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  • to the newsroom Witcher it's not the same category why I'm

  • welcome to the dog yeah in any way

  • but it's an interesting show jack we have a a lot that are all the Giro look

  • thank you for Ben maggots jack on the current show last year we we did that

  • highest-rated segments of the current room I

  • when we at we talk about newsroom because for whatever reason even the

  • last season was one of the worst seasons have

  • love dramatic television I've ever seen in my entire life we couldn't

  • stop watching it there was something there was something glorious

  • mixed in with all this just insufferable

  • narcissism comments about the musical numbers that's right with you

  • so here we so here we are now at season 2

  • and I mean will turn it over first although Alonso but as absolute first

  • thing we do let's kill all the lawyers

  • obviously that's room 106 arm II

  • good media obviously on john looked it up whatever

  • um by I thought that this

  • was versatile markedly different

  • and better much better

  • but I fear just enough better to make this a waste of time

  • I a lot it's really a weird like before and I mean the season 1 I've vacillated

  • between moment I thought were just brilliant and ones that I just would

  • kinda roll my eyes at

  • and this was an almost all are rolling up azaleas everywhere for this

  • last night's episode would have been the one to make me go up camp I'm out

  • I'm really yeah I just I don't know why because it's sorta dwelled on all the

  • things that I care the least about like that love triangle Business which I

  • never have found interesting are well

  • by the World Trade no one in america cares about that I

  • everyone in America hates all those people yeah all the actors involved

  • there are interested at this point

  • yeah you know theirs and it was one of those episode lotsa

  • dudgeon you know lots of my principles a movable good just here

  • Agni II really very clean I thought there was less than that

  • yeah because but here we're seeing will the care more about

  • how much the audience loves him and he feels burned today

  • that he's lost a part of the answer seen American Taliban right any seems less

  • aggressive but that was

  • that and that was a big problem for me I've heard American tell been thrown

  • around

  • fairly willy nilly on the left and nobody cared and on this show they make

  • out like who he said this

  • taboo phrase and you know repercussions going all the way to the counter

  • levying this like after a full episode iv: laying it out saying you're the

  • American Taliban or was it

  • a blogger something we savored it also means that you don't really hear it from

  • brian williams also I'm I'm saying those moment but I mean I purpose heard on

  • MSNBC let's say which is for the anodyne love this show

  • that I've that network and in hand and no nobody stop the presses like nobody

  • cared it was just a

  • phrase I was afraid the other night and this show they make it out to be

  • you know I was talking to %uh to Brett who said that it was the same thing on

  • studio 60 where

  • you they made a big deal about this sketch that was gonna get all the

  • trouble and i wanna been called crazy Christians

  • right you know I think studio 60 on the Sunset Strip the first

  • I'll horrible unwatchable were show history television and I watched all 22

  • episodes

  • yeah look be that that's what makes this show little interest email because

  • and in a lil and unrealistic at the same time in a good way in a bad way here's

  • what I mean by that

  • but on MSNBC back like win

  • in the day they would never imagine saying that either

  • okay now they get to a point where they would say but in this show it's not

  • MSNBC and CNN NBC

  • for CNN right you see what I'm saying I graphics packages CNN

  • ok expression that i rly of Vienna a right hand so

  • it's supposed to be a neutral source and that's why how they all act executives

  • actor reporters acted center-right

  • and so yeah I am with Ben a Brian Williams or anderson cooper et cetera

  • merican Taliban

  • there would have been outrage CNN would have been banned from the browser

  • quite but they it's also unrealistic and that's the whole point the show but

  • because Anderson Cooper Brian Williams would never say that

  • in a million years cuz in fact none of them have the principal

  • will mcevoy and that's why the show is in some ways

  • both maddening cuz that's never going to happen I V view

  • and at the same time great because hey that's what we want to happen I mean you

  • guys are the pros to you

  • you can parse this better than i do as far as it now to see the inside baseball

  • the show

  • my takeaway from season one was this was the lost season have Countdown with

  • Keith Olbermann

  • II he was much more baby shoot from the hip saying controversial stuff

  • injecting himself in his opinions into things so

  • will mcevoy saying American Taliban to me was well if Overman said American

  • Taliban

  • nobody would blink because that's the sort of thing he would say all the time

  • weird what what what you're right about over men and and there are many perhaps

