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  • Gentlemen, thank you both for joining us here tonight. We have a lot of folks whove been

  • waiting all day to talk to you, so I want to get right to it.

  • Governor Romney, as you know, you won the coin toss, so the first question will go to

  • you. And I want to turn to a first-time voter, Jeremy Epstein, who has a question for you.

  • QUESTION: Mr. President, Governor Romney, as a 20-year-old college student, all I hear

  • from professors, neighbors and others is that when I graduate, I will have little chance

  • to get employment. What can you say to reassure me, but more importantly my parents, that

  • I will be able to sufficiently support myself after I graduate?

  • ROMNEY: Thank you, Jeremy. I appreciate youryour question, and thank you for being

  • here this evening and to all of those from Nassau County that have come, thank you for

  • your time. Thank you to Hofstra University and to Candy Crowley for organizing and leading

  • thisthis event. Thank you, Mr. President, also for being part

  • of thisthis debate. Your questionyour question is one that’s

  • being asked by college kids all over this country. I was in Pennsylvania with someone

  • who had just graduatedthis was in Philadelphiaand she said, “I’ve got my degree.

  • I can’t find a job. I’ve got three part- time jobs. Theyre just barely enough to

  • pay for my food and pay for an apartment. I can’t begin to pay back my student loans.”

  • So what we have to do is two things. We have to make sure that we make it easier for kids

  • to afford college. ROMNEY: And also make sure that when they

  • get out of college, there’s a job. When I was governor of Massachusetts, to get a

  • high school degree, you had to pass an exam. If you graduated in the top quarter of your

  • airlines, we gave you a John and Abigail Adams scholarship, four years tuition free in the

  • college of your choice in Massachusetts, it’s a public institution.

  • I want to make sure we keep our Pell grant program growing. Were also going to have

  • our loan program, so that people are able to afford school. But the key thing is to

  • make sure you can get a job when you get out of school. And what’s happened over the

  • last four years has been very, very hard for America’s young people. I want you to be

  • able to get a job. I know what it takes to get this economy going.

  • With half of college kids graduating this year without a collegeexcuse me, without

  • a job. And without a college level job, that’s just unacceptable.

  • And likewise youve got more and more debt on your back. So more debt and less jobs.

  • I’m going to change that. I know what it takes to create good jobs again. I know what

  • it takes to make sure that you have the kind of opportunity you deserve. And kids across

  • this country are going to recognize, were bringing back an economy.

  • It’s not going to be like the last four years. The middle-class has been crushed over

  • the last four years, and jobs have been too scarce. I know what it takes to bring them

  • back, and I’m going to do that, and make sure that when you graduatewhen do you

  • graduate? QUESTION: 2014.

  • ROMNEY: 2014. When you come out in 2014, I presume I’m going to be president. I’m

  • going to make sure you get a job. Thanks Jeremy. Yeah, you bet.

  • CROWLEY: Mr. President? OBAMA: Jeremy, first of all, your future is

  • bright. And the fact that youre making an investment in higher education is critical.

  • Not just to you, but to the entire nation. Now, the most important thing we can do is

  • to make sure that we are creating jobs in this country. But not just jobs, good paying

  • jobs. Ones that can support a family. OBAMA: And what I want to do, is build on

  • the five million jobs that weve created over the last 30 months in the private sector

  • alone. And there are a bunch of things we can do to make sure your future is bright.

  • Number one, I want to build manufacturing jobs in this country again. Now when Governor

  • Romney said we should let Detroit go bankrupt. I said were going to bet on American workers

  • and the American auto industry and it’s come surging back.

  • I want to do that in industries, not just in Detroit, but all across the country and

  • that means we change our tax code so were giving incentives to companies that are investing

  • here in the United States and creating jobs here.

  • It also means were helping them and small businesses to export all around the world

  • to new markets. Number two, weve got to make sure that

  • we have the best education system in the world. And the fact that youre going to college

  • is great, but I want everybody to get a great education and weve worked hard to make

  • sure that student loans are available for folks like you, but I also want to make sure

  • that community colleges are offering slots for workers to get retrained for the jobs

  • that are out there right now and the jobs of the future.

  • Number three, weve got to control our own energy. Now, not only oil and natural gas,

  • which weve been investing in; but also, weve got to make sure were building

  • the energy source of the future, not just thinking about next year, but ten years from

  • now, 20 years from now. That’s why weve invested in solar and wind and biofuels, energy

  • efficient cars. Weve got to reduce our deficit, but weve

  • got to do it in a balanced way. Asking the wealthy to pay a little bit more along with

  • cuts so that we can invest in education like yours.

  • And let’s take the money that weve been spending on war over the last decade to rebuild

  • America, roads, bridges schools. We do those things, not only is your future going to be

  • bright but America’s future is going to bright as well.

  • CROWLEY: Let me ask you for more immediate answer and begin with Mr. Romney just quickly

  • whatwhat can you do? Were looking at a situation where 40 percent of the unemployed

  • have been unemployed have been unemployed for six months or more. They don’t have

  • the two years that Jeremy has. What about those long term unemployed who

  • need a job right now? ROMNEY: Well what youre seeing in this

  • country is 23 million people struggling to find a job. And a lot of them, as you say,

  • Candy, have been out of work for a long, long, long time. The president’s policies have

  • been exercised over the last four years and they haven’t put Americans back to work.

  • We have fewer people working today than we had when the president took office. If the

  • the unemployment rate was 7.8 percent when he took office, it’s 7.8 percent now.

  • But if you calculated that unemployment rate, taking back the people who dropped out of

  • the workforce, it would be 10.7 percent. We have not made the progress we need to make

  • to put people back to work. That’s why I put out a five-point plan that gets America

  • 12 million new jobs in four years and rising take-home pay. It’s going to help Jeremy

  • get a job when he comes out of school. It’s going to help people across the country that

  • are unemployed right now. And one thing that the president said, which

  • I want to make sure that we understand, he said that I said we should take Detroit bankrupt.

  • And that’s right. My plan was to have the company go through bankruptcy like 7-Eleven

  • did and Macy’s and Condell (ph) Airlines and come out stronger.

  • And I know he keeps saying, you want to take Detroit bankrupt. Well, the president took

  • Detroit bankrupt. You took General Motors bankrupt. You took Chrysler bankrupt. So when

  • you say that I wanted to take the auto industry bankrupt, you actually did.

  • And I think it’s important to know that that was a process that was necessary to get

  • those companies back on their feet, so they could start hiring more people. That was precisely

  • what I recommended and ultimately what happened. CROWLEY: Let me give the president a chance.

  • Go ahead. OBAMA: Candy, what Governor Romney said just isn’t true. He wanted to take

  • them into bankruptcy without providing them any way to stay open. And we would have lost

  • a million jobs. And thatdon’t take my word for it, take the executives at GM

  • and Chrysler, some of whom are Republicans, may even support Governor Romney. But theyll

  • tell you his prescription wasn’t going to work.

  • And Governor Romney’s says he’s got a five-point plan? Governor Romney doesn’t

  • have a five-point plan. He has a one-point plan. And that plan is to make sure that folks

  • at the top play by a different set of rules. That’s been his philosophy in the private

  • sector, that’s been his philosophy as governor, that’s been his philosophy as a presidential

  • candidate. You can make a lot of money and pay lower

  • tax rates than somebody who makes a lot less. You can ship jobs overseas and get tax breaks

  • for it. You can invest in a company, bankrupt it, lay off the workers, strip away their

  • pensions, and you still make money. That’s exactly the philosophy that weve

  • seen in place for the last decade. That’s what’s been squeezing middle class families.

  • And we have fought back for four years to get out of that mess. The last thing we need

  • to do is to go back to the very same policies that got us there.

  • CROWLEY: Mr. President, the next question is going to be for you here.

  • And, Mr. RomneyGovernor Romneytherell be plenty of chances here to go on, but I

  • want toROMNEY: Thatthat Detroitthat Detroit

  • answerCROWLEY: We have all these folks.

  • ROMNEY: … that Detroit answerCROWLEY: I will let you absolutely

  • ROMNEY: … and the rest of the answer, way off the mark.

  • CROWLEY: OK. Willwillyou certainly will have lots of time here coming up.

  • Because I want to move you on to something that’s sort of connected to cars here, and

  • and go over. And we want to get a question from Phillip Tricolla.

  • QUESTION: Your energy secretary, Steven Chu, has now been on record three times stating

  • it’s not policy of his department to help lower gas prices. Do you agree with Secretary

  • Chu that this is not the job of the Energy Department?

  • OBAMA: The most important thing we can do is to make sure we control our own energy.

  • So here’s what I’ve done since I’ve been president. We have increased oil production

  • to the highest levels in 16 years. Natural gas production is the highest it’s

  • been in decades. We have seen increases in coal production and coal employment. But what

  • I’ve also said is we can’t just produce traditional source of energy. Weve also

  • got to look to the future. That’s why we doubled fuel efficiency standards on cars.

  • That means that in the middle of the next decade, any car you buy, youre going to

  • end up going twice as far on a gallon of gas. That’s why we doubled cleanclean energy

  • production like wind and solar and biofuels. And all these things have contributed to us

  • lowering our oil imports to the lowest levels in 16 years. Now, I want to build on that.

  • And that means, yes, we still continue to open up new areas for drilling. We continue

  • to make it a priority for us to go after natural gas. Weve got potentially 600,000 jobs

  • and 100 years worth of energy right beneath our feet with natural gas.

  • And we can do it in an environmentally sound way. But weve also got to continue to figure

  • out how we have efficiency energy, because ultimately that’s how were going to reduce

  • demand and that’s what’s going to keep gas prices lower.

  • Now, Governor Romney will say he’s got an all-of-the-above plan, but basically his plan

  • is to let the oil companies write the energy policies. So he’s got the oil and gas part,

  • but he doesn’t have the clean energy part. And if we are only thinking about tomorrow

  • or the next day and not thinking about 10 years from now, were not going to control

  • our own economic future. Because China, Germany, theyre making these investments. And I’m

  • not going to cede those jobs of the future to those countries. I expect those new energy

  • sources to be built right here in the United States.

  • That’s going to help Jeremy get a job. It’s also going to make sure that youre not

  • paying as much for gas. CROWLEY: Governor, on the subject of gas prices?

  • ROMNEY: Well, let’s look at the president’s policies, all right, as opposed to the rhetoric,

  • because weve had four years of policies being played out. And the president’s right

  • in terms of the additional oil production, but none of it came on federal land. As a

  • matter of fact, oil production is down 14 percent this year on federal land, and gas

  • production was down 9 percent. Why? Because the president cut in half the number of licenses

  • and permits for drilling on federal lands, and in federal waters.

