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  • >>WHAT ARE THE SECURITY THREATS

  • FACING THE UNITED STATES?

  • GENERAL STEPHEN CHENEY, CEO OF

  • THE AMERICAN SECURITY PROJECT,

  • HAS A LIST OF THE WORST ONES.

  • HE'LL DISCUSS THEM NEXT, ON

  • GLOBAL PERSPECTIVES.

  • THEME MUSIC

  • >>THIS IS GLOBAL PERSPECTIVES

  • WITH PULITZER PRIZE WINNING

  • COMMENTATOR, JOHN BERSIA.

  • >>WELCOME TO GLOBAL

  • PERSPECTIVES.

  • IN THE AFTERMATH OF TERRORIST

  • ATTACKS, AMERICANS ARE NATURALLY

  • MORE CONCERNED ABOUT NATIONAL

  • SECURITY.

  • GENERAL STEPHEN CHENEY, CEO OF

  • THE AMERICAN SECURITY PROJECT,

  • SPENDS HIS DAYS KEEPING TRACK OF

  • THREATS TO THE NATION.

  • WELCOME TO THE SHOW, GENERAL

  • CHANEY.

  • >>WELL, DR. BERSIA I'M SO GLAD

  • TO BE BACK.

  • >>TELL US ABOUT YOUR

  • MOTIVATIONS.

  • YOU'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN THE

  • DEFENSE OF THE COUNTRY IN

  • VARIOUS WAYS; AS A MARINE NOW

  • WORKING WITH THE AMERICAN

  • SECURITY PROJECT.

  • WHAT KEEPS YOU GOING?

  • >>YOU KNOW IT'S INTERESTING.

  • WHEN YOU COME UP AS A JUNIOR

  • MARINE, JUNIOR OFFICER THROUGH

  • THE RANKS AT THE EARLY STAGES

  • YOU'RE INTERESTED IN THE

  • TACTICAL SITUATION.

  • THE MORE SENIOR YOU GET, THE

  • MORE EDUCATED YOU GET, MORE

  • INVOLVED YOU GET.

  • AND YOU BEGIN TO REALIZE THAT

  • THERE'S A MUCH BIGGER PICTURE

  • HERE THAT YOU'RE SOME WHAT

  • APART OF.

  • AND I THINK I GO BACK PRETTY

  • MUCH TO THE TIME THAT I WAS

  • ASSIGNED TO THE OFFICE OF

  • SECRETARY DEFENSE AND I GOT

  • NOMINATED TO BE THE DEPUTY

  • EXECUTIVE SECRETARY TO THEN DICK

  • CHENEY, NO RELATION.

  • AND WE SAT DOWN AND CHATTED AND

  • WENT OVER THE FAMILY TREE-NO

  • RELATION.

  • BUT IT WAS THERE I GOT PRETTY

  • GOOD EXPOSURE TO WHAT WAS GOING

  • ON IN THE WORLD AND ACTUALLY SAT

  • NEXT TO HIM FOR INSTANCE WHEN

  • OUR TROOPS WENT INTO SOMALIA;

  • WATCHED IT ON T.V., INTERPRETED

  • FOR HIM WHAT THE VEHICLES WERE.

  • AND FROM THERE I GOT NOMINATED

  • TO BE A FELLOW AT THE COUNCIL ON

  • FORMER RELATIONS.

  • AND THAT REALLY SPURED MY

  • INTEREST IN THE RELATIONSHIP

  • BETWEEN THE DEFENSE

  • ESTABLISHMENT NATIONAL SECURITY

  • AND THE SECURITY OF OUR

  • COUNTRY-AND INTERNATIONAL

  • RELATIONS.

  • AND I HAVE FOLLOWED THAT THROUGH

  • EVER SINCE.

  • CULMINATING OF COURSE TODAY WITH

  • MY INVOLVEMENT WITH THE AMERICAN

  • SECURITY PROJECT.

  • SO THAT PART OF IT HAS STUCK

  • WITH ME.

  • I'VE BEEN VERY MUCH INVOLVED

  • IN.

  • AND I THINK MOST OF YOUR SENIOR

  • MILITARY FOLKS, PARTICULARLY THE

  • FLAG OFFICERS, UNDERSTAND THE

  • NATIONAL STRATEGY AND WANT TO

  • STAY INVOLVED.

  • >>TELL US ABOUT YOUR EARLY DAYS

  • AS A MARINE.

  • WHAT WERE YOUR CHALLENGES AND

  • WHAT WERE YOUR OPPORTUNITIES?