  • even O'Brien self who thinks the world mcevoy persona was lifted from over man

  • there is unquestionably a great deal with Keith Olbermann

  • I in that but it is as if Keith Olbermann

  • were at CBS yeah exactly

  • its unquestionable base on over me but whatever you write fiction you take

  • something that might might happen in your personal experience

  • and then you change in and change and change it and change it so

  • its loosely based on him probably about 30 percent remains

  • a seventy percent is a different context that he rode into it I just wanna feel

  • the shock

  • in the moment I love this thing in the context the show so that I

  • to the repercussions make sense and over like becoming an Oreo is gonna lose out

  • on some that shock so long as there's there covering stories there two years

  • old by the time we watch as I think

  • but also one of the reasons I like that interesting device knows it seems is

  • always active on it yeah exactly although some people say that that's why

  • certain comes office so

  • is so the full of himself because yeah of course everybody is in great

  • hindsight two years after the story broke

  • what I like about the reaction to the American Taliban comment is

  • wanna my problems with the will mcevoy character in the first season is

  • he's just to confident too perfect into invincible like

  • he always has that become back nothing bad happens except for drinks being

  • thrown in his face

  • but now is actually facing consequences for what he did and you can see it

  • affecting

  • the way he's reacting to stories later on I think that makes the character much

  • more interesting

  • yeah I agree he became heey he showed some

  • some authentic vulnerability the vulnerability showed last year was the

  • nonsense with the love life where you're like

  • she's you lover she loves you she really three years ago she want you back

  • but don't like to get over record or donor go out with other girls but stop

  • talking about this this is

  • and seeking a religious seminary disagree with Alonso again

  • because hear that at least they took the Mackenzie love thing

  • out at least for the purpose of this episode it was national see finger

  • which seems so unrealistic not only for will McElroy but for Mackenzie sources

  • top competent awesome executive producer should be bumbling instrument over stuff

  • in

  • so at least the first episode in now that's how I felt like I was fifty

  • percent when

  • and I like that they IIIi like think that they showed her being super

  • competent in the mail creation the show all I have to say watching that moment I

  • thought

  • I'm love this when Holly 125 years ago in broadcasting truly

  • this could have all that never happens right by you I have a tape this offer

  • whatever

  • when there's so many things that are wonderfully unrealistic about this rain

  • like if he caught that they had the wrong thing with the I don't know what

  • CNN this

  • allies agree with you on that they were they'd fix it they'd me it personal

  • maybe not right now but there was a long era where they unquestionably what

  • effect that they would never last but said the French stories are charge the

  • one they haven't charged in the death

  • they would switch that and I love that that was a

  • I wish they'd play with the voice more cuz I wanna sounded different but I

  • loved

  • her attempting to her attempting to fix it and I think that

  • that was as dramatic ash a moment

  • I've reaction to criticism from a season

  • that our producer talk like I've made these women

  • bumbling yes and a joke and so I were right off the bat I'm gonna show you

  • low per capita they are greatest cruiser you've ever seen you

  • that was the second half were there when the the board goes down unnecessary and

  • them executive producer knows how to solve a technical issue it's incredibly

  • come we know it is what it is all the technical issues she came up with a

  • solution that use the remaining resources they still had one camera

  • angle in graphics

  • hard wired directly to the monitor like it's not that she knows how to fix the

  • tech problems that she fully understands what they're capable doing with roads

  • may be over you're still a dork

  • I go through a window when the doors close thats

  • yeah out with our seen it the thing that's great and I love the show and

  • executive producer doesn't know how to do it a few

  • anonymous was hacking them or something I got ugly

  • yeah act like it but I totally got their act but it doesn't

  • Lake it just it was a moment have like we did the first one

  • like we got it we don't need the other one right after your

  • yell over it though knows exactly what ever reason for the second are you

  • so this is that he's trying to respond to some other criticism the females

  • basically are just bumbling fools even if they're supposed to be like fully for

  • themselves and well-educated

  • but I love it he couldn't help with the money scare comment its long sabbath

  • that like she is just you know she's the girl mister I can also

  • I couldn't hear one line that those people said to each other I tried re

  • whatever the conversation on this time sorry enough to bruise captioning

  • yeah I without but also the intern comes in and she had that great moment at the

