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  • Remember this?

  • You might know this iconic ringtone, but probably haven't heard it in years.

  • The blings and ringtones and so forth.

  • It's nostalgic to me.

  • It all started here in the tiny country of Estonia, only 12 years after

  • the collapse of the Soviet Union.

  • A group of childhood friends teamed up with two Scandinavian entrepreneurs to transform

  • the way we communicate across borders with an app called Skype.

  • Skype came out in the early 2000 as a way for people to

  • communicate mainly by voice calls over the Internet.

  • It was basically an alternative to using your phone.

  • Right now, this is completely commonplace.

  • Back then, that was not the case and Skype was the first to really bring this to the masses.

  • This is the story of Skype and how it went from hundreds of millions of monthly users to a

  • nostalgic sound of the past.

  • CNBC explores Skype's past its present and what's next for the company after it

  • was one of Microsoft's biggest acquisitions in 2011.

  • Skype was launched in 2003 after Scandinavian entrepreneurs Niklas

  • Zennström and Janus Friis teamed up with four Estonian tech developers and former

  • schoolmates Jaan Tallinn, Priit Kasesalu, Toivo Annus and Ahti

  • Heinla. Heinla left Skype in 2008 and now runs Starship Technologies,

  • a robot delivery business.

  • As the Chief Technical Architect at Skype, he helped design it from the ground up.

  • It took a relatively short amount of time, I think about nine months, to develop the initial

  • concept. We were smart engineers.

  • We learned on the go.

  • None of us had any telecoms background.

  • I think that was the key thing about why it worked so well.

  • It didn't look like telecom.

  • It didn't behave like one.

  • So there were such outsiders, so they thought completely differently about what

  • they could do with Skype.

  • Jaan Tallinn was a founding engineer at Skype, and he went on to start the Centre for the Study of

  • Existential Risk at the University of Cambridge.

  • At the time we started Skype, we already had like a bunch of experience from a previous project,

  • things like Kazaa and a few other projects that didn't go anywhere.

  • Even more importantly, before that, we had experience programing computer

  • games for a decade.

  • The group used knowledge.

  • They learned building Kazaa, a peer-to-peer file sharing platform that at the time was one of the

  • world's most downloaded Internet softwares to build Skype.

  • Skype stands for Skype peer-to-peer.

  • The software initially used Voice Over IP technology, which allowed users to make and

  • receive calls over the Internet, and it caught on quickly growing to over 11 million users

  • in its first year.

  • The fact that Skype is going to be big became clear.

  • Like pretty much in the first day.

  • One thing that we did borrowed from Kazaa was this online counter, like how many users

  • are currently connected?

  • And then this like when we launched Skype, we started calling our friends and come on, come

  • online. We need to need to make the number go up.

  • And suddenly we saw like the numbers that just like going up like crazy

  • withou, without any any help from our friends.

  • It really captivated people.

  • 10,000 people downloaded and installed our app on the first day.

  • It was a very big number back in 2003.

  • It immediately signaled to everybody that this is something really successful.

  • This is something that that will really catch on and and very soon it was not 10,000, but it was

  • 100,000. It was a million.

  • It was 10 million and so forth.

  • It snowballed from there.

  • In the same year the app was launched, laptop sales surpassed desktop sales for the first time,

  • and by 2005, Skype had 59 million registered users and had been downloaded more than

  • 182 million times worldwide.

  • One thing that really helped Skype to be successful is that it is a product that you as a

  • consumer can not possibly use alone.

  • You have to tell somebody else that, hey, you know, you get this app as well because then you

  • can talk to me for free over the Internet and we can see each other and so forth.

  • So that meant that people naturally talk to each other immediately.

  • I never really experienced anything that easy to use,

  • even if the quality wasn't that great before that.

  • Like it was just so dead simple.

  • Skype's early success made it attractive to investors.

  • In 2005, eBay bought Skype for $2.6 billion under then

  • president and CEO Meg Whitman with the idea of integrating online shoppers and

  • sellers.

  • A lot of people after the acquisition started criticizing eBay

  • that, you know, why did they do this?

  • You know, was the acquisition price too high?

  • They completely didn't understand the complexity of the product, how difficult it would

  • be for them to actually make it work with eBay.

  • Despite skepticism, Whitman praised the acquisition.

