Welcome to another interview, guys.

Who got Cameron today?

You know, your least favorite character in the start of Siri's.

They talk five character in the start of serious.

Yeah.

I mean, thanks for coming.

You were definitely the cheapest toe get here.

So think you're paying everyone else all right?

I don't pay a buck.

All right, That's good.

Start first things first for people who know who washed the start.

Siri's.

Well, first of all, if you don't watch it, you should watch it right now.

Okay, There we go.

Now, the thing about Cameron in startup Siri's is that he's a very hungry say, a romantic character.

He's very passionate and stuff like that.

So how are you in real life is, like, the only know you Cameron as a character, but they don't know you as you.

Well, they say life imitates art.

I think romantics a nice term desperate is probably a better term for the 3% of viewers who are women.

I am single, you know, um, I think at the beginning, I didn't really know what my character was going to be on the start of Siri's, and then I just came to realize like my acting's not great, but I could be myself.

I think you're acting is great, unless that's just yourself.

I am a loveable dork and really right.

Like when I was struggling doing push ups, I was actually starting to put.

That wasn't acting.

That was reality.

I did tell you to do like a shit ton, but because we kept, we kept like we're taking the same thing.

I was exhausted by the end of the heavy breaths.

Those those were real.

There's a little bit of reality.

There's a little bit of a joke.

I think it's me to the extreme.

So so are you a programmer?

Are something else in the start?

Siri's your programmer.

I've written how little world in a few different languages impressed, But no, I'm not a program data scientist.

So your data scientist, it's nice.

So let's talk about career now.

So as a data scientist, first of all, where did you work?

Uh, graduated out of UC Berkeley on, and then I worked for tender for a couple of years, and now I am working on unnamed large tech company in the bay.

Well, sec, I wonder what that is.

No idea, Dio.

They call it like head pages.

I think of that.

I wonder I wonder what it is.

You know the way so tender was your first job?

Yeah, that is crazy.

Interesting.

So you might know a lot about relationships or at least dating.

I'm one of those people who joined tinder cause I didn't know how to relationships.

I think, like maybe I've learned So did you learn anything?

Oh, yeah.

I learned a lot.

I went on How many dates wise?

My first year.

A tender.

I went on one date.

It was bad.

Well, maybe you were just very selective, right?

No, I was right.

It's, like, constantly get along matches, though.

No, no, no, no.

I had to put in work to get matches, But, you know, the first year was closer, Roughy.

And then eventually I started figuring out what to do and everything I'm like.

No, I was going on dates one or two dates a week by like, my second year a tender just cause I figured out what todo wow, That's actually a lot one or two days a week.

I'm a first date machine second day.

It's not so much you never once done kind of deal.

I'm gonna ask you more questions about that later because I want some tips also.

Yeah.

So you went to Berkeley and then wait, What did your study such?

That you went to data.

So how do you even know about data signs?

Good question.

Um, so I was bioengineer numerically.

I was pre med on.

Then I took organic chemistry and realized they hated it.

So you're supposed to be a doctor?

Yeah.

Your parents thought you were gonna be adult.

Parents are both doctors.

They wanted me to be a doctor.

He'd sold you yet?

Uh, a little bit.

They made me take the cat when I Really Yeah.

They didn't make me study.

I did not do well on it, but they made me take it because they wanted me to change my mind.

They were hoping, you know that the change in their heart of hearts the TV I have to do is eight hours with so much fun.

But I gotta do this more.

I got like, Caribbean med school scores.

What does that mean?

So, like Kat, you got to get like, 10 points above the average to get into, like, a good U S.

Med school, huh?

I got four points above the average, which, just like you can get into a Caribbean med school is where, like, people go if they don't get into any of US men.

Schools hang out there for two years.

I did premed.

I graduated premed, But I knew at that point I didn't want to do do bio anymore.

I want to do some mixture of stats and psychology, so I blood Ph.

D is in game theory on.

I haven't taken a single e con class in my life.

And so I got rejected from every single PhD that I applied to, and so I I panicked a bit applied to 115 jobs out of undergrad on.

Then it was mixture of lake analytics, product management's and then you ex research in the Analects.

Once we're the only ones that really call me back because I had the math background for it.

So then I went into analytics a tender.

You were doing biomedical engineering.

Yeah, and, uh, and there were a lot of math and that I guess Yeah.

I mean, it's like a lot of engineering classes I like.

I like stats.

So I did a lot of stats class on the side and everything, like the bio in itself was enough to handle any of the math that you do is a data scientist.

Yeah, that makes sense.

Because I was wondering, with that degree today, even like, look at you because I feel like it would feel like, I guess, No, my team.

There's a lot of people who are late by on physics Peach to use like, yeah, my data science teams.

There's like a lot of people who came from, like a bio engineering background, actually more who do that, then come from like a stats, background or a math background.

And then when you start your first shot, but tender, did you enjoy it or did you not like, Why'd you switch?