  • end to the season where is like a year what makes America great know that I

  • love that moment

  • but what you doing now she's looking at musicals and stuff like he still can't

  • give women consistent respect the entire episode

  • I thought that I took that is as she's an intern and these are his quirks he

  • loves musical theatre

  • it's like you know if I did enter and I was like I nominate show you the ropes

  • like I would be in that position but you gotta tell me who's yeah the last 30

  • National League Most Valuable Player really 11 reason I think that scene

  • might make sense is that sort of struck me as possible like a Karate Kid sort of

  • thing

  • where it's not that she's researching musicals that you're gonna do five

  • minutes the research and understand all of these facts right it could be like a

  • wax on wax off for a second that

  • that there's going to be a payoff to the manner in which the stranger

  • and of course eggs clearly been set up now the big archive this season is to

  • find out

  • what happened Alison pill's hair I

  • so I'm on the edge of my seat for that one non-computer sonar to hear something

  • is so

  • number one address all the things years all brought up I

  • you know the minor the fixes might have heard it in in that sense because

  • day while I had a great line and on Twitter about this

  • today price for slate he said a can't wait to get everybody in the room and do

  • some hate watch

  • okay it might not work right but if you don't he did now you don't love it and

  • it becomes

  • in the middle then you might be coming deposit thing I'm writing i mean lol

  • Dave while she feel good because he shares my pic I don't care it's rather

  • I they'll my initial fear really almost dead following our conversation 20

  • minutes before we started here was that

  • I liked it much better but I don't know that I liked it enough

  • to where I actually find to be great drama horror drama like Breaking Bad Mad

  • Men and then game Thrones and so many others raising

  • so feel talked me into staying tonight live like that if you remove

  • that they won't remove all the sanctimony but if they remove eighty-two

  • percent %uh sanctimony

  • om and then it just becomes maybe a show that doesn't

  • consistently the lever and and and a and then there in a very dangerous

  • dangerous place but obviously I get full you literally like season 1

  • so here's the thing I E I liked it more than both the average american but also

  • more than the people who serve

  • love hate it like understand that again I was texting you know this still sucks

  • I like to know them that got closer um now I will admit I'm not like a total

  • fanboy like the more you look closely at any part of it the more it doesn't

  • really hold up like

  • I loved like Mac Mac voice for speech was talking about what america used to

  • be like everything

  • but man the more you analyze that speech the more ridiculous it seems

  • like oh you're back in the fifties america had no problems and everything

  • so they're definitely problems with it but it's an exciting show it's got

  • interesting dialogue it's occasionally funny there are little twists and things

  • like that

  • so I do I do enjoy I look forward to know no no and no

  • ok but never cooked before I get into my main criticism over it

  • let's not over local why we're watching in the first place is something great

  • that it does that by not no one else did

  • right it gives us that the fantasy 0

  • principal journalists writing television principled activist

  • attentive right journalist interested in truth not fair

  • right and not interested in partisanship but interested in challenging

  • the government the poor Republican Party is status quo the

  • and and would need be the democratic way remember Womack was a republican

  • and like me I get the sense from the show he doesn't care at all about the

  • democrats nor

  • about to get into clearly a long season long conversation about drones and the

  • Obama administration ran to keep my

  • at Occupy right and so so and possibly by the way true about mark

  • the time frame I believe is going new cap sleeve nothing right bring it up

  • so the fact that they're doing what always wanted CNN to do

  • and never did in and ends do it in a over-the-top brilliant way

  • you know it Mike so we'll make it was unrealistic you see

  • every character's unrealistic example snappy comebacks they talk a million

  • miles an hour and everything they say is brilliant unless he was in the pure dumb

  • in which case they say mediately switch over to be incredibly stupid I get that

  • right

  • but at least he wanted CNN to say hey wait a minute should we call other

  • Republican Party

  • if they're doing this should we call the government if they're doing that

  • so that's what's great about the show it let us fantasize about what should a bit

