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  • Hello and welcome to Sideshow Talk Show The Day on Sideshow, where we talked to interesting people about interesting stuff.

  • Today I'm joined by a hydrologist, Casey Ryan, who works here in Montana, studying water and how it moves around.

  • I You're gonna have to give me a just a quick explanation of what?

  • Hydraulic.

  • Just still you're exactly right.

  • Thanks.

  • So, uh, so hydrology is the study of water.

  • Basically, um, if you want to impact that and expanded a little bit hydrologist study, the occurrence, the distribution, the circulation and the properties of water of the Earth and also of the atmosphere.

  • Well, I mean, that sounds important.

  • I feel pretty reliant on water.

  • Like is if I didn't have it, I would die fairly quickly.

  • Um, both in terms of like, needing it for my own personal use.

  • But also, I think that it's pretty important for the for lake ecosystems also for agriculture.

  • So it's pretty important set of things to understand.

  • Yeah, I like to think so.

  • And you talked about a really great thing, Hank.

  • And that is that water is our most important resource on Earth.

  • Right?

  • As you alluded to really rely on it, and we all depend on.

  • Yeah, And as our tribal elders tell us, there's no substitute and there's no replacement.

  • Yes.

  • So that is why I thought Water Resource Is and water management was such a cool professional field to get into.

  • Yeah, and why I enjoy it and why?

  • I think it's supported.

  • So you work with the tribe?

  • I do.

  • So I work with Confederated Salish Kootenai tribes in western Montana, so were housed on the 1.3 million acre Flathead Indian Reservation in western Montana.

  • I've been there.

  • It's a beautiful place.

  • Yeah, Yeah, absolutely.

  • Um, so on a day to day basis, what are you doing to keep tabs on it, too?

  • Like what are you learning from what you like?

  • You have, like, water measurement stations, I assume all over the place.

  • Yeah, of course.

  • It's really the great it's ah, being a hydrologist.

  • It's a great job.

  • If you like to be outside, right, Right is in the summer, this time of year, when everything is beautiful outside and it's nice and warm.

  • There's lots of field work that we need to go do.

  • And then in the winter, when it's negative 20 or 30.

  • Here in western Montana, there's lots of paperwork to dio to analyze all your data.

  • Yeah, the water isn't doing anything.

  • It's a statistic, Nick saying right there, frozen on the surface, especially in January.

  • Here, when it gets very cold, it does.

  • And so you're keeping tabs on what's going on with water on the reservation.

  • What do you do with that information?

  • So what we do, Hank, is we have, ah, water resource is program, and that's housed within the natural resource is Department of the Confederated Salish Kootenai Tribes.

  • And so we really ah, we really do several things.

  • One of them is we measure water.

  • So we have a water measurement program, and that involves 83 gauges that we have spread throughout the reservation.

  • And we really do three things with these water gauges.

  • We measure water where it's coming from where it is and where it's going across the reservation, right, and that changes from year to year.

  • I imagine knowing from day to day in for a minute.

  • That's one of the things about water in the West.

  • Yeah, so we can use that data to help inform agriculture Agriculture, of course, is a very big part of the economy here in western Montana, on its very big up on the reservation as well.

  • There's a lot of irrigated acres over 130,000 irrigated acres on the reservation, so we have over 1300 miles of canal on the reservation.

  • The conveys water to farmers and ranchers, and we have gauges that tell us where that water is in real time.

  • So what we can do with that data, Hank, is we can help to make water measurement decisions so that we're allocating water to the right place at the right time, but also making sure that we leave enough water in the streams for the fish and for recreation.

  • Absolutely so That's one of the things you d'oh feel like.

  • You said there were three.

  • That's just one of the things way.

  • Help protect fisheries.

  • So we have several species, both of cultural concern and also some species that are on the threatened and endangered list.

  • So, for example, bull trout, it's like the grizzly bear of fish.

  • It requires very cold, clean, calm legs and connected ecosystems.

  • It's a threatened and endangered species and so federally were mandated to protect it.

  • But we also have a cultural imperative to protect the bull trout.

  • The bull trout are, ah, species of particular cultural importance to us.

  • In fact, if you look at a map of traditional sale ish place names, we have more places that are named after bull trout than any other plant or animal.

  • Awesome.

  • In Missoula, for example, the confluence of the Rattlesnake Creek and the clerk for Creek in sale ish is a which means the place of the small bull trout.

