SHAWN MENDES ON THE SHOW, BLESS YOU GENTLEMEN, I AM SO HAPPY TO

SEE YOU, CAN I BE HONEST, I HAVE NEVER FELT LESS ATTRACTIVE IN A

TRIO IN MY LIFE.

BUT I'M-- I FEEL LIKE I'M A DISTANT COUSIN THAT ONLY COMES

OUT ON THANKSGIVING.

BUT I'M SO HAPPY TO SEE YOU BOTH.

NOW PEOPLE MAY NOT KNOW THIS BUT ARE YOU FRIENDS, MATTHEW, HOW

DID THIS BROMANCE BEGIN.

>> I THINK HE ASKED FOR MY NUMBER, HE CALLED OR I CALLED

YOU, I DON'T REMEMBER, ANYWAY WE KIND OF HIT IT OFF PRETTY

DOGGONE QUICKLY AND I SAW THIS YOUNG MAN WHO I WAS A FAN, I

THINK I MAY HAVE BEEN A FAN OF YOURS BEFORE YOU WERE A FAN OF

MINE.

I WAS A FAN OF YOUR MUSIC.

>> HAVE I BEEN A FAN OF YOURS BEFORE I WAS EVEN-- I HAD BRACES

AND NO ONE EVER KNEW MY NAME, BACK IN CANADA STILL.

BUT I AM PRETTY SURE I FORCED THIS RELATIONSHIP ON YOU.

I MEAN I MENTIONED ON STIN GRA.

I GOT A CALL, I I WAS IN DESPERATE NEED OF ADVICE AND

THAT IS HOW IT STARTED SCWZ WHAT WAS THE ADVICE, CAN YOU REMEMBER

WHAT SHAWN ASKED YOU ABOUT?

>> SHAWN, WHAT DID WE TALK B WE TALKED ABOUT WHERE YOU ARE RIGHT

NOW, AND LIFE, I MEAN, WE SHARED SOME STORIES THAT WERE SIMILAR

SITUATIONS.

I MEAN LOOK, HE CALLED, WE STARTED TALKING, I IMMEDIATELY

SAW SOMEBODY, I WAS LIKE THIS SAY REALLY CONCIENCIOUS YOUNG

MAN, REALLY TO US CANNED, SELF-DETERMINED, SORT OF AN OLD

SOUL.

I WAS LIKE, HERE SAY GUY WHO IS CHOOSING TO CHALLENGE HIMSELF

PROFESSIONALLY AND PERSONALLY.

AND SO WHAT DID WE TALK ABOUT.

>> I THINK I WAS LOOKING FOR SOME COUNSEL ON LIKE HOW TO JUST

TAKE THE BLAME AND TAKE THE GLORY.

AND I THINK YOU TOLL ME SOMETHING THAT I DID, THIS WAS

ACTUALLY BEFORE I READ THE BOOK.

BUT YOU SAID YOU HAVE TO BE THE AUTHOR OF YOUR OWN LIFE.

AND I THINK THERE COMES A POINT IN EVERYBODY'S LIFE WHERE YOU

KIND OF HAVE TO START MAKING YOUR OWN CHOICES AND THAT MEANS

TAKING THE BLAME WHEN THINGS GO WRONG AND TAKING THE GLORY WHEN

THINGS GO RIGHT.

AFTER THAT CONVERSATION, IT WAS LIKE ALL THESE OPPORTUNITIES, I

JUST HEARD YOU IN MY EAR, YOU HAVE TO BE THE AUTHOR OF YOUR

OWN LIFE, I GOT, THIS I'M GOING TO DO THIS.

AND IT WAS-- YEAH, IT REALLY HELPED ME.

IT REALLY DID HELP ME.

I TOLD YOU, I MESSAGED YOU A BUNCH OF TIMES.

AND THEN I READ THE BOOK, I WAS GROWING MY HAIR OUT, UNBUTTONED

A BUTTON IN HIGH IN MY SHIRT.

I WAS DOING EVERYTHING IN MY POWER TO BE YOU.

>> James: I MEAN LET'S TALK, YOU BOTH HAVE INCREDIBLE

PROJECTS THIS PAST YEAR.

SHAWN HAS MENTIONED YOUR INCREDIBLE MEMOIR, GREEN LIGHTS,

A NEW YORK TIMES BEST SELLER.

IT IS A VERY REVEALING LOOK AT YOUR LIFE.

HOW DID IT FEEL NOW TO HAVE THIS OUGHT THERE IN THE WORLD AND YOU

KNOW, BEING AN INSPIRATION FOR SHAWN AND ALL OF US KNOWING, ALL

OF THESE DETAILS ABOUT YOUR LIFE THAT YOU SHARED.

>> IT IS A DREAM ACTUALLY, I WAS VERY HONEST.

I TALKED ABOUT A LOT OF-- SUCCESSES, AND WHAT SOME

PEOPLE CALL WARTS AND ALL.

I THINK MY FAVORITE THING ABOUT IT, I BET YOU SHAWN CAN ATTEST

TO THIS AS A MUSICIAN, AS AN ARTIST WHEN YOU PUT SOMETHING

OUT, WE DON'T WRITE IT OR MAKE THE MUSIC THINKING OH IT'S GOT

TO BE FOR SOMEONE ELSE.

