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  • This is the Technical Difficulties, we're playing Citation Needed.

  • Joining me today, he reads books y'know, it's Chris Joel.

  • Hello.

  • Everybody's favourite Gary Brannan, Gary Brannan.

  • Well, I'm cock-a-hoop.

  • And the bounciest man on the internet, Matt Gray.

  • This is a public service announcement.

  • These public services are closed.

  • Please use the nearest toilets on the other side of the concourse.

  • In front of me I've got an article from Wikipedia and these folks can't see it.

  • Every fact they get right is a point and a ding.

  • And there's a special prize for particularly good answers which is...

  • And today we are talking about the Battle of Fishguard.

  • Is a Fishguard a shield?

  • Yes, they hold it in their little... hands.

  • Good luck with this one, Gary.

  • -Oh, s***. -We have started well.

  • I meant the battlers, what are they called, warriors? Let's call them warriors.

  • Were they warriors holding up fish as shields, the Fishguard?

  • What, like a flatfish and then a swordfish in the other hand?

  • Oh!

  • Squelching your way forward and making a…

  • Now, that's a proper combination.

  • Yeah, or a pike.

  • Oh!

  • F*** you.

  • No, is the answer to all of that, I'll just shut that down immediately.

  • I'm going to say Wales.

  • Yes, and have a point.

  • It's a place?

  • Yes, yeah, I learnt it in a Beano annual.

  • I learned it from the shipping forecast.

  • Well, there we go, we all have different routes to education(!)

  • This isn't one, by the way.

  • Yeah, well you'll say at the end, "that taught me a lesson."

  • -Hey! -Ah.

  • -Beano annual? -Well, up yours then.

  • The Fishguard is as place in Wales and this is where the battle took place.

  • No, f***, really?

  • They named the battle after where it happened,

  • unlike all the other battle naming conventions, which were a good 50 miles away.

  • Just to confuse the future tourists.

  • Yeah, it's like in World War 2 when they switched the road signs round.

  • That's a fair point, Battle and actual site of the Battle of Hastings is debatable for instance.

  • So yeah, it has been done.

  • Battle of Waterloo, you can see the remains in Waterloo Station to this day.

  • That's true, you wouldn't have thought they'd have it so close to London, would you?

  • I know.

  • It's just a Friday night before Christmas and everyone's trying to get north, it's just

  • That's when Abba fell out.

  • When you're ready.

  • Oh, they've turned.

  • -They've turned, they've turned. -It's a poor audience.

  • This was a battle in Fishguard, who might have been attacking and when?

  • -Fishermen. -Actually is it a Cod War?

  • -I was going to go for trawlermen, yeah. -Yeah.

  • Oh no, no, it's a little early for trawlers.

  • So it wasn't an uprising, oh, was it Vikings?

  • It's a little late for Vikings.

  • So it's somewhere between Vikings and the advent of modern fishing.

  • Where we sit the best.

  • Well, using my extensive historical knowledge

  • I'm bracing myself, carry on.

  • It's not Victorian.

  • -What! -That was the only other time period I know.

  • I'm going to go 13th century.

  • No, it's… it's much later, this was during the War of the First Coalition.

  • Well, is that... political joke incoming,

  • Is that somewhere around about 2010?

  • This was 1792 to 1797, who might Britain have been battling then?

  • -Virtually everybody. -Yes.

  • Tom, does the wheel spin and land, as it does 50% of the time, on France?

  • Playing the hits, ladies and gentlemen!

  • "We are coming for you."

  • This was an attempt to land a force of French troops in Britain

  • to support another invasion.

  • So they went via Wales?

  • -Yes. -The soft underbelly of England.

  • So where might have been the primary attack force headed?

  • -Ireland? -Yes.

  • Oh, hang on.

  • Because Wales, boat wise, is on the way to Ireland, isn't it?

  • Sure!

  • Well, because if you're boating from the France bit,

  • you get to the Wales bit before you get to the Ireland bit, don't you?

  • If you're coming the right, top right bit of France?

  • Yes.

  • -He's… he's not wrong. -It often depends

  • on which direction you're heading, I suppose, doesn't it, yeah.

  • -The top left. -No, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

  • So what was this invasion force intended to do?

  • Invade.

  • That is technically a correct answer.

  • This was a third attempt at invasion, why did some of the earlier ones fail?

  • Far too windy.

  • Yeah, you're absolutely right.

  • That's what you get for having beans on the journey.

  • "Oh, mais oui, le bilious..."

  • "Le windy-pop, c'est grande."

  • So the Wales-bound invasion force, 1400 troops from the Black Legion.

  • Oh, "lagion noire"!

  • Under the command of an Irish American, Colonel William Tate.

  • Was it the Black Legion from our side?

  • No, this is... well, I'm translating, Lagion noire.

  • -Sorry, Tate rings a bell. -It does actually.

  • Did theydid they invade with art?

  • Tate.

  • No, it actually wasn't recent enough for modern art.

  • Who clapped?

  • Just once as well, which...

  • Thank you. Well, we're going to arrange it

  • so each person takes a single clap at each joke, and on average...

  • Is one clap a greater degree of shade...?

