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  • - Good morning.

  • - [Audience] Good morning.

  • - So, I'll give a little spiel, but honestly,

  • I think given the size of the audience,

  • and given the vibe here, I think we should go into Q&A.

  • I think that's where the more interesting

  • value comes out of.

  • But, to create a little framework.

  • I am an immigrant.

  • I was born in Belarus in the former Soviet Union.

  • I came here when I was three.

  • I lived in Queens, in Rego Park for two years,

  • in a studio apartment with five, six,

  • seven, eight family members.

  • So, I can relate to that grind and that hustle.

  • I literally didn't even know my dad

  • for the first 14 years of my life,

  • because he would leave before I would wake up

  • and get home after I fell asleep.

  • First as a stock boy in a liquor store

  • making two bucks an hour,

  • and then eventually a manager.

  • And immigrants, and I'm sure some of you know this,

  • immigrants have really figured out the secret

  • of American Business.

  • Which is don't spend any money

  • on dumb shit for 10 years,

  • save it all, and then buy something, right?

  • And so, that's what my dad did.

  • And he bought a small liquor store

  • in Springfield, New Jersey.

  • I grew up in Edison, New Jersey.

  • You know, lemonade stands, shoveling snow, baseball cards.

  • You know, it's so crazy for me that I get to live

  • through the era where an entrepreneur is cool.

  • The fact that I take 10 selfies a day blows my fuckin' mind.

  • The fact that hip hop artists that I love DM me.

  • It's just so crazy.

  • And it's happened, right?

  • It's happened for sports.

  • I think a lot of people forget.

  • In the 1950s, baseball players and football players

  • had jobs during the summer at hardware stores.

  • Everything gets it's day,

  • and I think there's nothing more Americana

  • than the entrepreneur, than the business person

  • and so, I'm just fortunate.

  • You know, when I was your age, I was a loser

  • by a lot of people's POV,

  • because I was a terrible student.

  • And the narrative 25 years ago was that entrepreneurship

  • was not a feasible way out.

  • That the only way out was Yale and Harvard and Cornell.

  • School was the only benchmark that created opportunity

  • and so for me,

  • I'm excited about this entrepreneurial thing,

  • but at the same token, to be very frank,

  • one of the things that I want to try to dissect

  • in our Q&A now is,

  • I also think it's gone a little bit too far

  • in the other direction.

  • I think everybody thinks they're going

  • to be a winning entrepreneur.

  • You know, it's funny.

  • Everybody says they're an entrepreneur.

  • That's like me saying I'm a basketball player.

  • That's cool.

  • It's fun that I get to run at the YMCA a couple of times.

  • But, I don't get paid.

  • Right, I'm not an NBA All-Star.

  • And what I think is happening right now is

  • people are putting the word entrepreneur

  • in their Instagram profile and they think it's a wrap.

  • They think they're going to make it and this and that.

  • And it's extremely hard.

  • It's extremely lonely.

  • Listen, if you want this, you need to understand

  • that there's a lot of stuff

  • that people are not talking about.

  • Nobody in my tech startup world is talking

  • about the suicides that are happening when kids fail.

  • Maple, the food service

  • that was supposed to be so big, folded yesterday.

  • This is happening every day. Right?

  • And everybody thinks it's so easy,

  • and the reason they think it's so easy

  • is I grew up, when I was your age,

  • you couldn't roll up on people and say

  • here's my idea and they'd give you a million dollars

  • on a $4 million valuation.

  • That was insane, that's not how it was.

  • And I think the other thing I'm fearful of,

  • especially when I look around the room,

  • there's a couple of us, but for the majority of you,

  • we've had a good economy now for the last

  • seven or eight years.

  • And for a lot of you, seven or eight years ago,

  • you were a real youngster.

  • So you haven't lived through when the world melts.

  • I lived through the collapse of .com, 2000.

  • And then right behind it 9/11.

  • And then 2007, and eight.

  • And I've navigated my businesses through that.

  • That's hard.

  • Everybody's a peacetime general,

  • but who's a wartime general?

  • Everybody's really great, everybody's a hero

  • when you can print a logo on a t-shirt

  • and say I've got a fashion brand. Right?

  • But what about actually building something sustainable

  • that you can eat on and things of that nature?

  • So, for me, I'm not trying to discourage,

  • I'm just trying to paint a very real picture.

  • This is a long game.

  • Like, from 22 to 30, I did nothing.

  • I worked 15 hours a day, Monday through Saturday.

  • You know, it's funny.

  • I was talking at a talk the other day,

  • it was a Friday.

  • I go, "Tomorrow, more of you are going to

  • "have more Saturdays off in your 20s than I did

  • "in my entire 20s, tomorrow."

  • Because Saturday is the biggest day of retail

  • and that's when we sold the most wine,

  • so I was just there every single Saturday

  • of every 20 to 30 years old, 10 years.

  • Every fuckin' Saturday.

  • And so when people,

  • all the cliche shit that we all talk,

  • "I'm grindin'," "I'm hustlin',"

  • you know, like "I'm doin' this."

  • I laugh because I look at people's Insta

  • and they're fucking at Coachella.

  • (audience laughter)

  • So I think there's a mix.

  • There's a mix because entrepreneurship

  • has also gotten cool.

  • I said something at a talk that really resonates with me.

  • And she's like, "Oh fuck, club promoters

  • "have taken over entrepreneurship." Right?

  • We're putting it on this pedestal.

  • And now, with the way that Instagram dominates our world,

  • and the visuals of watches and private jets,

  • and girls and guys,

  • and boats and champagne,

  • I'm just like, "Fuck."

  • 99% of people are gonna lose.

  • And what I'm scared of,

  • is if people actually knew what to do, which is eat shit,

  • like work real hard, be real patient.

  • You know what I would wish on you more than anything?

  • More than anything.

  • And I'm looking around the room.

  • Our wonderful cops back there, a couple people here.

  • There's seven or eight of us that know this,

  • the rest of you don't,

  • which is if you knew that at 40,

  • you felt the same way inside as you do at 20,

  • it would fuck with your head.

  • If you actually knew how on fire

  • like, I think we're friends.

  • Like, I think we're the same age.

  • It's crazy.

  • When I was 22, my cousin was in the business.

  • He was 30, he was eight years older than me.

  • I thought he was old as fuck.

  • (audience laughter)

  • I remember, that's not super long ago.

  • I was 22, he was 30.

  • He was old as shit.

  • So when I sit here and I'm 41,

  • I'm like, "Fuck, these kids think I'm real fucking old."

  • (audience laughter)

  • And I feel fucking as young as you.

  • And if you knew that, if you knew that,

  • you would get way more patient.

  • If you knew that, you would get way more patient.

  • I promise you, the number one thing

  • that I'm trying to leave here with

  • is to get a couple of you to get real fucking patient

  • 'cause that is the singular advantage.

  • If you actually don't give a fuck,

  • the way I didn't, of what people think about you,

  • all through your 20s, like you just don't care,

  • like you literally don't,

  • and you just build something for yourself,

  • you have a much better chance.

  • So many people here will fail

  • in their entrepreneurial journeys

  • because they're worried about what people think.

  • That's just what it is, my man.

  • That's just what it is.

  • People are worried about what other people think,

  • how many followers they have,

  • how good the business is doing,

  • what they're doing, where they're going,

  • what they're wearing.

  • It doesn't fucking matter.

  • It especially doesn't matter

  • if you pour all that energy into building something

  • and then at 33 you're winning, and they're resetting.

  • (audience cheers and applause)

  • And if you really knew how young you would be at 33,

  • it would really change everything.

  • Like, that's the thing.

  • I'm trying to really put the words together

  • 'cause I'm going back to that time.

  • It's just hard. Right?

  • It's hard when you're that young.

  • It's hard to realize you'll feel that young.

  • I just don't know how to say it.

  • I really don't know how to say it.

  • I don't, but I want to say it with conviction,

  • so that a couple of you believe me.

  • But you have to build an actual business that makes money.

  • If you're going into the tech business,

  • if you want to build an app, it's hard.

  • For every single Snapchat and Instagram,

  • there's eight million Insta-shits. You know?

  • Everybody fails.

  • And we get seduced by the two or three people that don't.

  • It's really funny.

  • I went to Mount Ida College.

  • It was 94% African-American, Latino,

  • real minority college.

  • And every single person wanted to be a rapper.

  • It was 1994.

  • Everybody was gonna and I remember thinking,

  • "Wow, this is some delusional shit."

  • How are you gonna be a rapper if you're not writing?

  • How are you gonna be a rapper if you're not in the studio?

  • How are you gonna be a rapper if you're not hustling?

  • And it's funny, like, the white boy version

  • of that now is tech.

  • Everybody thinks they're gonna build Snapchat and Instagram.

  • And I'm like, how are you gonna do that

  • when you're at Coachella?

  • How are you gonna do that if you're out every night?

  • How are you gonna do that

  • when you're raising money and you're,

  • it's funny, raising money has been so detrimental

  • to the startup community.

  • It doesn't take a hero to lose $30,000 a month.

