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  • Morse: "Cleaning your fruits and vegetables with bleach

  • is effective."

  • Madad: That is completely false.

  • We used to think that.

  • Morse: "All schools should reopen

  • because kids can't get COVID-19."

  • We used to think that.

  • But now we know it's not true.

  • Hi, I'm Stephen Morse,

  • professor of epidemiology.

  • My name is Dr. Syra Madad,

  • and I'm an infectious disease epidemiologist

  • here in New York City.

  • Morse: In the past, we have debunked a number of myths.

  • But new myths keep coming up,

  • and the same old ones keep coming back.

  • So let's get to work debunking more myths today.

  • Madad: "Wearing a mask doesn't do anything."

  • Morse: And there are people who believe that.

  • And one reason is that until recently,

  • we weren't really recommending masks

  • because we didn't know that they actually do a lot of good.

  • There's a recent study from Hong Kong

  • that was published in Nature

  • that proves that even surgical masks

  • can prevent infected people

  • from passing on the infection to others.

  • Madad: We have seen that in states

  • that didn't have a mask mandate,

  • once they had that mask mandate,

  • over a period of time, you did see

  • the number of cases go down.

  • So it's important to continue to wash your hands

  • and keep your distance while also wearing a mask.

  • Morse: "Wearing a mask is dangerous

  • because you'll get carbon dioxide poisoning."

  • But it takes a lot of carbon dioxide to do it,

  • and all of that actually

  • goes through the mask quite readily.

  • So it doesn't build up in the mask.

  • And we know that even when people are wearing masks,

  • their oxygen levels in the blood

  • are perfectly normal if they're not sick.

  • So part of it is really getting used to it,

  • the way we get used to wearing a necktie, for example.

  • Madad: Looking at those healthcare workers

  • that do wear it for an extended period of time,

  • that's a great model to show you

  • that it does not cause carbon dioxide poisoning or toxicity.

  • Morse: "All schools should reopen

  • because kids can't get COVID-19."

  • Once the schools reopen,

  • we're gonna see a situation

  • where there are a lot of kids together

  • and the possibility of transmission becomes much greater.

  • Madad: And on top of that, it's not also just the kids,

  • it's also the teachers and the adults

  • that are in these schools

  • that are also at risk.

  • And so we wanna protect everybody.

  • There are countries in Asia

  • that have reopened schools successfully

  • and have been able to remain open.

  • They started off with having low number of cases,

  • and they also had contingency plans in place

  • where you have smaller classroom sizes,

  • children sitting further apart, wearing masks.

  • You also have countries that have shown

  • that they opened schools too early,

  • and then they had to close down multiple times.

  • And so we wanna make sure we're in a position

  • that we have the upper hand

  • when it comes to this virus.

  • "Asymptomatic people aren't contagious."

  • Morse: Asymptomatic people, people who feel

  • and look perfectly well,

  • are contagious to others.

  • And we worry about them

  • because they may not know what they're spreading.

  • Madad: In fact, during the early days,

  • that is when you are most infectious.

  • Morse: The reality is we have to assume

  • that anyone who could have it,

  • indeed could have it,

  • and they could pass it on to others.

  • This is why we're making recommendations

  • that everybody should wear a mask,

  • even if they're feeling well,

  • because we don't know and they themselves may not know

  • that they could be infected

  • and able to infect others.

  • Madad: "Young, healthy people won't die from COVID-19."

  • We have seen cases where you have individuals

  • that have no medical condition

  • still unfortunately die from COVID-19.

  • Morse: It may be a very small proportion,

  • but when you have a very large number of infected people,

  • those numbers add up very quickly.

  • Madad: We are seeing, based on certain data

  • that is coming out, is that even with young people,

  • if they don't have a severe case of COVID-19,

  • they are at increased risk, for example,

  • of strokes and other types of ailments.

  • And so looking at the death rate in the young

  • is a false sense of security.

  • Morse: "You cannot get COVID-19 twice."

  • Madad: We still don't know

  • what long-term immunity looks like,

  • and so in the immediate future,

  • can you get reinfected with COVID-19

  • in a short period of time?

  • The likelihood is no.

  • Individuals that have been tested positive again

  • for COVID-19 likely just have residual virus

  • in their body or in their bodily fluids.

  • But in terms of long term,

  • can you get COVID-19 a year after or two years after?

  • That is something that we still don't know yet,

  • and it's one of those things that time will tell.

  • Morse: If you get it again, will it be less bad,

  • will it be worse, will it be the same?

