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  • thank you very much.

  • It's great to see so many of you at this inaugural event or first event of this year's biennial.

  • I'm particularly proud because as the second incarnation of this effort, we finally truly deserve to call ourselves a biennial.

  • From the beginning, I had the idea of creating an event, creating a an enthusiasm around new music, what's going on both in this country and around the world, and I thought the weight to do that was to get as much help as possible.

  • Really, it's quite ambitious what we're doing, and there's first of all, practically no way we could do it ourselves.

  • But I've really enjoyed the the call it by in that we found they've been we've been.

  • I think it's not too strong a word to say we've been inundated since the last time we did this with with requests to be part of it.

  • And it's been fantastic to feel the shared energy and the shared enthusiasm for something that, as you all know, I'm truly passionate about the area and the and the efforts in contemporary music.

  • And you know, while it's truly impressive, I believe what we're able to offer literally hundreds of pieces.

  • It's just it's it's, um it's necessarily an editorial sliver of what's happening, things that were excited about things that were enthusiastic about, and things that some of the people or all of the people that that you're going to hear from today.

  • These are only some of the participants in the biennial, but everybody is very excited about what they do and for what it's worth in these two weeks or so, you're going to be able to experience in one place that is to say, in New York, at various locations around the city.

  • A.

  • Really, I think fascinating.

  • Look at what's happening in the world of contemporary music today.

  • We have a lot to get through today, and in the spirit of leaving the heavy lifting for others, I'm going to shut up and invite Jennifer Co.

  • To join me on the stage.

  • Wonderful artist, Great violinist.

  • Passionate advocate for new visit.

  • Thanks, Jennifer.

  • Coming up you are, as everyone agrees, amazing virtuoso on the violin and could have done any number of things with your career.

  • Um, and in fact, you do many different things with your career.

  • But I've been I've been so dazzled by You're well, really putting your money where your mouth is and and standing up for fellow composers and you've taken it a step further.

  • In my opinion, with this this endeavor that you're going to be sharing with us and the biennial, it's about supporting the music and performing it, but also really exploring in a meaningful way.

  • What we hope is a truce energy between performers and composers.

  • Can you tell us?

  • Just assume we don't know anything because I basically don't know anything.

  • Tell us about tell us about what we're going to get to hear.

  • Well, um, I think shared madness.

  • It's It's first of all, it's about this incredible community of artists and composers that I'm a part of, and I feel really, incredibly grateful that I'm a part of of this community.

  • The way the project came kind of came about was that I had struggled for 8.5 years to raise money for an instrument to be able to play on, and I was actually carrying half the debt with a lot of interest.

  • 12% um, there was carrying every month, so it was really killing me.

  • Um, and any bankers in the audience and banks don't recognize instrument.

  • American banks don't recognise instruments is investment, so you can't loan against it.

  • But that's okay.

  • Um, yeah.

  • Um, but in a case, um, so I was very lucky there was, Ah, gentleman and his wife came to a concert of mine.

  • Um, and we're actually in the CD signing line after the concert, and he came up to me and while I was signing the CD, said, You know, I love the fact that you do these commissions.

  • I just done Bach and beyond there.

  • Um, and he was like, I'm really kind of interested in doing these commissions.

  • And I was like, Give me your card.

  • I gave you a call because I was raising money for Bridge to Beethoven, which were new works by Vijay I, WR and Andrew Norman and Anthony Chung.

  • And, um and I only spoke to him about that.

  • And finally, I think it was just the stress.

  • After eight years, um, I finally broke down, like, six months later, and I gave him a call, and I was like, Look, this is the situation.

  • Um, I'm in, you know, I have no idea whether you can help me at all in this situation.

  • But this is This is what I've been living with for for a number of years.

  • Um and he said, Let me think about it.

  • Talk to my wife.

  • And he called me back in less than 24 hours and said Here it is, um and it was in the form of a loan.

  • And it's alone that I immediately knew I would never be able to pay back in my lifetime.

  • And, um and I was, you know, I a lot of my very close composer friends like, for example, Taya, Saariaho and and Esa Pekka Salomon and Nancy cartoon in a cellist.

  • They they Very few people knew that I was going through this process during the time at that time.

  • And but she may actually help me find the fiddle in Helsinki because, um, I was at a loss.

  • I gone through everywhere in America, in the UK, in any case, Long story short.

  • Um, when this happened, um, because he was so interested in commissioning, um, I do a partner, a pianist.

  • Shy was no.

  • Was like, Well, isn't he interested in commissions.

  • Like, why don't you propose something around the violin?

  • And then and then I actually call Kaya, and she was like, This is this is perfect Because we all have seen you struggling and suffering for her to such a long time.

  • And we all felt very helpless because we couldn't help you.

  • Um uh, and she was like, This is great.

  • You should just go to all of your friends.

  • And so I actually made the initial calls to to the composers, and I started every conversation with please feel free to say no immediately.

  • Also because I think no artist should work without fee.

  • And I explained my you know, the situation and what I've been going through for and 1/2 years.