  • So where’d the increase come from? Well a lot of it came from the Bakken Range in

  • North Dakota. What was his participation there? The administration brought a criminal action

  • against the people drilling up there for oil, this massive new resource we have. And what

  • was the cost? 20 or 25 birds were killed and brought out a migratory bird act to go after

  • them on a criminal basis. Look, I want to make sure we use our oil,

  • our coal, our gas, our nuclear, our renewables. I believe very much in our renewable capabilities;

  • ethanol, wind, solar will be an important part of our energy mix.

  • But what we don’t need is to have the president keeping us from taking advantage of oil, coal

  • and gas. This has not been Mr. Oil, or Mr. Gas, or Mr. Coal. Talk to the people that

  • are working in those industries. I was in coal country. People grabbed my arms and said,

  • Please save my job.” The head of the EPA said, “You can’t build a coal plant.

  • Youll virtuallyit’s virtually impossible given our regulations.” When the president

  • ran for office, he said if you build a coal plant, you can go ahead, but youll go bankrupt.

  • That’s not the right course for America. Let’s take advantage of the energy resources

  • we have, as well as the energy sources for the future. And if we do that, if we do what

  • I’m planning on doing, which is getting us energy independent, North America energy

  • independence within eight years, youre going to see manufacturing jobs come back.

  • Because our energy is low cost, that are already beginning to come back because of our abundant

  • energy. I’ll get America and North America energy independent. I’ll do it by more drilling,

  • more permits and licenses. Were going to bring that pipeline in from

  • Canada. How in the world the president said no to that pipeline? I will never know.

  • This is about bringing good jobs back for the middle class of America, and that’s

  • what I’m going to do. CROWLEY: Mr. President, let me just see if I can move you to the gist

  • of this question, which is, are we looking at the new normal? I can tell you that tomorrow

  • morning, a lot of people in Hempstead will wake up and fill up and they will find that

  • the price of gas is over $4 a gallon. Is it within the purview of the government

  • to bring those prices down, or are we looking at the new normal?

  • OBAMA: Candy, there’s no doubt that world demand’s gone up, but our production is

  • going up, and were using oil more efficiently. And very little of what Governor Romney just

  • said is true. Weve opened up public lands. Were actually drilling more on public lands

  • than in the previous administration and mythe previous president was an oil man.

  • And natural gas isn’t just appearing magically. Were encouraging it and working with the

  • industry. And when I hear Governor Romney say he’s

  • a big coal guy, I mean, keep in mind, whenGovernor, when you were governor of Massachusetts,

  • you stood in front of a coal plant and pointed at it and said, “This plant kills,” and

  • took great pride in shutting it down. And now suddenly youre a big champion of coal.

  • So what I’ve tried to do is be consistent. With respect to something like coal, we made

  • the largest investment in clean coal technology, to make sure that even as were producing

  • more coal, were producing it cleaner and smarter. Same thing with oil, same thing with

  • natural gas. And the proof is our oil imports are down

  • to the lowest levels in 20 years. Oil production is up, natural gas production is up, and,

  • most importantly, were also starting to build cars that are more efficient.

  • And that’s creating jobs. That means those cars can be exported, ‘cause that’s the

  • demand around the world, and it also means that itll save money in your pocketbook.

  • OBAMA: That’s the strategy you need, an all-of-the-above strategy, and that’s what

  • were going to do in the next four years. ROMNEY: But that’s not what youve done

  • in the last four years. That’s the problem. In the last four years, you cut permits and

  • licenses on federal land and federal waters in half.

  • OBAMA: Not true, Governor Romney. ROMNEY: So how much did you cut (inaudible)?

  • OBAMA: Not true. ROMNEY: How much did you cut them by, then?

  • OBAMA: Governor, we have actually produced more oil

  • ROMNEY: No, no. How much did you cut licenses and permits on federal land and federal waters?

  • OBAMA: Governor Romney, here’s what we did. There were a whole bunch of oil companies.

  • (CROSSTALK) ROMNEY: No, no, I had a question and the question

  • was how much did you cut them by? OBAMA: You want me to answer a question

  • ROMNEY: How much did you cut them by? OBAMA: I’m happy to answer the question.

  • ROMNEY: All right. And it isOBAMA: Here’s what happened. You had a whole

  • bunch of oil companies who had leases on public lands that they weren’t using. So what we

  • said was you can’t just sit on this for 10, 20, 30 years, decide when you want to

  • drill, when you want to produce, when it’s most profitable for you. These are public

  • lands. So if you want to drill on public lands, you use it or you lose it.

  • ROMNEY: OK, (inaudible) – OBAMA: And so what we did was take away those

  • leases. And we are now reletting them so that we can actually make a profit.

  • ROMNEY: And production on privateon government land

  • OBAMA: Production is up. ROMNEY: — is down.

  • OBAMA: No, it isn’t. ROMNEY: Production on government land of oil

  • is down 14 percent. OBAMA: Governor

  • ROMNEY: And production on gas – (CROSSTALK)

  • OBAMA: It’s just not true. ROMNEY: It’s absolutely true. Look, there’s

  • no question but the people recognize that we have not produced more (inaudible) on federal

  • lands and in federal waters. And coal, coal production is not up; coal jobs are not up.

  • I was just at a coal facility, where some 1,200 people lost their jobs. The right course

  • for America is to have a true all-of-the-above policy. I don’t think anyone really believes

  • that youre a person who’s going to be pushing for oil and gas and coal. Youll

  • get your chance in a moment. I’m still speaking. OBAMA: Well

  • ROMNEY: And the answer is I don’t believe people think that’s the case

  • OBAMA: — (inaudible). ROMNEY: That wasn’t the question.

  • OBAMA: OK. ROMNEY: That was a statement. I don’t think

  • the American people believe that. I will fight for oil, coal and natural gas. And the proof,

  • the proof of whether a strategy is working or not is what the price is that youre

  • paying at the pump. If youre paying less than you paid a year or two ago, why, then,

  • the strategy is working. But youre paying more. When the president took office, the

  • price of gasoline here in Nassau County was about $1.86 a gallon. Now, it’s $4.00 a

  • gallon. The price of electricity is up. If the president’s energy policies are working,

  • youre going to see the cost of energy come down. I will fight to create more energy in

  • this country, to get America energy secure. And part of that is bringing in a pipeline

  • of oil from Canada, taking advantage of the oil and coal we have here, drilling offshore

  • in Alaska, drilling offshore in Virginia where the people want it. Those things will get

  • us the energy we need. CROWLEY: Mr. President, could you address,

  • because we did finally get to gas prices here, could you address what the governor said,

  • which is if your energy policy was working, the price of gasoline would not be $4 a gallon

  • here. Is that true? OBAMA: Well, think about what the governor

  • think about what the governor just said. He said when I took office, the price of gasoline

  • was $1.80, $1.86. Why is that? Because the economy was on the verge of collapse, because

  • we were about to go through the worst recession since the Great Depression, as a consequence

  • of some of the same policies that Governor Romney’s now promoting.

  • So, it’s conceivable that Governor Romney could bring down gas prices because with his

  • policies, we might be back in that same mess. What I want to do is to create an economy

  • that is strong, and at the same time produce energy. And with respect to this pipeline

  • that Governor Romney keeps on talking about, weveweve built enough pipeline

  • to wrap around the entire earth once. So, I’m all for pipelines. I’m all for

  • oil production. What I’m not for is us ignoring the other half of the equation. So, for example,

  • on wind energy, when Governor Romney saysthese are imaginary jobs.” When youve

  • got thousands of people right now in Iowa, right now in Colorado, who are working, creating

  • wind power with good-paying manufacturing jobs, and the Republican senator in thatin

  • Iowa is all for it, providing tax breaks (ph) to help this work and Governor Romney says

  • I’m opposed. I’d get rid of it. That’s not an energy strategy for the future.

  • And we need to win that future. And I intend to win it as President of the United States.

  • CROWLEY: I got to — I got to move you on

  • ROMNEY: He gets the firstCROWLEY: — and the next question

  • ROMNEY: He actually gotCROWLEY: — for you

  • ROMNEY: He actually got the first question. So I get the last questionlast answer

  • CROWLEY: (Inaudible) in the follow up, it

  • doesn’t quite work like that. But I’m going to give you a chance here. I promise

  • you, I’m going to. And the next question is for you. So if you

  • want to, you know, continue onbut I don’t want to leave all

  • ROMNEY: Candy, CandyCROWLEY: — sitting here

  • ROMNEY: Candy, I don’t have a policy of stopping wind jobs in Iowa and thattheyre

  • not phantom jobs. Theyre real jobs. CROWLEY: OK.

  • ROMNEY: I appreciate wind jobs in Iowa and across our country. I appreciate the jobs

  • in coal and oil and gas. I’m going to make sure

  • CROWLEY: OK. ROMNEY: — were taking advantage of our

  • energy resources. Well bring back manufacturing to America. Were going to get through a

  • very aggressive energy policy, 31/2 million more jobs in this country. It’s critical

  • to our future. OBAMA: Candy, it’s not going to

  • CROWLEY: Were going to move you alongOBAMA: Used to being interrupted.

  • CROWLEY: Were going to move you both along to taxes over here and all these folks that

  • have been waiting. Governor, this question is for you. It comes

  • from Mary FollanoFollano, sorry. ROMNEY: Hi, Mary.

  • QUESTION: Governor Romney, you have stated that if youre elected president, you would

  • plan to reduce the tax rates for all the tax brackets and that you would work with the

  • Congress to eliminate some deductions in order to make up for the loss in revenue.

  • Concerning thethese various deductions, the mortgage deductions, the charitable deductions,

  • the child tax credit and also theoh, what’s that other credit? I forgot.

  • OBAMA: Youre doing great. QUESTION: Oh, I remember.

  • The education credits, which are important to me, because I have children in college.

  • What would be your position on those things, which are important to the middle class?

  • ROMNEY: Thank you very much. And let me tell you, youre absolutely right about part

  • of that, which is I want to bring the rates down, I want to simplify the tax code, and

  • I want to get middle- income taxpayers to have lower taxes.

  • And the reason I want middle-income taxpayers to have lower taxes is because middle-income

  • taxpayers have been buried over the past four years. Youve seen, as middle-income people

  • in this country, incomes go down $4,300 a family, even as gasoline prices have gone

  • up $2,000. Health insurance premiums, up $2,500. Food prices up. Utility prices up.

  • The middle-income families in America have been crushed over the last four years. So

  • I want to get some relief to middle-income families. That’s partthat’s part

  • one. Now, how about deductions? ‘Cause I’m

  • going to bring rates down across the board for everybody, but I’m going to limit deductions

  • and exemptions and credits, particularly for people at the high end, because I am not going

  • to have people at the high end pay less than theyre paying now.