  • Everybody in here can do that.

  • And so, a couple things I want to get across,

  • and I wanna really go into Q&A,

  • and get real detailed 'cause I'm here.

  • I'm not coming back.

  • (audience laughter)

  • So let's take advantage of it, you know what I mean?

  • So the couple things that I think

  • you need to really wrap your head around is "it's for life."

  • 99% of the kids that walk into my office or I come across,

  • they're trying to flip their shit.

  • Which means they're doing it for the money.

  • And when you're doing it just for the money,

  • you've got way less chance to actually make the money.

  • So if you build a business,

  • if you're in the mentality,

  • if you're in the mindset of building it for life,

  • you get slower.

  • You get more true.

  • You build much better foundation.

  • Basically if you're thinking about building a house,

  • everybody's worried about decorating the fucking room

  • and what lighting are you gonna have,

  • or what color is your wallpaper.

  • And meanwhile, the cement you built the house on is shit

  • and it's not gonna matter

  • 'cause the first time it's gonna rain

  • your shit's gonna fall.

  • Right?

  • And so that's, everybody's just jumpin',

  • everybody's so impatient.

  • You want to and listen, I get it.

  • look around this room and I associate.

  • I don't look exactly like everybody

  • but I can come from that same kind of place

  • with a lot of people. Right?

  • When you have that chip on your shoulder,

  • the hardest thing to do is patience.

  • Right?

  • And there's so many narratives,

  • whether you came from nothing,

  • whether your parents,

  • whether your sibling is going to Yale.

  • There's a million different chips

  • and we've all got them

  • and the hardest thing to do

  • when you've got a chip on your shoulder, is to wait.

  • 'Cause you can't wait to be like,

  • "Fucking told you."

  • Right?

  • Everybody's living for that.

  • I love that.

  • I live for that.

  • But the best way to do that

  • is to actually pull it off

  • and the best way to pull it off

  • is to put it into a 10-year window, a 20-year window,

  • and everybody's in a 10-month window.

  • Everybody rolls up to me and is like

  • "I'm gonna be a millionaire by 27."

  • I'm like, "What the fuck does that mean?"

  • (audience laughter)

  • I'm like, "Cool, mazel tov."

  • (audience laughing)

  • It's the wrong mentality

  • and the youth right now

  • because of the pedestal of entrepreneurship

  • and the PR nature.

  • You guys know this.

  • Your fucking Instagram and Snapchat

  • is basically you PR-ing yourself to the world.

  • You're getting that perfect lighting,

  • you're waiting for that perfect,

  • you guys are even doing shit

  • just for the fucking selfie.

  • You're like, "I really don't wanna go out.

  • "But fuck it, I'll go there and get my--"

  • (audience laughter)

  • People are actually doing stuff now

  • just for the selfie itself.

  • So we're painting this image

  • and underneath in the reality

  • everybody's gonna lose, everybody's gonna lose.

  • And so how do you build your brand?

  • How do you build your app?

  • That takes a lot of work, like real,

  • you've gotta love the work.

  • The thing that really I got lucky with and that's DNA.

  • When I was four and

  • I didn't read a business book

  • or go to a GaryVee talk

  • to get motivated at six years old

  • to think it was fun instead of playing

  • to stand behind a table and sell lemonade

  • every single fucking day.

  • That's just DNA.

  • And so I don't sit here easily and be like do this

  • 'cause it's not easy.

  • You've got your DNA.

  • You've got the things that come natural to you.

  • But I will tell you why I'm successful,

  • 'cause I like the grind,

  • 'cause I feed off the journey,

  • 'cause I love the process,

  • 'cause I like the pain.

  • I like the phone call that I had to have this morning

  • about a tough situation.

  • Shit's pressure.

  • You build a business, you're just managing people.

  • It's a lot of stress.

  • And so, but I love that

  • and you gotta decide if you love that.

  • If you're the person in your family

  • that loves to have everybody's fuckin' problems on you

  • and you try to navigate it?

  • Now I'm hearing something that makes me think,

  • okay you might be able to build a business.

  • But if you're not

  • then you may really wanna be the number three

  • or the number six.

  • You may wanna catch that tiger by the tail

  • of somebody that you see can eat shit 24/7/365,

  • and what you're good at is

  • you're really fucking organized,

  • you're really fucking creative,

  • you're a really great salesperson.

  • A lot of people getting confused

  • with being a good salesman and woman

  • with being a good entrepreneur.

  • They're very different things.

  • You've gotta figure yourself out.

  • The key is self-awareness.

  • The key is self-awareness.

  • I suck at most things, really.

  • I just suck shit at most things

  • but I know what I'm good at and I go all-in.

  • And all the people we admire that's what they do too.

  • They're not good at everything,

  • they're good at something

  • and then they just go deep. Right?

  • And so I would highly recommend

  • the other thing that I'd love for you

  • to leave here with besides patience,

  • is start being honest with yourself.

  • I know what you wanna be,

  • I wanna be six foot five,

  • the quarterback of the Jets,

  • bang supermodels and have a trillion dollars.

  • (audience laughter)

  • I get it, I understand people want to do things.

  • I get it.

  • I understand you want an island and trillion dollar

  • or raise a family or start a cooking,

  • I understand what you want

  • but it's much better to understand what you are

  • and build around that.

  • And triple down on those skills.

  • For example, for me I really like people

  • and so I'm a very HR-driven CEO.

  • You emailed and said, "Hey, I'm super pumped

  • "you're gonna be speaking in my school."

  • I'm like, "Come with me."

  • - [Woman] Yep.

  • - That's good, that's gonna build our relationship.

  • How long have you been at Vayner?

  • - [Woman] Since, well, I was an intern.

  • - I know that.

  • - [Woman] Hired in January.

  • - Right, so we're now five, six months

  • and we can go two years without interacting

  • if the serendipity,

  • if she doesn't take me up on my open-door policy

  • but when she emails she's like,

  • "That's really cool that you're gonna be there."

  • I'm like "Come with me."

  • Not because of anything else

  • but I wanna build a relationship with my employees.

  • So I know that I'm good at that.

  • So that's why we're HR-driven.

  • That's why the Chief Heart Officer

  • is the most important person

  • not the CFO, not the COO, her and me.

  • That's just, that's not what a lot of people think

  • on the outside,

  • especially if they watch my videos where I'm competitive

  • or when I'm on stage like this,

  • when I'm my most crass and aggressive

  • but that is who I am

  • and that's what I triple down on.

  • Right, and so you need to figure

  • that out about yourself.

  • One thing, I'll leave with this and then

  • I really really wanna do Q&A.

  • Number 18 at Instagram made a lot more money

  • than number one of a billion different companies.

  • Number 6 at Google, number 42 at Facebook,

  • number 113 at Bain & McKinsey,

  • they made a lot more money than

  • number one of a billion other things.

  • So please, please make sure,

  • and I know the entrepreneur club's here

  • and I'm not trying to suppress it,

  • I'm trying to get people to get self aware

  • because that's where all the upside is.

  • And you could be a co-founder or a number three

  • and really really win, you gotta put yourself in that lane.

  • Those are some shits on my mind,

  • thanks for having me.

  • (audience applause)

  • - [Abraham] So,-- - What's your name?

  • - [Abraham] Abraham. - Abraham.

  • - [Abraham] One, thanks for coming,

  • but there's a big problem with entrepreneurs,--

  • - Your voice is amazing.

  • (noise in the room drowns out speaker)

  • - So what's going on is that that's great

  • but a lot of entrepreneurs,

  • sometimes they fall into a trap

  • that they throw money down a well

  • until they've whittled themselves

  • into a hole and they can't dig themselves out.

  • - And are you talking about debt?

  • I'm asking, credit card debt?

  • - Everything. Because what happens is,

  • like you said, these guys can lose $30,000 a day--

  • - That's different though.

  • When you're lucky enough to be able to raise capital,

  • that's lower risk losing money, right?

  • To me, you may lose your reputation which is the worst,

  • you may lose an opportunity which is terrible

  • but it's much more fun to lose $30,000 a month

  • of somebody else's money

  • than take $58,000 in credit card debt

  • 'cause you got a dream and then it's compounding interest

  • at 18%, you're fucked forever.

  • So I'm just trying to get clarity.

  • - [Abraham] No, I understand, but generally,

  • when do you tell that young entrepreneur

  • that keeps trying to chase that Instagram dream

  • when they should,-- - Stop?

  • - [Abraham] Stop because if they're chasing

  • after the wrong dream,

  • and they'll have been in it for ten years,

  • all they've done is dug themselves in this crazy hole.

  • - So, two things, and this is why I'm trying to get clarity.

  • If somebody's taking on personal debt

  • and they've been adding, first of all they won't be able

  • to get away with ten years of that,

  • but to me I'm always very fearful of somebody

  • taking out credit card loans to start their business.

  • It scares the shit out of me,

  • because it ends up bad almost all the time.

  • If it's somebody who's good enough

  • at raising capital forever and losing other people's money,

  • and reputation hasn't caught up with them,

  • that's a little less scary but it also seems

  • like a waste of time.