  • And, um and the reason we've ended up with two nights of world premieres is because and I was so moved, and I'm so grateful because almost everyone said yes, which I totally didn't think would happen.

  • Actually, um and I almost broke down in every conversation because I couldn't I couldn't believe that that that they would be so generous of not only their time, but their talent.

  • Um, and and their generosity towards me.

  • Um, well, I mean, it's a beautiful story, but I have to say it's a two way street, and I know that for the composers that you champion, they're inspired by what you give and it's it's not.

  • It's not so common, for I think, a lot of composers to find a performer who can also be a kind of muse and with whom it's possible to build profound relationship.

  • We have often relatively little contact with the composers of the pieces we play, even if we love their music.

  • And I really tried to do our best buy them.

  • But you, as I said, I've taken it a step further.

  • Are there any any details or particular pieces or experiences you've had working up these these programs that you can share with us?

  • Yeah, well, I mean, so the interesting thing.

  • Initially, I thought because I've been doing bank and beyond.

  • You and I spoke to a couple of my composer friends and said, What about around the idea of Bach?

  • And they were like, It's way too heavy, especially he if you're asking for shorter pieces, Um and so we decided Thio and I wanted to do something that was interesting for the composers to, um, So it was kind of built around this idea of virtuosity and what that is for the violin in the 21st century.

  • And, of course, pocket me any kind of defined what that waas in the 18 hundreds.

  • But it's, you know, 100 over 150 years later on, and that still seems to be the definition.

  • And what's been really interesting is how each of the composers have responded in a very unique ways.

  • Um, for some, for some people, it was really about.

  • They were like, Well, everybody in conservatory can play Paganini now.

  • So So what's interesting is, um, phrasing.

  • And for other people, it's about extended technique for other people.

  • It's about rhythmic intention.

  • Um, and you know, So So that's been a very kind of fascinating, um, Ray, because it's it's really very unique and individual voices responding to this kind of concept and the reason it went around this, The reason I chose the name eventually shared madness was because everything was about finding a shared creative space with the composer.

  • But it was also about sharing this music with community and thinking about how we as artists, serve her community, Um, and also having a shared experience with their audience.

  • Well, I'm a violinist myself in In a way, I'm a call it a traditionalist.

  • As faras, the violin goes, I love the sound of the violin and the just the beautiful lines and notes and and things that Mozart was doing already in Beta seven.

  • But this idea of extended techniques, if I may ask a technical question as it were, um, it's it's very exciting.

  • I think that a lot of composers, and maybe you can give an example or two are doing things with instruments, not just the violin that maybe we're never thought of.

  • Like you could take a trumpet and hit it on the floor and make it.

  • No, no, no, no, I understand.

  • But actually, my question is actually very Inouye.

  • Let me let me come at it from a skeptical point of view.

  • What kind of extended do you all understand?

  • What is meant by extended techniques?

  • It's it's doing things like hitting the side of the violin with your bow or maybe scratching the strings.

  • You know, the lateral way rather than just things that I mean, you know.

  • But what my question is is are there extended techniques that really could only be done on the violin?

  • That our call it violinist IQ in quality.

  • I mean, actually, one composer did ask if I could, like, hit the fiddle Lord knock against it.

  • And I was like, Yeah, but, um, so they're multiple things.

  • I'm thinking of several composers.

  • Um kite, I think if people know Kaya Sorry, a host music, Of course, there's a lot of different kind of coloration with kind of Monticello.

  • Um, quite a few composers have worked a great deal with different kinds of cell toss toe different degrees of Let me teach you These are these are these air terms that that concerned where the bow connects with the strings of Monticello, is playing very close to the bridge, which is the wooden piece that is the is the end point of the string and soul tossed.

  • Oh is playing with the bow very far over the finger where the other direction that creates a kind of wispy area kind of sentence, and then one composers is having me play over the bridge on the other side.

  • Um and then, yes.

  • So there are quite a few different things.

  • Also, things like micro tones.

  • Um, and I'm an expert at micro tones.

  • Huh?

  • I'm an expert at microchip when I'm not No, no.

  • Unfortunately, that's something else that's playing it.

  • Playing out of two, but yes.

  • Oh, those were the different kinds of exploration.

  • So So some people felt that that was an important part of what virtuosity is.

  • It's about extending the expressivity of the instrument and its potential now on dhe.

  • Then other people kind of explored this idea that, um, you know, in the 18 hundreds, people had a different tactile relationship to instruments.

  • So seeing somebody do a bunch of fingered octaves was really, you know, impressive.

  • Whereas that kind of relationship with with instruments is very different with your audience now.

  • So, um, just conceptually some people found it interesting.

  • I think our composers, they found it interesting.

  • I'm so excited about what?

  • What you're going to do and hearing these two concerts.

  • I think we might come back to you.

  • But why don't we wait and we move on to the next?

  • Thank you very, very much.

  • Great.

  • to hear you talk.

  • Yeah, I feel I feel utterly brutal, cutting off what could be obviously an hour long conversation by itself.

  • But we have a number of other people here we have.

  • Let's just bring the New Haven contingent up to the stage here we have as Martin Resnick on Aaron, Jay Kern, ISS, Hillary Pearlington and Chris Thea affinities.