  • right and so I still enjoy that I still like Allegri now

  • now the thing is on the critique what's fascinating is that the I don't think

  • the show changes much is

  • I changed and and I think the world around us change in the year

  • says up so the one episode I'm sorry season 1 and season two

  • okay because before I when I was watching Season one I thought

  • this is really relevant I wish the people with CNN would watch this

  • and and learn something from it because this could be the most important show

  • on television if the way people watch it and got

  • all I she says there right there was why didn't we do that

  • why didn't we do that why are we charging both parties

  • right it is unrealistic as the dialogue okay

  • it's like they weren't monday-morning quarterbacking they were 2013

  • quarterbacking which is you know you've got tons a perspective a point right

  • so now I in that year what's changed is a thought I

  • one I came to the realization pour might kidding an hour

  • the sea no no they probably are rather

  • they're glued to it yeah about them exactly what he said

  • CNN is never going to change the network news

  • is never gonna change they're just go look at this %uh find a way to criticize

  • it and dismiss it

  • and do their own rationalizations it is inconceivable or Smith you know if only

  • we could do that but of course we can of course when and why did you get anything

  • else responder feels like your job

  • it can't be done or that it some liberal fantasy right exactly

  • so I gave up on meh a between the two seasons I give up on the hope the CNN

  • learns anything from

  • I Fox News actually called the show liberal fantasy and I tweeted that

  • the liberal fantasy is on HBO in conservative fantasy is on Fox News

  • that's right

  • I put on 1 review at least that was saying that like go he said he was going

  • to the show or it's just about the facts and everything but it ends up being

  • exactly the same thing is Rachel mad or any other

  • insert any other liberal no I don't think that's really true I think that's

  • just another way to marginalize and I don't remember which review that was

  • but and so that this the industry's at writ large will do that and has started

  • to get

  • real quick cycle and I you gotta finish but that that's a review

  • that wants to just say that what MSNBC and worker does is just the antidote to

  • find it and they're both as wrong

  • we know neither of them had that there's no truth in any other yeah exactly

  • now the second thing they change for me is who gives a shit what CNN fix

  • like I before CNN knife I've YouTube you really relevant because they were

  • gender setting the worse large they had this big

  • audience but they also were a media multiplier what happened I CNN effected

  • local news and local radio et cetera

  • so is that still true yes of course largely so true but its waning and

  • waning in waning

  • and I think you know what if that doesn't if CNN doesn't get fixed

  • and I you CNN as mainstream media you know overall

  • in 10 years it is again a matter because they're there on a sinking ship they

  • already hit the iceberg what the

  • I CNN don't change doesn't matter you to go under because you're not going to

  • change

  • so all this like grandiosity pa pa city about like all

  • knows I love who cares you alright yeah

  • I just keep giving me Jane Fonda and Marcia Gay Harden and power suits at

  • boardroom tables and I'm im so

  • you like I gave on demand you just you get a moment like I don't know whether

  • you guys

  • get this as much as mean a lot to do but like

  • Jane Fonda like that scene is 78 times better

  • that if that were some veteran television actress it's just different

  • it has more power

  • exchange I such a fun amazing actors and the the added bonus that she's the

  • former missus ted turner

  • right I think religious right no gets all its a full packet with a question or

  • to bring up so obviously what another stylistic change they made was the the

  • slightly different music but also the the drug dramatically different intro

  • I'll get what you call it was published credits from season one thank god those

  • are gone said

  • because I was so like bold move so important earnings

  • and now it smells like no we're at a job and we're doing our thing in Memphis

  • is all the pieces fit together and yeah exactly yeah long as I know you're

  • talking about I could buy a smoke a little bit

  • and that's the moments like that is well I

  • think answer can watch is the address okay

  • II in exams their Patel right and he usually does if you don't come get some

  • how much the number to use on the outer yeah

  • one billion $71 million or so

  • what Aaron Sorkin's now one of the few Kiley Boster

  • right because not only did he take that the Dev Patel thing where

  • I once was started by like Bigfoot could be real right

  • this whole thing right so I was QC were laughing about that

  • and of course alarms are very similar arguments we make it were nonpartisan we

  • don't like either one other party idea all the service than but in this

  • occupy the criticism occupy not

  • though pro on whoever the criticism that Patel those above argued by

  • is almost word for word from the actors I why don't you just stick with money in

  • politics why do you just have a clear message

  • you know all this like horizontal management is a go to work

  • it's like somebody walks all over shows and then goes back two years it is like

