Jamie could even Gary.

Before we start this discussion, I would just like to convey our three, indeed, everybody at Sky Sports.

Sincere condolences to the Manchester City coach Pep Guardiola, who suddenly lost his mother today to the Corona virus disease.

Her thoughts not just with him.

Indeed, everybody has lost a loved one at this time.

Of course, the Corona virus has affected the whole world, and it's affecting affect and rather football, too.

On how football is dealing with it is a matter of some hot debate right now, they're seemingly is no agreement at the moment, inside between players and clubs with regard to wage cuts or, indeed, deferrals.

Gary Up.

I want to start with you.

How much do you think that before talk the even taken place?

There was a bad tone set by the manner in which the talks were put forward by various parties?

I think it may look it's a complex issue, Jeff, I think for a start, I think for a start that were talking about football being stopped now for three weeks, I think football should have dealt with this a lot quicker.

Me, me and Jamie in the program.

I think 2.5 3 weeks ago, where one of the last programs that we did, where we said there was a huge opportunity if a football to set the tone.

It's such an important part in people's lives and sexual important part of what England transport around the world, billions of people watch it and there's a really strong the chance that a football set the tone than everybody else would follow and do the right thing.

I think what we saw at the end of last week was the star of Ah unsavory episode over the weekend.

I think the premier Li caught the players by surprise, put them in the back for asking for a 12 month reduction in pay at 30% without any pre warning.

The players, whilst maybe not the the finance experts of this country, that they understand a sharp enough to understanding Street wise enough to understand that they want the wool pulled over their eyes.

And I think that the players fall into a group of different categories.

You've got a group of players that a round of contracting three months who may be the last three months of pay they're going to receive before they probably have no income for the foreseeable future.

You've got a group of players who ah, potentially going to get relegated and would take significant wage cuts anyway.

Come July, you've got a group of players you would be looking at billionaire owners of clubs and thinking, Well, you bought the club for a low amount and you're going to sell it for a large amount and it would be a little bit of pain that you have to suffer.

So you should put your money in and then there may be a group of players who want to support their clubs.

Andi want to maybe do a little bit of weight reduction.

I think the first thing that I would say that players do want to contribute to the National Health Service to the lower leagues to the non playing stuff and ensure that money does go somewhere that is, that is helpful to the people that they want to support.

So I think that the Premier League, if you want to bring people on the journey with you to try and take a wage cut, you've got to learn that softly.

I think trying to bully them by announcing it on the mid afternoon on the Friday and then calling him into a meeting on the Saturday in front of their managers and owners is not probably the best way Thio longer blow as hard as that would have been to the players.

Jamie, one of your observations.

I think man is slightly different from from God.

I think a lot of players do a lot of goods.

Andi think a lot of them have their own charitable foundations and a lot of people held with things that we possibly don't hear about.

I'm not really can help the n hs or, you know, the foundation's help local sick kids or lots of different things.

It's not the job of Premier League players to form the any chess.

I know the situation we're in right now.

I'm not sure if the place we'll go together, Porter Flint together.

I'm not mourning to send to the any chest that that would help the any checks.

Right now, it might help the any chest in the future, but I'm sure at this moment everything that goingto get important in there to try and help me in the chest.

We never think it's an orphan.

The problem is they're not getting the equipment that you need fashion off.

I'm not sure the footballers can change that right now.

I think what's happened to blazes?

There's been talk of different footballers doing different things.

So we have a little Jordan Henderson, Maybe James Miller.

Matter of here.

Troy Deeney's name.

Kevin Deb Roy had a Maguire at Manchester and I said lots of different players getting mentioned about didn't say it in things.

Now that it seems to have come out to this payoff Amy and that the players, it upset that they would have to lose some of the money and the morning would go and in essence, back to the clubs.

I don't agree with that.

I think the money should in some ways go back there because you got to think how how the players get paid.

There's three ways players get paid.

It would be through the TV, the money from the TV, the money through the Italian style, not as much now as it was 2030 years old on probably advertising money.

All those revenue streams have stopped for football clubs.

Now the wages players again.

And now should I get a nearly 2 to £300,000 a week?

And this is not an ex professionally good, looked at, deserve everything.

We get both.

I don't believe that football clubs of football owners actually make hundreds of millions each season.

We see that in their accounts.

We see that basically all of them break even longer, loses money every year.

There's only Tottenham and little people actually attitude because they got the Champions League final, so I don't think it's It's too much to ask that players maybe do defense of wages to the later maybe turn.

I still actually contribute a little bit to the clubs.

Really, there's no way a print the Premier League, as one they're going to come together on everyone's going to agree on every club is difference in a different situation.

There's no way owners of the bottom of this division could afford.

I don't think certainly to just be handed out hundreds of thousands of pounds each week to sit in players, so I'm not saying it has to be 30% but think every club situation is different on May as a club have to get together.

Forget these conference calls and captains of each clubs that's never going away.

There has to be your own place of your own clubs off.

That's my crib.

If you like Jordan Henderson in the room speaking to plays and again, not everyone will agree.

But I don't feel it's right where, Maybe places saying Okay, we want our money to go to charity Listener.

That's fantastic if he wanted to go on to help people.

But there's a lot of groups witness even in the Premier League, and people may not believe it because of the money be Hey Bundy.

The bowels of TV D is who will find it difficult if this continues for a later time.

And, God forbid, if there is no games played this season and there's no TV money for these clubs, these clubs will be really, really struggling.

I'm sure even at the top, I just closed out to Jamie's point, Please.