IT HAS TO BE VERY PERSONAL.

BUT WHEN YOU PUT SOMETHING PERSONAL OUT, THAT TRANSLATES TO

MANY DIFFERENT PEOPLE, AND IN A PARTICULAR WAY.

AND THEY SEE THEMSELVES IN YOUR STORY OR HEAR THEMSELVES IN YOUR

SONG.

OR HAVE THAT SIMILAR SIRKS IN THEIR LIFE AND THEY COME BACK TO

YOU AND GO HERE IS WHAT I GOT FROM IT.

OR OH, THIS REMINDED ME OF THIS TIME IN MY LIFE.

THAT IS MY FAVORITE THING IS HEARING DIFFERENT PEESM LIKE

SHAWN SAY THERE IS WHAT IT MEANT TO ME.

THIS IS WHAT I GOT FROM IT.

AND I ALSO FOUND AND I BET SHAWN YOU WILL ATTEST TO THIS.

IN THE MORE PERSONAL YOU GET, ACTUALLY THE MORE RELATABLE YOUR

WORK BECOMES.

AND IT WOULD SEEM LIKE A CONTRADICTION BUT IT'S NOT.

>> LEFT'S TALK ABOUT YOU ARE WHY ALBUM, SHAWN, WONDER, IT CAME

OUT ON FRIDAY, IT'S ON TRACK TO BE YOUR FOURTH NUMBER ONE ALBUM

IN A ROW.

YOU HAVE SAID THAT THE ALBUM FEELS LIKE FREEDOM TO YOU.

WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT?

>> I MEAN I REALLY, I THINK WENT THROUGH A MOMENT THIS TIME

AROUND WHERE I SAID TO MYSELF LIKE YOU HAVE TO LET GO OF THE

EXPECTATION OF JUST HAVING TO BE A FOWRTD NUMBER ONE ALBUM.

YOU JUST HAVE TO BE HAPPY WITH MACKING MUSIC AND REALLY

ENJOYING IT.

IT TOOK A LONG TIME FOR ME TO GET TO A PLACE WHERE I WALKED

INTO THE STUDIO AND I WAS LIKE WHATEVER HAPPENS HAPPENS, THIS

IS THE MAGIC OF ART, BUT WHEN I DID THAT, I MEAN I DON'T WANT

TO-- I LOVE THIS MUSIC, THERE IS THE BEST, THE COOLEST, THE MOST

EXCITING MUS NIK MY OPINION THAT I HAVE EVER MADE AND I ADORE IT.

I MEAN I'M SO PROUD OF IT.

MORE THAN ANY OTHER.

AND THAT'S BECAUSE I THINK I DID IT FROM THE MOST FREE PLACE I

HAVE EVER BEEN, BUT YEAH, LOOK AT THAT, I AM IN THE MIDDLE OF

THE OCEAN THERE.

>> I ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT I THINK THE RECORD IS SO BRILLIANT AND

IT FEELS LIKE A TRUE PROGRESSION FOR YOU AS AN ARTIST.

IT REALLY DOES, MATTHEW, I WANT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THIS.

YOU RECENTLY DID A VIRTUAL LIVE STREAM OF YOUR STAR-MAKING

PERFORMANCE IN DAZE AND CORN FUSED.

WHAT DID IT FEEL LIKE TO GO BACK AND REVISIT THAT CHARACTER AND

THAT TIME.

>> IN DAZED, YOU KNOW, WE GOT ON AND I HADN'T SEEN A LOT OF THAT

CAST IN 28 YEARS.

YOU WE GOT TO HANG FOR 30 MINUTES BEFORE WE WENT ON THE

LIVE READ CATCHING UP WITH EVERYBODY AND RETELLING STORIES

AND HEARING PEOPLE GO NO, THAT IS NOT HOW IT HAPPENED, IT WENT

DOWN LIKE THIS.

WE WERE HAVING A BALL BEFORE WE EVEN GOT ON WITH THAT READ.

BUT THEN TO GO IN AND DO IT AGAIN.

YOU KNOW, THAT WAS MY FIRST FILM.

AND I WOULDN'T BE SITTING HERE TALKING TO YOU TWO WITH THE LIFE

I HAVE IF I DIDN'T HAVE THAT FILM AND THAT SUMMER OF 1992,

DIRECTOR RICHARD LINK LETTER INVITING ME TO SET, BACK TO SET

EVERY NIGHT FOR THREE WEEKS IN WHAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THREE

LINE AND KEPT INVITING ME BACK.

AND THAT CAST, THEY WOULD ASK ME QUESTIONS, THAT WEREN'T EVEN

SCRIPTED.

THEY WERE INVITING ME INTO THE SCIPT AND ALL OF A SUDDEN I'M ON

THE TRAIN WITH THEM AND IN THE MOVIE.

I WORKED FOR THREE WEEKS AND TURNED OUT TO BE A MAIN

CHARACTER.

I HAVE NEVER HAD A BETTER EXPERIENCE.

I REALLY LEARNED HOW TO CREATE, COLLABORATE AND ACT ON THAT

FILM.

>> James: WELL, WE'RE SO GLAD YOU DID.

WE REALLY, REALLY ARE.

LOVELY CHATTING TO YOU BOTH.