  • The top 5 percent of taxpayers will continue to pay 60 percent of the income tax the nation

  • collects. So thatll stay the same. Middle-income people are going to get a tax

  • break. And so, in terms of bringing down deductions,

  • one way of doing that would be say everybody gets — I’ll pick a number — $25,000

  • of deductions and credits, and you can decide which ones to use. Your home mortgage interest

  • deduction, charity, child tax credit, and so forth, you can use those as part of filling

  • that bucket, if you will, of deductions. But your rate comes down and the burden also

  • comes down on you for one more reason, and that is every middle-income taxpayer no longer

  • will pay any tax on interest, dividends or capital gains. No tax on your savings. That

  • makes life a lot easier. If youre getting interest from a bank,

  • if youre getting a statement from a mutual fund or any other kind of investment you have,

  • you don’t have to worry about filing taxes on that, because therell be no taxes for

  • anybody making $200,000.00 per year and less, on your interest, dividends and capital gains.

  • Why am I lowering taxes on the middle-class? Because under the last four years, theyve

  • been buried. And I want to help people in the middle-class.

  • And I will not — I will not under any circumstances, reduce the share that’s being paid by the

  • highest income taxpayers. And I will not, under any circumstances increase taxes on

  • the middle-class. The president’s spending, the president’s borrowing will cost this

  • nation to have to raise taxes on the American people. Not just at the high end. A recent

  • study has shown the people in the middle-class will see $4,000.00 per year in higher taxes

  • as a result of the spending and borrowing of this administration.

  • I will not let that happen. I want to get us on track to a balanced budget, and I’m

  • going to reduce the tax burden on middle income families. And what’s that going to do? It’s

  • going to help those families, and it’s going to create incentives to start growing jobs

  • again in this country. CROWLEY: Thanks, Governor.

  • OBAMA: My philosophy on taxes has been simple. And that is, I want to give middle-class families

  • and folks who are striving to get into the middle-class some relief. Because they have

  • been hit hard over the last decade. Over the last 15, over the last 20 years.

  • So four years ago I stood on a stage just like this one. Actually it was a town hall,

  • and I said I would cut taxes for middle- class families, and that’s what I’ve done, by

  • $3,600.00. I said I would cut taxes for small businesses, who are the drivers and engines

  • of growth. And weve cut them 18 times. And I want to continue those tax cuts for

  • middle-class families, and for small business. But what I’ve also said is, if were serious

  • about reducing the deficit, if this is genuinely a moral obligation to the next generation,

  • then in addition to some tough spending cuts, weve also got to make sure that the wealthy

  • do a little bit more. So what I’ve said is, your first $250,000.00

  • worth of income, no change. And that means 98 percent of American families, 97 percent

  • of small businesses, they will not see a tax increase. I’m ready to sign that bill right

  • now. The only reason it’s not happening is because Governor Romney’s allies in Congress

  • have held the 98 percent hostage because they want tax breaks for the top 2 percent.

  • But what I’ve also says is for above $250,000, we can go back to the tax rates we had when

  • Bill Clinton was president. We created 23 million new jobs. That’s part of what took

  • us from deficits to surplus. It will be good for our economy and it will be good for job

  • creation. Now, Governor Romney has a different philosophy.

  • He was on 60 Minutes just two weeks ago and he was asked: Is it fair for somebody like

  • you, making $20 million a year, to pay a lower tax rate than a nurse or a bus driver, somebody

  • making $50,000 year? And he said, “Yes, I think that’s fair.” Not only that, he

  • said, “I think that’s what grows the economy.” Well, I fundamentally disagree with that.

  • I think what grows the economy is when you get that tax credit that we put in place for

  • your kids going to college. I think that grows the economy. I think what grows the economy

  • is when we make sure small businesses are getting a tax credit for hiring veterans who

  • fought for our country. That grows our economy. So we just have a different theory. And when

  • Governor Romney stands here, after a year of campaigning, when during a Republican primary

  • he stood on stage and said “I’m going to give tax cuts” — he didn’t say tax

  • rate cuts, he saidtax cuts to everybody,” including the top 1 percent, you should believe

  • him because that’s been his history. And that’s exactly the kind of top-down

  • economics that is not going to work if we want a strong middle class and an economy

  • that’s striving for everybody. CROWLEY: Governor Romney, I’m sure youve

  • got a reply there. (LAUGHTER) ROMNEY: Youre absolutely right.

  • You heard what I said about my tax plan. The top 5 percent will continue to pay 60 percent,

  • as they do today. I’m not looking to cut taxes for wealthy people. I am looking to

  • cut taxes for middle-income people. And why do I want to bring rates down, and

  • at the same time lower exemptions and deductions, particularly for people at the high end? Because

  • if you bring rates down, it makes it easier for small business to keep more of their capital

  • and hire people. And for me, this is about jobs. I want to

  • get America’s economy going again. Fifty-four percent of America’s workers work in businesses

  • that are taxed as individuals. So when you bring those rates down, those small businesses

  • are able to keep more money and hire more people.

  • For me, I look at what’s happened in the last four years and say this has been a disappointment.

  • We can do better than this. We don’t have to settle for, how many months, 43 months

  • with unemployment above 8 percent, 23 million Americans struggling to find a good job right

  • now. There are 3.5 million more women living in

  • poverty today than when the president took office.

  • We don’t have to live like this. We can get this economy going again. My five-point

  • plan does it. Energy independence for North America in five years. Opening up more trade,

  • particularly in Latin America. Cracking down on China when they cheat. Getting us to a

  • balanced budget. Fixing our training programs for our workers. And finally, championing

  • small business. I want to make small businesses grow and thrive.

  • I know how to make that happen. I spent my life in the private sector. I know why jobs

  • come and why they go. And theyre going now because of the policies of this administration.

  • CROWLEY: Governor, let me ask the president something about what you just said.

  • The governor says that he is not going to allow the top 5 percent, believe is what he

  • said, to have a tax cut, that it will all even out, that what he wants to do is give

  • that tax cut to the middle class. Settled? OBAMA: No, it’s not settled.

  • Look, the cost of lowering rates for everybody across the board, 20 percent. Along with what

  • he also wants to do in terms of eliminating the estate tax, along what he wants to do

  • in terms of corporates, changes in the tax code, it costs about $5 trillion.

  • Governor Romney then also wants to spend $2 trillion on additional military programs even

  • though the military’s not asking for them. That’s $7 trillion.

  • He also wants to continue the Bush tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans. That’s another

  • trillion dollarsthat’s $8 trillion. Now, what he says is he’s going to make

  • sure that this doesn’t add to the deficit and he’s going to cut middleclass taxes.

  • But when he’s asked, how are you going to do it, which deductions, which loopholes are

  • you going to close? He can’t tell you. Thethe fact that he only has to pay 14

  • percent on his taxes when a lot of you are paying much higher. He’s already taken that

  • off the board, capital gains are going to continue to be at a low rate so wewere

  • not going to get money that way. We haven’t heard from the governor any specifics

  • beyond Big Bird and eliminating funding for Planned Parenthood in terms of how he pays

  • for that. Now, Governor Romney was a very successful

  • investor. If somebody came to you, Governor, with a plan that said, here, I want to spend

  • $7 or $8 trillion, and then were going to pay for it, but we can’t tell you until

  • maybe after the election how were going to do it, you wouldn’t take such a sketchy

  • deal and neither should you, the American people, because the math doesn’t add up.

  • Andand what’s at stake here is one of two things, either Candythis blows

  • up the deficit because keep in mind, this is just to pay for the additional spending

  • that he’s talking about, $7 trillion – $8 trillion before we even get to the deficit

  • we already have. Or, alternatively, it’s got to be paid for, not only by closing deductions

  • for wealthy individuals, thatthat will pay for about 4 percent reduction in tax rates.

  • Youre going to be paying for it. Youre going to lose some deductions, and you can’t

  • buy the sales pitch. Nobody who’s looked at it that’s serious, actually believes

  • it adds up. CROWLEY: Mr. President, let me getlet

  • me get the governor in on this. And Governor, let’s — before we get into a…

  • ROMNEY: I — I… CROWLEY: …vast array of who sayswhat

  • study says what, if it shouldn’t add up. If somehow when you get in there, there isn’t

  • enough tax revenue coming in. If somehow the numbers don’t add up, would you be willing

  • to look again at a 20 percentROMNEY: Well of course they add up. I — I

  • was — I was someone who ran businesses for 25 years, and balanced the budget. I ran the

  • Olympics and balanced the budget. I ran thethe state of Massachusetts as a governor,

  • to the extent any governor does, and balanced the budget all four years. When were talking

  • about math that doesn’t add up, how about $4 trillion of deficits over the last four

  • years, $5 trillion? That’s math that doesn’t add up. We havewe have a president talking

  • about someone’s plan in a way that’s completely foreign to what my real plan is.

  • ROMNEY: And then we have his own record, which is we have four consecutive years where he

  • said when he was running for office, he would cut the deficit in half. Instead he’s doubled

  • it. Weve gone from $10 trillion of national debt, to $16 trillion of national debt. If

  • the president were reelected, we’d go to almost $20 trillion of national debt. This

  • puts us on a road to Greece. I know what it takes to balance budgets. I’ve done it my

  • entire life. So for instance when he says, “Yours is a $5 trillion cut.” Well, no

  • it’s not. Because I’m offsetting some of the reductions with holding down some of

  • the deductions. And

  • CROWLEY: Governor, I’ve gottagottaactually, I need to have you both (inaudible).

  • (CROSSTALK) CROWLEY: I understand the stakes here. I understand

  • both of you. But I — I will get run out of town if I don’t…

  • (CROSSTALK) ROMNEY: And I just described — I just described

  • to you, Mr. President — I just described to you precisely how I’d do it which is

  • with a single number that people can putand they can put theyretheyre deductions

  • and credits… (CROSSTALK)

  • CROWLEY: Mr. President, were keeping track, I promise you. And Mr. President, the next

  • question is for you, so stay standing. OBAMA: Great. Looking forward to it.

  • And it’s Katherine Fenton, who has a question for you.

  • QUESTION: In what new ways to you intend to rectify the inequalities in the workplace,

  • specifically regarding females making only 72 percent of what their male counterparts

  • earn? OBAMA: Well, Katherine, that’s a great question.

  • And, you know, I was raised by a single mom who had to put herself through school while

  • looking after two kids. And she worked hard every day and made a lot of sacrifices to

  • make sure we got everything we needed. My grandmother, she started off as a secretary

  • in a bank. She never got a college education, even though she was smart as a whip. And she

  • worked her way up to become a vice president of a local bank, but she hit the glass ceiling.

  • She trained people who would end up becoming her bosses during the course of her career.

  • She didn’t complain. That’s not what you did in that generation. And this is one of

  • the reasons why one of the firstthe first bill I signed was something called the Lily

  • Ledbetter bill. And it’s named after this amazing woman who had been doing the same

  • job as a man for years, found out that she was getting paid less, and the Supreme Court

  • said that she couldn’t bring suit because she should have found about it earlier, whereas

  • she had no way of finding out about it. So we fixed that. And that’s an example of

  • the kind of advocacy that we need, because women are increasingly the breadwinners in

  • the family. This is not just a women’s issue, this is a family issue, this is a middle-class

  • issue, and that’s why weve got to fight for it.