  • If you're good enough to raise capital

  • for a decade and keep losing people's money,

  • you're probably good at some shit.

  • And instead of keep doing that

  • why don't you go become a professional money raiser

  • and take a commission on what you raised

  • for other people.

  • It just seems like you'd be smarter about that skill.

  • Listen, I hate telling people to stop

  • because you just never know.

  • The only time I ever tell people to stop,

  • I'll never say it here,

  • I'll give you guys what I just gave you.

  • I'll only tell people to stop when I know them,

  • if we were homies like, "Yo bro,

  • "Abe I love you but come work with me man,

  • "this is not happening."

  • You know, I think it's a very difficult conversation,

  • I also think the market will tell them.

  • What I think again, and I brought it up earlier,

  • is that it's been good for the last eight years.

  • Right, you know?

  • You're an Instagram influencer,

  • when things are good, detox teas

  • are paying you 3,000 bucks to take a photo,

  • when things are bad nothing's there.

  • And you go from being an influencer

  • to working at Chase Bank.

  • - [Abraham] Thank you. - You got it.

  • My man. - [Ian] My name is Ian.

  • - Ian. - I have a quick question.

  • - [Ian] I read your book, Crush It!

  • - Thank you.

  • - [Ian] What you said about patience really has resonated

  • with me 'cause I think it's so true.

  • But a lot of us are in the midst,

  • I can't speak for everyone.

  • For me, people I hang out with, my freinds.

  • We're in the midst of finding our passions

  • and the process of finding that

  • can be very--

  • - [Gary] Daunting.

  • - Exactly.

  • - [Gary] Yeah.

  • - [Ian] What do you suggest one does

  • to keeping an open mind and--

  • - I got one, I got an answer for you.

  • 'Cause this has been asked from me for the last ten years

  • since Crush It! came out.

  • But I don't have the right answer,

  • but I have one answer that has resonated the most which is,

  • I think a lot of people trying to find their passion,

  • and like okay cool if I love it

  • then that gives me a better chance to build a business.

  • I would say the one thing is I would take a step back

  • and reframe it.

  • Instead of looking for it let it come to you

  • is how I think about it.

  • So what I would do is

  • when you're not looking for your passion

  • and you and your crew are talking

  • about what you're gonna do and how you're gonna do it,

  • what do you do?

  • Right, to me it's like what are you doing

  • when you're not trying to build a business?

  • Whether that's music or sports

  • or shopping or fishing or coding,

  • what are you doing when you could be doing anything?

  • That's why eSports fucks with me

  • 'cause I'm 41 right, which means I grew up with all the kids

  • that were like the early video,

  • we were the early video game crew.

  • Like Nintendo fucked with our heads, you know,

  • we're like, Oh my God!

  • You know and we were playing

  • and everybody was told not to play, right?

  • I think about all those kids

  • that were like the best Madden players

  • in the first year or two, best players in, you know,

  • Doom and all that shit, and like

  • they were talked into being lawyers

  • yet they could be making $4 million a year now

  • as eSports stars and if they would have just

  • followed their passion, which is,

  • and you know, 15 years ago if you're like "video games",

  • everybody would have laughed you out of this room.

  • Like what are you doing video games for?

  • Like that's a waste of time!

  • Right? Right? That's a waste of time.

  • And now you've got people making $5, $10, $15, $100 million

  • a year being video game players.

  • I would ask, first of all, you got a lot of time

  • back to patience, I'm glad you brought that up,

  • and two, just audit what you're doing

  • when you're not thinking about business.

  • Those are always the hard businesses, the sports business,

  • the music business,

  • the fashion business, those are hard.

  • Everybody likes them, that's why their big businesses,

  • but you should at least start there.

  • You're better off failing in that and then resetting as,

  • now you're 27, you went for it in sports,

  • you picked up other passions along the way,

  • you're like, "Oh, I found out all about food"

  • or "I like jazz now" or, you know,

  • it's fucking crazy how life long, how long life is, my man.

  • Yep. You got it.

  • - [Blake] Hey Gary. - Hey man.

  • - [Blake] My name is Blake.

  • So I just had a question on your, do you always,

  • you're always talking about owning the Jets one day.

  • - [Gary] Yes!

  • (audience laughter)

  • - How often do you sit down and really focus on a bigger,

  • just expanding your vision?

  • Like what is your process for really sitting down

  • and really getting to think bigger,

  • get yourself to like be so, dream so--

  • - How do I like manifest?

  • - [Blake] How like-- - What's the mindset?

  • - [Blake] Yeah, what's your mindset behind that?

  • - And how do I like process?

  • - [Blake] Yeah.

  • You know, why do you do that?

  • Why do you dream big, like why, what's the purpose of it,

  • because some people dream big, but--

  • - Yeah, that's a good question.

  • - [Blake] Why aren't you the like, what's the--

  • - So let him hold on to the mic for a second, just in case.

  • So first of all, I hate that my dream

  • is to buy the New York Jets.

  • I'll tell you why, because,

  • for a lot of reasons (chuckles)

  • they're fucking pissing me off.

  • (audience laughter)

  • Because it's a vain one. It's not super noble.

  • It's not like the kind of thing I can like,

  • it's not like I wanna like, you know,

  • when I work on Pencils of Promise

  • or I'm going to Ghana in a couple weeks,

  • those are things I feel proud of,

  • when I'm with Charity: Water

  • and we're trying to literally cure clean water

  • around the world, that's where you can feel like a good man.

  • Buying the Jets seems like fucking one worse version

  • of the fucking shit that's going on on Instagram, you know,

  • But, it's my truth, you know.

  • What people don't know, 'cause they shouldn't spend

  • this much time knowing my shit is

  • I learned how to speak English by watching the Jets.

  • I used to get made fun of and picked on

  • 'cause I couldn't speak English,

  • but the first time I went outside

  • and the kids were throwing a Jets football around,

  • they made me feel welcomed and that's the first time

  • I felt like an American kid.

  • It got deep in me, you know, it's my truth.

  • Somewhere around fourth grade, as I started to play,

  • I'll never forget it, Joaquil Shaw ran me over like a truck

  • and that's when I was like, "Yeah, I'm more likely

  • "to own the Jets than play for them."

  • (audience laughter)

  • Somewhere around fourth grade I was like,

  • "Yeah, that's how I'm gonna do it."

  • And then I never let go of it.

  • And then, to be very honest with you,

  • I don't think about

  • a lot of things other than the process.

  • Everbody's always making these manifesto boards

  • and fucking writing down what they're gonna do,

  • I'm just like, I've got that one thing,

  • I'm gonna buy the Jets, cool,

  • what's really great about shooting big

  • is that if you fall short, it's still big. You know?

  • So that's why I get pissed when somebody rolls in,

  • like, "When I'm 32, I'm gonna be a millionaire".

  • I'm like, "Cool".

  • Like, go bigger if you're 22, you've got time to go bigger.

  • You can settle on that, and if you're doing that,

  • then you become short-term, then you're about the money.

  • When you wanna buy something for $4 billion,

  • you can't even worry about the money in your 20s, 30s, & 40s

  • right, 'cause it's so big, like that money's bad, actually,

  • 'cause if you get the money and spend it on dumb shit,

  • you're not getting there, so I'm punting.

  • My lifestyle is pretty humble in the scheme of things

  • 'cause I don't want to waste the money of private jets.

  • I need it for the New York Jets.

  • (audience laughter)

  • My process is to not think about it.

  • I've said it, it's been there forever

  • and then I just make it about the work.

  • - [Blake] So you say it one time, you just keep on,

  • it's just in the back of your mind, not--

  • - I do make decisions based on it, right.

  • I sold 30% of VaynerMedia to Steven Ross,

  • the owner of the Dolphins, because he, specifically,

  • was an NFL owner, there's only 32 of them,

  • I want to get on the inside.

  • I go to the Super Bowl, I hang out with the other owners.

  • Even if I make the money, those fuckers have to vote me in,

  • like, you know, that's an inside club.

  • I'm chipping away at that.

  • I do do make some decisions on that,

  • lots of decisions on that,

  • but to be very honest with you, it's a good time to say it,

  • I don't really wanna buy the Jets,

  • I just wanna try to buy the Jets.

  • (audience applause)

  • - [Navindra] Thanks for being here.

  • - Sure. - [Navindra] I'm Navindra.

  • So I work with my buddy Ollio and we make

  • lights for skateboards for night time safety.

  • - Awesome.

  • - [Navindra] And part of what we did when marketing

  • was collaborating with like brand ambassadors

  • and stuff like that and I noticed

  • that it didn't really focus on getting

  • us a purchase from people it really

  • just focused on getting their followers

  • on to our kind of platform.

  • - Yep.

  • - [Navindra] But I wondered how long do you think

  • typically decision making it does

  • for like buying something.

  • - Listen if you're able to siphon fans

  • from other people with those endorsement deals

  • and get them on to your platform that's a win.

  • It's up to you now to actually get them to actually buy.

  • Getting people to the place is super important.

  • Closing's a whole different skill.