  • But not the big ones, not the big ones.

  • Those air further.

  • Okay, you know he knows, Uh, and so that's number two fisheries.

  • That's number two.

  • And then the third thing we do is actually really fun.

  • And that's where the science comes.

  • Yeah, because once you have a long term data set of any particular river or stream, then you're able to monitor changes over time changes as a result of changes in land use on then also changes that may result from a changing climate, For example, we can look at our data and see that over the past 30 years, snowmelt has actually started to occur earlier and earlier in the season.

  • Yep.

  • Now here in the West, we're seeing snow melt happen about two weeks earlier than it did just a short 3 to 5 decades ago.

  • And that, I feel like, probably would increase the fire.

  • Season two if you have water happening like you have sort of a bigger space between when the snow is melting and when the snow is coming back absolutely and unfortunate.

  • For those of us who like to get out and recreation August, we'll just be outside at all.

  • Yeah, yeah, it's It's been smoky.

  • Last year was a very smoky here, Um, and I know that, you know, we had bad fires here, but there are bad fires all over the place.

  • Um, you also work on There's some kind of fire related thing that you're also working on.

  • Yeah, that's correct.

  • Thanks.

  • So one of the fun things that I get to do in my position is I actually had the privilege of being invited to a national team.

  • It's called the Burned Area Emergency Response Team.

  • Cool.

  • That's kind of a mouthful.

  • So we usually go with the acronym bear.

  • That's great.

  • That's great.

  • So, uh, bear team is a group of scientists and engineers.

  • Yeah.

  • They come in immediately after a wildfire that Moses, significant risks to life, property or critical cultural and natural resource is.

  • And what we do is we use science and technology to determine if there is a risk to those.

  • Resource is.

  • And if there is, then we engineer solutions to try to prevent and reduce those risks.

  • So, after a fire, I mean, obviously, the landscape has changed.

  • Um, what are you looking out for?

  • That might be a potential risk.

  • Yeah.

  • So it depends on who you are on the team.

  • Right?

  • So this is a team of scientists and engineers, and they're basically called in depending upon what the resource at risk is.

  • So let's say that you have some cultural sites that are at risk.

  • You might bring in a cultural resource specialist, and they can go in, and they can map and determine which sites may be at risk and and how to prevent them from things like looting.

  • Okay, If there are threatened and endangered species involved, you may bring in a botanist or a biologist, or if I of course, One of the major effects on the landscape is a result of fire is how that landscape is gonna respond toe water into precipitation events.

  • Right.

  • So hydrologist is quite often brought in, which is great news.

  • If you are a hydrologist, because it means opportunities toe travel, see amazing new places and of course, help people right?

  • And so if you suddenly don't have a lot of vegetation that usedto have maybe holding that all that land in place you're looking out for, like, landslide risk one.

  • Exactly.

  • So watersheds do a number of things, and when you have fire come onto a landscape, it changes things dramatically.

  • A cz you alluded to.

  • You don't have the vegetation there, So not only do you lose all the shade when you're hiking, you also lose the shade that insulates the ground and protects the ground from from thermal radiation.

  • And what that does is it removes a lot of the landscapes ability thio shed water, transpire, water toehold, snowpack, and as a result, you tend to see very dramatic flashes of water through the system from dryers and also, as you alluded to their high risk of flood and debris flows, right.

  • So the water moves through the system much more quickly being held up, by the way, I like, you know, transpiration by, like plants taking it up.

  • And I imagine, also is transporting on more sediment.

  • Absolutely sediment.

  • And the other thing that fire could do if it burns very hot, is it?

  • Can the hydrocarbon residue can actually get into those pores in the soil, lugged them up.

  • And so what you have, then it is soil that is very water repellent.

  • We call it Hydro from Bisset.

  • You're hydrophobic soils, right?

  • And then it just slides right off the surface.

  • If you get it.

  • If you get a precipitation event or, ah, two inches of rain in one day, for example, that could be very bad news.

  • So we'd come in and try to engineer solutions to try to minimize those risks.

  • How long have been on this team?

  • So I've been on this team for 2.5 years now.

  • Last year, for example, I got to go help out the folks in California on the Mendocino complex fire, which was over 400,000 acre fire in California that, uh, Californians know very well.

  • It was very devastating to a lot of people.

