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  • "The US president has arrived in India."

  • "A lavish spectacle."

  • "...whole world watching the US president's visit to India."

  • A lot of the news coming out of India has revolved around Trump's visit.

  • But I know that there's a lot more going on in India at the moment.

  • Can you tell us what's happening in Delhi?

  • Right now, Delhi is in a state I would say of uneasy tension.

  • We saw a really gruesome 72-hour period of violence

  • that broke out between Hindus and Muslims in the northeastern part of Delhi.

  • Cars burning, mosques being torn down

  • People being killed and beaten, pelted with stones, and so on.

  • Around 40 people were killed in Delhi and hundreds were injured.

  • It is true that there was Muslim-led violence.

  • But when you step back and look at who bore the brunt, it was the Muslim community.

  • Why is this happening? What sparked the situation?

  • Since the Modi government came back to power in May of 2019

  • it has moved with a real sense of urgency and a clarity of purpose

  • towards enacting a kind of pro-Hindu agenda.

  • The most recent thing it has done is enacted this citizenship amendment bill.

  • So what the bill does is it provides expedited citizenship

  • to illegal migrants who end up in India

  • from one of three neighboring countries, Afghanistan, Bangladesh, and Pakistan,

  • if those people belong to essentially any religious community other than Islam.

  • Immediately we saw protests in the streets primarily from Muslims.

  • So why is this bill so controversial?

  • This was seen as actually a prelude to an even larger initiative

  • to create a national register of Indian citizens.

  • Many Indian citizens whose families have lived there for generations,

  • they don't actually have the documents to help them prove their citizenship.

  • So you can imagine a scenario where both Hindus and Muslims cannot prove their citizenship.

  • But Hindus will be given a kind of lifeline through the citizenship Amendment Act

  • because they can be given amnesty essentially.

  • Where Muslims, because they're specifically denied expedited citizenship under the law,

  • would have no other recourse.

  • And this raises a question. If there is a process to figure out who is a legitimate resident and who's not,

  • what do you do with the people who are not?

  • What do you do with the people who are deemed illegal?

  • Tens of thousands queued up across Assam to check if they're Indians or not.

  • Detention centers for illegal citizens.

  • India's first detention center in Assam. Many more are planned.

  • There have been detention camps built in Assam. It is a pilot project in a sense.

  • The protests began first at primarily Muslim colleges and universities in and around Delhi.

  • But then they quickly spread all around the country,

  • where you saw in some cases hundreds of thousands of people saying this new law is

  • antithetical to the liberal secular democratic spirit of the Constitution.

  • And some of the Hindu majority sections in Delhi

  • were a growing increasingly outraged with the severity of the protests.

  • They really use the fact of these protests to fuel counter protests.

  • You have legislators who are using their bully pulpit to kind of fan these flames.

  • The riots that we've seen in recent days have been restricted to Delhi.

  • The real worry is that what we saw in Delhi

  • is potentially the harbinger of what could happen on a larger scale in other parts of the country.

  • Once the the violence broke out in Delhi, how was it addressed?

  • It took about 72 hours for the police to essentially flood the streets with enough manpower to restore order.

  • And the lingering question is why it took so long.

  • If this was such a brazen display of violence,

  • why didn't the police do anything about it?

  • And in fact there's video and photographic evidence to suggest

  • that in many cases police either looked the other way

  • or aided and abetted the mobs.

  • Prime Minister Modi was very slow in issuing a statement about the violence.

  • This was during the tail end of US President Donald Trump's visit to India, a state visit.

  • You would see the president meeting Prime Minister Modi and you would see parts of Delhi going up in flames.

  • He could have spoken sooner to try to cool the tensions.

  • People that are out in the streets protesting, what is it that they want to achieve with these protests?

  • They want to see, essentially, the government repudiate or repeal this new bill.

  • Or amend it so that it does not, by omission, single out Muslims. That's number one.

  • I think number two is, they want some kind of credible commitment that this is not a prelude to

  • an all-India citizens registry.

  • What has created so much uncertainty and so much angst is that no one knows what the endgame actually is,

  • if they actually go through this process and they find people who are illegals.

  • That question mark is why you see so much anxiety right now in India.

"The US president has arrived in India."

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