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  • - [Narrator] Theranos CEO Elizabeth Holmes

  • has been found guilty on four out of the 11 charges

  • related to defrauding investors,

  • and while the verdict sheds light

  • on the legal accountability of making faulty promises,

  • it actually further complicates the difference

  • between the fake-it-till-you-make-it mindset and fraud.

  • - When I heard that she was guilty,

  • I wouldn't say that I was surprised,

  • but I was interested in the way that it had broken down.

  • (dramatic music)

  • - [Narrator] The 11 charges against Elizabeth Holmes

  • fell roughly into two buckets:

  • defrauding patients and defrauding investors.

  • - She was found innocent of all of the patient stuff,

  • all three of the underlying counts

  • plus the conspiracy charge, and then on the investor side,

  • she was found guilty of conspiracy

  • and three of the charges against her,

  • and the jury hung on three other charges.

  • - [Narrator] Liz Lopatto is deputy editor at "The Verge"

  • and has been covering Theranos since 2015.

  • - We heard only a very little from the patients.

  • We heard from three patients,

  • and their testimony was maybe an hour total,

  • unlike the rest of the counts where we heard from

  • some of these people for days,

  • but there also wasn't a direct connection made

  • between Holmes and the patients,

  • and we didn't get enough about how involved Holmes was

  • with the advertising and how much she had chosen

  • to include or not include, how much of that was deliberate.

  • I think it was easier to prove the charges against

  • the investors because Holmes was literally

  • in the room with them.

  • We don't have to question where they got their information.

  • We know. - But that's not to say

  • the patients' testimony didn't aid in the final verdicts.

  • - They heard from people who were having a hard time.

  • They knew Holmes knew that people were having a hard time.

  • Stuff was getting forwarded to her for about retesting,

  • about taking certain tests off the menu.

  • The jury knew that she knew everything was not right

  • in the clinical lab even if she wasn't

  • intentionally defrauding patients.

  • It's not a great outcome for her.

  • The maximum she can be charged for each one

  • of those wire fraud counts is 20 years.

  • Now, I don't think she's going to get 20 years

  • on each one of those counts.

  • I could be wrong.

  • It's possible that she won't see jail time.

  • I don't think that's likely either.

  • I think she is probably now looking at jail.

  • - [Narrator] Over the course of the trial,

  • hundreds of people flocked to San Jose to catch a glimpse

  • of Holmes and follow the courtroom drama.

  • - There were so many people who had read "Bad Blood"

  • in their book clubs and just wanted to come see,

  • people who are just interested.

  • There was a person who worked in the biotech industry

  • and was retired, and this had been the subject

  • of huge gossip in her friend group,

  • and then there was one woman outside who was like,

  • "We love you, Elizabeth! You're a good mom,"

  • and the judge actually mentioned that doing that

  • could potentially cause a mistrial if the jurors hear you

  • and scolded her in court.

  • We watched her get up and leave. (laughs)

  • So it was a mix. We had a little bit of goofiness.

  • We had a little bit of seriousness.

  • - [Narrator] And on the stand,

  • Holmes displayed the same control and image

  • that she had become known for.

  • - In the courtroom,

  • Elizabeth home seemed immaculately controlled.

  • Her posture was perfect.

  • Even though the day was running really long,

  • you could see her lawyers starting to wilt next to her,

  • and she's sitting just like this,

  • just absolutely straight up.

  • She was pleasant. She was focused.

  • She was keeping an eye on things.

  • She was certainly engaged,

  • but she also was a little distant,

  • which again, I understand this.

  • If you're in a room full of reporters,

  • maybe you don't want to engage with us.

  • That might be the wisest move if you're on trial.

  • That's fine.

  • But the overall impression I got was

  • that she seemed like she had a tremendous amount

  • of self-possession and self control,

  • and that that was really the thing

  • that I was struck by throughout.

  • - [Narrator] But as the reality of the trial

  • began to set in, there was a shift.