I agree with Jamie in the sense that I think that it's reasonable that the players should to contribute to their clubs.

I'm talking about how you get to that point and how you deliver it to them, you know, releasing a statement publicly releasing it in a public statement on the Friday afternoon, saying, You know, will you all take a 12 month pay?

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30% is not the way to go about doing a deal.

So from my point to you, I agree with Jamie.

I think the clubs will need support.

I mean, every level clubs will need support.

I'm looking at it in two phases.

There is April, May and June, which I think the clubs will have had most of the revenues for this season accepting in the Premier League.

They're gonna have to finish the fixtures to get the broadcast.

Molly, I'll keep the broadcast money where I think it gets really bad quite quickly is that it goes into July, August, September October for clubs where that does become quite precarious on the finances of the football clubs will really suffer.

And I do think at that point it would be reasonable for the players to contribute to their own clubs, individual finances.

I'm talking here.

I don't think it was handled well publicly to be ableto to build.

If you like put back statement out on a Friday afternoon and call the players to a beating on the Saturday is, I think, the wrong way to go about trying to get those cuts from players.

Do you think there's also been a swell to a degree because of the profile off football mixing off emotions and messages here?

Because players taking wage cuts, which they would appear to be from a number of quarters a call for does not does not benefit the N hs.

The facts will wage cut it.

It's a less tax.

But in the grand scheme of things compared to what the government reported here, you know, hundreds of billions of pounds.

This is directly to do with the clubs on the way the clubs operate their business, the same as any other businesses in the world right now who are suffering serious financial difficulties.

This is not to do with so called players or I don't like to use the word gri gri pose not doing that or not helping the n.

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How this has been conflated is is a real Miss Noma is ridiculous.

Jeff, I think what you've got to understand that you do understand that is that football has got to be, will be judged.

We want it to be judged differently because the power that it has to influence people is enormous.

Those lads that go out onto the pitch, those football clubs, those badges are steeped in history.

They mean so much that the hope enjoy of every single fan of those clubs every single weekend around the world.

So the idea that we don't want football to be judged differently, we do want football to be judged differently.

There was opportunity here for football to do an amazing thing on men.

Carol, we're on television two or three weeks ago saying Way Know that talks will be put in place between the different parties, stakeholders, the F l, the premier Li, the P F A l m A.

The supporters should be involved as well.

Obviously on there was an opportunity to do something fantastic.

What we saw on Friday afternoon was a collaboration potentially of a couple of weeks, but then I thought the Premier League went solo.

They didn't increase the funding for the F l and only clubs the advanced money's forward, but didn't give them any extra funding which those clips so desperately need.

They didn't give a £20 million contribution to good cause, which is welcome, but I think it could have been more.

They asked players for 30% pay Cook, which equated to around £550 million.

I think it was opportunity for the Premier League to stand tall and do a number of things.

One was to distribute good cause quickly to the It's a good cause to was to provide more funding for clubs that needed in the F l and Non League and and to increase funding to go to the players.

Andi have meaningful discussions with the captains of the clubs around how they could work together to support not just the local cars but the national cause and also the club cause, which is critical because the clubs need to survive and they've not been able that no one has been able to bring together football.

There hasn't been a leader that's been able to bring together football in this time to come up with the right solution.

But don't forget Gary.

When you talk about the Premier League, the Premier League is the 20 clubs.

It's not a mythical body that operates, then tells the clubs want to do it is the 20 clubs themselves and Jeff, What we're seeing is the main structural for in English football, where I called for governor in for government intervention for many, many years to reset English football so that essentially we have the most amazing Premier League.

But Jeff, if you've got the bottom club in the Premier League again in £100 million of broadcast money on the top club in the F l Leeds United, so Norwich City get 100 million and the top loading the F l get three million.

You must see the disconnect on the disproportionate financial, um, reward that basically put through football.

It needs resetting has needed resetting for 10 or 15 years and maybe out of this crisis.

That can be a government intervention to create a better game whereby if a crisis like this comes along again, football looks after everybody rather just looking after the 20 clubs which are voting for their own positions.

Jamie, when way talk about as well, there was potential to do lots of good.

How much do you feel amongst the wider public.

There is a mistrust in football in this matter, which in itself is hugely damaging.

Well, I think football is wages.

Always be a symptom of a stick to beat footballers with it.

Waas In our day I mean the wages have gone even bigger now on us.

As I said there, Lee before sunset.

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Look to them.

This is people who earn lots of money and different areas.

Different sports, never mind different areas.

I mean the fact that someone's parents, the good will come out and sort of attack footballs.

And to be honest, I have a little bit of sympathy with them at first and that I think it was actually question and he gave it an sec, then followed up a few days later, which probably annoyed me more than anything because I thought it was possible that early on the first answer that he gave.

But he was asked the question.

He did answer.

But he said he followed it up on.

Do you actually think of some of the people throughout the contract?

We formed his own party.

You know what they did to actually help people really does this millions get insured about when there's there's an election on any time, so football's it always there?

I don't actually think him criminal matter cop in attacking football's actually hate football is that much.

I think it is probably a good thing for football's because so many people came out there and backed footballs and pointed the finger in different directions at something of the people within society and rightly so.

But it does feel now that is a focus.

We're talking about it tonight on what Premier League footballers are going to do, and I think Premier League footballers have got a great opportunity here on and what they can do now.

As I said before, I think they do have to help the club.

Yes, of course, that behaves in such a way financially, but this is a chance to do something good for the greater good off the country and plays being involved on whether you like it or not, Return wrote.

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