  • This is this is murderer's row of composers here to my right.

  • Welcome, all of you.

  • Now, how are we gonna divide this up?

  • Um, I guess yet, um, why don't I start with you?

  • Martin?

  • Um, your wife is here.

  • She told me to cut you off brutally if it if it iveness, um Ah.

  • Tell me a little bit about the Yale composition program just so we can have an overview.

  • Is there an overriding philosophy?

  • Is it?

  • Ah, Is it a mishmash of different approaches?

  • Just just bring us into the into the world of Yale has historically, just to remind folks our most famous graduate who will be represented on our concert is Charles Ives, who was a student at Yale in the late 19th century.

  • Ah, and in some ways, I've openhearted open minded devotion to music in all its possible forms is part of the of the foundational aspects of yell.

  • But you know, yells under over the last 100 or more years.

  • Yells undergone a number of changes from Horatio Parker, too, Paul Hindemith and, of course, my colleague Jacob Druckman, so very influential in the seventies and eighties.

  • Ah, and I think that if we can say anything about the program, it's that, um, our diversity.

  • Our widespread interest in new music in every possible form characterizes us so that that one could not say, I think I think my colleagues will agree that there's not really a Yale sound or Yale way of doing things.

  • I mean, actually just struck me looking at Jennifer's program, that of the how many Jennifer, How many composers on your program?

  • More than 30 I would say At least 10 of them are Yale educated composers, and the variety that Jennifer will represent, I think, will be testament to the the wisdom of that that we we have explored avenues without ideological preconceptions.

  • I personally all over the idea of engaging in education.

  • In fact, I see no no distinction or no barrier between what we do, for example, at the Philharmonic and what is being done at Yale or a Juilliard or any other institution of higher learning.

  • And that's that's one of the reasons we're very, very consciously.

  • We've wanted to co opt your your participation.

  • Um, because in a way, everything we do is education, and it makes a lot of sense.

  • Thio, bring in what's going on at a great, great school.

  • Um, Aaron, it's Ah, it's nice to see you.

  • Sorry.

  • I saw it.

  • E thought your eyes were closed.

  • I thought, Have I already failed in my hosting duties?

  • Um anyway, welcome.

  • Um I mean, you're obviously ah, marvellous composer of great distinction, but but you're Can you well, tell us a little bit About what?

  • What you've written for for the for the biennial.

  • Well, I actually am involved in two concerts in the band in in the Yale Evening, which features work by all of the faculty at Yale and are very talented and special composer Hillary Carrington, whose a student at Yale.

  • So I have a small piano piece on the Yale concert.

  • I think each of us has a small chamber, works or or ah, works that Air Premiers have a small piano piece that I actually wrote for the dean of the music school, Robert Blocker, and he'll be given the world premiere of this at at this concert.

  • Um, the piece has been been waiting for a premiere for about a year and 1/2 and I know he's been in his studio working diligently whenever he has a moment.

  • Um, he's a very, very devoted performer, as well as being incredible.

  • Dean incredibly devoted to school.

  • The large work I have in the Biennial is on the concert with the San Francisco girl's chorus in the Brooklyn Youth Chorus and with the Knights Chamber Orchestra and and my pieces for the San Francisco girl's chorus.

  • Um, and it's a work that came about because after the, um after the whole Siri's off massacres, particularly the massacre in Paris, in San Bernadino and later in Brussels, that, um in part because my wife and I have relatives in Brussels, in part just the shared necessity of responding musically with, uh to what had gone on that I've commissioned a young poet who was a former Yaeli is out living on a farm on the West Coast, and he wrote a very beautiful and very poetic touching and also tough text that that deals with some of these issues of grief and loss and the un un explicable, un explicable things that are surrounding us today.

  • I think it was especially poignant that the that this piece was being written for young girls, and I really wanted to to kind of bring it too, in a way, bring the the world today kind of having them face it in a way through this piece and face their their innocence, um, in in the place that they are age wise and, um, and what the world is is what they're facing in the current world.

  • So it's a It's an important piece for me.

  • I'm really looking forward to to working with the girl's chorus and the nights and um and I I hope it will be, uh, I'm moving it.

  • Then, as part of the biannual, I think it's It's interesting four performers, but particularly for composers, the idea of inspiration behind works and and when a real world event happens that provokes or inspires or demands the composition of a new work.

  • Do you find that?

  • Actually, you become a different kind of composer?

  • Is it possible to for someone not to know anything about?

  • I mean, if there's text, I guess it would be hard to ignore what what's being said.

  • But on a musical level, does something change in your DNA as you're writing something and you are you channeling something that's different?

  • I'm just asking a kind of sort of vague, perhaps unfair question about inspiration and where the line is drawn between Call it pure music or or it's a terrible term.

  • But political music?

  • Well, I think it was very clear that when this when these events happened and I realized that that this piece needed to be related in some way, that it absolutely came came out of utter necessity.