  • So the opportunity to go there and to try to help with those efforts was really rewarding for me.

  • Is this something that you have any idea that that existed when you were going through school?

  • No, actually, I had heard a little bit about thes wildfire reliefs efforts, and I've studied it a little bit in school.

  • But I remember backpacking and I was in the rattlesnake wilderness just north of Missoula, and I remember sitting on a ridge and I was drinking my coffee and I was looking out and watching the huge mushroom cloud that was coming up over Thea Liberty Fire at the time.

  • And I had no idea that 24 hours later I would be in an inn briefing and I would be at the start of what would be a 14 day deployment, working 16 hours a day to try to bring some relief to those efforts.

  • Wow!

  • And I mean eso like, obviously there's a day to day science.

  • But then there's also sort of a disaster response part of your job, which is not something that I would have imagined as you know, a sort of working scientist.

  • When I tell people I'm a hydrologist, there's really a lot that goes into that.

  • So I tend to just tell people that I'm a water engineer.

  • That raises less questions.

  • Water engineer and also science first responder.

  • I like that.

  • Thanks.

  • Uh, yeah.

  • And do you?

  • Ah, have you been seeing a sort of increase in these kinds of impacts?

  • We have.

  • So here in the West, we've noticed that wildfire wildfire season has increased by over 36 days per season.

  • And that was out of some research that came out of the Rocky Mountain Research station just two or three years ago.

  • So we've definitely noticed those impacts.

  • If you're someone who's lived here in the West for a good deal of time, you condemn finitely.

  • Notice that the climate around here is certainly changing.

  • Yeah.

  • What's that about?

  • Well, wait could fill a whole episode.

  • Yeah.

  • No.

  • Yeah.

  • No, uh, way.

  • D'oh!

  • Wait.

  • Try, um, the impacts of many.

  • They affect recreation.

  • They affect the economy here in western Montana.

  • And another effect that it has for our tribes is it has an effect on our traditional way of life.

  • So our tribal creation stories are contained within a set of sacred stories that are on Lee, brought out in the wintertime when the snow is on the ground and then when the snow has melted.

  • We put those stories away until the followings until the following winter.

  • And so one of the effects of a changing climate is that we have these traditional sacred stories that have been passed down for thousands of years.

  • And as we see snow pack snowmelt occur earlier and earlier and reducing snowpacks, it raises really tough questions about what our tribal elders will do with these stories.

  • If we have a winter with, say, for example, no snow on the ground, right?

  • So you're working with the bear program, Is that right?

  • That's correct.

  • And But you also work with the tribe.

  • I d'oh and s So So what's your affiliation there?

  • So my affiliation there.

  • So I am bitter.

  • It's a lish.

  • I'm enrolled member of the Confederated Salish include any tribes OK, and that is a collection of the Salish, the coup tinny, and the pond array, also known as the upper callous spell tribes.

  • So my tribal ancestry is bitter Salish, and we once occupied over 20 million acres of what is now Idaho, Montana, Wyoming and up into a British Columbia.

  • So we now currently reside on the Flathead Indian Reservation in western Montana.

  • That's about 1.3 million acres, very diverse territory, everything from cedar forests to sage brush, step country.

  • And that is, Ah, reservation that we reserved in 18 55 in the Treaty of Hellgate.

  • So that is where I work.

  • It's where our tribal government is housed, and it's where we have a tribal natural resource program.

  • So what I do with the tribal natural resource program is I helped to manage.

  • The resource is particularly of the water resource is of the reservation trying to conserve and protect them both for current and for future generations.

  • I think a lot of people don't understand.

  • Maybe me as well.

  • How does the tribal government interface with state federal government, like how, how independent visit and how sort of like How does it interface with those other governments?

  • Yeah, So our tribal government, we are, uh, we are governed by a tribal council, which consists of 10 elected tribal council women and tribal councilmen and they serve is our central government.

  • We are a sovereign nation.

  • And so we have a state to state relationship, both with the state of Montana and also with the federal government.

  • So we manage the resource is and the politics, the Flathead Indian Reservation.

  • But we also have very good relations with our non tribal neighbors.

  • So, for example, I have contemporaries in the in state government and in the federal government, and we have very good working relationships for both on and off reservation issues.

  • I mean, I think so few people understand that there is this state to state relationship with with tribal governments and that this is actually kind of, ah, another sovereign nation inside of our country.

