Name: "Frankly, It's Depraved" - Jacob Soboroff On ICE's Actions In Minnesota, California And Elsewhere
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Ladies and gentlemen, folks, my next guest is the senior political and national correspondent for Ms. Now.

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He has just written a new book, firestorm, the Great Los Angeles Fires and America's New Age of Disaster.

Please welcome back to THE LATE show, Jacob Soborov.

I want to get to your book Firestorm in just one moment.

But before we get into the book, you just got back from Minneapolis.

Where I know among other things, you were covering the ICE raids and you spoke with Governor Tim Walls.

And we've heard a lot this week about some talk of de escalation and changing of some changing of leadership and policy there.

What's the reality on the ground and what are things like there this week?

I think the first thing that everybody needs to understand is when they say they're going after the worst of the worst, they are doing anything but.

What I have seen, not just in Minneapolis, but

in Los Angeles, in Charlotte, in Chicago, in the hallway of 26 Federal Plaza here in New York City, these are people who want to come in for a better life.

And you've got people like Greg Vino going around in military costumes, throwing tear gas canisters at people, taking little kids who just want to go to school and sending them to detention centers in Texas.

But I will say the people in the streets are what has given me extreme and that's what kicked Greg Medino out of Minneapolis.

I know the first time, the first time we ever spoke actually had to do with your covering of immigration closely during the first Trump administration.

And you wrote a best selling book about his family separation policy.

And I'm just curious now compare Trump's immigration policy now to Trump won.

I would call it a super sized version of the family separation policy.

Mass deportation is family separation by another name.

It's not family separation at the border.

And family separation itself was one of the most shameful things I can imagine from the first administration.

The Republican appointed judge who stopped the policy called it one of the most shameful chapters in the history of our country.

And Stephen Miller, you know, they separated 5,500 children deliberately from their parents.

This program that they're doing now is modeled after a 1954 program that deported a million Mexicans and some Americans.

And now they're not just deporting, they're killing immigrants and American citizens like Renee Nicole Goode and Alex Preddy.

And that's why, that's why we have to be in these cities.

That's why we continue to spotlight this.

And that's why I think, as I said again, it is so extraordinary to watch American people push back on this.

As horrifying as it was the first time, and

it was, it was, it was shocking to watch this during the first Trump administration.

What, what makes the difference this time around?

You know, whether or not you like John Kelly.

He was a, he was a check on Stephen Miller in the first term.

Stephen Miller is effectively the president when it comes to immigration policy right now.

As much as I think it pains me and I think probably all of you to hear that, but.

And the other thing is, you've got Tom Holman.

Tom Holman went in and he replaced Gregory Bevino.

Tom Holman said to me on the second day of the raids, someone is going to die.

That was seven months ago in Los Angeles.

And the people who are the most extreme voices within the administration have the most powerful positions today.

What did he mean, do you think, when he said that someone is going to die?

Did he say this is going to lead to a conflict that will lead to violence?

Like this amount of pressure on a community is going to lead to someone lashing out.

And was he meaning like someone is going to kill an ICE officer or what did he think was going to happen?

I think he meant someone is going to get killed because of the tone and the tenor of the aggressiveness of the operations will lead to people pushing back.

And that clash, you know, when I talked to Gavin Newsom or when I talked to JB Pritzker or when I talked to Tim Walls yesterday, they all, they all say the same thing.

These clashes that Tom Homan has sort of telegraphed are set up to have the invocation of the Insurrection act so he can have military troops on American streets.

And I think that that's why they are so terrified of the people that are coming out into the streets.

That's why they're so terrified of the movement that is pushing back.

Remember, in the first Trump term, hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people came out all around the world and they stopped the policy.

It wasn't even an English speaking Pope from Chicago like we have now who was pushing back, who was also spoke, spoken out about this.

And now I think that the movement that you are seeing is the scariest thing possible for the Trump administration because they are realizing that this plan.

I stood on the floor of the Republican convention with the signs mass deportation now.

Yeah, no one can think that this is a surprise.

No mass deportation printed up signs distributed throughout the entire convention center.

But I don't think that they ever thought that the I think that they thought that people would want to know less, that people would walk away after the first Trump term and the Biden administration.

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