Public service, it's a bright, sharp, hot spotlight, and most people don't understand it, nor should they.

The thing that I always keep in mind is that none of this is about us in public service.

It's about the people that we serve.

I always tried to push the light back out and focus it on the folks that we're actually here to serve.

But what about when she talked about the fact that she experienced racism?

I mean, I feel like that was heartbreaking to hear that she felt like she was in her own family, you know, her own family thought differently of her.

Race isn't a new construct in this world for people of color, so it wasn't a complete surprise to hear her feelings and to have them articulated, I think.

The thing that I hope for, and the thing I think about, is that this first and foremost is a family, and I pray for forgiveness and healing for them, uh, so that they can use this as a teachable moment for us all.

Yeah, we talk about a lot more, but it was so interesting because, you know, Mrs. Obama has spent a lot of time with the Royal Family as First Lady.

And it's reported that Harry and Meghan called her, um, that, you know, their path in America has taken a lot of similarities to the Obamas.

They both have Netflix deals, they both have deals at Spotify.

And so, it was really interesting to hear her take on all of this.

Yeah, and you have a lot more coming up in a little bit.

You have more of the conversation coming up next hour.

Cover a lot of ground.

We cover a lot of ground.

We hear about the girls moving in, and even the boyfriend.

Oh, you went there too.

-Ah, of course you did. -Thank you.