  • It was as if I changed in that in that day, and the the connections with the young girls with this festival became just a utter driven need to to make this piece happen and to call the poet and and talk about the tone and the poetry and the way this would be elicited, and it really became almost like a kind of I don't want to say blind because it wasn't blind, but it was a very driven and very forceful experience composing wise, Um, but even if you didn't know, I think there's a There's an element off grief, enough of off of poignancy in the piece that is definitely going to be very apparent and also violence.

  • Hillary, I confess, I'm not familiar with your music, but I'm excited, excited to hear it.

  • You're an accomplished composer already, but you're also currently pursuing a master's you're studying at.

  • Yes, I'm in the master of musical arts program at Yale.

  • It's again forgive me for throwing out perhaps unfair questions, but I'm actually curious.

  • How do you How do you teach composition?

  • I mean, how did you learn?

  • Composition are what?

  • What happens?

  • Do you write things that are looked at by your teacher?

  • Do you should do how much the interaction do you have with others?

  • What is the experience of, ah, composing student at Yale?

  • Well, um, we all studied privately with a teacher, and we meet with that teacher, usually on a weekly basis.

  • This year, I was studying with Aaron, um, and we compose throughout the week and we bring whatever we're working on to show our teacher and or, you know, if we haven't done anything that week, we might discuss something else that never happens, huh?

  • Never.

  • Never.

  • Um, but every teacher is different.

  • Every teacher has different expectations, different things to comment on.

  • And one thing that I have to learn as a student is what my teacher reacts to, um, how I can, you know, get the best commentary and advice from my teacher, and I kind of have to adjust accordingly.

  • How would you describe your music?

  • My music?

  • Um well, im young and it's it's always changing.

  • But right now I think a lot about clarity, about communicating, communicating something as clearly as possible not just to the performer, but to a listener as well.

  • When I was at the pre college at Juilliard, I studied composition, and let's just say there's a reason why I haven't pursued it.

  • But but one thing might my, my teacher said, is that you simply have to write enough music that you get all the other kind of superficial influences out of your system and you find your own voice.

  • Um, and he said, it's not even a question of doing this kind of style or that kind of stuff.

  • You just have to write enough to get to whatever you're inner.

  • Essence is, I guess, um, does that ring true to you?

  • I mean, that kind of as a concept, Aiken understand it.

  • I never did that.

  • I didn't get that far.

  • And all of you who have, you know, gone very, very far in the art of composition is that is that it's sheer volume of, ah notes dispute onto the pages.

  • That is that part of the learning process.

  • Um, maybe for some, I think it is important to write a lot of music, especially, and especially here, all that music.

  • I think that's one of the most important parts.

  • Just knowing what it sounds like.

  • And you know what?

  • You didn't write what you could do better next time.

  • That is very important.

  • Um, I do think our voices are, you know, largely it's made up.

  • Our voices are made up of all of our influences.

  • All the all the music that we've heard and learned and digested over the years.

  • I think that, you know, becomes a huge part of our voice.

  • How close is the relationship of the composer's to the performers at Yale?

  • Um, we can, Yes, we can jump around or any one of you can jump in.

  • This is This is actually all these questions I'm sure could be handedly answered by interests.

  • Chris Christie affinities, runs our new.

  • He runs the SYRIZA this past year with Faneuil Ash.

  • They've run the new music New Haven, Siri's of which what you're about to hear from us is a representative concert.

  • So Chris can give you a picture of that.

  • I should say, First of all, that the program is all graduate students, so that's something that's different from a lot of universities.

  • All the performers, All the composers are graduate level students, and so they've already come to the, you know, to the table in a way with a certain skill set, which makes it really great, and so and they're very self motivated to connect with their fellow students.

  • So what you see a lot is that the performers air seeking out the composers on the site, even though we have this official structure that we coordinate all of our concerts for and we sign players to play their music.

  • A lot of the things happen outside I just out of individual interests.

  • And the players are coached by one of us as well as kind of having four sets of rehearsals that they do.

  • Um, it's the performances air at extremely high level there, a times we have bring in.

  • There are colleagues, people like people who are known, I'm sure to you, David Shifrin, Boris Berman superstars kind of in the performing world to kind of listen in China.

  • Man, though, often weigh in and help at some level.

  • So it's it's a pretty interactive that way, and I think that the students are also excited to receive feedback.

  • It's not just a one way direction.

  • They're actually influencing the music that's being written to, which is a big part of it.

  • And the way that the composer's air, then kind of taking for that and making it part of a personalized experience is something that stays with them for their life.

  • That's so great to hear, because I think it's perhaps more important than ever for performers, too.

  • Commit to the perpetuation of the art of composition.

  • It's really the most noble thing that happens in music, what you guys were doing, and and it's what keeps it fresh.

  • It's what keeps it keeps it vital and relevant.

  • So it's great to hear that.

  • That's that's working.

  • That's something that I think about.

  • And when I teach a Juilliard, I am sometimes wish we were doing even more.

  • There's a lot of contact, and there's some marvelous new music program, but it's ah feels like it's never quite enough.

  • Well, I was going to say that unlike some institutions that have a new music ensemble that is directed to perform all the new music, we have always considered the entire Yale School of Music instrumental cohort as our as our ensemble.