  • We are, And it can be very complicated.

  • If you've never been to an Indian reservation, I would highly encourage you to come visit us.

  • Um, we have, uh, guest that is going to join us.

  • I haven't seen this guest in a while, but I don't I don't know how much you've probably seen a number of beavers close up.

  • I have.

  • And I've read this guest biography and I'm very excited.

  • Me too.

  • I haven't seen Huckleberry in a while.

  • I think that Huckleberry might have gotten bigger.

  • Okay, I'm ready.

  • Hey, look, Are we?

  • It's Huckleberry the Beaver.

  • I don't know why.

  • I felt like beavers weren't that big butt.

  • Huckleberry isn't even full size, right?

  • No.

  • He's almost two years old and they mature between two and three.

  • So he's got He's got some room to grow.

  • He's Ah, he's already He's about £40 right now and they average about 60 50 to 60 in the wild.

  • Some of the bigger guys get to be about £70.

  • That surprises me dressy.

  • I've seen pictures of Huckleberry before at doesn't care that I expect any super strong, too.

  • He's just like solid muscle.

  • And but he's not.

  • No, he's pretty content just sitting on my lap, eaten in the streets.

  • What good?

  • What can we do to make Huckleberry feel more comfortable?

  • Stay still and maybe use a quiet voice.

  • Okay, Those were pretty much And don't try to touch his face.

  • Oh, I won't try and touch him at all.

  • So Huckleberry, he came to us from the from Montana.

  • Hey was found orphaned in a river and he was sick, malnourished, and we fixed him up, got him eating and pretty healthy.

  • And then we realized that he had something called a taxi.

  • A.

  • So he has a brain trauma that everyone smile shows when he will fall sideways, run into something his muscles just don't quite do what they're supposed to do.

  • And it's just, ah, brain muscle relation.

  • That kind of breaks down and it's random.

  • And he also has impaired vision in his right eye, so he won't run into things sometimes.

  • But if he knows this area, he does pretty good.

  • He can smell.

  • I know you want some more.

  • How about this huge one?

  • You're very sure There you go.

  • He seems pretty happy right now unless you try to take this food away.

  • Exactly.

  • Exactly.

  • Super content.

  • And one of the main reasons he's really content is he knows this routine and he knows me really well.

  • So that you the really fun thing about beavers is when you're working with them.

  • If they form a trust bond with you, well, I raised him and so he sees me as family and beavers were really, really have strong social bonds, family, social bonds, and they don't like strangers, but they are really comfortable with people that they know.

  • And so, if you were, if you were to try and touch him or you try to get him to sit on your lap, he would, he would know would not be a willing participant.

  • Right?

  • Andi, I feel like a beaver could do a fair amount of damage to me.

  • These guys are the second largest rodent in the world.

  • They have huge incisors, and they can choose your history.

  • So totally by those back legs look very strong, their first swimming.

  • So he has his.

  • You want some pear?

  • Try to take this fight you for it.

  • It's like back legs.

  • They're almost as big as my hand.

  • And so he uses those to swim with their semi aquatic.

  • And what's my hand doing over here here?

  • Food over here?

  • Oh, so they are excellent swimmers, and they're kind of clumsy on land.

  • They can sprint short distances, but mostly they're they're gonna just waddle around on land getting there whatever they need to and then bring it back to the water to their lodge.

  • And I love educating about beavers.

  • I mean he's really cool, is an individual and it's fun for me to work with them.

  • But educating about what they do in the wild is just I find it very exciting to share because a lot of people, I mean, they like beavers.

  • They have a cool tail.

  • You don't people know that they slept with their tail.

  • They chew through trees.

  • But a lot of people, they have an idea.

  • But they don't really fully understand how important beavers are to the environment.

  • They completely change an ecosystem, and it's for the betterment of basically every species.

  • Except maybe humans in the short term argue because in the long term they are so important for what, exactly what you do.

  • So everything that you were talking about beavers improve all of those things.

  • As a hydrologist, it's really a treat to get to share the stage on really Be.

  • The opening act for Huckleberry is Beaver's a really terrific ecosystem engineers and a sign of a healthy river.

  • Ah, healthy River has what we call the four C's, and that's cold, clean, complex and connected.

  • And when it comes to doing and achieving those four things, beavers are really the most amazing ecosystem stars.

  • Yeah.

  • So I loved some of the things you're saying about the cold water.

