The public knows them as body language, how we dress, how we walk have meaning.

And we use that to interpret what's in the mind of the person.

My name is Joe Navarro.

And for 25 years I was a special agent with the FBI.

My job was to catch spies.

Most of my career I spent within the national security division, a lot of it had to do with looking at specific targets.

And then it was about, well how do we get in their heads and how do we neutralize them?

Our security is based on nonverbals.

We look at the person through the peephole, we look at who is behind us, at the ATM machine.

We know from the research that most of us select our mates based on nonverbals.

We may think we're very sophisticated.

But in fact we are never in a state where we're not transmitting information.

There's a lot of myths out there.

The ones that stand out is if you cross your arms that it's a blocking behavior.

That's just nonsense.

Even when you don't like the person that is in front of you, this isn't to block them out.

It's actually to self soothe because in essence it's a self hug when you're sitting at a movie and you're watching, you're going to cross your arms, you're waiting for somebody.

You tend to do this.

What's interesting is we do this behavior more in public than in private.

The other one that really stands out is as we think about something.

We may look in a certain way, as we process the information.

We may look in another way.

It's certainly not indicative of deception and it really shouldn't be used that way.

All we can say is the person is processing the information.

The other misconceptions are that if the person clears her throat, touches their nose or covers their mouth, their line, we do these behaviors as self soothe others their pacifying behaviors scientifically and empirically.

There's just no Pinocchio effect.

And people who prattle that and say, well we can detect deception because the person touches their nose or covers their mouth.

That's just sheer nonsense.

We humans are lousy a detecting deception.

Espionage work is often nowhere near what we see in movies.

And in one of the cases, we had information from another country saying you have an american we think is actually a mole who somehow entered the United States is able to pass as an american.

But he's here working for a hostile intelligence service just fortuitously, he was video graphed coming out of a flower shop.

We're looking at the video and everybody in the in our small unit, we were saying, well there's not much there.

you know, He's coming out of the shop getting in his car and I said, stop the film right there.

Just as he came out of the shop, he took the flowers and most americans tend to hold the flowers by the stock so that the flowers are up.

This individual took them and grab the stock and then held the flowers so that they were facing down.

And I said, that's how they carry flowers in eastern europe.

Rather than confront him about, are you a spy?

I decided to do what's called a presumptive.

So as I sat there with him and I said, would you like to know how we know?

And he had this look on his face and I said it was the flowers.

And then he confessed when I came into law enforcement.

I thought it was all about the confession.

It's really about facetime In my 25 years in the FBI.

It was a rarity that a person didn't eventually reveal what I needed to know because we would sit down and have these very lengthy conversations.

I look at behaviors to do an assessment.

What is this person transmitting in relations to any stimuli?

My further questioning comes from my observing these behaviors.

The first thing I look at is I look at the hair, does it look healthy?

Does it look well groomed forehead is very interesting because a lot of times we reveal stress.

A lot of the things that we have gone through life are often etched in the forehead.

I look at the eyes to see if they're red or not enough sleep.

This small area here between the eyes called the globe ella.

It's one of the first areas that reveals information to us most often when we don't like something, we do that bunny nose of, I don't like, we don't really know what our lips look like and we tend to compress them when something bothers us.

When something really bothers us, we tend to suck them in the mandibular and look at the cheeks.

We may do something like this.

Well will rub our tongue against the inside of the cheek.

But when we try to hide it, then it tells me that this person is trying to do some perception management and if they are, I want to know why at the neck.

I want to see if there's any head tilt because head tilt, the person is more relaxed the minute the head tilt goes away, there's usually some issue.

I'm looking at the shoulders.

You ask somebody a question they don't know.

Both shoulders shoot up very quickly and then I look at the hands when something's troubling us, we tend to stiffen our fingers interlaced them and almost like a teepee.

We move our hands back and forth very slowly.

This is to be differentiated from when we do the steeple, which we do in this position.

When something's that issue, we tend to put our hands on our hips and we become very territorial.

This is called arms akimbo, but look how it changes when we put our thumbs forward.

And then it becomes one of more of an inquisitive.

But I also look for any behaviors of ventilating, because men tend to ventilate at the neck and we do at the very instant something bothers us.

And then I look at the legs to see if there's any brushing of the legs with the hands, which is again to pacify, and then the feet do.

I see any behaviors such as wiggling of the feet kicking of the feet?

If I asked a question and all of a sudden defeat, withdraw and are crossed.

Perhaps the person feels a little threatened by that question.

So when we study nonverbals, it's not about making judgments, it's about assessing what is this person transmitting in that moment?