  • news and advice you wish somebody had given them right when they first started

  • not Keith Olbermann I

  • okay is so Wow my nephew's wife who was 22 years old cities like

  • Dutchess a CEO Mike except for the fact that it's clearly not

  • me yeah in 128 every way except I'm

  • yeah I know it was good a proper they've all had been stolen in a hacer beverly

  • was it will probably don't know them rather than

  • no I mean that though the I think the listener act-up that occupy never

  • learned is that non-hierarchical can only take you so far

  • and then whoever shouts the loudest wins in its right

  • that right yes you could dismiss that coulda we believe in Orlando structure

  • go on why do you think that will work you can just restate it with a cool

  • sounding title is there anybody out by Wall Street Dec you

  • I could still use my name so it's a very good way to know what a recent goes on

  • up all the time you choose to work on Wall Street nash's occupying three

  • up by the SEC she's super rainy and very television go back in. watcher at that

  • was on it

  • there are some beautiful girls there including one that was doing nude body

  • painting

  • so you might wanna check it out on Rogers covers this in a hurry if they s

  • organ that technique that he's going to use this year all that sorta frame

  • through a deposition

  • %uh that was social at work right yes that's right for you %ah

  • so a and I think something else to do but to I feel like it was something else

  • but anyway

  • I it's a very effective storytelling method I think that seems like a better

  • he did write a few good men to do with Rosie Romero

  • Butler so then we have a so I like that part is that I think that'll be

  • interesting I were and I'm interested to know what

  • Genoa was i did some reading it sounds like it's based on

  • a time magazine did some stories about sorts

  • something that the government had alleged to die and Laos during the

  • Vietnam War and this may be taken from that

  • that right there when things look better you look that up there on

  • so that when they're taking a nap no did was to it was tellin totally discredited

  • did you go that far do we now believe it was totally describe it was also a very

  • similar to what they're so far describing the

  • should serve as getting that we use and gas in Pakistan or something but that

  • by but again that it won't be true at all that it's totally untrue and that's

  • like so again a mistake I gotta be up

  • you know a big mistake an important step yeah so

  • one reason Aki watching news from one reason to keep watching these reviews

  • yeah I i'm for one reason ok you watching newsroom is

  • look if you could ban come on it's over the top by

  • you can't handle the truth come on rape jack nicholson Tom Cruise

  • less was circa knows he does voters with the glasses right yeah

  • facepalm iraq you're a great film tonight and West Wing over the top in so

  • many different ways in so many different scene see I serve at the pleasure the

  • president right

  • I'll but if you missed a few good men

  • you have to go back and rewatch rate you can't miss a few good men

  • no and if you use will not work right exactly

  • so you're gonna have to watch newsroom because even if it's over the top

  • even if he does the BB watchers the romances et cetera

  • because there's some chance you to look Bango i cant believe I missed that

  • your IBM already is like it or not this is the zeitgeist so you have there been

  • any and all that

  • that you get out your chair about your vest and that doesn't happen in mostar

  • and hope that doesn't happen in most over leaping to pump your fist it

  • doesn't look as awkward as when Olivia Munn

  • did it in a weird little way professor but I do love her and miss out on

  • Flagler is my favorite character on the show because he has a volver a up

  • realistic credible vulnerability that that nobody else s

  • a real seems not the walking into doors but I mean and not blood related

  • tapped again that's just like gotta go with the romance that three way that

  • that love triangle

  • it's just its americanisms I'm least interest love triangle by the way

  • that guy like that you thought get know that your public affairs I

  • if only a you didn't do it consistently for Two and a Half Men

  • I was a little crazy mistake credibility there but yes

  • 22 conclude the reason why she's reviews we've got

  • the best expert I gave a throws and the best expert on mad men.

  • they're in the same review and then I have had him living newsroom at this

  • rate I mean if you're gonna wash your hair newsroom as I yeah

  • further you're alright really quick prediction that I i think is gonna make

  • you guys hate the show on

  • I think that the chance that seas of honor on the bus

  • he is so gonna meet some other staff for something sprang to conservative

  • and because they're they're broken up back in New York something has to be

  • brought in

  • of course but I love triangles are you from Largo matalin's I don't hang in

  • there are people

  • has sex ever again I lesson to be a mod

  • and with you totally different story yeah

  • alright thanks everybody be back next week for episode two

  • I love for get where was it the news for you

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