  • 1400 troops invading Wales, essentially.

  • And did anyone ask the Welsh, were they alright with this?

  • It sounds dreadfully rude.

  • Well, you say that, there was a bit of response when 1400 troops arrived.

  • What were these troops made up of?

  • Horses?

  • Cavalry.

  • No, infantry.

  • Horses riding men. That was a real diversionary tactic.

  • 600 were regular soldiers that Napoleon had not required to conquer Italy.

  • So the B team?

  • Yes, 800 were irregulars, now what does that mean?

  • Slight factory seconds.

  • Maybe some chips in the glaze but still useful.

  • Irregulars are paid mercenaries, aren't they?

  • Not quite.

  • Conscripts.

  • Again, not... not quite, it's more general.

  • So they're a special force but not in an SAS kind of way?

  • Yeah, just in, there's something different about these folk.

  • They're special. They're special as in you wouldn't trust them with anything important?

  • -Yes. -Right.

  • -So we have… -This is good.

  • We have the B team and we have the irregulars.

  • And actually I am going to give you a point because it includes:

  • republicans, deserters, convicts and royalist prisoners.

  • Nice. Now, at least that last category is probably not going to be that up for this, would I imagine?

  • Are they going to choose this as a running away opportunity?

  • Yeah, you know what, that's a point.

  • Discipline broke down amongst the irregulars on landing.

  • What a delightful euphemism.

  • Discipline broke down amongst these prisoners that we tried to order into doing something.

  • "And no naughty running away while you're at it, I want you all here by teatime, you understand?

  • "You're on your honour."

  • And yes, they did indeed desert; where and why might they have deserted?

  • Because they're being forced to do things against their will in a foreign nation.

  • Oh, but very specifically they went to try and do something.

  • Cocktail bars.

  • Did they just want some fish and chips and they found a place on the map called Fishplace

  • or whatever it was called?

  • I mean it wasn't so much they were paying for the fish and chips.

  • Did they steal fish and chips?

  • -They just went looting? -That is exactly the right word, yes, they

  • They're robbers, they'll just go looting!

  • Yes.

  • "You mean these people who we've arrested for stealing,

  • "we've let them go of their own free will, are stealing again?"

  • Let's not forget, we've given them rifles!

  • The set up for the battle, if you like.

  • I don't know what, there is probably a formal term for the armies amassing themselves

  • and getting ready to fight.

  • It is, it's the armies amassing themselves and getting ready to fight.

  • The armies amassed themselves and got ready to fight.

  • But that took a little while, so on the French side they'd sort of taken over a few farmhouses.

  • What's happening in the British command?

  • Tea.

  • A social event is happening.

  • Oh, that's nice.

  • A messenger on horseback arrives to instruct the commanding officer.

  • And the commanding officer was William Knox, what was his immediate reaction?

  • "More brandy!"

  • Yes!

  • "We'll fight them in the morning...

  • "... lunchtime."

  • The thing is you're about right.

  • "Wednesday."

  • -The import… -"I'm not done."

  • "Don't you interrupt an officer of the crown.

  • "Now you may speak."

  • -The import… -"But not about that."

  • The import of this news was slow to dawn on Knox.

  • "I don't know what you mean."

  • His initial reaction was "Really?"

  • The next title here is Battle Averted.

  • Ah.

  • So what happened?

  • A pint of rum for anybody who switches sides.

  • Oh, you know what?

  • Two pints of rum for anybody who switches sides!

  • Mercy for anybody who switches s...

  • "Brandy for anybody who switches sides!"

  • F***ing something for f***ing switching sides and some people did.

  • It's... it's not quite switching sides, is wh...

  • discipline among the recruits had collapsed once they discovered the local supply of wine.

  • So they themselves were drunk.

  • Why might there have been wine in Wales?

  • -Stolen. -Medicinal?

  • Stolen is close.

  • Stollen. The bready thing.

  • "This wine is German Christmas bread!

  • "I'll have none of it."

  • It was actually Portuguese wine.

  • -Washed up? -Yes.

  • A Portuguese ship had been wrecked, some wine had come ashore.

  • -Because they're on the lefty bit. -Yes, where the boats go.

  • Where the boats all go.

  • So Portuguese's version of man o' war probably sank.

  • And some bottles had washed up that were full of probably port.

  • Well, that's gout-worthy, isn't it?

  • -You'd know. -Y.. dammit!

  • The most painful thing that ever happened, don't do it.

  • And I only wish I'd got it through better means.

  • While the British are marching in, what's happening with the locals?

  • Are they rapidly sobering the French up to get them to actually have this fight they fancied?

  • Chasing them out inwith like comedy implements,

  • like people chasing them out with rolling pins and s***?

  • You know what?

  • Mystery Biscuits.

  • The French are approaching, the British under the command of Lord Cawdor,

  • whose HQ is where?

  • Mordor.

  • It doesn't have to rhyme.

  • "Lord Cawdor of Mordor!"

  • "Lord Wellington of Hellington."

  • I mean, no, the local pub, the Royal Oak.

  • -Really? -He set up in the pub, that was his HQ,

  • so he's taken his men from there.