  • - There was a period where she was undergoing

  • her direct questioning by her lawyers

  • where I had this impression that she was realizing

  • how serious the situation was in real time

  • as she was trying to respond to some of the things

  • that she'd heard the other witnesses saying,

  • and it was sort of horrible to have somebody realize

  • how serious things are for them when they

  • are literally on the witness stand.

  • That was sort of awful to watch.

  • I can't help but think that it was partially because

  • of this impression I got of her as somebody

  • who really prepares, who's probably an A student

  • who brought the teacher in apple who really gave

  • great testimony when she had prepared it

  • and kind of knew what she was going to say,

  • but whenever there was a question

  • that was kind of on the fly, she got nervous,

  • and she was really nervous during her cross-examination,

  • but there was certainly a kind of waiver in self-control

  • when she was testifying and had been up there

  • for a couple of hours and was clearly getting tired.

  • - [Narrator] As we await Holmes' sentencing

  • and inevitable appeals, the trial of Sunny Balwani,

  • Theranos' former president and chief operating officer,

  • is about to begin.

  • He's facing the same charges.

  • - Sunny and Elizabeth were originally

  • going to be tried together,

  • but because of her allegation of abuse

  • which was raised in sealed pretrial motions,

  • their trials were severed.

  • Now, this is actually a pretty good thing for both of them

  • because it gave them the freedom to blame each other

  • when in their separate trials.

  • Elizabeth Holmes definitely did.

  • She definitely said, "Oh, Sunny was responsible for this.

  • "Oh, Sunny was responsible for that.

  • "Oh, the financial projections that were weird?

  • "That was Sunny."

  • It wasn't super credible,

  • but I imagine he's gonna do the same thing and say,

  • "Look, she was the CEO. This was Elizabeth.

  • "This was Elizabeth.

  • "Elizabeth was the one who talked to these people.

  • "This was Elizabeth."

  • So, I imagine that's probably good for him.

  • - [Narrator] But the guilty verdict for Holmes

  • might cue us into the outcome of the case against Balwani.

  • - Finding her guilty on the conspiracy count

  • is bad news for him.

  • It suggests that there's enough evidence of the conspiracy

  • on at least one end to convict,

  • and if there's enough evidence on one end,

  • there's probably enough evidence on the other.

  • I am interested about the patient stuff.

  • He was more directly involved with the clinical lab,

  • and so that may work out differently for him,

  • but in terms of the investor counts,

  • some of these investors testified

  • that they were dealing directly with Sunny,

  • and I am curious to see how his trial is different.

  • - [Narrator] Regardless of her sentencing

  • or the outcome of Balwani's case,

  • having a CEO or COO of a company on trial

  • is a rare spectacle,

  • and it's unlikely to happen again for a long time,

  • but not necessarily because anyone will actually

  • learn anything from Theranos' mistakes.

  • - A lot of people wanna say,

  • "Well, she's not Silicon valley,"

  • and I understand that impulse because I wouldn't say

  • she's representative of Silicon Valley,

  • but she's certainly a product of it in the same way

  • that Bernie Madoff is not representative of Wall Street,

  • but he's certainly a product of it.

  • But because so many people don't seem to want to acknowledge

  • that she's even a part of this world,

  • I don't think we're gonna see a lot of behavior changes.

  • - [Narrator] And even with the verdict,

  • investors might not change their tune in investing

  • in future companies with such bold claims.

  • - We're in this very frothy period

  • where there's a lot of money available,

  • and investors really aren't doing as much

  • due diligence as they should be.

  • That worries me

  • because that's the kind of situation

  • where fraud can potentially flourish.

  • With Theranos, it just looked like a successful company

  • until all of a sudden it wasn't,

  • and I don't know how many of those kinds of things

  • are out there lurking around right now,

  • but I do find myself wondering if we're going to see changes

  • in terms of compliance or in terms of what lawyers recommend

  • to their clients as a result of that

  • because I don't see investor behavior changing.

  • I don't necessarily see founder behavior changing.

  • (soft dramatic music)

- [Narrator] Theranos CEO Elizabeth Holmes

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