  • So now a is your product good enough?

  • Like listen I'm a big time marketer

  • but I always tell people I'm like

  • if your product is shit there's nothing I can do.

  • Right, I could just let a lot more people know

  • your product is shit you know?

  • So A, first of all you gotta make sure the product's right.

  • B, have you asked?

  • So like the question is if I went

  • to your Instagram right now have

  • you also just put out fly pictures

  • and cool shit or have you actually said

  • you know link in our profile buy our shit?

  • Like have you thrown that right hook?

  • - [Navindra] Yes, yeah I have live link

  • to my website everything.

  • - Right and so if you're not converting

  • the next thing I would do is I would literally DM

  • every single person that follows you and ask them why not?

  • Ask them like hey we done some stuff we're just,

  • you know you don't wanna say hey we're doing a survey

  • 'cause they'll be like fuck you

  • but like hey you know quick question like

  • you know obviously you gotta be smart,

  • you gotta be. - [Navindra] Personable.

  • - Yeah you gotta be one on one,

  • you gotta be like hey Karen,

  • you know thanks for following us quick question right?

  • And then you gotta remember how Instagram works

  • and the DM it only shows the first couple words

  • so you gotta test different words

  • that get more people like you gotta be smart.

  • 'Cause if it's like Hey Karen she might

  • be out but if it's like quick question she might look.

  • Or like got something for you she'll definitely look.

  • Like you gotta be smart like what people

  • don't understand is there's the clouds and the dirt, right?

  • And when you watch me and DailyVee I'm giving

  • you the clouds right?

  • Because I can't give you the dirt because

  • it's usually dirt from my clients

  • and I can't share it but what I just

  • did for you that's the dirt.

  • Understanding how everything works

  • you have to be a practitioner.

  • I've gotta be a plumber not just an architect.

  • And that's why I'm different than

  • most people that look like me.

  • I'm in it.

  • I'm doing the work.

  • I understand how this shit works.

  • I understand how to get people

  • to swipe up in an Instagram ad

  • and watch a four minute video from,

  • excuse me on a Snapchat ad and

  • get to watch a four minute video

  • most people haven't even run

  • a Snapchat ad yet.

  • I understand why it's smart to buy

  • filters around 20,000 like you

  • should be buying filters around skate parks.

  • You know like if you're doing that awesome

  • it makes me happy and you should be smart though.

  • You should buy it from 4 P.M. on

  • so you catch both waves of after school

  • not just at nine where you catch one

  • like there's this is detail shit.

  • - [Navindra] Perfect thanks.

  • - [Shawn] Hi I'm Shawn and I'm vice president

  • of marketing for the entrepreneurial club so.

  • - [Gary] Awesome.

  • (audience applause)

  • - I don't know how I made it I've seen

  • the struggle first hand it's been a long struggle.

  • Not really my dad 'cause he wasn't really here for me.

  • I seen the struggle and in the face

  • how do you soften the blow?

  • - How does one soften the blow what they see?

  • - Of like struggling 'cause it's like I'm a student

  • and I struggle here and I struggle there

  • so how do I soften that blow?

  • - By realizing you have no fuckin' choice.

  • Like you know like that's the not fun answer.

  • Right like I wish I could come with a little

  • bit more honey for you but the reality

  • is like I think it's better to go the other way.

  • Right like I think it's like it is what it is.

  • Like you could dwell on that struggle

  • which is very real or you could change

  • your perspective and be like okay

  • it's the odds of becoming a human being

  • are 400 trillion to one.

  • You were more likely to win the Mega Millions

  • in your life nine times than to actually have a life.

  • So you could say fuck it

  • like I got this life,

  • it's not as good as rich white kid that

  • got a $400 trillion trust fund

  • but at the same token and let me tell you this,

  • I look at that face and I'm like

  • do you know how sad I am for my kids?

  • I'm being dead serious. You may think it's funny,

  • I don't want that life.

  • I love this narrative.

  • I like the admiration.

  • When you get trust fund babied,

  • you get disrespected.

  • Like, like I look at this,

  • I look at you with way more respect than my homies

  • that have everything handed to them,

  • because I'm like you had it handed, that's not fun either,

  • I've spent time, like I used to think that was fun,

  • I've spent time with them, they're real fucked up.

  • Like, I'm serious, you know, everybody's grass is greener

  • on the other side, I get it,

  • and I don't wanna be like hey, it really sucks

  • to be a trillionaire kid, it doesn't.

  • But, there's plenty of suicide and fucked up depression

  • and all that.

  • I think the right answer man, is to realize

  • you got what you got, and it's like poker, right?

  • You might not have gotten the best hand,

  • in your perspective, but you still have a shot.

  • You know, like, my favorite story of my life

  • is playing checkers with the founder of Uber, Travis.

  • We're at this fancy fucking conference in Hawaii,

  • and we're playing checkers.

  • Right, it's like two in the morning, I dunno,

  • we're just playing fucking checkers, right.

  • (audience laughter)

  • And I'm in deep shit, like it's over, like he's got me.

  • If you've ever played checkers, I'm finished.

  • And so I'm like fuck man,

  • I really don't want to lose this match

  • and so I decide to, I think about it for a little bit,

  • over a couple of moves, and I decide to make pretend,

  • that I made a move that I'm upset about,

  • hoping that he reacts to it quickly.

  • So I make this move, and I go "Fuck."

  • and try to make pretend that I need to go back,

  • but like, my hand was up ready.

  • So he jumps me, which set up a triple jump for me,

  • and I won.

  • That's how I think about your life.

  • (audience applause) You know.

  • Thank you, man.

  • Thank you, man.

  • Listen, listen, the other thing is perspective.

  • I've been to Harlem plenty, and not as much as you obviously

  • but when you go to Ghana, when you go to other places,

  • there's a lot of people out there, man.

  • The trip that I sent a lot of my friends to,

  • that come from inner city coasts, is Mississippi.

  • Like, perspective is a funny thing.

  • I just think there's only one person Earth

  • that's allowed to complain.

  • Like, there's the seven plus billion of us,

  • and there's literally somebody who's in last place.

  • Like on that rank.

  • Right, right?

  • They're in a cave right now as a human slave, or something.

  • I'm being...

  • This is weird but it's true, there's somebody

  • who's in last place.

  • And unless you're that person, you can't complain.

  • And I think if you take that mindset,

  • it gets real good, and that doesn't take out of the equation

  • being a minority, being a female, being poor,

  • being born to really difficult parents situation, like,

  • that doesn't eliminate it.

  • I'm just trying to figure out what the mindset is

  • to get out of it.

  • Because if you're on the defense, you're on the defense.

  • Because I see the same thing happen with the kid

  • who sits and complains, a friend of mine who,

  • literally, literally, literally has $20 million in the bank,

  • as a trust fund kid, he's losing.

  • Everything out of his mouth is defense.

  • And it sounds ridiculous but you sit there,

  • and it's another human being and that's there problem right?

  • Everybody disrespects me,

  • I'm a loser, this and that, like.

  • That's life, you got it.

  • - [Kayla] Hi Gary. - Hi.

  • - [Kayla] My names Kayla. - [Gary] How are you?

  • - Thanks for coming down, this is very surreal for me,

  • because I actually grew up in Edison, repping JP.

  • - [Gary] No way! - Yeah.

  • - [Gary] I love it.

  • Did you go to John Adams Middle School?

  • - No, I actually went to

  • Rochester Prep and Liberty Franklin,

  • but my brother went there.

  • So, very surreal 'cause I've been watching

  • Wine Library back in '07.

  • - [Gary] I love it. You're OG.

  • - Yeah.

  • So I'm actually kind of on this quest to learn

  • from the best people, kind of consider myself

  • a student of life and a student of people

  • not in any institution, thank you.

  • (audience applause)

  • - You know that nobody else gets anything remotely

  • close to that now right?

  • That's how it starts, that's it, it's over.

  • She was smart, she won, lets move on.

  • (audience laughter)

  • - [Man] Okay, I wasn't going to ask you to shout out me.

  • - [Gary] (laughs) Definitely not.

  • - So, me and my brother are just starting up a business,

  • and we want to expand a lot during the summer.

  • - [Gary] What kind of business is it?

  • - We're doing like ad tech startup.

  • - [Gary] Yep.

  • - And so, we're trying to like bring on more people

  • and we're just wondering how much time

  • should we spend on getting good people

  • versus trying to bring them on quickly.

  • And also have them share the vision of the company.

  • - [Gary] Is the company in a place where you're getting

  • a lot of deal flow and clients?

  • - [Man] Recently, not really.

  • - So, are you trying to bring on engineers

  • to build it out?

  • - [Man] Yeah, engineers and people like that.

  • - Then I would go with good.

  • I'd be a little bit more picky.

  • The only time you should over expand

  • and be just hiring C's and D's

  • and just hoping that some are good,

  • is when the business pressure of,

  • people wanna give you money.

  • And because of lack of people, you're saying no.

  • But when you're actually building the product,

  • you know, a bad engineer can really set you back, right.