  • So our sins, right for everybody in the school.

  • And for that reason, uh, Yale has produced a Siri's over the years of composer performer collectives.

  • Bang on a Can is one.

  • The New Amsterdam Records is another.

  • The sleeping giant people and many other groups are collectives of performers and composers.

  • Let me add one other thing about the program that people might not know or is not so clear, um, in contradistinction to certain programs which which I will not name.

  • Uh, we do not have exclusive studios.

  • That is, a composer like Hillary admitted to our program is not obliged, say, to study with Aaron the whole time she's there.

  • And in fact, most of our students move from studio to studio each semester.

  • So by the time a student has finished their degree program at Yale, they've studied with David Lang or Cristian Benitez or handle ash.

  • You couldn't be here tonight Oh, Aaron or myself, and there is no jealousy about that.

  • We consider that an important part of how we work.

  • Also, we meet once a week in a seminar situation where all the faculty gathers with the students to review the works that have been performed in our new music, New Haven, Siri's and we listen to them again and we critique them in a kind of round table discussion of what we what we think of them.

  • And by doing that, we not only learn toe to compose better, but we also, in a way, we learned how to talk to each other in a productive and supportive way about how to become better composer.

  • How did composes how to become stronger composers and, um, in a way, where perhaps world 100.

  • How many years later?

  • We're compensating for the little fights that Charles Ives usedto have with Horatio Parker in his classroom so many years ago.

  • We don't have those anymore like that.

  • We have No, no.

  • Horatio Parker's.

  • And we have a new Charles Ives right over there right now.

  • We should think about moving on, but I just want very quickly.

  • If Chris, Sir Martin, if you have any any, uh, thing you want to say about your works, that air on the biennial program.

  • Yeah, you start.

  • You know that?

  • The strange thing I was gonna have a solo piano piece.

  • Also from that I did for the Van Cliburn competition a couple of years ago.

  • But it turned out to be one too many solo piano pieces.

  • So I have a piece from 1994 which was written at the tail end of my doctor at Yale.

  • And it's for two flutes, and it was written for Ah, Japanese food is named Cao Hinata.

  • And so I called the peace Colorado, and it has to do with very head or phonic writing between the two flutes.

  • They kind of.

  • This was something that Martin told me when I was a student.

  • He said, OK, you're interested in hitter.

  • Often he go out to the green in New Haven and look at the way the birds are moving.

  • Followed the kind of the group movement, and I did.

  • And of course, it's amazing to see schools of animals move because they move with one mind and they kind of expand and contract in the most interesting ways.

  • And that became the basis for the peace.

  • And this is the piece that will be done, a CZ part of the plan.

  • All right.

  • Maybe you should Oh, um, well, I found a text from the Salem Witch trials.

  • It's actually a petition written by a condemned, which and I kind of adapted it a little bit.

  • So the language is a little more modern now, but, um, it's for mezzo soprano, viola and piano, and I'm also a singer.

  • So at the time, I am the choir.

  • I mean, we were singing a lot of handle on box, so I had those sounds in my head, and I think that really came out a lot in the piece.

  • Well, my work is called and I always thought, and it is actually based on a Texas point of departure from a poem.

  • A Great Poem by Berthold Brecht.

  • Very short poem called and I Always Thought It Begins.

  • And I always thought that the simplest words must be enough.

  • And it's a piece for what is basically the bar talk contrast trio for violin.

  • In this case, we performed by Ani Kavafian.

  • Fantastic violinist David Shifrin will be the clarinetist and Lisa Moore will be the pianist, and it's going to be an American premiere of work that was commissioned by an Australian trio.

  • I hope that some of you will be able to come to the green space to hear this concert, which I do think represents very, very well the breath and strength of the program at the school of music.

  • Well, fascinating.

  • Can't wait.

  • Thank you all very, very much.

  • Thank you.

  • A CZ.

  • You see, we could have fruitfully gone on with this conversation as well.

  • I'd like to ask Jay Campbell to join me on the stage.

  • Welcome.

  • J.

  • J is an incredible cellist and, ah, very articulate and passionate advocate for well, not just new music.

  • A lot, A lot, A lot of things.

  • Some.

  • He is the mastermind behind our league.

  • A ti umm project.

  • Tell us a little bit about what?

  • You're gonna play the Liga de Cello Concerto.

  • One of the most fiendishly difficult pieces for cello.

  • Um, but you're also the kind of idea guy behind the really telling combinations.

  • I think that we're going to be hearing just bring us, bring us up to speed on this whole deal.

  • Well, um, Ligety is, uh I would say he's kind of a slippery fish in a lot of ways.

  • Basically, every piece is completely different than the previous one.

  • Um, so it it makes it hard to create a cohesive program.

  • And when I was programming, that actually found that to be a, um, kind of a nice, double edged sword, Um, in that my own take on programming and my favorite concerts that I go to is that there is a There is a good amount of space of ambiguity in there that lets the audience is imagination be engaged.

  • So it's not really a prescriptive prescriptive, um, experience.