  • >>WELL YOU KNOW WHEN YOU'RE

  • RIGHT OUT OF-FOR MY CASE, RIGHT

  • OUT OF THE NAVAL ACADEMY AND YOU

  • GO TO WHAT THE MARINES CALLED

  • BASIC SCHOOL.

  • YOU GET ASSIGNED AN OCCUPATIONAL

  • SPECIALTY OR ARTILLERY IN MY

  • CASE.

  • AND THEN YOU GO OUT TO YOUR

  • UNIT.

  • MY FIRST UNIT WAS AT CAMP

  • PENDLETON.

  • IT WAS AN ARTILLERY BATTERY.

  • LIKE I SAID, YOU'RE FOCUSED ON

  • THE TACTICAL SITUATION.

  • BUT HERE'S AN INTERESTING

  • POINT, WE TRANSITIONED FROM WHAT

  • WAS CALLED THE 105 HOW IT

  • STARTED THE 155 MILLIMETER

  • HOWITZER.

  • THE 155 AT THAT TIME WAS NUCLEAR

  • CAPABLE.

  • AND THAT, WHEN I THINK BACK ON

  • THAT AS A YOUNG LIEUTENANT AND

  • CAPTAIN, TO HAVE THAT MASSIVE

  • AMOUNT OF POWER LITERALLY IN

  • YOUR HANDS.

  • YOU WENT TO A SCHOOL AND WERE

  • TAUGHT HOW TO BUILD THAT ROUND

  • AND THEN HOW TO PLAN TO SHOOT

  • IT.

  • AND I JUST THINK BACK ON IT.

  • I THINK AT THAT TIME IT WAS JUST

  • TACTICAL SITUATION.

  • IT WAS ANOTHER WEAPON IN YOUR

  • ARSENAL.

  • WHEN I THINK BACK ON IT NOW,

  • WHAT A TREMENDOUS CAPABILITY,

  • WHAT A HORRENDOUS CAPABILITY.

  • AND THEN I DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH

  • APPRECIATION FOR THAT

  • PERSPECTIVE ON IT, THE NATIONAL

  • IMPLICATIONS ON IT.

  • OF COURSE, THE MARINES NOW HAVE

  • NO NUCLEAR WEAPONS.

  • THEY DON'T HAVE ANY TACTICAL

  • NUKES.

  • THE WHOLE U.S.

  • ARSENAL HAS SOME LIMITED

  • TACTICAL NUKES BUT THEY'RE

  • PRETTY MUCH ALL STRATEGIC.

  • BUT THAT'S ANOTHER ONE THERE

  • THAT IN MY EARLY CAREER I SAID,

  • "WOW!

  • THIS IS REALLY SOMETHING

  • ELSE!"AND IT WAS PRETTY

  • EXCITING I WILL TELL YOU.

  • AND I MOVED FROM THAT FELW BACK

  • SEAT AN OV-10 AIR CRAFT.

  • BOTH AT CAMP PENDLETON AND IN

  • OKINAWA AND AT CAMP LEJEUNE;

  • REALLY ENJOYED THAT.

  • ENJOYED THE BACKSEAT FLYING

  • ASPECT OF IT.

  • AND THE MORE SENIOR YOU GET, THE

  • MORE COMMAND AND OPPORTUNITIES

  • YOU GET, GOT INVOLVED IN BOOT

  • CAMP.

  • COMMANDED BOTH AT SAN DIEGO AND

  • AT PARRIS ISLAND.

  • AND MY LAST JOB IN THE MARINE

  • CORP WAS COMMANDING GENERAL AT

  • PARRIS ISLAND WHICH I THINK WAS

  • THE BEST JOB IN THE WORLD.

  • WORKING WITH-WE HAD 23,000 YOUNG

  • MEN AND WOMEN COME THROUGH THERE

  • A YEAR.

  • SO IT'S A BIG OPERATION.

  • >>WHAT'S THE BEST PART?

  • WHEN THEY ARRIVE, WHEN THEY

  • GRADUATE?

  • OR THE WHOLE EXPERIENCE?

  • >>WELL, JOHN, I DON'T THINK

  • THEY'D SAY THE BEST PART'S

  • WHEN THEY ARRIVE.

  • AND IT'S LEGENDARY WHEN YOU

  • SEE THEM GET OFF THE BUS AND THE

  • EYES SCREAMING AT THEM.

  • WHICH I NEVER MUCH CARED FOR TO

  • BE HONEST WITH YOU.

  • AND THEY PUT THEM ON YELLOW FOOT

  • PRINTS.