I liked it, but I was working out in Texas.

Texas is one of those places.

Were like, If you have a family, it's nice.

It's great place.

Public golden retriever, two kids, white picket fence.

But like a 22 year old, you can only eat so much barbecue on, like I was putting on weight.

And I didn't really have any friends out there because I've never lived out there.

It always lived in California, and so, like, it just is boring.

So I tried to move back to the day, and when I did, I was recruited.

You could get really huge houses there is right.

She Did you get a nice house, like, $200,000 or so?

You should all move to Texas before it rises up again.

I mean, a lot of companies are going to Austin at this point.

Okay, well, I guess the price is gonna rise that it's going to It sucks.

So, did you study for your data science interviews?

I spent a week Marnix equal, like E did I think w three schools.

I just picked it up super quickly.

Also learned a lot from brilliant dot or GE.

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To get the data science interview, you need sequel, and then you need either are or Python.

And honestly, that's about it.

Like when I interviewed for analyst positions, like on the other end of the interviewer.

I kept on seeing resumes that were just, like, packed with every programming language possible and, like I usually trash them because the reality is that, like all these people have the exact same resume, like it's literally template ID.

Not like Doc, exactly.

Word for word, but, like, objectively the same.

And then when I see 100 of those, I don't know which 100 to pick.

So I don't think any of them the reason being like I look for people who have some distinct interest in the field, and that gives me a better signal like there's a reason they're applying this job instead of just slamming their resume out everywhere.

Sounds a little bit like dating.

It does sound a little bit like because, you know, my profile just generic.

So I complied most.

Do you have a can pick up line?

No, I don't.

Actually, I just say, Hey, you say hey and that works.

No, you're looking.

I mean, that's the thing.

Like if they're girls, I don't care about that.

I say, Hey, because if they say hey back and talk to me, they must really like me.

So I'd be down if someone's reads like, really into me, right?

But if it's someone that I think she's so hot early, which is so interesting, then I'll take more like I'll take the time to like like a profile try, think of a funny line and then do it.

How many responses do you get when you say Hey?

No.

When I tell you, yeah.

Oh, yeah, I went out of 10.

That's actually pretty good.

Really, That's actually not bad.

So I mean, I don't get along matches either, right?

So you're saying as if you have 10 matches Do you think is in complete sampling a small numbers, half a response on five.

So what did you learn about dating when you worked at Tender Man so much?

I'm gonna try not talking about the math part first, because like, I think there's a lot of cool math and there's a lot of the optimization, like what I learned more about was kind of the mindset of dating off.

And by that I mean, like, you can really go into dating with two different mindsets.

Well, first off, you could just not date, and I know a lot of people do that and like they're happy doing that.

But they also want to get married, and they just don't know when that's going toe switch.

That little switch is gonna flip and they're gonna be like, Wait, I need to start dating so people kind of push it off.

That's one, like, failed mindset.

But the one that that a lot of people have is that, like the first dates and interview on that, like you're trying to gauge them.

You're trying to be impressed by them, and you're also trying to impress them, and it makes it really stressful.

And I was guilty of this when I started dating to where I was like, Oh, God, I have to be like my best form.

I gotta put on my nicest shirt.

I got it like gel up my hair and all that kind of stuff.

I mean, Joel, here it looks really bad, by the way.

I eventually really easily dating is about the process, like the process itself is the part that's meant to be enjoyable just meeting people doing things that you want to do.

Anyway, I started going on like fun dates instead of just getting dinner every single time.

So I'd start doing, like, many goal for even, like, laser tag.

Like these childish Blake.

Fun dates, like hiking, all that kind of stuff.

Just that you enjoy the experience and like having someone there with you makes it that much better.

It's no large contingent on the person.

One of things I learned a tender from, like, all of the research and interviews idea is that, like, the people who go into that mindset are just so much happier with the process.

And they're a lot more successful too Interesting.

Like, I think, fundamentally, I'm kind of the same.

Like, I just wanna have fun and stuff like that.

You know, I'm not trying to impress them.

It's on interview, but the process is totally different versus you.

So you're trying to have, like, a fun date, you know, like laser tag and stuff like that.

I always do the same day.

What's your date?

Oh, fuck.

What's your move?

I don't know if I can say this, uh, because there's a fucking Okay.

Oh, my God.

So everyone shits on my on my move because it's It is the shoes I bring them to the unnamed company.

Okay, where we work.

So I bring them there once was like, That's the dumbest thing.

It's like it's not a good day or whatever, but for me, it's because I want a risk date, right?

Because I don't know if I'm gonna like you're not.

So why am I gonna invest much time and money into you?

And then because I bring them to campus, it's free.

Aren't you nervous about like coworkers?

Seeing you like going on like a random date Like the cafeteria, though not carraway like Well, like I mean, isn't it cool for manly?

Oh, yeah, Date.

I've always liked so paranoid that lake people will start whispering and muttering about whatever you're like.