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  • (interviewer) Imagine ourselves 400 years ago.

  • They had about a 15% literacy rate.

  • And I suspect that if you were to talk to someone who could read back then

  • and ask them, "What percentage of the population do you think is capable of

  • reading?" They might have said, " Well, maybe 20%, 25%."

  • Now you fast forward 400 years, we know that's a wildly pessimistic

  • prediction or assumption. But it's actually 99.99% of the population

  • is capable of reading. Well, what similar blinders do we have on today?

  • So, I'm excited to have Carol Dweck here, one of my personal heroes and

  • who strongly influenced a lot of the work at Kahn Academy.

  • Carol, great to have you here.

  • (Carol) Pleasure to be here Sal.

  • (Sal) So, so, what I like

  • to start off with this word: growth mindset.

  • Which I believe you came up with.

  • (Carol) Mmhm. (Sal) Um, when did you come up

  • with that? What was the motivation and what is it?

  • (Carol) A growth mindset is when

  • students believe that their abilities can be developed. A fixed mindset is

  • when they think, "I just have a certain amount and that's it."

  • (Sal) This isn't just kind of feel good talk,

  • this is actually based in science, that you actually,

  • the brain actually does grow stronger, neural connections actually do form

  • when you struggle.

  • (Carol) In study after

  • study we have shown that kids

  • who have a growth mindset get higher grades. It's not a choice

  • between the outcome and the mindset. It shows that, if kids engage deeply and

  • effectively in a learning process, their grades and test scores are a natural

  • byproduct. Kids who are praised for their intelligence, our research shows,

  • don't want a challenge afterwards, they don't want to work hard on something, and

  • if they had difficulty, that's it. We find that when we praise or parents praise

  • the process the child engages in, their hard work, but not just hard work, their

  • strategies, their ideas, their focus, their perseverance, then the student

  • learns these are the ingredients of success. If it gets harder,

  • I'll just do these things. We've already done work

  • with you, uh, inserting growth mindset statements before a math

  • problems, and we found together that kids did better.

  • (Sal) So one thing that I hope is,

  • the folks listening to these videos, go out there and tell

  • their parents, tell their children, tell their peers, tell their teachers, tell

  • their students about growth mindset. Tell them that their brain grows when

  • they get a question wrong, when they

  • struggle, when they look at their errors and

  • they say, "Hey, that's an interesting!" That you shouldn't be

  • ashamed of your mistake, that you should view that as something

  • that is interesting; something to explore. When you do that, you will

  • actually, physically, form neural connections. Your brain will

  • actually grow.

(interviewer) Imagine ourselves 400 years ago.

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