  • BUT THEY ALL KNOW WHAT'S

  • COMING.

  • TODAY, THEY'RE ALL VOLUNTEERS.

  • THEY'RE ALL HIGH SCHOOL

  • GRADUATES.

  • 99.9 PERCENT OF THEM.

  • THEY'RE ALL IN SHAPE.

  • WE HAVE A QUALITY, QUALITY YOUNG

  • MAN AND WOMEN COMING INTO ALL

  • THE MILITARY SERVICES TODAY.

  • BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, BY

  • FAR THE BEST PART'S

  • GRADUATION.

  • AND IF ANYBODY HAS NOT BEEN TO

  • GRADUATION EITHER AT SAN DIEGO

  • OR AT PARRIS ISLAND THEY DO 40

  • OR 42 A YEAR.

  • IT'S OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.

  • THEY COME INTO A FULL FLEDGE

  • PARADE AND A MARCH AND THERE'S

  • A SPEECH BY THE BATTALION

  • COMMANDER.

  • BUT THE BEST PARTS THE END WHERE

  • THEY DROP THE ROPES AND IN SOME

  • CASES, FIVE OR SIX THOUSAND

  • PARENTS RUN ONTO THE PARADE DECK

  • TO FIND THEIR YOUNG MAN OR

  • WOMEN.

  • AND THE FUNNY PART IS, YOU KNOW

  • ALL THEIR HEADS ARE SHAVED,

  • THEY'RE ALL TRIMMED.

  • MIGHT'VE, A LOT OF THEM HAVE

  • LOST A LOT OF WEIGHT.

  • THEY DON'T RECOGNIZE JOHNNY.

  • AND WHEN THEY DO THEY'RE

  • ASTONISHED AT THE

  • TRANSFORMATION.

  • AND IT LITERALLY IS A

  • TRANSFORMATION.

  • >>SO MOVING FROM THAT WORLD INTO

  • THE WORLD OF POLICY AND RESEARCH

  • AND SO FORTH, HOW WAS THE

  • TRANSITION.

  • WAS IT EASY?

  • WAS IT DIFFICULT?

  • >>YOU KNOW, TO CONTINUE MY SAGA

  • OF MY CAREER AFTER BEING A

  • FELLOW AT THE COUCIL AND FOREIGN

  • RELATIONS IN NEW YORK CITY, I

  • WAS REALLY EXCITED BECAUSE I WAS

  • GOING OUT TO CAMP PENDLETON TO

  • COMMAND A REGIMENTAL SIZE UNIT.

  • AND OVER NIGHT MY ORDERS GOT

  • CHANGED AND I GOT SENT TO

  • CAPITAL HILL TO WORK THE

  • CONGRESSIONAL COMMISSION,

  • MISSIONS OF THE ARMED SERVICES.

  • AND THAT OF COURSE IS ULTIMATE

  • POLICY.

  • HERE THE LAW MAKERS ARE GONNA

  • DECIDE THE FUTURE OF ALL THE

  • SERVICES.

  • THEY HAD A COMMITTEE, A

  • COMMISSION THAT WAS GOING TO SIT

  • THERE AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS

  • TO THE GOVERNMENT, TO THE

  • ADMINISTRATION THEN, AND TO

  • CONGRESS AND COULD VERY WELL

  • HAVE REORGANIZED HOW EVERYTHING

  • WAS GONNA TRANSPIRE.

  • COURSE I'M BEING A LITTLE

  • PAROCHIAL ABOUT THIS BUT WE WERE

  • DEFENDING OUR INTERESTS CLEARLY,

  • THE MARINE CORP WAS.

  • AND AT ONE TIME, THE AIR FORCE

  • WANTED TO GET RID OF ITS CLOSE

  • AIR SUPPORT MISSION AND GIVE IT

  • ALL, YOU READY?

  • TO THE MARINE CORP.

  • MARINE CORP HAS IT'S OWN CLOSE

  • AIR SUPPORT AND IS VERY PROUD OF

  • IT; DID NOT WANT TO ABSORB THE

  • AIR FORCES EITHER.

  • SO I MEAN, THAT LEVEL OF POLICY

  • WAS PRETTY INTERESTING TO ME AND

  • I'VE CARRIED THAT ON EVER

  • SINCE WITH MY RELATIONSHIP WITH

  • THE COUNCIL OF FORMER RELATIONS.

  • AND THEN I DID SOME WORK WITH

  • JOHN KERRY IN 2003,2004.

  • I ENDED UP BEING THE CHEIF

  • OPERATING OFFICER OF A