It really is looking at an individual and saying, what are they transmitting?

We're all transmitting at all times.

We choose the clothes that we wear, how we groom ourselves, how we dress, but also how do we carry ourselves?

Are we coming to the office on this particular day with a lot of energy?

Or are we coming in with a different sort of pace and what we look for?

Our differences in behavior?

Down to the minutia of what is this individual's posture as they're walking down the street?

Are they on the inside of the sidewalk?

On the outside?

Can we see his blink rate?

Can we see how often he's looking at his watch?

I know you're blink rate is around 88 times a minute.

But you don't know that you're not sitting there counting all these things factor in because they're transmitting information now, it's up to us to then use that information to say, okay, we need to marshal resources to be on that individual right now work.

So in most Western culture is the first time people touch is when they shake hands, touching becomes that important.

Because we can always remember a time when we shook hands with someone and we didn't like that.

It's also the first time when our bodies release these bonding chemicals that say I like this person or I don't like this person.

So handshaking is both necessary and essential in most cultures.

Good pigeons are supposed to be like dirty birds.

Actually, ever, you know, ladies Hi, I'm joe Navarro, joe.

I'm laura, laura.

How are you?

And you are Khadija.

How are you?

Let me ask you this.

Let's back up a little bit.

Is this comfortable for you?

Yeah, it's a little bit more comfortable.

But it's not for you, is it?

All right, Thank you.

All right.

So keep talking.

What we've done here is we've talked about the importance of space and comfort.

They don't realize is how much further apart they are now standing.

And it's because we have brought this subject up to make them comfortable about saying, hey, it's ok to be comfortable at your perfect distance.

And so now we see when they rock, they rock away from each other and they create this space.

If you notice their feet tend to move around more.

There's a dynamic going on here where they're kind of trying to find, well, what is the perfect space?

What is the perfect distance?

And we know that they're unsettled because of the high degree of movement.

That's, that's going on check.

Mm hmm.

Poker is an interesting game.

The similar attitudes of sitting across from a spy or sitting across from players.

It's their reactions to a stimulus.

We have behaviors indicative of psychological discomfort that we use at home at work or at the poker table.

So we're going to take a look at poker players and some of the body language that you'll find at a typical poker game.

Uh, so so we'll pause it right there.

So one of the things that you first notice is that when a table is called, this is the first time many of them see each other.

This is a great opportunity to be looking for behaviors indicative of discomfort.

We're going to see the individual shifting in his chair.

We're going to see one individual reaching over and grabbing his shoulder.

The woman in this case her shoulders are rather high.

This is a great opportunity even before the game starts to collect poker intelligence.

All right guys, what is good?

So we'll stop right there, look where their hands are at here.

We're looking at player number two and number three, and we notice right away that their hands are on top of the cards.

Some players will cage their cards.

Some players will put their hands directly on top and press them down, and they may do that because the cards have now increased in value Player # one tends to keep his hands very close to his body.

Player number four, she's actually withdrawn her hands from the table because when we like things, we tend to move our hands forward.

When we don't like things, we tend to move the hands away.

These guys are my cards.

So as we look at player # three, I'm often asked about players who shuffle their chips.

What you're really doing is self soothing and this just helps you to make it through the game.

And that's really all we're looking for.

Oh, come on, okay, so we'll stop right there.

Player number five is sitting there, arms cross, you don't see a lot of activity.

That doesn't mean he's not transmitting a lot of information on down the line.

I want to see where those thumbs of his are because he holds them very close when nothing's going on.

But does that change as the game evolves?

Mhm.

If you're looking at nonverbals, it's often useful to look at them at double the speed because all the nonverbals that are critical jump out at you as though it were a caricature.

I want to Alright, so stop right there.

The woman in position number four, you see her head moving around quite a bit, player number three, you see a lot of activity with his hands when we look at player number five now his hands are fully out.

This is as far as we've seen them before at this point, we know that he's engaged in that he's interested.

Now the game is out in the open, 75-80 of the information we need is sitting out there.

What you often see is everybody's looking at their own cards or looking at the community cards.

Rather than looking around, you should be looking around to see what was the reaction, because you're gonna see that reaction again.

You know, in poker, we used to say that you can have a poker face, but I encountered you can't have a poker body somewhere.

It's going to be revealed when I was in college in the early seventies, there were really no courses on non verbal communications, quickly realized that to a great extent, it's really about what you can interpret from behavior.

And so we talk about nonverbals because it matters because it has gravity is because it affects how we communicate with each other when it comes to nonverbals.

This is no small matter, we primarily communicate nonverbally and we always will.