  • Um, So what I'm what I mean by that is that all the all the composer's represented who come after Ligety have a self professed, Um, you know, they're very influenced by lickety, and I was approaching it with a simple question of how are they influenced?

  • Um, and each one approaches that in a very different and unique way.

  • So that was That was my reason why I wanted to do this beyond just programming a concert of really great music, which is ultimately the should be the fundamental endeavor.

  • It's some.

  • It's exciting for me because Lyga t in someone so many ways is as modern today has when he wrote, wrote his music, which is not actually that long ago, but to think about relatively, I mean essentially a contemporary composer, although he's no longer life.

  • I've worked with a lot of people who worked directly with him, and, uh, and we're able to coach not just his music but other other pieces with him.

  • Um, but despite his relative newness, he in a way has already become this kind of iconic figure that has influenced, as you said, a new generation.

  • But but a lot of people think of Liggett is already kind of his cutting edge is against.

  • So it's fun to kind of go yet yet farther with this idea.

  • Yeah, it's it's really interesting also to see how, um, how different every single composer that he influenced.

  • They're so different in what I found in programming.

  • This is that, um, it's actually almost more revealing about Ligeti's music than it is about the younger composers.

  • The way that thes pieces interact, it casts a lot of light on on Ligeti's music and the various facets that are contained within it.

  • It's interesting your your, uh, similarly of the of the slippery fish, I think is interesting because, as a you know, if you think like Stravinsky's image of the fish and the bull swimming around, it's always the same fish, but always a different fish.

  • That's what I find with Ligeti's music, because no matter how many times you hear it, it kind of redefines itself, and its can be incredibly complex.

  • Putin ultimately feels sometimes simple and even simplistic.

  • It's its ever changing, even with in one piece.

  • Well, it's no surprise that M.

  • C.

  • Escher was a huge influence on him.

  • There is that idea of circularity that you find everywhere in his music.

  • The Lucerne Academy is going to be performing these works.

  • Um, I'm actually going to be there this summer.

  • I haven't ever spent time.

  • I've been to Lucerne many times, but never worked with the academy.

  • How has that that group, um, taken to the project, or how much did they influence?

  • Influence?

  • Your Ah, your ambitions for this.

  • Ah, legally forward idea.

  • Well, it's a It's a really unique place in that.

  • Everyone, everyone there is generally about college stage, sometimes well, younger, sometimes a little older.

  • But everyone is there to work on kind of the master works of the 20th century.

  • And that was that was how it was started.

  • It was started by Pierre Boulez, Um, who I think in a way, he wanted to impart the knowledge that he had received from people like lickety Stravinsky.

  • And it was amazing to be in a place full of young people that are so passionate about contemporary music.

  • And I mean just classical music in general.

  • But these people are really kind of savage defenders of contemporary music, and these I don't know it.

  • It gives me a lot of hope for where classical music is going and where it will be a very optimistic about it.

  • Having spent some time there, Um and it was very definitive for me.

  • Uh, the time I I spent there, I was 19 and I was I was I guess I was going through kind of a rough patch of how I felt about playing the cello and sort of what the relevance of what we're doing is to the world around us.

  • And, um, they mean they gave me a big responsibility of doing, um, Boulez's massages keys that year.

  • And I think I was, like, 19 and I had to play it for him and I was petrified.

  • I was pretty much ready to jump on the next flight back to the U.

  • S.

  • Um, and just having that experience of how nice and encouraging someone like that was like he was such a legend in my mind that he would take the time to work with me.

  • It was very encouraging.

  • Thio keep on working that I wasn't totally deluded, being so obsessed with contemporary music, that there there are a lot of people who are very passionate and supportive, um, of young people doing it.

  • So it was.

  • It has a very special place for me.

  • It's nice that you mentioned that piece because we're actually playing it on one of the many concerts with the New York Philharmonic, and it's such an amazing piece and a really important one, too, and is kind of in his larger output.

  • So many pieces come out of that piece, which are more famous than moustaches case for some reason, like rape, all pieces like that, Um Well, yeah, that's great.

  • I look forward to lead a tea, Although I'm studying the scores like crazy these days.

  • It's, ah, a lot of work, but also to to spending time in the lieutenant, because that's what it really is, an idealistic kind of unique place.

  • You know, the program I'm doing is super cutting edge, and and, uh, you know, we're gonna spend over a week working on it with with conducting students as well as the orchestra.

  • So it's great great to hear about that.

  • Anything else you want to add that you feel we absolutely have to know before we leave this, uh, conversation, you have to come.

  • That's That's what I like to hear Yeah, absolutely.

  • Thanks so much today.

  • And now we have Lisa Bulava, Colin Jacobsen and Diane Birkin.

  • Welcome.

  • It's there.

  • So, Lisa, meeting now for the first time.

  • But I'm already really dazzled and excited by your enthusiasm, and I can't wait to hear you speak.

  • Diane, I've worked with many times in her capacity as the director of the Brooklyn Youth Chorus in Colin and I go way back to school days.

  • Um, this kind of the connecting thread here is youth choruses and commitment of of youth youth courses to contemporary music.