  • It also means that weve got to make sure that young people like yourself are able to

  • afford a college education. Earlier, Governor Romney talked about he wants to make Pell

  • Grants and other education accessible for young people.

  • Well, the truth of the matter is, is that that’s exactly what weve done. Weve

  • expanded Pell Grants for millions of people, including millions of young women, all across

  • the country. We did it by taking $60 billion that was going

  • to banks and lenders as middlemen for the student loan program, and we said, let’s

  • just cut out the middleman. Let’s give the money directly to students.

  • And as a consequence, weve seen millions of young people be able to afford college,

  • and that’s going to make sure that young women are going to be able to compete in that

  • marketplace. But weve got to enforce the laws, which

  • is what we are doing, and weve also got to make sure that in every walk of life we

  • do not tolerate discrimination. That’s been one of the hallmarks of my administration.

  • I’m going to continue to push on this issue for the next four years.

  • CROWLEY: Governor Romney, pay equity for women? ROMNEY: Thank you. And important topic, and

  • one which I learned a great deal about, particularly as I was serving as governor of my state,

  • because I had the chance to pull together a cabinet and all the applicants seemed to

  • be men. And I — and I went to my staff, and I said,

  • How come all the people for these jobs areare all men.” They said, “Well,

  • these are the people that have the qualifications.” And I said, “Well, gosh, can’t wecan’t

  • we find somesome women that are also qualified?”

  • ROMNEY: Andand so wewe took a concerted effort to go out and find women who had backgrounds

  • that could be qualified to become members of our cabinet.

  • I went to a number of women’s groups and said, “Can you help us find folks,” and

  • they brought us whole binders full of women. I was proud of the fact that after I staffed

  • my Cabinet and my senior staff, that the University of New York in Albany did a survey of all

  • 50 states, and concluded that mine had more women in senior leadership positions than

  • any other state in America. Now one of the reasons I was able to get so

  • many good women to be part of that team was because of our recruiting effort. But number

  • two, because I recognized that if youre going to have women in the workforce that

  • sometimes you need to be more flexible. My chief of staff, for instance, had two kids

  • that were still in school. She said, I can’t be here until 7 or 8 o’clock

  • at night. I need to be able to get home at 5 o’clock so I can be there for making dinner

  • for my kids and being with them when they get home from school. So we said fine. Let’s

  • have a flexible schedule so you can have hours that work for you.

  • Were going to have to have employers in the new economy, in the economy I’m going

  • to bring to play, that are going to be so anxious to get good workers theyre going

  • to be anxious to hire women. In thein the last women have lost 580,000 jobs. That’s

  • the net of what’s happened in the last four years. Were still down 580,000 jobs. I

  • mentioned 31/2 million women, more now in poverty than four years ago.

  • What we can do to help young women and women of all ages is to have a strong economy, so

  • strong that employers that are looking to find good employees and bringing them into

  • their workforce and adapting to a flexible work schedule that gives women opportunities

  • that they would otherwise not be able to afford. This is what I have done. It’s what I look

  • forward to doing and I know what it takes to make an economy work, and I know what a

  • working economy looks like. And an economy with 7.8 percent unemployment is not a real

  • strong economy. An economy that has 23 million people looking for work is not a strong economy.

  • An economy with 50 percent of kids graduating from college that can’t finds a job, or

  • a college level job, that’s not what we have to have. CROWLEY: Governor?

  • ROMNEY: I’m going to help women in America get good work by getting a stronger economy

  • and by supporting women in the workforce. CROWLEY: Mr. President why don’t you get

  • in on this quickly, please? OBAMA: Katherine, I just want to point out

  • that when Governor Romney’s campaign was asked about the Lilly Ledbetter bill, whether

  • he supported it? He said, “I’ll get back to you.” And that’s not the kind of advocacy

  • that women need in any economy. Now, there are some other issues that have a bearing

  • on how women succeed in the workplace. For example, their healthcare. You know a major

  • difference in this campaign is that Governor Romney feels comfortable having politicians

  • in Washington decide the health care choices that women are making.

  • I think that’s a mistake. In my health care bill, I said insurance companies need to provide

  • contraceptive coverage to everybody who is insured. Because this is not just a — a

  • health issue, it’s an economic issue for women. It makes a difference. This is money

  • out of that family’s pocket. Governor Romney not only opposed it, he suggested that in

  • fact employers should be able to make the decision as to whether or not a woman gets

  • contraception through her insurance coverage. That’s not the kind of advocacy that women

  • need. When Governor Romney says that we should eliminate funding for Planned Parenthood,

  • there are millions of women all across the country, who rely on Planned Parenthood for,

  • not just contraceptive care, they rely on it for mammograms, for cervical cancer screenings.

  • That’s a pocketbook issue for women and families all across the country. And it makes

  • a difference in terms of how well and effectively women are able to work. When we talk about

  • child care, and the credits that were providing. That makes a difference in whether they can

  • go out there andand earn a living for their family.

  • These are not just women’s issues. These are family issues. These are economic issues.

  • And one of the things that makes us grow as an economy is when everybody participates

  • and women are getting the same fair deal as men are.

  • CROWLEY: Mr. PresidentOBAMA: And I’ve got two daughters and I

  • want to make sure that they have the same opportunities that anybody’s sons have.

  • That’s part of what I’m fighting for as president of the United States.

  • CROWLEY: I want to move us along here to Susan Katz, who has a question.

  • And, Governor, it’s for you. QUESTION: Governor Romney, I am an undecided voter, because I’m

  • disappointed with the lack of progress I’ve seen in the last four years. However, I do

  • attribute much of America’s economic and international problems to the failings and

  • missteps of the Bush administration. Since both you and President Bush are Republicans,

  • I fear a return to the policies of those years should you win this election. What is the

  • biggest difference between you and George W. Bush, and how do you differentiate yourself

  • from George W. Bush? ROMNEY: Thank you. And I appreciate that question.

  • I just want to make sure that, I think I was supposed to get that last answer, but I want

  • to point out that that I don’t believeOBAMA: I don’t think so, Candy.

  • ROMNEY: … I don’t believeOBAMA: I want to make sure our timekeepers

  • are working here. ROMNEY: The timethe time

  • CROWLEY: OK. The timekeepers are all working. And let me tell you that the last part, it’s

  • for the two of you to talk to one another, and it isn’t quite as (inaudible) you think.

  • But go ahead and use this two minutes any way you’d like to, the question is on the

  • floor. ROMNEY: I’d just note that I don’t believe

  • that bureaucrats in Washington should tell someone whether they can use contraceptives

  • or not. And I don’t believe employers should tell someone whether they could have contraceptive

  • care of not. Every woman in America should have access to contraceptives. Andand

  • theand the president’s statement of my policy is completely and totally wrong.

  • OBAMA: GovernorROMNEY: Let me come back andand answer

  • your question. President Bush and I areare different

  • people and these are different times and that’s why my five point plan is so different than

  • what he would have done. I mean for instance, we can now, by virtue

  • of new technology actually get all the energy we need in North America without having to

  • go to thethe Arabs or the Venezuelans or anyone else. That wasn’t true in his

  • time, that’s why my policy starts with a very robust policy to get all that energy

  • in North Americabecome energy secure. Number two, trade — I’ll crack down on

  • China, President Bush didn’t. I’m also going to dramatically expand trade in Latin

  • America. It’s been growing about 12 percent per year over a long period of time. I want

  • to add more free trade agreements so well have more trade.

  • Number three, I’m going to get us to a balanced budget. President Bush didn’t. President

  • Obama was right, he said that that was outrageous to have deficits as high as half a trillion

  • dollars under the Bush years. He was right, but then he put in place deficits twice that

  • size for every one of his four years. And his forecast for the next four years is more

  • deficits, almost that large. So that’s the next area I’m different than President Bush.

  • And then let’s take the last one, championing small business. Our party has been focused

  • too long. I came through small business. I understand how hard it is to start a small

  • business. That’s why everything I’ll do is designed to help small businesses grow

  • and add jobs. I want to keep their taxes down on small business. I want regulators to see

  • their job as encouraging small enterprise, not crushing it.

  • And the thing I find the most troubling about Obama Care, well it’s a long list, but one

  • of the things I find most troubling is that when you go out and talk to small businesses

  • and ask them what they think about it, they tell you it keeps them from hiring more people.

  • My priority is jobs. I know how to make that happen. And President Bush has a very different

  • path for a very different time. My path is designed in getting small businesses to grow

  • and hire people. CROWLEY: Thanks, Governor.

  • Mr. President? OBAMA: Well, first of all, I think it’s

  • important to tell you that we did come in during some tough times. We were losing 800,000

  • jobs a month when I started. But we had been digging our way out of policies that were

  • misplaced and focused on the top doing very well and middle class folks not doing well.

  • Now, weve seen 30 consecutive — 31 consecutive months of job growth; 5.2 million new jobs

  • created. And the plans that I talked about will create even more. But when Governor Romney

  • says that he has a very different economic plan, the centerpiece of his economic plan

  • are tax cuts. That’s what took us from surplus to deficit. When he talks about getting tough

  • on China, keep in mind that Governor Romney invested in companies that were pioneers of

  • outsourcing to China, and is currently investing in countriesin companies that are building

  • surveillance equipment for China to spy on its own folks.

  • That’s — Governor, youre the last person who’s going to get tough on China. And what

  • weve done when it comes to trade is not only sign three trade deals to open up new

  • markets, but weve also set up a task force for trade that goes after anybody who is taking

  • advantage of American workers or businesses and not creating a level playing field. Weve

  • brought twice as many cases against unfair trading practices than the previous administration

  • and weve won every single one that’s been decided.

  • When I said that we had to make sure that China was not flooding our domestic market

  • with cheap tires, Governor Romney said I was being protectionist; that it wouldn’t be

  • helpful to American workers. Well, in fact we saved 1,000 jobs. And that’s the kind

  • of tough trade actions that are required. But the last point I want to make is this.

  • You know, there are some things where Governor Romney is different from George Bush. George

  • Bush didn’t propose turning Medicare into a voucher. George Bush embraced comprehensive

  • immigration reform. He didn’t call for self-deportation. George Bush never suggested that we eliminate

  • funding for Planned Parenthood, so there are differences between Governor Romney and George

  • Bush, but theyre not on economic policy. In some ways, he’s gone to a more extreme

  • place when it comes to social policy. And I think that’s a mistake. That’s not how

  • were going to move our economy forward. CROWLEY: I want to move you both along to

  • the next question, because it’s in the same wheelhouse, so you will be able to respond.

  • But the president does get this question. I want to call on Michael Jones.