  • And so, are both of you engineers, or is one of you?

  • - [Man] Yeah, we're both engineers.

  • - So that's great.

  • Entrepreneurship has created some funny ass shit,

  • including two nontechnical co-founders,

  • building technical products

  • and outsourcing and getting fucked.

  • So you guys are in a good spot.

  • What I would do, to be frank, you're young, right?

  • Like, I think you should be spending every minute on it.

  • Like, I think you should be interviewing people at

  • 10:00 P.M. and 11:00 P.M., at 6:00 A.M., like,

  • I would try to get 20, 15, 10 interviews into a day,

  • instead of three, four, five.

  • That's how I would probably attack it, because,

  • you're going to need to win on quality.

  • Are you having, are you guys having a problem

  • with deal flow of getting good talent?

  • - [Man] I think we just need to talk to more people.

  • I'm trying to reach out to people but I'm still trying to

  • get more people to interview with us.

  • - Are you guys spending any time in communities like

  • Meetup or Reddit or other places

  • where there's a scale of people talking?

  • - [Man] No, but I think we need to start doing that more.

  • I just got into the engineering classes.

  • - Awesome.

  • The good thing is you're teched out, right?

  • - [Man] Yeah. - You know...

  • You know, what's so crazy and I think some of you know this

  • it's crazy that bulletin boards are still around.

  • And kind of real, right?

  • So I know when a lot of my engineering talent

  • is looking for talent.

  • It's stunning to me that they go into

  • some of these ruby or python bulletin boards even, ya know?

  • Slack channels I think is a place

  • where you can siphon some...

  • Public Slack channels is a place

  • where I think you can find some engineers.

  • So those are just some details I think you can use.

  • - [Man] Okay, thank you. - You're welcome.

  • - [Jarret] Hi, Gary.

  • This is Jarret. - Jarret.

  • - [Jarret] I watched your content for a while.

  • - Thank you.

  • - [Jarret] I think is really awesome

  • so thank you for being there. - Thank you.

  • - [Jarret] I'm actually just starting a business now myself--

  • - [Gary] Good, awesome. - [Jarret] with a few friends.

  • We're still in the design phase.

  • And I wanted to know when it comes to, of course,

  • designing and then marketing and building a website.

  • There's only three of us.

  • Do you think it's smarter to focus on one thing at a time?

  • Do you think it's smarter to- - What's the business?

  • - [Jarret] It's for skateboarders to protect their

  • shoes from any damage that could happen to them

  • while you're stopping.

  • - Have you designed the product yet?

  • - [Jarret] It's basically finished.

  • We just have to manufacture it.

  • - And so is there anything stopping you?

  • Is it money? Is it the right partner?

  • Is there anything stopping you from manufacturing it?

  • - [Jarret] Well not right now.

  • Money is definitely an issue,

  • but we're working towards that right now.

  • - So you're gonna clearly sell this on Shopify, right?

  • - [Jarret] I've never heard of Shopify.

  • (audience laughter)

  • - So you should definitely build it on Shopify.

  • Because that means you won't have to really build the site.

  • So you'll be set there.

  • So that's good. - [Jarret] Okay.

  • - I'm glad you came to this talk and heard about Shopify.

  • (audience and Gary laugh)

  • So I think you're in motion, right?

  • - [Jarret] Yeah. - If you get the product.

  • The site's gonna be, once you Google out Shopify

  • and learn how to do it, that's a really low-cost way

  • to be into retail, so that's huge.

  • And then on the marketing front,

  • I think it's hard core influencer marketing.

  • Obviously, you've got to file it back to your thing.

  • You might've gotten the wrong influencers, right?

  • Like maybe they gave you--

  • - [Navindra] Yeah, I realized that getting the top tier guys

  • doesn't really do anything.

  • You gotta get the B-level guys

  • because they're the up-and-coming ones.

  • - Yeah, the long-tail is always more interesting

  • because a lot of people really pay.

  • If somebody has 18,000 followers,

  • a lot of times, those 18,000

  • are really watching and following.

  • You start getting to that high level,

  • it just becomes passive and one's feed.

  • So I gotta find the right influencers

  • and just gotta scrap, right?

  • Just gotta get awareness, ya know?

  • But shoot for the moon.

  • You should hit up.

  • You should slide

  • into the DM of every single major skateboarder in the world

  • and ask them to put you on.

  • And 99.999% of them will say "No."

  • But if one says "Yes," everything changes.

  • It's just grind.

  • It's a game of numbers.

  • Do you have the perseverance?

  • Do you love "No" the way I love "No"?

  • I love "No," ya know.

  • Because "No" gets followed up by, "I fucking told you."

  • (audience and Gary laugh)

  • (audience applause and cheers)

  • - [Crowd] Let's go Kenny!

  • Hey Kenny!

  • Kenny, yeah, Kenny!

  • - [Kenny] My name's Kenny.

  • Nice to meet you. - I hear it.

  • (audience and Gary laugh)

  • - [Kenny] My question

  • isn't necessarily entrepreneurship related.

  • - Sure, no worries.

  • - [Kenny] It's more personal branding related.

  • - Sure, let's do it.

  • - [Kenny] How can college seniors and recent grads

  • start building a personal brand

  • to potentially build a business

  • or to get hired at a company they wanna get hired?

  • - Talk about shit you know, Kenny.

  • - [Kenny] That's it? - Yep.

  • (audience laughter and cheers)

  • You know, everybody's trying to build a personal brand.

  • It became this thing.

  • It's crazy. You're holding Crush It!.

  • When I wrote that,

  • people didn't even know what the word meant, right?

  • People laughed at the book you're holding.

  • Because you have to understand, it's 10 years ago.

  • The thought of like, "Go on YouTube."

  • People didn't even know what YouTube was and Twitter was.

  • I was like, "Go on YouTube."

  • I went on CNN and all these places.

  • Literally these are the interviews.

  • You can find them on Google or on YouTube.

  • I'm like, "Go on YouTube and Twitter."

  • And the hosts, this is CNN, the hosts are like,

  • "What's YouTube?"

  • (audience laughter)

  • It seems crazy now, but everybody wants to do that.

  • The way you build a personal brand

  • is people want to follow you, right?

  • So why would people wanna follow you?

  • You're pretty.

  • You're funny.

  • You're smart.

  • You're motivating.

  • You gotta have something.

  • But the thing to do is not to front.

  • Everybody's playing an act

  • which is a house of cards.

  • You need to speak your truth.

  • - [Kenny] Document, don't create things.

  • - Document, don't create.

  • Like all those people just gave you daps

  • 'cause you're clearly a likable dude.

  • That's gonna play out,

  • that's a winning formula,

  • that's the shit I had too. Right?

  • I just also, first of all,

  • and this is something you gotta think about

  • I also just decided to put my head down for 12 years

  • before building a personal brand

  • because it was a lot more fun to build a personal brand

  • around building an actual business.

  • The reason I came up with document don't create

  • was it gives a kid like you a shot.

  • So you could,

  • you could either put your head down for 15 years,

  • pop out and then start building

  • or right now you could just be like,

  • I'm Kenny, I got it, this is what I got going on.

  • Not much yet.

  • I'm not gonna give you business advice

  • when I haven't built a fucking business

  • but I could surely tell you

  • what fucking kids fuck with right now.

  • You could talk about your life, culture.

  • Everybody wants, listen if you'd like,

  • I knew, this gets a little bit into younger than this demo

  • but you might have some younger nieces, nephew, kids.

  • I knew slime and spinners were coming

  • 'cause I watch eight year olds.

  • You know how much money I could have made

  • by buying fucking a bunch of spinners in China

  • and selling them on Amazon?

  • There's people making a hundred thousand racks,

  • like fucking real money,

  • like real money

  • like every week on Amazon

  • because nine months ago they saw kids

  • gonna fuck with spinners

  • and they started buying a shit load of them in China

  • and they ranked first on Amazon.

  • Everybody in the world wants to know

  • what you guys fuck with.

  • Every fashion brand, every soda brand,

  • every sneaker brand.

  • So tell 'em.

  • You know how valuable of a show

  • and how many people would follow you

  • if your day was walking around this campus

  • and just asking people, what's your favorite song,

  • what's your favorite soda,

  • what's your favorite brand?

  • That's valuable.

  • I'm interested.

  • - [Kenny] Do you think personal branding

  • will eventually replace the resume?

  • - Sure, if you define it as,

  • I definitely don't give a fuck what your resume says.

  • I'm far more interested in

  • what our interview is gonna feel like

  • and if I'm intrigued

  • I'm definitely going to your social

  • to figure out who you are.

  • I know when Jet players are not gonna be good

  • by the way they treat their friends

  • and women on social media.

  • It's crazy.

  • I'm like, this guy's a fucking piece of shit.

  • Sure enough, sucks.

  • Hell yeah.

  • What, I'm gonna listen to your bullshit piece of paper

  • versus your actions?

  • - [Kenny] Thank you. - You're welcome.

  • (audience applause)

  • - [Ariel] Hey, what's up, Gary?

  • - That was a little swag, right there.