  • What we bought was the leader in voice communications in every country of the world.

  • We think we bought a tremendous business in addition to some really interesting synergies with

  • PayPal and eBay. And as a result, we feel like we paid a fair price.

  • It's true that under eBay we can say that Skype grew

  • in terms of users and in terms of the number of minutes people were paying to call from Skype

  • to landlines and mobile phones.

  • That's great. But ultimately what happened is that there were no synergies

  • that Meg Whitman had imagined.

  • In 2008, John Donahoe took over as president and CEO of eBay and he wanted

  • Skype gone.

  • And the only question was, was there synergy with eBay's other businesses?

  • And the answer to that is no.

  • I thought it was a ludicrous idea, and I still think it's a ludicrous idea.

  • I mean, there's a reason why it didn't work out and they had to spin out the company and sell it

  • again.

  • Ebay decided to sell Skype briefly exploring IPO options, but settling on selling the

  • majority of its stake to private equity firm Silver Lake in 2009.

  • The deal valued Skype at $2.75 billion.

  • Ebay retained a 30% stake in the company and gained $1.9 billion in

  • cash.

  • Once eBay realized actually there isn't that many synergies with Skype.

  • They mostly left Skype alone, which was great, because they just Skype kind of continued to grow

  • like crazy.

  • Under eBay, Skype did grow at the end of 2007, Skype had over

  • 200 million registered users with over 50 million connected monthly users.

  • Connected users are defined by Skype as the number of users that login in a given

  • calendar month.

  • By the end of 2009, Skype had nearly 500 million registered users, with

  • 105 million of those being connected.

  • By 2010, Skype had 560 million registered users and over 207

  • billion minutes of voice and video conversations, once again making it attractive

  • to investors.

  • Google and Facebook were rumored to have interest in the company, but in May 2011, it was

  • Microsoft that announced the purchase of Skype from Silver Lake for a whopping $8.5

  • billion, meaning Silver Lake more than tripled its investment, while eBay gained an

  • additional $1.4 billion on its original investment.

  • So I expect Skype to be an accelerant of our financial results.

  • You know, the truth of the matter is communications is one of the the

  • big scenarios that's driving our financial success.

  • And Skype is going to accelerate that.

  • Under then CEO Steve Ballmer, Microsoft's plans included incorporating Skype into its

  • existing products, including the Xbox, Outlook and smartphones.

  • As part of the announcement, then Skype CEO Tony Bates announced Skype's goal to reach

  • 1 billion daily users.

  • But things didn't work out as planned.

  • They failed to capitalize on Skype 100%.

  • Steve Ballmer was the king of buying things and not knowing what to do with them.

  • And today, Microsoft says it has 36 million daily active users.

  • What happened with Skype is the story of every large

  • company with a lot of middle management.

  • They didn't innovate on the product for a very long time.

  • Tony Bates can say whatever he wants to say in reality is that the whole thing

  • blew up on his watch.

  • In 2017, WhatsApp reached 1 billion users.

  • By 2020, it had 2 billion.

  • And like the early days of Skype, it uses Voice Over IP to transmit calls.

  • The reason WhatsApp worked was it was just simple and it was easy and it

  • wasn't really fussy.

  • And Skype by then had become bloated, slow, complicated.

  • In fact, I'll go as far as saying the Skype missteps allowed WhatsApp to

  • grow and become this big.

  • In 2016, in response to Slack, a growing messaging platform, Microsoft

  • announced Teams.

  • However, when Teams launched in 2017, it became a direct competitor of Skype.

  • Microsoft Teams has been successful at taking users from Skype.

  • It's provided a number of additional features that Skype honestly does not have at this

  • time.

  • But Microsoft's Corporate VP tells a different story.

  • We see it as complementary on the core infrastructure, right?

  • So the communications, the idea of having one contact list, we think of the user

  • experience as being unique and distinct for those teams is focused increasingly more on some

  • communities work, getting groups of people to do that.

  • Skype is more point to point family, much more for international expansion.

  • Microsoft is pouring a lot of engineering resources into making

  • Teams a big destination for communication.

  • It's not doing the same thing with Skype.

  • For example, in 2021, Skype announced it would support up to 100 people

  • on one call.

  • But in the previous year, Teams announced it could support up to 300 people on one call.