  • QUESTION: Mr. President, I voted for you in 2008. What have you done or accomplished to

  • earn my vote in 2012? I’m not that optimistic as I was in 2012. Most things I need for everyday

  • living are very expensive. OBAMA: Well, weve gone through a tough

  • four years. There’s no doubt about it. But four years ago, I told the American people

  • and I told you I would cut taxes for middle class families. And I did. I told you I’d

  • cut taxes for small businesses, and I have. I said that I’d end the war in Iraq, and

  • I did. I said we’d refocus attention on those who actually attacked us on 9/11, and

  • we have gone after Al Qaeda’s leadership like never before and Osama bin Laden is dead.

  • OBAMA: I said that we would put in place health care reform to make sure that insurance companies

  • can’t jerk you around and if you don’t have health insurance, that you’d have a

  • chance to get affordable insurance, and I have.

  • I committed that I would rein in the excesses of Wall Street, and we passed the toughest

  • Wall Street reforms since the 1930s. Weve created five million jobs, and gone from 800

  • jobs a month being lost, and we are making progress. We saved an auto industry that was

  • on the brink of collapse. Now, does that mean youre not struggling?

  • Absolutely not. A lot of us are. And that’s why the plan that I’ve put forward for manufacturing

  • and education, and reducing our deficit in a sensible way, using the savings from ending

  • wars, to rebuild America and putting people back to work. Making sure that we are controlling

  • our own energy, but not only the energy of today, but also the energy of the future.

  • All of those things will make a difference, so the point is the commitments I’ve made,

  • I’ve kept. And those that I haven’t been able to keep,

  • it’s not for lack of trying and were going to get it done in a second term. But,

  • you should pay attention to this campaign, because Governor Romney has made some commitments

  • as well. And I suspect hell keep those too. You know when members of the Republican

  • Congress say, “Were going to sign a no tax pledge, so that we don’t ask a dime

  • for millionaires and billionaires to reduce our deficit so we can still invest in education,

  • and helping kids go to college. He said, “Me too.”

  • When they said, “Were going to cut Planned Parenthood funding.” He said, “Me too.”

  • When he said, “Were going to repeal Obamacare. First thing I’m going to do,” despite

  • the fact that it’s the same health care plan that he passed in Massachusetts and is

  • working well. He said, “Me too.” That is not the kind of leadership that you need,

  • but you should expect that those are promises he’s going to keep.

  • (CROSSTALK) CROWLEY: Mr. President, let me let

  • (CROSSTALK) OBAMA: …the choice in this election is going

  • to be whose promises are going to be more likely to help you in your life? Make sure

  • your kids can go to college. Make sure that you are getting a good paying job, making

  • sure that Medicare and Social Security… (CROSSTALK)

  • CROWLEY: Mr. President. Thank you. (CROSSTALK)

  • OBAMA: …will be there for you. CROWLEY: Thank you. Governor?

  • ROMNEY: I think you know better. I think you know that these last four years haven’t

  • been so good as the president just described and that you don’t feel like your confident

  • that the next four years are going to be much better either.

  • I can tell you that if you were to elect President Obama, you know what youre going to get.

  • Youre going to get a repeat of the last four years. We just can’t afford four more

  • years like the last four years. He said that by now we’d have unemployment

  • at 5.4 percent. The difference between where it is and 5.4 percent is 9 million Americans

  • without work. I wasn’t the one that said 5.4 percent.

  • This was the president’s plan. Didn’t get there.

  • He said he would have by now put forward a plan to reform Medicare and Social Security,

  • because he pointed out theyre on the road to bankruptcy. He would reform them. He’d

  • get that done. He hasn’t even made a proposal on either one.

  • He said in his first year he’d put out an immigration plan that would deal with our

  • immigration challenges. Didn’t even file it.

  • This is a president who has not been able to do what he said he’d do. He said that

  • he’d cut in half the deficit. He hasn’t done that either. In fact, he doubled it.

  • He said that by now middle-income families would have a reduction in their health insurance

  • premiums by $2,500 a year. It’s gone up by $2,500 a year. And if Obamacare is passed,

  • or implementedit’s already been passedif it’s implemented fully, itll be

  • another $2,500 on top. ROMNEY: The middle class is getting crushed

  • under the policies of a president who has not understood what it takes to get the economy

  • working again. He keeps saying, “Look, I’ve created 5 million jobs.” That’s after

  • losing 5 million jobs. The entire record is such that the unemployment has not been reduced

  • in this country. The unemployment, the number of people who are still looking for work,

  • is still 23 million Americans. There are more people in poverty, one out

  • of six people in poverty. How about food stamps? When he took office,

  • 32 million people were on food stamps. Today, 47 million people are on food stamps. How

  • about the growth of the economy? It’s growing more slowly this year than last year, and

  • more slowly last year than the year before. The president wants to do well. I understand.

  • But the policies he’s put in place from Obamacare to Dodd-Frank to his tax policies

  • to his regulatory policies, these policies combined have not let this economy take off

  • and grow like it could have. You might say, “Well, you got an example

  • of one that worked better?” Yeah, in the Reagan recession where unemployment hit 10.8

  • percent, between that periodthe end of that recession and the equivalent of time

  • to today, Ronald Reagan’s recovery created twice as many jobs as this president’s recovery.

  • Five million jobs doesn’t even keep up with our population growth. And the only reason

  • the unemployment rate seems a little lower today is because of all the people that have

  • dropped out of the workforce. The president has tried, but his policies

  • haven’t worked. He’s great as a — as a — as a speaker and describing his plans

  • and his vision. That’s wonderful, except we have a record to look at. And that record

  • shows he just hasn’t been able to cut the deficit, to put in place reforms for Medicare

  • and Social Security to preserve them, to get us the rising incomes we need. Median income

  • is down $4,300 a family and 23 million Americans out of work. That’s what this election is

  • about. It’s about who can get the middle class in this country a bright and prosperous

  • future and assure our kids the kind of hope and optimism they deserve.

  • CROWLEY: Governor, I want to move you along. Don’t — don’t go away, and well have

  • plenty of time to respond. We are quite aware of the clock for both of you. But I want to

  • bring in a different subject here. Mr. President, I’ll be right back with you.

  • Lorraine Osorio has a question for you about a topic we have not

  • OBAMA: This is for Governor Romney? CROWLEY: It’s for Governor Romney, and well

  • be right with you, Mr. President. Thanks. ROMNEY: Is it Loraina?

  • QUESTION: Lorraine. ROMNEY: Lorraine?

  • QUESTION: Yes, Lorraine. ROMNEY: Lorraine.

  • QUESTION: How you doing? ROMNEY: Good, thanks.

  • QUESTION: Mr. Romney, what do you plan on doing with immigrants without their green

  • cards that are currently living here as productive members of society?

  • ROMNEY: Thank you. Lorraine? Did I get that right? Good. Thank you for your question.

  • And let me step back and tell you what I would like to do with our immigration policy broadly

  • and include an answer to your question. But first of all, this is a nation of immigrants.

  • We welcome people coming to this country as immigrants. My dad was born in Mexico of American

  • parents; Ann’s dad was born in Wales and is a first-generation American. We welcome

  • legal immigrants into this country. I want our legal system to work better. I

  • want it to be streamlined. I want it to be clearer. I don’t think you have toshouldn’t

  • have to hire a lawyer to figure out how to get into this country legally. I also think

  • that we should give visas to peoplegreen cards, rather, to people who graduate with

  • skills that we need. People around the world with accredited degrees in science and math

  • get a green card stapled to their diploma, come to the U.S. of A. We should make sure

  • our legal system works. Number two, were going to have to stop

  • illegal immigration. There are 4 million people who are waiting in line to get here legally.

  • Those whove come here illegally take their place. So I will not grant amnesty to those

  • who have come here illegally. What I will do is I’ll put in place an employment

  • verification system and make sure that employers that hire people who have come here illegally

  • are sanctioned for doing so. I won’t put in place magnets for people coming here illegally.

  • So for instance, I would not give driver’s licenses to those that have come here illegally

  • as the president would. The kids of those that came here illegally,

  • those kids, I think, should have a pathway to become a permanent resident of the United

  • States and military service, for instance, is one way they would have that kind of pathway

  • to become a permanent resident. ROMNEY: Now when the president ran for office,

  • he said that he’d put in place, in his first year, a piece of legislationhe’d file

  • a bill in his first year that would reform ourour immigration system, protect legal

  • immigration, stop illegal immigration. He didn’t do it.

  • He had a Democrat House, a Democrat Senate, super majority in both Houses. Why did he

  • fail to even promote legislation that would have provided an answer for those that want

  • to come legally and for those that are here illegally today? What’s a question I think

  • thethe president will have a chance to answer right now.

  • OBAMA: Good, I look forward to it. WasLorrannaLorrainewe are a

  • nation of immigrants. I mean were just a few miles away from Ellis Island. We all

  • understand what this country has become because talent from all around the world wants to

  • come here. People are willing to take risks. People who want to build on their dreams and

  • make sure their kids have an even bigger dreams than they have.

  • But were also a nation of laws. So what I’ve said is we need to fix a broken immigration

  • system and I’ve done everything that I can on my own and sought cooperation from Congress

  • to make sure that we fix the system. The first thing we did was to streamline the

  • legal immigration system, to reduce the backlog, make it easier, simpler and cheaper for people

  • who are waiting in line, obeying the law to make sure that they can come here and contribute

  • to our country and that’s good for our economic growth.

  • Theyll start new businesses. Theyll make things happen to create jobs here in

  • the United States. Number two, we do have to deal with our border

  • so we put more border patrol on theany time in history and the flow of undocumented

  • works across the border is actually lower than it’s been in 40 years.

  • What I’ve also said is if were going to go after folks who are here illegally,

  • we should do it smartly and go after folks who are criminals, gang bangers, people who

  • are hurting the community, not after students, not after folks who are here just because

  • theyre trying to figure out how to feed their families. And that’s what weve

  • done. And what I’ve also said is for young people who come here, brought here often times

  • by their parents. Had gone to school here, pledged allegiance to the flag. Think of this

  • as their country. Understand themselves as Americans in every way except having papers.

  • And we should make sure that we give them a pathway to citizenship.

  • And that’s what I’ve done administratively. Now, Governor Romney just said, you know he

  • wants to help those young people too, but during the Republican primary, he said, “I

  • will veto the DREAM Act”, that would allow these young people to have access.” His

  • main strategy during the Republican primary was to say, “Were going to encourage

  • self-deportation.” Making life so miserable on folks that theyll leave. He called the

  • Arizona law a model for the nation. Part of the Arizona law said that law enforcement

  • officers could stop folks because they suspected maybe they looked like they might be undocumented

  • workers and check their papers. You know what? If my daughter or yours looks

  • to somebody like theyre not a citizen, I don’t want — I don’t want to empower

  • somebody like that. So, we can fix this system in a comprehensive way. And when Governor

  • Romney says, the challenge is, “Well Obama didn’t try.” That’s not true. I have

  • sat down with Democrats and Republicans at the beginning of my term. And I said, let’s

  • fix this system. Including Senators previously who had supported it on the Republican side.

