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  • Hello and welcome.

  • We start with the growing diplomatic row between Britain and China over China's treatment of its ethnic wigger minority.

  • Days after Britain joined several other nations in putting restrictions on China.

  • Individual British MPs and other organizations have been hit by sanctions from China.

  • Well, the row has arisen over allegations that Beijing has forced a million ethnic leaders into labor camps, something which China denies.

  • Xinjiang lies in the northwest of China.

  • The region is autonomous, meaning it should have some powers of self governance.

  • But in practice it pages makes it major restrictions by the central government.

  • Wiggles living in the regions speak their own language and see themselves as culturally and ethnically close to Central Asian nations.

  • China has detained leaders at camps where allegations of torture, forced labour and sexual abuse have emerged.

  • The British prime minister, Boris Johnson, has said MPs and other British citizens sanctioned by China today performing a vital role in shining a light on the gross human rights violations being perpetrated against Wigan Muslims.

  • China's acting ambassador to Britain has said human rights in Xinjiang cannot be defined by a few satellite images, and it is also unfair to the 25 million people living in the region.

  • The human rights in Xinjiang cannot be defined by a few satellite images.

  • Fake reports call board together by people thousands of miles away.

  • All the performance by anti China actors or actresses.

  • This is unfair to 25 million people living in the region and also unfair to all the 1.4 billion Chinese people.

  • Well, Beijing's new anti British sanctions apply to nine individuals and four organizations, including a legal chambers.

  • Here's conservative MPs with Ghani, who is one of the people that has just been sanctioned by China.

  • She told me how she found out about it.

  • I got a call quite early this morning from friends and family who had obviously seen it on the news wire.

  • I wasn't aware of it before then.

  • Um, I was a little bit surprised.

  • And now that the UK government had put sanctions in place just on Monday against Chinese officials who are seen to be complicit in the abuse of the weaker, that's two million weaker people kept in prison camps as modern day slaves.

  • So one would assume that maybe they were going to retaliate with sanctions against the executive, for example, ministers and officials.

  • But instead of going for backbench members of parliament who have just on the evidence that they have found and seen has spoken about the plight of the weaker Do you know how this sanctions process is going to affect you?

  • I don't have any more detail.

  • I mean, the sanctions statement states that I can't visit Hong Kong or China and that my assets will be frozen.

  • Apparently, people, um, Chinese people aren't allowed to work with me.

  • Nora companies, um let our Chinese eyes.

  • I'm not sure how they're going to make that make that work, considering my job as an MP means I work with lots of other people.

  • But regardless of whatever the sanction means to me, it is nothing in comparison to the mass abuse of the weaker.

  • And if I have an opportunity to mention one of the things I've spoken about quite a bit in parliament is the forced sterilization of weaker women to the point where there's been an 84% drop in the wigger women in the birth rate.

  • That is a clear marker of genocide.

  • So this has just given me and my colleagues another opportunity to talk about, apply to the weaker and the mass abuse taking place in Xinjiang that there has been much international condemnation and concern raised about what is happening there, including BBC reports.

  • We're seeing some images now highlighting this whole set of concerns.

  • I just wanted the in terms of your own personal work and your own family.

  • Are you worried that that you're now going to face difficulty in terms of how you deal with with commercial relationships, that this could spiral upwards and put a lot of pressure on you?

  • My job as a member of Parliament is to work with many different types of people.

  • I'm not sure what sort of impact will have on me here in the UK or the work of Westminster.

  • I think what it does do is put out a sort of intimidation of members of parliament to try and take.

  • Put them under pressure not to talk about what's happening in Xinjiang, and I think that is the big issue we need to deal with internationally how democracies deal with political interference when they want to undermine the work that's taken up by elected officials as a member of parliament is my job to to to talk about human rights abuses around the world, especially when they impact US virus supply chain.

  • And when a select committee report like the one I sit on the Business Select Committee report producers report based on the evidence and that can identify abuse taking place in Xinxiang.

  • When the Chinese government says that is a that is a report made of lies, it's also undermined the work, the Select Committee and therefore the House of Commons itself, your conservative MP.

  • The conservatives have been in government in this country for 10 years.

  • David Cameron and George Osborne, when when they were in charge were seen as cozying up to China.

  • Have the conservatives got it wrong on China systematically now for several years?

  • Because, of course it is a global superpower and it's going to be difficult for a small group of MPs in the UK to fight them unilaterally.

  • First of all, this isn't about just a small group of pieces.

  • A number of US parliamentarians working on this very issue in in the U.

  • K.

  • And the U.

  • K government itself is the one that put sanctions in place.

  • Um UK members of Parliament are working parliamentarians around the world.

  • The America American government has already declared a genocide against the weaker by the hands of the Chinese state.

  • So this isn't work That's just been done here in the UK This is less about the Conservative Party, but more about the state of the Chinese government and the fact they've got a hardline Chinese government in place at the moment that has no truck with any of our values or international laws whatsoever.

  • And we must be absolutely ground in how we respond to China when it tries to undermine our democracy is here in the UK So do do you think Boris Johnson, the British prime minister, should go further?

  • What further actions would you like to see the UK take now?

  • Well, the prime minister's put out a really stellar tweet this morning, saying that he just looking at the words again, he will.

  • It stands firmly with colleagues who are talking out on human rights abuses.

  • Tweet enough?

  • Well, no.

  • But you know, we've got meetings taking place throughout the day.

  • We've already had sanctions in place.

  • I would like those like to see those sanctions extended to more Chinese officials who are complicit in the abuse in Jinjiang.

  • I would also like to to see you know, we could have our investment also considered, if there are further investments into China to make sure it is in no way linked to the Xinjiang region.

  • So we're not complicit in any abuse of the we go what today has done apart from raised the profile of foreign interference into democracies and the work that MPs do in parliament.

  • But also it's enabled us to speak once again of the plight of the weekend.

  • If the Chinese state thought they were closing that conversation down, all they've done is opened it up to a bigger audience.

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