  • We don't know.

  • Madad: "You won't get the virus if you hold your breath

  • when someone sneezes or coughs."

  • But what we know about these virus particles

  • is that they can still land on your mucus membrane

  • even if you're not breathing.

  • So, for example, if you're touching a high-touch surface

  • and then you're touching your mucus membrane,

  • you obviously are able to transmit the virus

  • through that indirect means, if you will.

  • Morse: So, we have alternatives.

  • We have masks, we have good hand hygiene,

  • and social distancing

  • to make sure that you won't be in the line of fire

  • when somebody coughs or sneezes.

  • That's a lot safer than holding your breath.

  • Madad: "Consuming disinfectants will kill the virus."

  • Bleach and other types of disinfectants

  • are not to be used for ingesting

  • or injecting or to put on skin.

  • These are corrosive chemicals.

  • They can actually cause death and disability.

  • Morse: Use it on your floors. Use it on your countertops.

  • That's where it really does the work,

  • and that's what really helps.

  • "Cleaning your fruits and vegetables

  • with bleach is effective."

  • Madad: That is completely false.

  • If you're going to be putting chemicals

  • on fruit and vegetables that you are then going to ingest,

  • you're putting yourself more in harm's way.

  • So, washing your fruit and vegetables

  • is very similar to how you were washing your fruit

  • and vegetables before COVID-19 existed.

  • Washing it under water and making sure

  • that you're cleaning any fruit and vegetable.

  • These are just basic good practices.

  • 'Cause it's not just COVID-19

  • that obviously you wanna make sure

  • that you are preventing,

  • but it's also all the other microbes

  • that can cause illnesses.

  • "Warm weather will stop the coronavirus."

  • Morse: Well, here we are at the end of July,

  • and if anyone still believes that myth,

  • I think we have plenty of proof.

  • Madad: There's an epidemiological potential significance

  • to warmer weather because people are going outside,

  • but in terms of the weather itself

  • and the effect on the virus,

  • it has not shown to have impact.

  • Morse: So, until we find something like a vaccine

  • that's effective or something else

  • that's going to stop it,

  • this virus, given the opportunity to infect,

  • will continue to infect.

  • "99% of cases aren't dangerous."

  • Yes, it is true that probably

  • only about 1%

  • of those people who get infected

  • and get sick are going to die,

  • but many of the others will get very sick,

  • and some of the others will get so sick

  • that they may be affected for life.

  • Madad: Our indicator should not be the death rate,

  • because you can have individuals

  • that may have survived the infection of COVID-19

  • but then go on to suffer a stroke

  • because of the long-term effects of COVID-19.

  • Morse: So a lot of these cases really are dangerous.

  • Madad: "The United States has one

  • of the lowest mortality rates."

  • Taking the mortality at its face value

  • is a huge disservice

  • because it's not painting the full picture

  • in terms of the whole effect

  • that COVID-19 has on an individual.

  • Morse: Unfortunately, when you think about

  • the entire population on mortality rate,

  • it's actually unbelievably high.

  • We don't really want to measure this

  • by the number of people

  • who get saved at the last minute.

  • What we wanna aim for is really a low infection rate,

  • because the infection is gonna be there.

  • Mortality rate proves you're just getting better

  • at treating the severe cases.

  • Madad: "5G technology is spreading COVID-19."

  • COVID-19 is spread by respiratory droplets

  • when somebody coughs, sneezes, or talks.

  • 5G towers and technology do not have an influence

  • on your ability to get infected with COVID-19.

  • Morse: The reality is the two are totally unrelated.

  • You can spread computer viruses

  • through technology on the internet,

  • but real viruses requires human contact.

  • "The media is blowing the pandemic out of proportion."

  • I really wish this were true.

  • And I think it depends a lot

  • on which media you're listening to.

  • By talking about conspiracy theories

  • and "no big deal," to say that it's all a hoax,

  • these things help the virus.

  • The virus doesn't care.

  • The reality is it's here, it's real,

  • it will infect given the opportunity.

  • Madad: It is science, and it is evidence,

  • and it is public health that will save lives.

  • It's not politicians, it's not conspiracy theories,

  • it's not misinformation.

  • And as we continue to learn together,

  • the public-health guidance will change,

  • because we wanna go with what we know to be effective

  • in terms of keeping everybody safe.

  • Morse: Stay safe, stay well, and...

  • Madad: Stay tuned and stay informed,

  • and that's very important.

Morse: "Cleaning your fruits and vegetables with bleach

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