  • But it’s very hard for Republican’s in Congress to support comprehensive immigration

  • reform, if their standard bearer has said that, this is not something I’m interested

  • in supporting. CROWLEY: Let me get the governor in here,

  • Mr. President. Let’s speak to, if you couldROMNEY: Yes.

  • CROWLEY: …the idea of self-deportation? ROMNEY: No, letletlet me go back

  • and speak to the points that the president made andandand let’s get them

  • correct. I did not say that the Arizona law was a model

  • for the nation in that aspect. I said that the E-Verify portion of the Arizona law, which

  • iswhich is the portion of the law which says that employers could be able to determine

  • whether someone is here illegally or not illegally, that that was a model for the nation. That’s

  • number one. Number two, I asked the president a question

  • I think Hispanics and immigrants all over the nation have asked. He was asked this on

  • Univision the other day. Why, when you said you’d filed legislation in your first year

  • didn’t you do it? And he didn’t answer. Hehe doesn’t answer that question.

  • He said the standard bearer wasn’t for it. I’m glad you thought I was a standard bearer

  • four years ago, but I wasn’t. Four years ago you said in your first year

  • you would file legislation. In his first year, I was just gettinglicking

  • my wounds from having been beaten by John McCain, all right. I was not the standard

  • bearer. Mymy view is that this president should

  • have honored his promise to do as he said. Now, let me mention one other thing, and that

  • is self-deportation says let people make their own choice. What I was saying is, were

  • not going to round up 12 million people, undocumented illegals, and take them out of the nation.

  • Instead let people make their own choice. And if theyif they find thatthat

  • they can’t get the benefits here that they want and they can’t — and they can’t

  • find the job they want, then theyll make a decision to go a place wherewhere they

  • have better opportunities. But I’m not in favor of rounding up people

  • andandand taking them out of this country. I am in favor, as the president has

  • said, and I agree with him, which is that if people have committed crimes we got to

  • get them out of this country. ROMNEY: Let me mention something else the

  • president said. It was a moment ago and I didn’t get a chance to, when he was describing

  • Chinese investments and so forth. OBAMA: Candy?

  • Hold on a second. TheROMNEY: Mr. President, I’m still speaking.

  • (CROSSTALK) ROMNEY: Mr. President, let me finish.

  • (CROSSTALK) ROMNEY: I’ve gotta continue.

  • (CROSSTALK) CROWLEY: Governor Romney, you can make it

  • short. See all these people? Theyve been waiting for you. (inaudible) make it short

  • (inaudible). ROMNEY: Just going to make a point. Any investments

  • I have over the last eight years have been managed by a blind trust. And I understand

  • they do include investments outside the United States, including inin Chinese companies.

  • Mr. President, have you looked at your pension? Have you looked at your pension?

  • OBAMA: I’ve got to sayROMNEY: Mr. President, have you looked at

  • your pension? OBAMA: You know, I — I don’t look at my

  • pension. It’s not as big as yours so it doesn’t take as long.

  • ROMNEY: Well, let me give you some advice. OBAMA: I don’t check it that often.

  • ROMNEY: Let me give you some advice. Look at your pension. You also have investments

  • in Chinese companies. You also have investments outside the United States. You also have investments

  • through a Cayman’s trust. (CROSSTALK)

  • CROWLEY: Were way off topic here, Governor Romney.

  • (CROSSTALK) OBAMA: I thought we were talking about immigration.

  • (CROSSTALK) OBAMA: I do want to make sure that

  • CROWLEY: If I could have you sit down, Governor Romney. Thank you.

  • OBAMA: I do want to make sure that — I do want to make sure that we just understand

  • something. Governor Romney says he wasn’t referring to Arizona as a model for the nation.

  • His top adviser on immigration is the guy who designed the Arizona law, the entirety

  • of it; not E-Verify, the whole thing. That’s his policy. And it’s a bad policy. And it

  • won’t help us grow. Look, when we think about immigration, we

  • have to understand there are folks all around the world who still see America as the land

  • of promise. And they provide us energy and they provide us innovation and they start

  • companies like Intel and Google. And we want to encourage that.

  • Now, weve got to make sure that we do it in a smart way and a comprehensive way, and

  • we make the legal system better. But when we make this into a divisive political issue,

  • and when we don’t have bipartisan support — I can deliver, Governor, a whole bunch

  • of Democrats to get comprehensive immigration reform done, and we can’t…

  • ROMNEY: I’ll get it done. I’ll get it done. First year

  • OBAMA: … we can’t — we have not seen Republicans serious about this issue at all.

  • And it’s time for them to get serious on it.

  • CROWLEY: Mr. President, let me move you on here please. Mr. President, (inaudible).

  • OBAMA: This used to be a bipartisan issue. (CROSSTALK)

  • CROWLEY: Don’t go away, thoughright. Don’t go away because I — I want you to

  • talk to Kerry Ladka who wants to switch the topic for us.

  • OBAMA: OK. Hi, Kerry.

  • QUESTION: Good evening, Mr. President. OBAMA: I’m sorry. What’s your name?

  • QUESTION: It’s Kerry, Kerry Ladka. OBAMA: Great to see you.

  • QUESTION: This question actually comes from a brain trust of my friends at Global Telecom

  • Supply (ph) in Minneola yesterday. OBAMA: Ah.

  • QUESTION: We were sitting around, talking about Libya, and we were reading and became

  • aware of reports that the State Department refused extra security for our embassy in

  • Benghazi, Libya, prior to the attacks that killed four Americans.

  • Who was it that denied enhanced security and why?

  • OBAMA: Well, let me first of all talk about our diplomats, because they serve all around

  • the world and do an incredible job in a very dangerous situation. And these aren’t just

  • representatives of the United States, they are my representatives. I send them there,

  • oftentimes into harm’s way. I know these folks and I know their families. So nobody

  • is more concerned about their safety and security than I am.

  • So as soon as we found out that the Benghazi consulate was being overrun, I was on the

  • phone with my national security team and I gave them three instructions.

  • Number one, beef up our security and procedures, not just in Libya, but at every embassy and

  • consulate in the region. Number two, investigate exactly what happened,

  • regardless of where the facts lead us, to make sure folks are held accountable and it

  • doesn’t happen again. And number three, we are going to find out

  • who did this and were going to hunt them down, because one of the things that I’ve

  • said throughout my presidency is when folks mess with Americans, we go after them.

  • OBAMA: Now Governor Romney had a very different response. While we were still dealing with

  • our diplomats being threatened, Governor Romney put out a press release, trying to make political

  • points, and that’s not how a commander in chief operates. You don’t turn national

  • security into a political issue. Certainly not right when it’s happening. And people

  • not everybody agrees with some of the decisions I’ve made. But when it comes to

  • our national security, I mean what I say. I said I’d end the war in Libyainin

  • Iraq, and I did. I said that we’d go after al-Qaeda and bin

  • Laden, we have. I said we’d transition out of Afghanistan, and start making sure that

  • Afghans are responsible for their own security, that’s what I’m doing. And when it comes

  • to this issue, when I say that we are going to find out exactly what happened, everybody

  • will be held accountable. And I am ultimately responsible for what’s taking place there

  • because these are my folks, and I’m the one who has to greet those coffins when they

  • come home. You know that I mean what I say. CROWLEY: Mr. President, I’m going to move

  • us along. Governor? ROMNEY: Thank you Kerry for your question,

  • it’s an important one. Andand I — I think the president just said correctly that

  • the buck does stop at his desk andand he takes responsibility forfor thatfor

  • the failure in providing those security resources, andand those terrible things may well

  • happen from time to time. I — I’m — I feel very deeply sympathetic for the families

  • of those who lost loved ones. And today there’s a memorial service for one of those that was

  • lost in this tragedy. Wewe think of their families and care for them deeply. There were

  • other issues associated with thiswith this tragedy. There were many days that passed

  • before we knew whether this was a spontaneous demonstration, or actually whether it was

  • a terrorist attack. ROMNEY: And there was no demonstration involved.

  • It was a terrorist attack and it took a long time for that to be told to the American people.

  • Whether there was some misleading, or instead whether we just didn’t know what happened,

  • you have to ask yourself why didn’t we know five days later when the ambassador to the

  • United Nations went on TV to say that this was a demonstration. How could we have not

  • known? But I find more troubling than this, that

  • onon the day following the assassination of the United States ambassador, the first

  • time that’s happened since 1979, whenwhen we have four Americans killed there, when

  • apparently we didn’t know what happened, that the president, the day after that happened,

  • flies to Las Vegas for a political fund-raiser, then the next day to Colorado for another

  • event, other political event. I think thesethese actions taken by a

  • president and a leader have symbolic significance and perhaps even material significance in

  • that you’d hope that during that time we could call in the people who were actually

  • eyewitnesses. Weve read their accounts now about what happened. It was very clear

  • this was not a demonstration. This was an attack by terrorists.

  • And this calls into question the president’s whole policy in the Middle East. Look what’s

  • happening in Syria, in Egypt, now in Libya. Consider the distance between ourselves and

  • and Israel, the president said thatthat he was going to put daylight between us and

  • Israel. We have Iran four years closer to a nuclear

  • bomb. SyriaSyria’s not just a tragedy of 30,000 civilians being killed by a military,

  • but also a strategicstrategically significant player for America.

  • The president’s policies throughout the Middle East began with an apology tour and

  • andand pursue a strategy of leading from behind, and this strategy is unraveling

  • before our very eyes. CROWLEY: Because werewere closing

  • in, I want to still get a lot of people in. I want to ask you something, Mr. President,

  • and then have the governor just quickly. Your secretary of state, as I’m sure you

  • know, has said that she takes full responsibility for the attack on the diplomatic mission in

  • Benghazi. Does the buck stop with your secretary of state as far as what went on here?

  • OBAMA: Secretary Clinton has done an extraordinary job. But she works for me. I’m the president

  • and I’m always responsible, and that’s why nobody’s more interested in finding

  • out exactly what happened than I do. The day after the attack, governor, I stood

  • in the Rose Garden and I told the American people in the world that we are going to find

  • out exactly what happened. That this was an act of terror and I also said that were

  • going to hunt down those who committed this crime.

  • And then a few days later, I was there greeting the caskets coming into Andrews Air Force

  • Base and grieving with the families. And the suggestion that anybody in my team,

  • whether the Secretary of State, our U.N. Ambassador, anybody on my team would play politics or

  • mislead when weve lost four of our own, governor, is offensive. That’s not what

  • we do. That’s not what I do as president, that’s not what I do as Commander in Chief.