  • Definitely.

  • They're going to build dams, and then it creates slower moving water, but deeper.

  • And so it stays cool.

  • And so it's gonna create habitat for the trout species.

  • And then it also filters out.

  • Sediments in the sediments are going to stay there, is gonna create filtered water, cleaner water downstream and with for the wildlife have you have you pushed for having beaver restoration in in in your waterways?

  • I have to say, Jesse.

  • So I recently visited a restoration site.

  • It was river just outside of town that had been affected by a legacy of mining.

  • And they've done a lot of really great restoration work up there.

  • And when we went toe have ah, field, site and toe.

  • Look at this restoration work that they've done.

  • Imagine our surprise when we hiked around the corner and what did we see but a beaver dam?

  • Beaver lodge.

  • That's a sign of a healthy river.

  • That's great.

  • Yeah.

  • Yeah.

  • So these guys are super important for you.

  • No clean water, cool water.

  • And then, um, they create the complex, I guess.

  • Where you saying complex like biodiversity?

  • Because they create biodiversity when they create new ecosystems or new a species to live there.

  • When I say complex Jesse, I mean messy.

  • So when you look at a river and you see all of that down debris in there that lark what we call large woody debris thes trees in the river, we might think that looks messy as humans.

  • Yeah, but any fly Fisher person can tell you that's a sign of a healthy river.

  • Right on all that, like the ways that rivers function like we see them a static in our brains that, like this, is where the rivers, and especially in the city like the river, has to stay where it is or it becomes inside of your house.

  • But in a natural ecosystem, rivers move around and they, like, wander from side to side of the valley over tens of thousands of years and create this fertile and that we all use and beavers are part of that because, like as they are creating structure in a river, the river has to find new ways to flow so fat like, and then you get these big oxbow lakes and you get this all this weird, complex stuff.

  • Yeah, And then the last thing that beavers really help with is wildfires.

  • So when humans air, we're thinking of like, Oh, man, we're having devastating fires.

  • And the first thing that a lot of people think is, well, less fuel, less fire.

  • And that's, you know, beavers are very cheap resource.

  • They do other way.

  • They work for free on.

  • They can go and create these big, wet repairing areas, and it increases the humidity.

  • And it creates basically these big like fire blocks because down in the in the valley the fires cannot cross this big boggy area because they've created multiple ponds with their dams and their lodges.

  • And so it's It's such a little used resource, and it's it's so effect way don't like swamps.

  • We don't like slumps until there's a fire off.

  • Exactly.

  • We also don't like fires s Oh, these guys are really important.

  • And I know there's a lot of you, all of it.

  • If it is many as you can in your mouth, I I'll just leave my hand there like a he's like it's like I'd be a hamster if I could.

  • So there's there's controversy with landowners and these guys chewing down favorite trees or making ponds where people don't want exactly making things messy, Um, have filling up covert and then flooding roads and stuff like that.

  • So there is a lot of scientists working on those problems, trying to figure out how we can smooth those relations.

  • They could be complicated neighbors, but just like the guy who likes to mow his lawn at midnight, you know there are ways that we can get along on be theirs.

  • We're not.

  • There were not a lot left, but there was a lot of area that was completely like there were no more because they're ready.

  • Get the point was to trap them in into extinction, Um, and so special.

  • So eastern Montana is a big place where we see a lot of issues with really dry, hard baked land, and that's because they eradicated there beavers.

  • And so a great way to kind of restore that area is to introduce fever's back into those ecosystems.

  • And a really great way to do it is if you haven't established beaver family that you know, produces four kits a year, and you don't want them maybe in your city, creating new new structures.

  • There you can trap the babies and move them to these other places.

  • But along with that, you also have thio established that you can't trap them all once they're there, they're so it's complicated.

  • But there there are ways that we can definitely improve What we got going on.

  • Fevers are the only other mammal that, ah really reconstructs the environment to fit their needs.

  • So they're just there.

  • They're there, too.

  • I mean, they're doing the things they dio to protect their babies.

  • So they need to build a dam to slow the water, to build a lodge to their baby, stay safe in the lodge.

  • So they're doing just what humans do.

  • They go in there and they change the environment to protect their family.

  • And, you know, there they wouldn't do any good.

  • Buddy, what is beaver Family life?

  • Jesse are the Are the kits helpful?

  • They helping collecting food or clean?

