have the C75 Auto with 2.9s
& 2s and top of the list here with 2.7 & 1.9s

So there's a good start but the in-game
damage stats are not the most useful if we

truly want to compare the guns; no what we
need is an analysis of a comprehensive damage

One of the top advantages that machine pistol
sidearms have over semi-auto pistols is that

they carry their baseline power over a longer distance.

Damage drop-off starts at 18m 
and bottoms out at 28m.

For the unsuppressed weapons, I managed to
confirm the baseline stats and interestingly,

the curves for the two existing 
MPs are exactly the same.

The C75 does 2 points of extra damage 
up close and 1 point extra at distance.

The SMG-12's damage curve is a good chunk
lower overall but that is only because it is suppressed.

Once we suppress its competitors as well,
they all end up with the exact same damage

drop-off curves (and yes, that means that the in-game suppressed damage stats are not quite accurate).

Here's the same information again as a table
(for those of you who are into that kind of stuff)

and something to note here is how powerful
the machine pistols are not just up close

Think back to my comparison of the MP5 variants
in the game and you will remember that the

damage stats ranged from 16-30 points per
shot, for these guns it's 19-35 which shows

us that all in all, these secondary weapons
are highly competitive in terms of their damage

output, especially when you consider their
outstanding fire rates.

Since all of these stats amount to only three
different damage curves, we end up with three

The unsuppressed C75 at the top, then the Bearing and SMG-11 and finally all four weapons suppressed.

But this information alone is still not quite
enough to allow us to evaluate their damage output.

Damage per second is far more telling here
and these stats show that the SMG-12 and C75 Auto

are essentially on par, with the C75 a
little more powerful up close and the SMG-12

winning out at distance (but only as long
as the C75 is unsuppressed; once you suppress it,

it becomes the weakest choice at any range!).

If we compare the time to kill stats against
various levels of armour, we can observe that

on average the unsuppressed C75 consistently
beats the SMG-12 by around 20-30ms but add

a suppressor into the mix and the tables are reversed.

All of these times of course are when firing on full 
auto and landing body shots with a 100% hit rate.

My preliminary conclusion here is that even
though the C75 has the highest damage per

shot and a decent capacity, the low fire rate
negates any advantage this could have given

the gun over the other machine pistols and
definitely makes it the least favourable choice

If you're going to choose the C75, you should
definitely run it unsuppressed to get the

most out of its elevated base damage; if you
want a silent weapon, you are 100% better

But damage output is only half the story,
you also need to be able to hit what you're

aiming at so let's now go over the controllability
of each of these guns and one of the most

important factors here is what 
attachments you can use.

I have covered the exact mechanics by which
the grips and muzzle attachments affect recoil

in separate videos in the past, so I won't
go into too much detail about their functionality here.

Links to those other videos at 
the end if you're interested.

As an integrally suppressed weapon, the SMG-12
gets no muzzle adapters but apart from that,

it has access to all attachments 
except for the ACOG sight.

In stark contrast to this, the C75 gets no
attachments at all except for the suppressor

which we have already learnt is 
100% pointless for this gun.

It doesn't even have access to the laser sight!

Out of all weapons in the game, there are
only four that cannot attach the laser sight

The two previously existing machine pistols
get a good selection of attachments and in

terms of recoil control, the most important
ones here are the vertical grip and the compensator.

“The C75 and the BEARING-9 already have
fixed vertical grips attached so they will

surely have an innate recoil advantage, no?”

Well, if you compare the baseline recoil patterns
of these four weapons, it quickly becomes

clear that sadly no, neither of these guns
gets any advantage and in fact, the recoil

patterns for all four guns are all exactly the same.

So it all boils down to the attachments and
if we compare the best possible recoil patterns

we can achieve with each gun, we can see that
the C75 has no change (because no attachments),

the Bearing improves a little with the compensator,
the vertical grip on the SMG-12 adds even

more benefit and last and overall best, is the SMG-11 with both the vertical grip and compensator attached.

And before we move on, one final note to make
in relation to controllability is that all

of these guns, with the exception of the SMG-11,
have the option of switching to a single fire

mode, for when you really want to pick your shots.

Last but not least, before I draw my final
conclusions, I think it's worth quickly

exploring how effective the integral suppressor
on the SMG-12 is since in the past, especially

with the MP5SD and the Six12 SD, we have seen
that the pre-attached suppressors in Rainbow

Six Siege are not always as efficient or effective
as their detachable counterparts.