  • CROWLEY: Governor, if you want toROMNEY: Yes, I — I…

  • CROWLEY: … quickly to this please. ROMNEY: I — I think interesting the president

  • just said something whichwhich is that on the day after the attack he went into the

  • Rose Garden and said that this was an act of terror.

  • OBAMA: That’s what I said. ROMNEY: You said in the Rose Garden the day

  • after the attack, it was an act of terror. It was not a spontaneous demonstration, is

  • that what youre saying? OBAMA: Please proceed governor.

  • ROMNEY: I want to make sure we get that for the record because it took the president 14

  • days before he called the attack in Benghazi an act of terror.

  • OBAMA: Get the transcript. CROWLEY: Ititithe did in fact,

  • sir. So let melet me call it an act of terror

  • OBAMA: Can you say that a little louder, Candy? CROWLEY: Hehe did call it an act of terror.

  • It did as well takeit did as well take two weeks or so for the whole idea there being

  • a riot out there about this tape to come out. You are correct about that.

  • ROMNEY: Thisthe administrationthe administration indicated this was a reaction

  • to a video and was a spontaneous reaction. CROWLEY: It did.

  • ROMNEY: It took them a long time to say this was a terrorist act by a terrorist group.

  • And to suggestam I incorrect in that regard, on Sunday, theyour secretary

  • OBAMA: Candy?

  • ROMNEY: Excuse me. The ambassador of the United Nations went on the Sunday television shows

  • and spoke about howOBAMA: Candy, I’m –

  • ROMNEY: — this was a spontaneousCROWLEY: Mr. President, let me

  • OBAMA: I’m happy to have a longer conversation

  • CROWLEY: I know youOBAMA: — about foreign policy.

  • CROWLEY: Absolutely. But I want to — I want to move you on and also

  • OBAMA: OK. I’m happy to do that, too. CROWLEY: — the transcripts and

  • OBAMA: I just want to make sure thatCROWLEY: — figure out what we

  • OBAMA: — all of these wonderful folks are going to have a chance to get some of their

  • questions answered. CROWLEY: Because what I — what I want to

  • do, Mr. President, stand there a second, because I want to introduce you to Nina Gonzalez,

  • who brought up a question that we hear a lot, both over the Internet and from this crowd.

  • QUESTION: President Obama, during the Democratic National Convention in 2008, you stated you

  • wanted to keep AK-47s out of the hands of criminals. What has your administration done

  • or planned to do to limit the availability of assault weapons?

  • OBAMA: Were a nation that believes in the Second Amendment, and I believe in the Second

  • Amendment. Weve got a long tradition of hunting and sportsmen and people who want

  • to make sure they can protect themselves. But there have been too many instances during

  • the course of my presidency, where I’ve had to comfort families who have lost somebody.

  • Most recently out in Aurora. You know, just a couple of weeks ago, actually, probably

  • about a month, I saw a mother, who I had met at the bedside of her son, who had been shot

  • in that theater. And her son had been shot through the head.

  • And we spent some time, and we said a prayer and, remarkably, about two months later, this

  • young man and his mom showed up, and he looked unbelievable, good as new.

  • But there were a lot of families who didn’t have that good fortune and whose sons or daughters

  • or husbands didn’t survive. So my belief is that, (A), we have to enforce

  • the laws weve already got, make sure that were keeping guns out of the hands of criminals,

  • those who are mentally ill. Weve done a much better job in terms of background checks,

  • but weve got more to do when it comes to enforcement.

  • But I also share your belief that weapons that were designed for soldiers in war theaters

  • don’t belong on our streets. And so what I’m trying to do is to get a broader conversation

  • about how do we reduce the violence generally. Part of it is seeing if we can get an assault

  • weapons ban reintroduced. But part of it is also looking at other sources of the violence.

  • Because frankly, in my home town of Chicago, there’s an awful lot of violence and theyre

  • not using AK-47s. Theyre using cheap hand guns.

  • And so what can we do to intervene, to make sure that young people have opportunity; that

  • our schools are working; that if there’s violence on the streets, that working with

  • faith groups and law enforcement, we can catch it before it gets out of control.

  • And so what I want is a — is a comprehensive strategy. Part of it is seeing if we can get

  • automatic weapons that kill folks in amazing numbers out of the hands of criminals and

  • the mentally ill. But part of it is also going deeper and seeing if we can get into these

  • communities and making sure we catch violent impulses before they occur.

  • CROWLEY: Governor Romney, the question is about assault weapons, AK-47s.

  • ROMNEY: Yeah, I’m not in favor of new pieces of legislation onon guns and taking guns

  • away or making certain guns illegal. We, of course, don’t want to have automatic weapons,

  • and that’s already illegal in this country to have automatic weapons. What I believe

  • is we have to do, as the president mentioned towards the end of his remarks there, which

  • is to make enormous efforts to enforce the gun laws that we have, and to change the culture

  • of violence that we have. And you ask howhow are we going to do

  • that? And there are a number of things. He mentioned good schools. I totally agree. We

  • were able to drive our schools to be number one in the nation in my state. And I believe

  • if we do a better job in education, wellwell give people thethe hope and

  • opportunity they deserve and perhaps less violence from that. But let me mention another

  • thing. And that is parents. We need moms and dads, helping to raise kids. Wherever possible

  • thethe benefit of having two parents in the home, and that’s not always possible.

  • A lot of great single moms, single dads. But gosh to tell our kids that before they have

  • babies, they ought to think about getting married to someone, that’s a great idea.

  • Because if there’s a two parent family, the prospect of living in poverty goes down

  • dramatically. The opportunities that the child willwill be able to achieve increase

  • dramatically. So we can make changes in the way our culture works to help bring people

  • away from violence and give them opportunity, and bring them in the American system. The

  • the greatest failure weve had with regards toto gun violence in some respects

  • is whatwhat is known as Fast and Furious. Which was a program under this administration,

  • and how it worked exactly I think we don’t know precisely, where thousands of automatic,

  • and AK-47 type weapons werewere given to people that ultimately gave them toto

  • drug lords. They used those weapons againstagainst

  • their own citizens and killed Americans with them. And this was a — this was a program

  • of the government. For what purpose it was put in place, I can’t imagine. But it’s

  • one of the great tragedies related to violence in our society which has occurred during this

  • administration. Which I think the American people would like to understand fully, it’s

  • been investigated to a degree, butbut the administration has carried out executive

  • privilege to prevent all of the information from coming out.

  • I’d like to understand who it was that did this, what the idea was behind it, why it

  • led to the violence, thousands of guns going to Mexican drug lords. OBAMA: Candy?

  • CROWLEY: Governor, Governor, if I could, the question was about these assault weapons that

  • once were once banned and are no longer banned. I know that you signed an assault weapons

  • ban when you were in Massachusetts, obviously, with this question, you no longer do support

  • that. Why is that, given the kind of violence that we see sometimes with these mass killings?

  • Why is it that you have changed your mind? ROMNEY: Well, Candy, actually, in my state,

  • the pro-gun folks and the anti-gun folks came together and put together a piece of legislation.

  • And it’s referred to as an assault weapon ban, but it had, at the signing of the bill,

  • both the pro-gun and the anti-gun people came together, because it provided opportunities

  • for both that both wanted. There were hunting opportunities, for instance,

  • that haven’t previously been available and so forth, so it was a mutually agreed- upon

  • piece of legislation. That’s what we need more of, Candy. What we have right now in

  • Washington is a place that’s gridlocked. CROWLEY: So I couldif you could get people

  • to agree to it, you would be for it? ROMNEY: We have

  • OBAMA: Candy? ROMNEY: — we haven’t had the leadership

  • in Washington to work on a bipartisan basis. I was able to do that in my state and bring

  • these two together. CROWLEY: Quickly, Mr. President.

  • OBAMA: Thefirst of all, I think Governor Romney was for an assault weapons ban before

  • he was against it. And he said that the reason he changed his mind was, in part, because

  • he was seeking the endorsement of the National Rifle Association. So that’s on the record.

  • But I think that one area we agree on is the important of parents and the importance of

  • schools, because I do believe that if our young people have opportunity, then they are

  • less likely to engage in these kinds of violent acts. Were not going to eliminate everybody

  • who is mentally disturbed and we have got to make sure they don’t get weapons.

  • (AUDIO GAP) OBAMA: because I do believe that if our young

  • people have opportunity, then theyre less likely to engage in these kind of violent

  • acts. Were not going to eliminate everybody who

  • is mentally disturbed, and weve got to make sure they don’t get weapons. But we

  • can make a difference in terms ensuring that every young person in America, regardless

  • of where they come from, what they look like, have a chance to succeed.

  • And, Candy, we haven’t had a chance to talk about education much, but I think it is very

  • important to understand that the reforms weve put in place, working with 46 governors around

  • the country, are seeing schools that are some of the ones that are the toughest for kids

  • starting to succeed. Were starting to see gains in math and science.

  • When it comes to community colleges, we are setting up programs, including with Nassau

  • Community College, to retrain workers, including young people who may have dropped out of school

  • but now are getting another chance, training them for the jobs that exist right now.

  • And in fact, employers are looking for skilled workers. And so were matching them up.

  • Giving them access to higher education. As I said, we have made sure that millions of

  • young people are able to get an education that they weren’t able to get before.

  • NowCROWLEY: Mr. President, I have to — I have

  • to move you along here. You said you wanted to

  • (CROSSTALK) CROWLEY: We need to do it here.

  • OBAMA: Butbut itllitllitll be

  • (CROSSTALK) OBAMA: … just one second.

  • CROWLEY: OneOBAMA: Becausebecause this is important.

  • This is part of the choice in this election. When Governor Romney was asked whether teachers,

  • hiring more teachers was important to growing our economy, Governor Romney said that doesn’t

  • grow our economy. Whenwhen he was asked would class size

  • (CROSSTALK) CROWLEY: The question, Mr. President, was

  • guns here, so I need to move us along. OBAMA: I understand.

  • CROWLEY: You know, the question was guns. So let melet me bring in another

  • OBAMA: But this will make a difference in terms of whether or not we can move this economy

  • forward for these young peopleCROWLEY: I understand.

  • OBAMA: … and reduce our violence. CROWLEY: OK. Thank you so much.

  • I want to ask Carol Goldberg to stand up, because she gets to a question that both these

  • men have been passionate about. It’s for Governor Romney.

  • QUESTION: The outsourcing of American jobs overseas has taken a toll on our economy.

  • What plans do you have to put back and keep jobs here in the United States?

  • ROMNEY: Boy, great question and important question, because youre absolutely right.

  • The place where weve seen manufacturing go has been China. China is now the largest

  • manufacturer in the world. It used to be the United States of America. A lot of good people

  • have lost jobs. A half a million manufacturing jobs have been lost in the last four years.