  • Um, as we've already heard a little bit, it's ah, it's actually unusual, I think, too, to use the connection with young musicians, many of whom I think may not become professional musicians and who may enter a chorus for a completely different reason.

  • I'm just speculating to sing, you know, beautiful, uh, old polyphony year or whatever whatever people might think, but then really become hooked because of the commitment to music.

  • And I'd love to hear you guys who were right in the thick of it.

  • Tell us a little bit about that.

  • Lisa, do you wanna just take the ball and run with it?

  • Yeah.

  • Uh, you know, it's it's been incredible.

  • I as artistic director, that Sam schoolgirls Course I'm actually might.

  • My role is curatorial, so I'm not the music director.

  • I live here in New York.

  • Ah, but it means when I go visit the rehearsal process, I get to hear them working on Aaron Curtis's piece, for example, or on my own peace.

  • And ah, what I've learned about about about kids and new music is that, Ah, once they get the feeling the rush of, of, of conquering a new score and the experience of giving the world premiere of a piece, it's all over.

  • I mean, they just they they that, you know the bug has bitten them, and they really they really want more of that.

  • It's a kind of an energy that the feeling of ownership they have, um, creating a new work, interacting with composers.

  • It's just something that, um that once they discover it, they just won't let it go.

  • I'm hoping to see see a lot of young people at the at the events, and there are so many dimensions.

  • I mean, it's not Ah, as J.

  • Said, the idea is to choose great pieces.

  • But I also really do hope that the young musicians who take part in the biennial have that bug that you you just mentioned, even strengthened so that they become the next generation of passionate advocates for what we do.

  • Diane, How much?

  • How much new music are you doing with the Brooklyn chorus?

  • The our top ensemble is wasn't intentionally, but it's almost all new music as a as of late, and we started kind of ramping up from 2007.

  • By 2011 we were doing full length programs of all original music, and that really changed the nature of our group.

  • I think that you know my my approach.

  • My desire of doing this work was really driven by the sound of that trouble voice that really special and unique sound more than kind of being a traditional choral music fan.

  • And so it was really about finding new ways to use their voice as an instrument to explore the full range of sounds.

  • The way that they're locally trained is to keep them intentionally flexible so that they can kind of respond to any challenge.

  • But I think that, um, part of what the issue for me had been that the music they sing house to feel relevant and interesting to them to really connect to it and the difference.

  • You know, when singers air singing something where the text or the music itself is just the right fit is such a completely different experience than when they're singing something that's kind of like Oh, yeah, we do this piece And then I go back to my music that I enjoyed that I really listen to.

  • So what the contemporary music has done is it's allowed us to really work collaboratively with composers to amplify what our talents are, what where I smart are, sound is, and the students have incredible ownership of the music, and they learned it inside out.

  • And in a way, you're also you're free of.

  • You're not saying, Well, this is the way it has to because 20 courses before us have performed it this way, and here's all their performances.

  • You really have a sense of we're making this piece.

  • Maybe they didn't compose the music, but they're helping to define what that music is.

  • So the end of the day it's it's theirs through and through And, um, you know, we do some other music, but for the most part, by the time we get through all the things that we've commissioned in the projects that were engaged in around new music, there's just not a lot of time for other things.

  • But I could also just say that, you know.

  • Brooklyn, of course, has nine levels in our program and the concert on Samba, which sometimes think of contemporary ensemble.

  • The rest of our program is, is more traditional.

  • The group that you just worked with was our junior ensemble who did the midsummer, uh, nights dreaming.

  • They are here.

  • I must say they were.

  • They were incredible.

  • They were so impeccably prepared and sang so beautifully.

  • Mendelssohn's Midsummer Night's dream we did complete.

  • I've done muller through it many, many different things, and they're always a joy to work with us.

  • That's what you're sorry I interrupted your like.

  • Their program has been more traditional in terms of the repertoire, as they kind of grow into it.

  • So by the time they get to the concert ensemble, they have kind of the skills when they have a taste of it.

  • So now the junior group starting to do pieces that have been commissioned for the concert ensemble.

  • But, you know, the younger they get, the more kind of they're honing their skills on the tradition, the traditional music, and then it kind of explodes at the top are theirs.

  • Kids who go through your programs.

  • Either either of you who go on to become professional singers Is that a hope of yours?

  • Or is that is that I'm actually an example of that because I was in the San Francisco Girls course when I was a girl, and I am a professional composer and professional singer now.

  • But, you know, we find, um, one of the things that I find really exciting about about the programs, and we also have multiple levels.

  • Thes is that there is a way in which we're training girls in our case, girls to enter into musical life.

  • But the decision, whether or not to go on to the professional level touring ensemble, is one that not necessarily every girl who goes to write trading program may may decide to do you know, because at the top level they're touring.

  • They're recording.

  • They're doing a lot of contemporary music there.

  • They're working with composers.

  • It's a big commitment.

  • But the we also are celebrating the fact that we are that we offer a comprehensive training program for girls that can make them into new audiences or just also, you know, make them into people who who understand how to make things in a community, to to strive for excellence in a community and whatever whatever field they choose to go into.

  • I mean, I can't say it often enough.

  • There really is no line between contemporary music and other music.