  • Or they like most managers where they just sleep in Exactly.

  • So they're similar to humans.

  • I don't They they don't.

  • They don't do anything when they're babies.

  • They just have fun and, you know, take a pre sources.

  • But they're adorable.

  • So they hang out in the lodge for the 1st 8 weeks.

  • They can swim on Day One and that the lodge construction is basically there's a secret entrance under the water, and then they build it above the water line.

  • So there's, like, this dry fort area with a little dry shelf, a little swimming pool on the inside.

  • And so the baby's air.

  • We'll be going in there and they swim around.

  • They climb back up, and then Mom comes and nurses on.

  • Then, as they get a little bit older, they start eating the brows that they'll Mom and Dad will and older brothers and sisters will bring in for him.

  • At eight weeks old, they can leave the lodge, and he's shoving his mouthful again.

  • Okay, you eight weeks old, they can leave the lodge.

  • So any guesses, you might know him.

  • I've told you before.

  • Any guesses onto why, baby beavers cannot leave the lodge until eight weeks old.

  • They physically can't.

  • Yeah, And I do remember you telling me this, but I forgot.

  • OK?

  • It's not a curfew.

  • You know eso.

  • They are filled with air bubbles, so essentially they're filled with gas and so they float, can't price they cannot dive.

  • And so they were told they fart all their air bubbles out there.

  • I would have no, I would have remembered that farted on out and then they can dive and they could get out their secret entrance so that eight weeks old, they develop a magical new ability.

  • Oh, explosive ability, abilities.

  • So they leave the lodge and they start figuring out the world, and, um, their older brothers and sisters are still with them.

  • You listen to me talking, you see your ears moving, and Mom and Dad and brothers and sisters all ah, take care of the babies and teach them what foods to eat, what predator's air out there.

  • And if something scary happens, the slap their tail babies immediately dive either to the bottom, and they can hold their breath for 15 minutes.

  • So little dive down to the bottom of the lake or river or pond, and, um, or they'll go into their secret entrance tied and ah, that's how they kind of just figure the world out.

  • And then at if you don't eat too much.

  • Oh, my system held a little bit of kibble out happens Good.

  • Huckleberry has eaten all the food he he has.

  • He has.

  • So, um, I guess I have to speed talk the rest of the way.

  • So large.

  • Yeah, he's a happy boy.

  • Yeah, I'm gonna go.

  • Come here.

  • You stay here.

  • Let's cuddle.

  • Oh, that's a good little calling.

  • You alright, Huckleberry.

  • Thank you for joining us.

  • He's just gonna go see Okay.

  • Just gonna cuddle is gonna call.

  • It's been really fun getting to know him and and just getting to know him as it is an individual and then, uh, still does.

  • Um, and then, uh, also teaching about him.

  • And, uh good job, buddy.

  • You go.

  • And at two years old, it's gonna be fun.

  • This is a new transition for him.

  • So he's now, I guess you'd say almost officially an adult, he would be out looking for a mate and building a home.

  • So his care is gonna change a little bit at animal wonders.

  • Were going thio.

  • Probably be seeing a lot more large construction attempts.

  • So we'll give him some big branches, not just to eat but to build with.

  • So it's gonna be an adventure.

  • It it keeps changing.

  • It's great.

  • And you just got to make sure that you can, like, can't eat his enclosure.

  • Ah, yeah, that was that was in the construction process.

  • He just recently got moved to his big new home with a pool in it.

  • And, uh, everything is either made out of stone or metal, Theo.

  • Only way to do it.

  • Turned out they can eat wood.

  • Yeah, uh, Huckleberry, thank you so much for joining us and being such a remarkable, weird thing.

  • I was just looking at his face right then.

  • And it was such a cute little eyes.

  • Casey, also thank you so much for coming and sharing about your work.

  • Um, Thanksgiving stuff.

  • Ah, and I love to see all the different ways that people use science for the betterment of people's lives.

  • And also just to learn cool stuff.

  • Thanks everybody for watching.

  • If you want to see more what we do, I'm sideshow.

  • That's youtube dot com slash sideshow.

  • If you want to see more of what Jesse is up to, you go to youtube dot com slash animal wonders.

  • Montana you can see all of her animals and all the hard work she goes to keep them happy and healthy.

  • And we'll put a link in the description if you want to see more of what Casey's up Thio.

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