  • It's a very drunken invasion on both sides, this.

  • But pubs could be used for official uses, because they were like a community.

  • You often had inquests and things that took place in the local pub.

  • Obviously not on the top of the bar, that would be rude, but in an upstairs room.

  • So suddenly someone kicking the door in and going, "mine now,"

  • they were probably quite used to it, it could be used as courtrooms and things as well.

  • You'd just go over to the Winchester and wait for it all to blow over.

  • Pretty much.

  • The French realised that the British had more people than them.

  • So as the light fails, they go back to their camps for the night.

  • The next morning, what happens at the pub?

  • Well, the British get up and realise that there's nothing left in the pub

  • and therefore have to seek out things like bacon sandwiches, possibly a McDonald's,

  • something like that, just to get them over the night before.

  • -Who comes along to the pub? -Do the French come along to the pub?

  • Yes, two French officers turned up, why would they do that?

  • They too were in search of bacon sandwiches, possibly a McDonald's.

  • Why do you send only two officers to the opponent's HQ?

  • Because one of them is a horse, and has been riding on the back of the man.

  • He knocks on the door with his hooves.

  • I'm looking for a specific word here.

  • Oh mywell, if we start at A.

  • They're negotiating the terms of

  • Surrender!

  • -Surrender, absolutely, right, thank you, sarcastic clap...

  • Yes, I deserve that(!)

  • Insert French surrender joke here, cutting room floor, there we go, there we go.

  • Yeah, they wish to negotiate a conditional surrender and Lord Cawdor said?

  • -No. -Yes.

  • I mean yes, you're right, that's absolutely...so why did he say that?

  • Because he hadn't had a fight yet and he'd come all this way and brought all those things.

  • And he was hungover and God damn it, somebody was going to suffer.

  • And he's been knocked up early in the morning by these bloody French already.

  • We're going to deal with them well after one, he hasn't got the papers with him or anything.

  • Does he not have the authority to accept it?

  • No, he absolutely has the authority to accept it.

  • He just didn't want to?

  • Yes, why might he have done that, why might he have turned away a conditional surrender,

  • and insisted that no, it's got to be unconditional?

  • Saw an easy career promotion with a crushing victory.

  • Oh, crushing victory is interesting.

  • -I was going to say... -Crushing loss, I don't know.

  • A sly glance. An impropriety at a society party. I don't f***ing know.

  • No, he... he was saying we can get a crushing victory, essentially, to them.

  • Was he getting a bonus if he won?

  • No, he was bluffing, he was flat out bluffing that he had more people and more on the way,

  • and, 'If you don't surrender you will all die, there are no conditions on this.'

  • "You can't come into the pub because it's full of men, full of them you hear, full of them.

  • "Well, no you can't, you simply can't come through the door.

  • "I can't accept your surrender, there's far too many of us, bye.

  • "Well, lads."

  • And so there is some speculation here,

  • that he got a little bit of help from some people looking on from the cliffs.

  • So what did the French see on the cliffs?

  • People?

  • Turn of the 18th century,

  • does anyone know what a traditional Welsh costume looks like for women?

  • Yes, the pointy hat and the little apron and they tie it under your thing,

  • and then, yeah, yeah, like that, you look like a little Welshwoman,

  • on all the spoons that they sell at the seaside resorts.

  • They sell spoons, alright, they have Welsh ladies on them.

  • I'll give you the point, it's a top hat and a red dress.

  • Yeah.

  • Now, if you're looking at someone far away on the top of a cliff

  • Oh s***, he didn't think he'd seen more soldiers, did he?

  • Yes.

  • Because they had a shako and the red coat,

  • so he's confused a bunch of watching Welshwomen for a force of infantry, is what you're saying?

  • That is the speculation, that he looked up at the top of the cliffs,

  • and thought, 'There's a lot of people up there,

  • 'and they look like soldiers.'

  • One, invent glasses, two, whatever happens in your life, whatever it is,

  • you're never going to be the man

  • who confused a load of Welshwomen in traditional dress for backup.

  • So what do the French do?

  • Run away.

  • Unconditional surrender, yes, I'll give you the point.

  • The French surrender, the British accept it,

  • Tate is imprisoned briefly,

  • and then returns to France along with most of the force.

  • There is something about this invasion though,

  • there is something; 1797, this was.

  • And there's something special about it, something that is marked out every time,

  • on every littleon every little memorial plaque about this,

  • there is something about the invasion of mainland Britain in 1797.

  • That will be the last invasion of mainland Britain.

  • Mystery Biscuits.

  • Unlike - going back to the start of this, so it's not thrown together - 1066,

  • which is what everyone else thinks it is.

  • Yes, you are absolutely right.

  • The Battle of Fishguard was the most recent landing on mainland Britain

  • by a hostile foreign force.

  • As we record this...

  • -And on that note... -Wow.

  • congratulations, Gary, you win the show.

  • You have won a device to help cool the lower jaws of South American rodents.

  • It's a chinchilla chin chiller.

  • So with that we say thank you to Chris Joel.

  • Thank you.

  • To Gary Brannan,

  • to Matt Gray.

  • I've been Tom Scott, and we'll see you next time.

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