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  • THE US DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE HAS MADE SOME HEADLINES BY CHARGING MEMBERS OF CHINA'S MILITARY

  • WITH HACKING INTO THE COMPUTERS OF US COMPANIES TO STEAL TRADE SECRETS. THE

  • CHARGES WERE A FIRST BUT CAME AS NO SURPRISE. EXPERTS SAY CHINA FOR YEARS HAS BEEN TRYING

  • TO STEAL DATA FROM US CORPORATIONS, INTEREST GROUPS, MEDIA AND EVEN THE

  • GOVERNMENT. JOINING ME NOW FOR MORE IS HE

  • IS OUR VOA ONLINE SECURITY AND FREEDOM BLOGGER. SO DOUG, WHAT EXACTLY IS THE US CHARGING CHINA

  • WITH?

  • WELL FIRST AND FOREMOST, EXACTLY NOBODY IS SURPRISED THAT A LOT OF HACKING IS COMING

  • FROM CHINA. THE US GOVERNMENT HAS BEEN COMPLAINING ABOUT THIS AS HAVE CORPORATIONS FOR

  • YEARS. WHAT'S NEW IN THIS INDICTMENT IS THAT FOR THE FIRST TIME THE US GOVERNMENET IS SAYING

  • ELEMENTS OF THE CHINESE GOVERNMENT -- SPECIFICALLY THE ARMY -- AND SPECIFIC

  • INDIVIDUALS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR INTENTIONALLY HACKING INTO US PRIVATE CORPORATE COMPUTERS

  • WITH THE INTENT TO STEAL RESEARCH AND TRADE SECRETS.

  • AND AS I UNDERSTAND IT THEY WERE ACTUALLY ABLE TO TRACK THE INDIVIDUALS THEMSELVES AS

  • OPPOSED TO THE LOCATION.

  • WHICH IS REALLY A FIRST-TIME EVENT AND VERY DIFFICULT. THERE'S A LOT OF FORENSICS THAT

  • WENT INTO ACTUALLY PUTTING THIS INDICTMENT TOGETHER.

  • AND SO YOU'VE TALKED WITH SOME OF THE ANALYSTS WHO HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT SOME OF THE TECHNIQUES

  • THAT THEY USED. AND SO, HAVE THEY BEEN DOING ANYTHING UNIQUE?

  • NOT UNIQUE, BUT WHAT'S INTERESTING I THINK IS THIS WAS NOT A ONE-AND-DONE HACK. THIS

  • WAS RELATIVELY SOPHISTICATED, LONG TERM, AND REQUIRED A LOT OF RESEARCH. WHAT THE

  • CHINESE DID IS USE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD CALL SOCIAL ENGINEERING. SO THAT'S BASICALLY

  • TRICKING SOMEBODY INTO THINKING THAT YOU'RE TRUSTWORTHY AND THAT YOU'RE SOMEBODY

  • OTHER THAN WHO YOU ACTUALLY ARE.

  • SO WHY IS THE US ALLEGING THAT THE CHINESE MILITARY IS ACTUALLY INVOLVED IN HACKING US

  • SITES BUT THERE ARE CORPORATE AND NOT STATE SECRETS THAT ARE SAID TO BE TARGETED. SO

  • WHY CORPORATE INTERESTS?

  • WHY CORPORATE INTERESTS, AND WHY THE ARMY I THINK ARE TWO GOOD QUESTIONS. FIRST TO CORPORATE

  • INTERESTS. I THINK A LOT OF ANALYSTS WOULD TELL YOU THAT THE CHINESE LAG BEHIND

  • THE US IN TERMS OF INTELLECTUAL PATENTS, RESEARCH, DEVELOPMENT, THAT KIND OF STUFF. SO THIS HACKING

  • CAN GIVE THESE CHINESE FIRMS AN UNFAIR LEG UP. ALSO REMEMBER, LOOK,

  • CORPORATIONS I THINK DON'T ALWAYS HAVE REALLY GOOD NETWORK SECURITY. THE US GOVERNMENT IS

  • PRETTY GOOD ABOUT KEEPING ITS INFORMATION SECRET ON ITS COMPUTERS, SO THE

  • CORPORATIONS I THINK WERE AN EASY TARGET. NOW, WHY THE MILITARY? WELL ONE ANALYST I

  • SPOKE WITH PUT IT THIS WAY: WHEN YOU HAVE AN IMPORTANT JOB TO DO, YOU SEND IN THE A-

  • TEAM. AND IN CHINA, THE A-TEAM IS THE MILITARY.

  • OK AND SO THE OTHER WAY AROUND THOUGH, CHINA CERTAINLY HAS BEEN MAKING TIT-FOR-TAT, I GUESS

  • I SHOULD SAY CHINA'S MAKING FREQUENT ALLEGATIONS AGAINST THE US OF DOING THE

  • SAME THING.

  • EXACTLY. AND THEY HAVE ACCUSED THE US OF SPYING. LOOK, EVERYBODY SPIES. EVERYBODY HACKS. I

  • DON'T THINK IN THE US CASE YOU HAVE TO GO MUCH FURTHER THAN JUST SAYING 'EDWARD

  • SNOWDEN.' THE DIFFERENCE IS THE CHINESE ALLEGATIONS HAVE BEEN JUST THAT: RUMOR AND ALLEGATIONS

  • AND NEVER PROVEN. WHAT'S NEW AND INTERESTING HERE IS THAT THE US GOVERNMENT

  • IS SAYING NOT ONLY DO WE KNOW YOU'RE DOING THIS, BUT NOW WE CAN PROVE IT.

  • ALRIGHT, VOA'S DOUG BERNARD, OUR CYBER EXPERT HERE AT THE VOICE OF AMERICA. THANKS A LOT

  • DOUG.

  • THANK YOU.

THE US DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE HAS MADE SOME HEADLINES BY CHARGING MEMBERS OF CHINA'S MILITARY

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