  • And in 2020, when the Covid-19 pandemic made virtual communication a priority,

  • many people's go to were apps like Zoom and Teams, not Skype.

  • A lot of users went to Zoom because it was available.

  • Skype was known as well, but they were already on the

  • downslope. With the move to Teams.

  • In response to Zoom, Microsoft added updates to Teams such as breakout rooms and

  • increasing the number of meeting participants to 1000.

  • It also made some changes to Skype, including allowing virtual backgrounds.

  • But Teams still grew at a faster rate.

  • In July 2019, Microsoft announced Teams had 13 million daily

  • users. By November, it was 20 million.

  • That number soared in March 2020 during the pandemic to 44 million growing

  • by 12 million over a seven day period.

  • In that same month, Skype had 40 million daily users, but by

  • April 2020, Teams had 75 million daily users.

  • Microsoft would not confirm how many daily users Skype had in the same period.

  • However, it told CNBC that Teams usage is at an all-time high and surpassed

  • 300 million monthly active users this quarter.

  • So, how close are we to seeing Microsoft retire Skype?

  • It's hard to retire a product with 40 million users because

  • migration is risky.

  • Migration could easily happen in the way technology is moving now.

  • They know there are a lot of options and they'll find another one.

  • Today, Skype exists, but it's not the phenomenon that it was in the

  • 2000s. Skype is a product with an uncertain future.

  • Microsoft is where consumer brands go to die, just like AT&T

  • used to be the place where all Internet services used to go and die.

  • It's the same thing.

  • 20 years later and Skype's founders have moved on, going on to start their own

  • companies. Ahti Heinla is the CTO and co-founder of Starship Technologies.

  • He teamed up with another Skype founder, Janus Friis, to start the company.

  • Starship specializes in autonomous robot delivery and says it has done millions of deliveries

  • across 50 locations around the globe.

  • Niklas Zennström went on to head Atomico, a venture capital firm, and Jaan

  • Tallinn spends most of his time discussing the dangers of unchecked AI development.

  • I don't know what the future holds for Skype.

  • I mean, I'm concerned about humans being wiped out, so it's unlikely that I will need we need

  • Skype if that happens.

  • One thing that is guaranteed is that there will be massive changes now, so I'm not sure if

  • video calling will be a thing even like five years from now.

  • I myself use Skype right now fairly little.

  • It is. I still have it installed on my phone, but my

  • primary communication methods now are elsewhere.

  • With apps like WhatsApp and Zoom being a clear choice for many people.

  • Can Skype make a comeback?

  • Skype had a really good run and then perhaps like asking too much

  • too for like a bigger, bigger run.

  • Anything is possible.

  • Microsoft is trying to make Skype happen in a bigger way now.

  • There's the Bing chat bot that has generative artificial intelligence, which is all the

  • rage now. And you can talk to Bing in Skype.

  • Will that make Skype explode in popularity or make a

  • comeback? I don't think so.

  • Microsoft, as a rule, cares about being profitable.

  • I would not be surprised to learn that Skype is basically

  • paying for itself, but not making a huge amount of money for

  • Microsoft today.

  • Right now, not much is known about Skype's user data or profitability, since Microsoft has

  • sporadically provided data since its acquisition in 2011.

  • CNBC reached out to Microsoft for an interview with the current Head of Skype, but we're told

  • he was not available.

  • In a statement, it told CNBC more than 36 million people use Skype

  • daily. Our goal with Skype continues to be to deliver the best possible

  • experience to users, regardless of the platform they choose.

  • I think the challenge for Skype, like most

  • large social platforms, has been that despite scale,

  • the profits remain pretty thin.

  • There were years when Skype was not profitable and that includes the time

  • that it was under the ownership of eBay.

  • So has Skype fulfilled its full potential or did it just become

  • obsolete?

  • Skype is not obsolete.

  • It has 36 million daily active users.

  • That is small when you compare it with other assets out there online.

  • But we can't say that Skype is over with because we're going to get millions of

  • people mad at us. People still insist on using Skype, fewer and fewer

  • people, but some do.

  • There was a time when a place for Skype, it had everything going for it

  • and now other people have everything going for it.

  • We wanted to give a lot of people, millions of people, hundreds of

  • millions of people, billions of people access to free communication over the

  • Internet. We absolutely accomplished that goal.

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