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  • Now the president says that he's going

  • to send in military to stop the protests.

  • Thoughts on that?

  • You know, Ellen, I have to give thought to him.

  • Because he is the president.

  • But I just wish, in an ideal world, I didn't.

  • Because for every single second that I give energy to him,

  • it's wasted energy.

  • This president is a lost cause.

  • And that's why it, again, will take people of good conscience

  • to stand up and say, enough is enough.

  • And in the same way that he allowed Dr. Fauci and Dr.

  • Birx to give credibility to the information we were receiving

  • on COVID-19, I just wish that he would do that

  • to this conversation.

  • He has an inability to empathize with anything.

  • And this situation is no different.

  • So when you're talking about bringing a military force--

  • I said this yesterday and I'll say it again.

  • America is a tinderbox right now.

  • And his tongue is a match.

  • And every time he speaks, he throws another match

  • on his tinder box.

  • And he's making it worse.

  • And so I just--

  • it's truly my hope that somebody of good conscience,

  • whether it's from the Senate or someone else of stature,

  • will stand in the gap and speak the things that America

  • needs to hear right now.

  • Because this is not a partisan issue.

  • I've been working with Governor Kemp since Friday

  • on how we are coordinating and addressing

  • the protests in Atlanta.

  • It's not a partisan issue.

  • This is a people issue.

  • And I just wish that he would stop.

  • It's not incumbent on you to be doing this.

  • But you should know that you are stepping into that gap.

  • By being on our show, by speaking out,

  • you are stepping into that vacuum.

  • And I think you should be aware how important

  • and how healing your words have been for all of us.

  • And how necessary.

  • I mean, obviously, we're talking about a lack of leadership.

  • But it's frightening to me.

  • And it is not a partisan thing.

  • Even these peaceful protesters who were in Washington,

  • and they throw tear gas so he can

  • go get a photo op with a Bible in his hand,

  • no one is saying or telling him to stop.

  • And the reality is this.

  • When there is this much anger in this country,

  • it's all of our problem.

  • We're talking about the trauma and the post-traumatic stress

  • that young men of color are feeling in this country.

  • It explodes.

  • And you can't put your head in the sand

  • and act like it's not an issue for all of us.

  • Because we're watching in real time

  • this explosion on our streets across America.

  • And so it behooves all of us to care about this.

  • Because it is impacting all of us.

  • And it will continue to impact us in the same way

  • that the Civil Rights Movement was just that.

  • It was a movement.

  • It was a long movement.

  • And it went on for years, and years, and years.

  • If we're going to have a true movement for change

  • in this country, we at least want

  • it to be a peaceful, purposeful movement.

  • But for us to stay in this state of chaos

  • with a president who is continuing

  • to do harm to us as a country, it's simply not sustainable.

  • Yeah, it's not going to go anywhere but bad.

  • I guess in conclusion, where do we go from here?

  • What do you think is the next step?

  • I think the next step is for us to succinctly articulate

  • what it is that we want.

  • We know what our pain is.

  • We know what our hurt is.

  • But now we've got to articulate what the point of satisfaction

  • is.

  • And that's the work that I look forward

  • to leading with the people on the ground in Atlanta

  • and with our activists in being able to succinctly say,

  • this is what we need to see happen in America.

  • We know that in the same way the Obama-Biden administration

  • left a pandemic handbook, next to that handbook

  • was one on policing in the 21st century.

  • And it created a very clear framework

  • on how you create trust and you build trust in communities

  • by not having the first interaction

  • with police officers and young people

  • be when somebody is chasing someone down the street.

  • We have something.

  • We have a foundation to build upon.

  • I think it's just incumbent upon all of us

  • to now finish the work.

  • Well, I will be that platform for you and for anybody

  • else who wants to come in and tell us

  • what you need, what you want, what

  • we can do to help make change.

  • And I think just like Ellen said--

  • sorry to interrupt, Ellen.

  • But this isn't a moment in time.

  • This has to be ongoing for us.

  • And Ellen and I, as two privileged white people,

  • have to make that commitment.

  • And part of that commitment as our season is ending

  • is that, next year, you be a part of our voice.

  • And you help us.

  • And we help you to get the message out that

  • needs to be gotten out.

  • Thank you.

  • Anytime you want to talk to us. thank you so much.

  • And stay safe.

  • We'll see you soon.

  • Thank you.

  • Thank you.

  • We'll be back.

Now the president says that he's going

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