  • Like a finger roll of the mic.

  • - [Ariel] My name is Ariel

  • and I wanna give you a shout-out

  • for giving a shout-out to Reezy Resells.

  • - Yes.

  • - [Ariel] I actually met him this weekend.

  • Question was on Amazon, Gary,

  • saw them one day. - Yep.

  • - [Ariel] So my question is,

  • I'm a senior electrical engineering.

  • However, I've been having dreams lately

  • of helping my dad in Ecuador.

  • - I love it. - [Ariel] He has a business

  • there but I'm doing the Amazon thing.

  • I'm a senior and I got a few things lined up for the next--

  • - And the Amazon thing, just so everybody learns,

  • is you're buying shit in stores and reselling it on Amazon

  • and making a profit. - [Ariel] Exactly.

  • - I don't even wanna get into,

  • I don't know if you guys heard,

  • you know this whole thing started

  • 'cause I was on Breakfast Club, right?

  • - [Ariel] Exactly, yeah yeah.

  • - And Envy tried to call me out,

  • try to fuckin' gas me up.

  • I was like, "Okay, Envy.

  • "Fuck you. Watch this."

  • And I dropped up the whole thing and it's--

  • Guys, I'm getting 500 emails a month right now

  • from people like,

  • "I make $23,000 a year, we're broke.

  • "I've got $40,000 in credit card debt.

  • "I live with eight family members

  • "and this shit changed.

  • "I go to Marshalls now everyday

  • "and I'm making 200 extra bucks a week."

  • It's crazy what's going on on Amazon and eBay.

  • You can literally,

  • if you got three hours, make hundreds of dollars every day

  • by just going to stores like TJ Maxx and Marshalls

  • and Dollar Store scanning shit,

  • looking for how much it's selling for on Amazon,

  • buying it and selling it.

  • It's fucking, it's crazy right?

  • - [Ariel] Yeah. - What are you flippin'?

  • - [Ariel] So I started flipping books,

  • I'm doing wholesaling

  • and actually I pay for my daughter's daycare

  • through that type of money.

  • So that's really amazing.

  • - How much time are you spending on it?

  • - [Ariel] I probably spent at the beginning

  • probably 10 hours just watching YouTube videos

  • and DM-ing people

  • but now I probably just spend five, 10 hours

  • and it's incredible.

  • - So five, 10.

  • - [Ariel] Five, 10 hours a week.

  • - Buying, going to places to buy?

  • - [Ariel] No, just researching products online.

  • - Got it, you're doing it all online?

  • - [Ariel] Yeah, I'm doing it all online.

  • - You're finding shit?

  • - [Ariel] Yeah, just a few extensions,

  • I think one is via Amazon,

  • and it's Jungle Scout, purchase later on,

  • The app itself is ridiculous.

  • You just scan whatever you have at home.

  • It just tells you how much it's worth.

  • And it started with a $5 investment.

  • - A what dollar?

  • - [Ariel] A $5 investment.

  • But in the end I make a thousand dollars already

  • within the last four months.

  • - One more time, break that down for me.

  • How much of investment?

  • - [Ariel] So I started,

  • the story is actually boring 'cause I was working home

  • and then I found a web design book

  • and I sold it to like, they gave me $6.50.

  • I went to my girlfriend's library.

  • And I'm like, you got books you never read.

  • Let me take those, flip 'em.

  • - So you stole books from the library?

  • - [Ariel] No my girlfriend-- - Your girlfriend did?

  • Even better, even better.

  • 'Cause if you got caught, it was on her.

  • I like you.

  • - [Ariel] My girlfriend's library.

  • So I took that, I flipped it.

  • I made a few bucks of profit

  • and then I just, I've been doing it.

  • - Guys, I'm telling you, if you need,

  • this is just a different thing.

  • If you actually want to be an entrepreneur,

  • selling is always a good idea,

  • engineers, skateboard, it doesn't matter.

  • Whatever your background is, selling,

  • just to learn it, just to taste it,

  • is a foundational thing.

  • At the end of the day, it's what you're gonna do.

  • You could build the best product.

  • Somebody's gonna sell it.

  • You might as well have a little knowledge of it.

  • Everybody should be grounded in selling.

  • Right now, while you've got time and you've got time.

  • Just so you know.

  • Lots of it (laughs), lots of it.

  • Start going places and buying shit.

  • Get the app, the scanning apps on your phone.

  • Make two, three hundred dollars a week on your

  • five to 12-hour investment of going places,

  • listing it, it is a foundational thing

  • that will serve you well and you might as well

  • put a couple hundred bucks in your pocket each week, too.

  • And God forbid you stumble on something.

  • This will happen and then the spinner or the slime

  • or something happens where you walk into

  • the right store doing the right close-out

  • and you scan something and it selling for 35 bucks

  • on Amazon and it's $3 a piece and they've got 400 of them

  • and you've been saving up and making some money

  • and you go all in, all of a sudden you've got $4,000

  • on that $5 investment.

  • This is the emails, 500 emails a month,

  • that started with $9 now have $4,000.

  • But that's a little less Madden,

  • That's a little less listening to all of Logic

  • and Russ's songs on repeat 400 times a day.

  • That's a little less hanging out.

  • It's work.

  • - [Ariel] So I just want to touch on--

  • - Go ahead.

  • - Help out my Dad, but I don't know if it's feasible

  • to do it overseas, 'cause I haven't made enough money

  • to go over there.

  • Do you think it's a good idea to do it

  • 'cause he's having tech, so I don't know what--

  • - What's he do?

  • - He builds products to help flowers

  • last longer whether they come here or they just,

  • there's a lot more, I guess greener, and different--

  • - How old's your Dad?

  • - He's probably like, 60-something,

  • but he's got a Ph.D. in like--

  • - The reason I asked you how old,

  • I think I would wait, but on the same token,

  • there's nothing like working with your family.

  • Maybe you can go back and forth.

  • I'll tell you good news.

  • I don't think there's a wrong answer here.

  • I think either way it's gonna be right.

  • - [Ariel] Alright, cool, thank you.

  • - [Gary] You got it.

  • (audience applause)

  • - [Jose] What's up, Gary? - How are you, my man?

  • - [Jose] My name's Jose, I'm a big fan.

  • - Thank you.

  • I had a question regarding marketing,

  • a little bit of entrepreneurship.

  • - Let's do it.

  • - [Jose] I'm trying to start my own business

  • like a lot of people here.

  • I would work for myself.

  • Working for others kinda sucks.

  • But I'm wondering, we've heard several buzz words

  • like products, sales, et cetera.

  • I'm wondering if you could speak a little bit on

  • how to, when your product is an idea,

  • is a concept, like a value system,

  • I'm trying to build up a web platform for fathers,

  • that can buy some community resources, things like that

  • 'cause I feel like that's

  • a lane that's not very addressed.

  • - [Gary] Understand.

  • - [Jose] It's building now. - I get it.

  • - [Jose] But what I became upon not too long ago.

  • - Congrats. - [Jose] I go

  • there's nothing out here for the men that speaks to 'em.

  • (audience applause and laughter)

  • But at the same time what I'm doing now,

  • you know, I've got the blog.

  • I'm starting to get more into the regular YouTubing

  • and kind of creating consistent content.

  • - You have--

  • - [Jose] That jab, jab, jab.

  • - You're not an idea, you're a media company.

  • - [Jose] That what it is.

  • - So what you need to realize is you're a media company

  • and how do media companies make money?

  • They make money on subscriptions.

  • You gotta sell your content.

  • What's hard about selling content

  • is there's a lot of it out there.

  • A lot of people here don't want to pay for content

  • because, sure, this person might be selling

  • an $8 thing, but they know they can find it

  • for free somewhere else.

  • We don't love to pay for content,

  • but if you're good enough, they will,

  • and so here are the couple things you should do.

  • Keep pumping out tons of content.

  • It's your only shot, and then you gotta build

  • an actual fan base that cares about you,

  • like personal brand. They have to care.

  • They have to care enough to pay for something.

  • If you have enough fans that love you,

  • well, then all of a sudden, Harper Collins comes along

  • and offers you $100,000 to write a book.

  • That's one way to make money.

  • If you have people that love you and care about you

  • and you brought them value, all of a sudden people

  • might pay you $500 to give your first speech, right?

  • And then it builds, right?

  • Or, if they really love you and they care about you

  • and you brought them value,

  • maybe you start doing a father's retreat, right?

  • And maybe a fan of yours owns some property upstate

  • and so they don't charge you,

  • and so now when you charge $200 a head

  • and 150 people come, and you have no overhead

  • 'cause the fan you brought value to

  • gave you the property for free.

  • So you've got to treat yourself like a media company.

  • And so it's not an idea.

  • You just have to put that energy and that content

  • and that fan base into buckets that you can monetize,

  • but first, my man, you've got to actually build a community.

  • - [Jose] Which is what I'm working on now.

  • - I love it, so just build, right now is the time

  • you should work for somebody, right?

  • Nine to three, just get on, but it's that late night.

  • It's the stuff I talked.