  • That’s total over the last four years. One of the reasons for that is that people

  • think it’s more attractive in some cases to go offshore than to stay here. We have

  • made it less attractive for enterprises to stay here than to go offshore from time to

  • time. What I will do as president is make sure it’s more attractive to come to America

  • again. This is the way were going to create jobs

  • in this country. It’s not by trickle-down government, saying were going to take more

  • money from people and hire more government workers, raise more taxes, put in place more

  • regulations. Trickle-down government has never worked here, has never worked anywhere.

  • I want to make America the most attractive place in the world for entrepreneurs, for

  • small business, for big business, to invest and grow in America.

  • Now, were going to have to make sure that as we trade with other nations that they play

  • by the rules. And China hasn’t. One of the reasonsor one of the ways they don’t

  • play by the rules is artificially holding down the value of their currency. Because

  • if they put their currency down low, that means their prices on their goods are low.

  • And that makes them advantageous in the marketplace. We lose sales. And manufacturers here in the

  • U.S. making the same products can’t compete. China has been a currency manipulator for

  • years and years and years. And the president has a regular opportunity to label them as

  • a currency manipulator, but refuses to do so.

  • On day one, I will label China a currency manipulator, which will allow me as president

  • to be able to put in place, if necessary, tariffs where I believe that they are taking

  • unfair advantage of our manufacturers. So were going to make sure that people

  • we trade with around the world play by the rules. But let melet me not just stop

  • there. Don’t forget, what’s key to bringing back jobs here is not just finding someone

  • else to punish, and I’m going to be strict with people who we trade with to make sure

  • theythey follow the law and play by the rules, but it’s also to make America the

  • most attractive place in the world for businesses of all kinds.

  • That’s why I want to down the tax rates on small employers, big employers, so they

  • want to be here. Canada’s tax rate on companies is now 15 percent. Ours is 35 percent. So

  • if youre starting a business, where would you rather start it? We have to be competitive

  • if were going to create more jobs here. Regulations have quadrupled. The rate of regulations

  • quadrupled under this president. I talk to small businesses across the country. They

  • say, “We feel like were under attack from our own government.” I want to make

  • sure that regulators see their job as encouraging small business, not crushing it. And there’s

  • no question but that Obamacare has been an extraordinary deterrent to enterprises of

  • all kinds hiring people. My priority is making sure that we get more

  • people hired. If we have more people hired, if we get back manufacturing jobs, if we get

  • back all kinds of jobs into this country, then youre going to see rising incomes

  • again. The reason incomes are down is because unemployment is so high. I know what it takes

  • to get this to happen, and my plan will do that, and one part of it is to make sure that

  • we keep China playing by the rules. CROWLEY: Mr. President, two minutes here,

  • because we are then going to go to our last question.

  • OBAMA: OK. We need to create jobs here. And both Governor Romney and I agree actually

  • that we should lower our corporate tax rate. It’s too high. But there’s a difference

  • in terms of how we would do it. I want to close loopholes that allow companies to deduct

  • expenses when they move to China; that allow them to profit offshore and not have to get

  • taxed, so they have tax advantages offshore. All those changes in our tax code would make

  • a difference. Now, Governor Romney actually wants to expand

  • those tax breaks. One of his big ideas when it comes to corporate tax reform would be

  • to say, if you invest overseas, you make profits overseas, you don’t have to pay U.S. taxes.

  • But, of course, if youre a small business or a mom-and-pop business or a big business

  • starting up here, youve got to pay even the reduced rate that Governor Romney’s

  • talking about. And it’s estimated that that will create

  • 800,000 new jobs. The problem is theyll be in china. Or India. Or Germany.

  • That’s not the way were going to create jobs here. The way were going to create

  • jobs here is not just to change our tax code, but also to double our exports. And we are

  • on pace to double our exports, one of the commitments I made when I was president. That’s

  • creating tens of thousands of jobs all across the country. That’s why weve kept on

  • pushing trade deals, but trade deals that make sure that American workers and American

  • businesses are getting a good deal. Now, Governor Romney talked about China, as

  • I already indicated. In the private sector, Governor Romney’s company invested in what

  • were called pioneers of outsourcing. That’s not my phrase. That’s what reporters called

  • it. And as far as currency manipulation, the currency

  • has actually gone up 11 percent since I’ve been president because we have pushed them

  • hard. And weve put unprecedented trade pressure on China. That’s why exports have

  • significantly increased under my presidency. That’s going to help to create jobs here.

  • CROWLEY: Mr. President, we have a really short time for a quick discussion here.

  • iPad, the Macs, the iPhones, they are all manufactured in China. One of the major reasons

  • is labor is so much cheaper here. How do you convince a great American company to bring

  • that manufacturing back here? ROMNEY: The answer is very straightforward.

  • We can compete with anyone in the world as long as the playing field is level. China’s

  • been cheating over the years. One by holding down the value of their currency. Number two,

  • by stealing our intellectual property; our designs, our patents, our technology. There’s

  • even an Apple store in China that’s a counterfeit Apple store, selling counterfeit goods. They

  • hack into our computers. We will have to have people play on a fair basis, that’s number

  • one. Number two, we have to make America the most

  • attractive place for entrepreneurs, for people who want to expand their business. That’s

  • what brings jobs in. The president’s characterization of my tax plan

  • (CROSSTALK) ROMNEY: …is completelyis completely

  • (CROSSTALK) ROMNEY: …is completely false. Let me tell

  • youCROWLEY: Let me to go the president here because

  • we really are running out of time. And the question is can we ever getwe can’t

  • get wages like that. It can’t be sustained. OBAMA: Candy, there are some jobs that are

  • not going to come back. Because they are low wage, low skill jobs. I want high wage, high

  • skill jobs. That’s why we have to emphasize manufacturing. That’s why we have to invest

  • in advanced manufacturing. That’s why weve got to make sure that weve got the best

  • science and research in the world. And when we talk about deficits, if were adding

  • to our deficit for tax cuts for folks who don’t need them, and were cutting investments

  • in research and science that will create the next Apple, create the next new innovation

  • that will sell products around the world, we will lose that race.

  • If were not training engineers to make sure that they are equipped here in this country.

  • Then companies won’t come here. Those investments are what’s going to help to make sure that

  • we continue to lead this world economy, not just next year, but 10 years from now, 50

  • years from now, 100 years from now. CROWLEY: Thanks Mr. President.

  • (CROSSTALK) CROWLEY: Governor Romney?

  • ROMNEY: Government does not create jobs. Government does not create jobs.

  • CROWLEY: Governor Romney, I want to introduce you to Barry Green, because he’s going to

  • have the last question to you first? ROMNEY: Barry? Where is Barry?

  • QUESTION: Hi, Governor. I think this is a tough question. To each of you. What do you

  • believe is the biggest misperception that the American people have about you as a man

  • and a candidate? Using specific examples, can you take this opportunity to debunk that

  • misperception and set us straight? ROMNEY: Thank you, and that’s an opportunity

  • for me, and I appreciate it. In the nature of a campaign, it seems that

  • some campaigns are focused on attacking a person rather than prescribing their own future

  • and the things they’d like to do. In the course of that, I think the president’s

  • campaign has tried to characterize me asas someone who’s very different than who I

  • am. I care about 100 percent of the American people.

  • I want 100 percent of the American people to have a bright and prosperous future. I

  • care about our kids. I understand what it takes to make a bright and prosperous future

  • for America again. I spent my life in the private sector, not in government. I’m a

  • guy who wants to help with the experience I have, the American people.

  • Mymy passion probably flows from the fact that I believe in God. And I believe

  • were all children of the same God. I believe we have a responsibility to care for one another.

  • I — I served as a missionary for my church. I served as a pastor in my congregation for

  • about 10 years. I’ve sat across the table from people who were out of work and worked

  • with them to try and find new work or to help them through tough times.

  • I went to the Olympics when they were in trouble to try and get them on track. And as governor

  • of my state, I was able to get 100 percent of my people insured, all my kids, about 98

  • percent of the adults. I was able also to get our schools ranked number one in the nation,

  • so 100 percent of our kids would have a bright opportunity for a future.

  • ROMNEY: I understand that I can get this country on track again. We don’t have to settle

  • for what were going through. We don’t have to settle for gasoline at four bucks.

  • We don’t have to settle for unemployment at a chronically high level. We don’t have

  • to settle for 47 million people on food stamps. We don’t have to settle for 50 percent of

  • kids coming out of college not able to get work. We don’t have to settle for 23 million

  • people struggling to find a good job. If I become president, I’ll get America

  • working again. I will get us on track to a balanced budget. The president hasn’t. I

  • will. I’ll make sure we can reform Medicare and Social Security to preserve them for coming

  • coming generations. The president said he would. He didn’t.

  • CROWLEY: GovernorROMNEY: I’ll get our incomes up. And by

  • the way, I’ve done these things. I served as governor and showed I could get them done.

  • CROWLEY: Mr. President, last two minutes belong to you.

  • OBAMA: Barry, I think a lot of this campaign, maybe over the last four years, has been devoted

  • to this nation that I think government creates jobs, that that somehow is the answer.

  • That’s not what I believe. I believe that the free enterprise system is the greatest

  • engine of prosperity the world’s ever known. I believe in self-reliance and individual

  • initiative and risk takers being rewarded. But I also believe that everybody should have

  • a fair shot and everybody should do their fair share and everybody should play by the

  • same rules, because that’s how our economy’s grown. That’s how we built the world’s

  • greatest middle class. Andand that is part of what’s at stake

  • in this election. There’s a fundamentally different vision about how we move our country

  • forward. I believe Governor Romney is a good man. Loves

  • his family, cares about his faith. But I also believe that when he said behind closed doors

  • that 47 percent of the country considered themselves victims who refuse personal responsibility,

  • think about who he was talking about. Folks on Social Security whove worked all

  • their lives. Veterans whove sacrificed for this country. Students who are out there

  • trying to hopefully advance their own dreams, but also this country’s dreams. Soldiers

  • who are overseas fighting for us right now. People who are working hard every day, paying

  • payroll tax, gas taxes, but don’t make enough income.

  • And I want to fight for them. That’s what I’ve been doing for the last four years.

  • Because if they succeed, I believe the country succeeds.

  • When my grandfather fought in World War II and he came back and he got a G.I. Bill and

  • that allowed him to go to college, that wasn’t a handout. That was something that advanced

  • the entire country. And I want to make sure that the next generation has those same opportunities.

  • That’s why I’m asking for your vote and that’s why I’m asking for another four

  • years. CROWLEY: President Obama, Governor Romney,

  • thank you for being here tonight. On that note we have come to an end of this

  • town hall debate. Our thanks to the participants for their time and to the people of Hofstra

  • University for their hospitality. The next and final debate takes place Monday

  • night at Lynn (ph) University in Boca Raton, Florida. Don’t forget to watch. Election

  • Day is three weeks from today. Don’t forget to vote.

  • Good night. (APPLAUSE)

  • END

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