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  • - My name is Jason Stanley.

  • I'm the Jacob Urowsky Professor of Philosophy

  • at Yale University,

  • and the author of five books.

  • Most recently,

  • "How Fascism Works: The Politics of Us and Them."

  • I don't think there are good arguments

  • against my book taken as an analysis of fascist politics.

  • Everyone agrees that,

  • the tactics that I describe in my book

  • are tactics that fascist parties employ.

  • Fascism is a very particular ideological structure.

  • The first pillar is the Mythic Past.

  • Then there's Propaganda.

  • Anti-intellectualism.

  • Unreality.

  • Hierarchy.

  • Victimhood.

  • Law and order.

  • Sexual anxiety.

  • Sodom and Gomorrah.

  • And then finally, Arbeit macht frei-

  • 'work shall make you free.'

  • Each of these elements

  • taken in and of itself, is not fascist.

  • You can think about these individual elements in isolation.

  • I think the strongest counterargument against my book

  • is people saying,

  • "Why do you need to worry about it.

  • There's lots of tactics people use to win power.

  • Why worry about these?"

  • My response is to say

  • that fascist politics wears down democracy.

  • Even if it doesn't result in a fascist regime,

  • it creates the conditions for itself.

  • Fascist politics, it's a politics of fear.

  • It's a politics that needs to say,

  • "The criminality is overcoming our cities.

  • Our cities are filled with crime.

  • They're disease-ridden.

  • The immigrants are hoarding in.

  • The communists are taking over the universities."

  • It needs this constant fear.

  • It's the sense that

  • we've got a group of people on our side,

  • who are supporting us,

  • and we've got enemies, and it's a war.

  • It's a conflict.

  • So it results in policies,

  • whether the leader likes it or not,

  • that match their rhetoric.

  • Because if the policies don't ever match their rhetoric,

  • then people eventually are going to say,

  • "What's the threat?

  • Why do we need to be afraid?"

  • And even if it doesn't result in a fascist regime,

  • it erodes the basis of the nation.

  • It erodes the basis of democracy.

  • It erodes the trust between citizens.

  • It militarizes politics.

  • Once you militarize politics,

  • so there's no basis of reconciliation,

  • then you make democracy impossible.

  • And it destroys truth.

  • So even if we don't get a fascist regime in the end,

  • we destroy the basis of democracy.

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- My name is Jason Stanley.

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