  • Crush It! was a breakthrough for me because I started talking

  • about that 7:00 P.M. to two in the morning, right,

  • because I wanna be practical.

  • It's not like, hey quit, it's gonna all be all right.

  • It's gonna be two years to get to a place

  • to have leverage where people are gonna pay you

  • for the things I just broke down.

  • What are you gonna do in those two years?

  • So I'm a big fan of getting that job that's kind of

  • light-weight and just paying you and it's easy.

  • I don't care, stand behind the register of a slow store

  • so you can work now with phones, fuck.

  • When I wrote that, it was desktop computers.

  • Now with the phone, you can building your business

  • while you're standing behind a register

  • at Saks Fifth Avenue, like nobody's up there.

  • You're just building your shit.

  • And getting paid.

  • I love that.

  • - [Jose] Dope, dope.

  • (Gary chuckling)

  • - You're welcome.

  • (audience applause)

  • - [Woman 2] Hi Gary, thank you for being here.

  • I guess I wanna step away from the entrepreneur--

  • - Let's go. - Questions.

  • This is more like about morale

  • with everything that's been going on--

  • - [Gary] Yes. - Since last year.

  • - [Gary] Yes.

  • - Almost every notification you get from CNN

  • - [Gary] Yes. - New York Times.

  • - [Gary] Yes. - It's like--

  • - [Gary] Negative.

  • - [Student] As like an immigrant, a woman--

  • - [Gary] Yes.

  • - [Student] A sister of a special ed child.

  • - [Gary] Yes.

  • - How do you,

  • it's like the system's against you,

  • how do you move on from that?

  • - It's funny, right,

  • because I gave that young man the same answer.

  • And I spend a lot of time with minority female friends

  • in the last year about this.

  • To me, I just try to remind them,

  • it's perspective.

  • I genuinely,

  • what I'm about to say is very very uncomfortable

  • because I'm a white dude.

  • (Woman 2 laughs)

  • But I'm gonna say it because I think it's my truth.

  • I genuinely believe that happiness

  • is much more of a mindset than people realize.

  • You're more than welcome to look at those things

  • and you're getting pounded by them.

  • But I've been lucky my whole life,

  • forget about being a dude,

  • just even when I was a bad student,

  • I just don't listen.

  • I think that you've never had more opportunity

  • than you have right now.

  • I understand the propaganda that's being pushed

  • but the reality is the internet doesn't give a fuck,

  • the market doesn't give a fuck.

  • You know what's really funny?

  • When it comes right down to it,

  • people wanna make money, people wanna win,

  • people wanna be happy.

  • I just think you're way more in control than you think.

  • I don't know what else to tell you like what,

  • like now, obviously for the really unfort--

  • Listen, I didn't get my green card until I was 19.

  • My family was procrastinating our citizenship.

  • I think about it all the time.

  • I'm like fuck.

  • We could have gotten really caught.

  • Unless you're sitting with not the right paperwork

  • which I think is then a real conversation

  • I have no interest in like sitting on a soapbox,

  • but if you're set and you're here,

  • you have it really good.

  • I don't care what people say.

  • There's an unlimited amount of opportunity.

  • First of all, old white dude,

  • angry white dude,

  • they can't stop you.

  • What are they gonna do?

  • What?

  • The cliche angry white dude that we're referring to

  • isn't in a power position to begin with.

  • - [Woman 2] Really? - Sure angry white dude,

  • like all these 28 year old angry white, they're losing.

  • 64 year, when you say really,

  • let me tell you about 64-year-old white dude.

  • He wants to make money

  • and if a brown girl can do it for him, they're in.

  • That's just the truth.

  • That's the part that nobody talks about.

  • Nobody's stopping you.

  • Jeff Zucker can be running CNN Breaking News

  • 'cause he wants ratings

  • and it might be tricking you.

  • But you're letting it trick you.

  • So I, I would change your mindset.

  • You've got, you can do whatever the fuck you want.

  • You can, you can, it's hard.

  • Do I think it's harder for you?

  • Yep. And?

  • - [Woman 2] That's all I needed, really.

  • - I think so, right?

  • People need to be reminded.

  • It's so weird but I was,

  • I'm telling you,

  • the little bubble I lived in

  • and again some of the 40 year olds here know.

  • It was only school.

  • I was an F student.

  • I had no chance.

  • I think you can win.

  • I'm positive you can win.

  • You just need to start changing your mindset.

  • Fuck them.

  • - [Man 2] In the organization

  • and try to have an impact in the community,

  • along the lines of Social Work.

  • - [Gary] Love it.

  • - [Man 2] Rather than try to make a business.

  • - [Gary] I would do a lot of listening

  • and I would do a lot of documenting.

  • The media is what's powerful, right?

  • So if you're trying to make a change,

  • first know what change you're trying to make,

  • listen to the community,

  • don't be idealistic of what you want.

  • One of the things that's been really interesting

  • as I've gotten into social efforts

  • and things of that nature

  • is people have their opinion

  • of what they want for the community

  • not what the community wants for themselves. Right?

  • People get on their high horse, how they want it to be.

  • So the first thing I would say is,

  • you may look exactly like them

  • but make sure you hear them

  • 'cause it's a psychological game not a facade game.

  • So first, know what they want.

  • Once you understand what they want,

  • literally with your iPhone making videos

  • and posting them on Facebook and Instagram.

  • We live in the greatest time ever.

  • We're in control of the media.

  • The media run shit.

  • Why do you think dictators

  • or when there's a coup in a country,

  • they take over the media first?

  • The media makes you think shit.

  • That beautiful wonderful woman right there

  • believes those fuckers pumpin' that negativity

  • 'cause that's what, we're humans.

  • I get it, I'm not mad at you.

  • That's the game.

  • So the fact that we now have that at our fingertips,

  • like film, post, distribute?

  • Do you know how much money that costs a media company?

  • My man over there, like Z,

  • for me to say you're a media company, that's crazy.

  • You needed people to pick you.

  • You needed to wait four years.

  • You needed to get lucky in Hollywood.

  • You needed to have 800 people put you on

  • and take all your money out.

  • It's all you.

  • The internet changed everything.

  • It is the biggest change in our society.

  • We grossly underestimate it.

  • You take it for granted.

  • We underestimate it.

  • It's the biggest shift in human culture ever.

  • That's why I'm optimistic.

  • That's why I'm optimistic.

  • 'Cause you have so many options.

  • That's why I'm optimistic,

  • that you could actually make a change

  • where you couldn't have 30 years ago

  • unless you were one very special human of all time.

  • Now you can make that change,

  • create content around the true stories

  • that people need to hear.

  • - [Man 2] Thank you so much. - You're welcome.

  • (audience applause)

  • - To complete that goal of Fronzi?

  • Fronzi's questions,

  • so I started a Christian apparel line on Shopify,--

  • - [Gary] Christian? - Christian--

  • - [Gary] Apparel line on Shopify.

  • - On Shopify about eight months ago--

  • - [Gary] He heard about Shopify

  • (audience laughter)

  • - About eight months ago I started the journey

  • so there are, there's a greater cause behind the apparel

  • so it's not the apparel that I'm selling, right?

  • - Sure.

  • - So I'm really focused on putting that in the frontline,

  • emphasizing the why and the purpose.

  • And I haven't been so much on--

  • - What's the technical details besides it being Christian,

  • like what happens with the money?

  • You donating all of it?

  • - No, at the moment no.

  • - I understand.

  • - But my question is though,

  • that I've been really focused on actually providing--

  • - The reason I asked that question and made that joke

  • is you need to really make sure

  • that you walk the fine line,

  • when you get into cause or good for profit,

  • you need to make sure you're not full of shit

  • or people with smell it.

  • - Right.

  • - And it's okay, you should make money!

  • There's nothing wrong with that.

  • But make sure you know,

  • like I love when people are like "Oh I'm so"

  • So Tom's shoes, remember that back in the day?

  • I was super friendly with him,

  • he came from a decent place,

  • like he actually he was the first guy

  • who was like "Fuck it, I really want to make these shoes,

  • "and I want to really give a pair of shoes."

  • But then every fucking huckster entrepreneur

  • came through my office and was like

  • "Ok cool yo listen check, I'm starting an umbrella company,

  • "and when you buy one umbrella, I give one umbrella

  • "to the kids that get rained on." Right?

  • Like everybody is just making,

  • like people are just making up shit

  • and then I would look under the hood,

  • and I'd be like "Why is your candy bar,

  • "where you're donating one,

  • "twice the price of every candy bar?

  • "Oh I see.

  • "You want to keep all the money still,

  • "but you want to front like you're doing some good,

  • "so your shit is double the price.

  • "You're not actually giving,

  • "you're inflating the price

  • "so that you can look like a good Christian."

  • I'm not saying that's what you're saying,

  • I'm saying you need to be careful

  • cause that's what everybody's thinking.

  • - [Man 3] Right. So my question regards on the flip side

  • - Go ahead.

  • - [Man 3] I'm extremely focused on the purpose,

  • the cause behind it. and I'm not sales-y enough.

  • - Understood.