  • It's all certainly on a continuum, and it's all essentially music.

  • So that's great to be be instilling that kind of that that value, um, system with young musicians who will make a difference, whether they're on stage or in the audience.

  • Colin, I've known you and a number of capacities, and you've really created a kind of a phenomenon in New York with the Brooklyn Rider and the nights.

  • But now you're also represented as a composer.

  • Um, it's very cool.

  • Thank you.

  • Uh, yeah, it's a lot of different hats that I enjoy wearing and feel lucky to live a life that that happens as many people here do as yourself.

  • Um but I think you know, this is an incredibly exciting thing to be a part of and think you and everyone in the film for thinking of it.

  • And, um, this project, I mean, the biennial, it's incredible.

  • It is creating a community, as everyone has talked about.

  • And I think when we were asked to do this, we tried to think with the Knights of the most festive thing possible that we could imagine at the top of our heads at that moment which happened to be that Lisa Bulava here who we go way back, um, number of projects with the Knights and Brooklyn Rider.

  • Through the years, we had talked about doing something with the San Francisco girl's chorus, all new music, and that sounded like an incredible festive thing.

  • Um, but we also we live in Brooklyn, our bases there.

  • And of course, we've been aware of what Brooklyn youth course has done for years, many mutual friends and following the mantra that I believe you have said for this festival, more is more.

  • We decided, let's do this all together, and, um and I think part of that is that part of the thing that stuck in our head was when you think about new music, you know people have all sorts of reactions to it, and, um, you know, and what it means to people is very different.

  • But I think innocence isn't one that often comes up as the first thought in people's heads.

  • Thus, youth chorus is being an interesting way to think about that, though I will say that both the San Francisco girls courts in Brooklyn youth cores are probably some of the most worldly kids you will meet.

  • But yet they're still teenagers.

  • So I think we were really excited about that juxtaposition.

  • And I think that all the composers on the program that we're doing in their own work have a certain mixture of earnestness and worldliness.

  • It you already heard from Aaron and Lisa's piece that brings both groups together and my pieces for our neighbors Brooklyn Youth Chorus and also juxtaposed with that with one non coral pieces by Nico Muhly.

  • And that is a piece that's very indebted to Benjamin Britton.

  • It's It's for a male voice tenor Nicholas Pon and a solo violin roll.

  • Like the Britons Serenade has the solo horn.

  • So we thought that would be the nice other sound world from the incredible Trouble chorus with the nights that we were thinking about just to clarify, to make sure everybody knows where we are.

  • Brooklyn Rider is the string quartet.

  • The string quartet that Colin is is a member of, and the night says, kind of a flexible sized orchestra.

  • Um, how long have the knights have you guys been playing as the knights This well, roughly 10 years in the current form, full with winds, etcetera.

  • But if you go back a few more years, it was a string orchestra in its early days and has, uh, well, obviously, I mean, it's not even a question about how has it evolved over the years?

  • Well, first of all, we've gotten older.

  • I have more gray hair because basically did all grow up together.

  • Many of us were either at Juilliard or recently out of Juilliard when we started.

  • And, um, you know, I think there was a sense of wanting to, uh, with a group of friends, discover new music and old music on our own terms.

  • At that moment and out of some particular experiences we shared, including going away on retreats often and living all in the music and cooking, eating together whatever we develop.

  • Some bonds that I think have allowed the group toe last to this day and, um, create the particular environment.

  • That is the nights.

  • Yeah, no, it's totally right up my alley.

  • That's awesome.

  • What you guys are doing as far as your composition is concerned, forgive me.

  • I haven't heard one note of it.

  • What the hell the described you.

  • I studied composition at the Juilliard Pre College division and loved it Lemon, like Syria taking it to this level.

  • And then in college, I was very focused on the file in and the craft of that with a dose of some other stuff.

  • But I think out of school when I founded my own groups with my friends in Brooklyn Rider and the Nights, and a big part of this was also playing in Yo Ma's Silk Road Ensemble.

  • I felt like there was a lot of stuff in my head that I needed to do something with and inspired by the example of peace people likely Sabia Lava, who are performer composers, started writing stuff form for the group's than that I'm in and that developed And, um, you know, after for a long time, I feel like I couldn't use the word composer.

  • But I think, as you were talking about, if you've written a certain number of notes that you feel okay with you're allowed to start using that word.

  • I still feel that way about conductor.

  • Um, Now, this is this is so exciting.

  • And really, for me, one of the one of the truly exciting and important dimensions that the biennial is has started to occupy.

  • And I thank you all for being here tonight and for what you're going to be doing over the next few weeks.

  • Thank you.

  • Thank you very much.

  • Thank you.

  • John Corigliano needs no introduction, so I won't give him one.

  • Uh, no.

  • No, John, please come to the stage.

  • Come on down.

  • So, um, among, I guess, a number of things.

  • One thing that john and I share is a kind of New York Philharmonic lineage.

  • John's father was wonderful and famous and legendary concert master of the New York Philharmonic.

  • And so I were you an orchestra brat?

  • Yes, I was I was at rehears

thank you very much.

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