  • - [Man 3] So I was wondering what would be some suggestions

  • in like balancing that out?

  • - Well what do you think sales-y means to you?

  • - Well I think that's what it is,

  • I think more of a perspective thing.

  • You know I've been in retail for a long time growing up,

  • and I don't know, it's been pushed upon me like

  • "Oh you gotta sell this, do that"

  • - So you became visceral to it?

  • - Yeah, I think that's what it is. So now--

  • - So how about just running Facebook ads against

  • Christian Americans with $100,000 income levels?

  • - Right, so I've done that.

  • - And?

  • - I'm trying to still emphasize the messages behind it,

  • rather than the t-shirt itself.

  • So I'm still looking for that balance.

  • - So how are you doing that?

  • - That's one of my concerns right now, so--

  • - So you need to pump content.

  • - Yes, that's what I'm doing.

  • I'm currently doing that.

  • - Okay.

  • But the sales aren't keeping up enough, right?

  • - Right.

  • - So why'd you stop doing the Facebook ads,

  • they didn't work?

  • - I decided to re-vamp my entire website,

  • and just sit back, strategize, put my head down.

  • And now I'm going to continue on

  • with the Facebook advertisement.

  • - Yep.

  • To be very frank,

  • I just think it sounds like it's early.

  • Like I think you're just having an early talk right now.

  • Like, patience seems to be the word

  • that's running through my head.

  • I'm like, you clearly know what you gotta do.

  • Like create content about the purpose behind it,

  • and run ads, and try to sell the other stuff.

  • And if you feel like you're not sales-y enough,

  • hire a partner or a head of sales to worry about that

  • so you could put all,

  • it sounds like maybe you don't want to

  • put your energy in that,

  • and maybe you need somebody to focus on the sales

  • so that you can focus on the purpose.

  • - Right. Thank you.

  • - Patience. You know, just keep pulling levers.

  • (audience applause)

  • Also, hashtags.

  • Christian hashtags on Instagram,

  • click it, see the top nine posts, click.

  • - Yeah, I'm going thirty at a time.

  • - Good.

  • - Hey good morning I'm Chris,

  • - Chris.

  • - I want to piggy back on your idea about no choice earlier?

  • - Yes

  • - So I was forced into entrepreneurship

  • because I can't legally work for a company--

  • - Understood.

  • - At first I thought it sucked,

  • but it's been the most empowering thing

  • that I've had over the past couple of years.

  • (audience applause)

  • But my friends still all have

  • like two or three side hustles.

  • So I wanted to get your view on

  • what you think about a side hustle

  • and whether or not folks should just

  • drop it and focus on one?

  • - I think you've got to know the person, right?

  • So like I do think, if you look at the data,

  • like focusing on one business always works out

  • better than three.

  • I always tell kids when they roll in they're like

  • "All right yo, I've got this umbrella company,

  • "I've got a sneaker company,

  • "I've got a babysitting company,

  • "oh and I sell bananas on the side."

  • I'm like "Alright cool," I'm like

  • "When you got four businesses you have no businesses."

  • Right? But, I look at myself,

  • I've got my core businesses,

  • but I'm so entrepreneurial and I love the action so much,

  • I do side things here and there.

  • I almost always lose

  • because I'm not focused on it,

  • and I'm relying on somebody else.

  • But I need that action to make me actually do my main thing.

  • Like the side stuff,

  • it's like a good meal.

  • I like the sea bass but the English peas,

  • I need that too to make the whole meal.

  • And so I think that you've got,

  • it's more reverse engineering the person.

  • But I do think that it's much more fun

  • to start creating side hustles

  • after you have something that's stable

  • and can afford the loss of the side hustle

  • instead of thinking the right strategy is three things

  • because you do definitely get stretched in.

  • And it's very,

  • guys, 99% of small businesses don't win.

  • When are we gonna accept the math?

  • It's hard, right?

  • We're just, the vibe,

  • feels like half of us are gonna make it.

  • One person in this room is gonna make it for real.

  • Because when shit hits the fan,

  • I can't say it enough,

  • when the market crashes,

  • that's when you have to have a big enough business

  • to get through.

  • There's a lot of people here in 24 months

  • that might be on their way

  • but then the money falls out.

  • And people aren't buying anymore.

  • Then your suppliers want their money.

  • - [Man 4] So it's 10:00 AM.

  • We're running, kind of like, ran out of time.

  • - We can't, we can't kill this guy.

  • - [Man 4] The last question with him.

  • - Cool, awesome.

  • - [Gerard] Thank you for that. My name's Gerard, Gary.

  • Thanks for doing the Pat McAfee Show.

  • It was awesome. - Thank you.

  • - [Gerard] So my question is,

  • I'm transitioning to taking over my father's business.

  • - Yes. - [Gerard] Open another, rather.

  • - Yes.

  • - [Gerard] It's an Eastern European grocery store and deli.

  • - Love it. - [Gerard] Port Chester.

  • So the demographic's changed

  • due to some of his personal issues and flaws.

  • We've lost a lot of good customer base.

  • - Because of the way, how he rolls?

  • - [Gerard] As an alcoholic and drinking on the job, yeah.

  • - Respect.

  • - [Gerard] To make a long story short.

  • - Yep.

  • - [Gerard] So, between social media,

  • doing community events, and a lack of capital,

  • what can I do to invest

  • and try to bring back some revenue into the business?

  • - [Gary] So you're gonna be,

  • so it's a deli and a what?

  • - [Gerard] Deli, grocery store. - Right.

  • And lack of capital and what else?

  • - [Gerard] Bad credit as well.

  • Reputation has declined as part of his flaws.

  • - And he'll be cool with you

  • becoming more of the public face

  • because he knows it needs to get saved?

  • - [Gerard] I'm currently going through

  • some barriers with him.

  • - Yeah, because,

  • I mean, notice how I asked a pretty unique question.

  • - [Gerard] Yeah.

  • - Everybody would assume, sure, right?

  • Look sometimes things fail for those reasons.

  • If your dad is able to have the humility

  • that he knows he has no other choice

  • but to let you become the face

  • because of the damage control

  • then you got a prayer

  • because then you can go on heavy offense

  • of creating content on an hourly basis

  • that puts you at the forefront.

  • And what's great about local businesses

  • is it won't take long for the word of mouth to go.

  • And I'm gonna assume,

  • it also sounds like,

  • has he had the business for a long time?

  • - [Gerard] 30 years. - I knew it, so great.

  • A lot of people don't want it to go,

  • underlining, if it's a more recent phenomenon,

  • people are as much sad as they are mad. Right?

  • So I think if you can get your face in front of it

  • and then I would start just doing,

  • I would start doing guerrilla marketing,

  • like stunt marketing.

  • The only thing you've really got as an asset

  • is your inventory. Right?

  • So I would start doing,

  • I mean, this is a risky move.

  • This is really what I would do.

  • I would start doing,

  • I've been thinking about doing this for Vayner,

  • for Wine Library.

  • I want to do something called Free Food Friday.

  • Like literally, literally,

  • just give away $20 gourmet credits

  • at Wine Library on Fridays for like four hours,

  • just to see what the fuck would happen.

  • Just to see how many people show up.

  • Obviously you can't take that big of a financial risk

  • but maybe a version of that,

  • to start giving back to the community.

  • I would do really weird shit,

  • like I've got a really weird one for you.

  • I think that the first day it snows,

  • that you should, stick with me here,

  • I think you should go,

  • I think you should go and shovel people's yards

  • as a thank you for being a customer.

  • Stuff that's stunt-y that could change the mood.

  • Right?

  • When you need to change the momentum,

  • you can't change it by doing little things.

  • You need to do big things, weird things,

  • things that have,

  • owning and we want to give back to the community.

  • So a lot of community stuff.

  • I would literally put a search query

  • around that entire town on Twitter and Instagram

  • and I would literally, as the business,

  • reply to every single fucking comment.

  • If you go into the business.

  • You're gonna be similar to how I rolled in.

  • You're just gonna be sitting there, right?

  • - [Gerard] Right.

  • - You'll be fuckin' sittin' there.

  • So the fuck man.

  • If I had a fucking mobile phone when I was sitting there,

  • I would've been able to do even more damage.

  • And you could just literally search your town, Port Chester,

  • you search it, look at every photo

  • and just fucking pound pound pound.

  • You see some kid who's got like 4,000 followers

  • who's from the local high school, drinking a Gatorade.

  • DM and be like,

  • "Yo I'll give you Gatorade free for this whole month.

  • "Come through, take a photo with me."

  • It can happen fast. You see where I'm going?

  • Your asset, credits a problem.

  • You're going into a fire

  • but you still have products, some,

  • I'm sure there's food in there, there's stuff in there.

  • - [Gerard] Plenty. - Beautiful.

  • That's your ammo.

  • Your ammo is your hustle

  • and the fucking product.

  • - [Gerard] Thank you.

  • - You're welcome.

  • (audience cheers and applause)

  • - [Man 3] Thank you.

  • - [Gary] You're welcome.

  • - [Man 3] I think--

- Good morning.

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