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  • Let's, uh, let's start with a little bit on your background.

  • As a child, you were born in Germany about that I was abundant.

  • Germany in 1918 in April and the war was still going on in the first World War.

  • And don't forget, this is the first World War.

  • I'm old and my father was an officer in the German army and he was away when I was born, and that starts my family history.

  • But I want to tell you about who my their parents were.

  • She wanted out there.

  • You're that?

  • Yes, because I want my Children to know what the heritage is if there was such a thing, is heritage or, uh, background where they come from?

  • A lot of people here in my retirement home spending a lot of time trying to dig up with the ancestors, were there particularly keen on what country they came from, what they did.

  • But they only do that when they get old.

  • So I thought, put it down.

  • So my Children have to I don't have to go through if they ever want to know if they do want to know.

  • Fine.

  • If they don't want to know it.

  • So the whole thing way.

  • It's just my way of telling where they come from.

  • My mother was born in first, Burg and her father and mother lived in a what they call a family compound, which is outside of tone, which has the houses of each of the family members that were given by the patriarch.

  • It's sort of fun.

  • Big courtyard, which is very unusual.

  • They don't do that anymore.

  • You don't call it a farm because it wasn't.

  • They raised horses.

  • Those days.

  • Horses were necessary for everything.

  • For the army, for the transportation.

  • Very Okay.

  • Uh, my grandfather, uh, was one of the people in the family who forces and went to market to sell them his job.

  • His job was part of the family, raised the horses.

  • You know, it's one old family, big family thing.

  • They're about four or five boys in that, and he went to market on the train courses.

  • It was some town near in Bavaria, and he sold some horses and on the way back he was going on a train and he had the money from the sale of the horses.

  • And then some men came, took the money and killed him.

  • So he died on the train.

  • So he was.

  • He was.

  • It was robbed and killed for the money of the sale of the horses.

  • I don't How much I don't know anything about.

  • It was a big thing.

  • Well, which made my grandmother a widow in this family compound.

  • And she came from another.

  • So in a sense, he was ostracized.

  • She was no longer part of that family, Not meanly, but not well taken care of because there was nobody to support her.

  • Yeah, it's a family boy.

  • Have helped the whole compound.

  • Well, everybody took part.

  • Yes, it was a family thing.

  • And she didn't want to be there either.

  • You know, it was one of those mutual things.

  • So she moved into the city into the town of Bird's book itself.

  • And there was and the woman had a son who had gone with a whole bunch of American boys in 18 80 to the United States because they were bored with life in a small town and they wanted to be adventuresome.

  • So they got together.

  • I think four or five.

  • I don't know how many and they came to United States is and came to New York.

  • They didn't like New York.

  • They were looking for work, their course in the horse straight because that's what they learned and they went to.

  • Then they went to Chicago and they didn't like it there.

  • And then somebody said, You go down, too.

  • Uh oh, no, not Arizona lodges he had.

  • I have one of these senior moments which are very embarrassing, and that happened a lot.

  • Santa Fe, New Mexico.

  • Okay, I'm in Santa Fe, New Mexico, and they had one of those.

  • I have pictures off they and he was in America and he raised horses with these boys.

  • And at one point he wanted to go home to see his mother.

  • His mother was widowed, and he went back to Germany to visit the mother.

  • The mother said.

  • Here's this beautiful girl woman and has two Children by mother and sister, and they fell in love, and my grandmother, I want to go to the United States is wonderful, he said.

  • No, you don't want to go to Santa Fe were outside of town.

  • We live in a wagon.

  • There is no operas.

  • There is no cafe there is not no theater is nothing very elegant, and you can't wear your dress is in your jewelry because she was one of these women who was about dressed and so on, he said.

  • You can't come, but they got married in and they bought.

  • This is interesting because it's very important to me and to my Children, a swell because when he came back with a lot of money that time, German money wasn't worth anything.

  • I'm a mic on too long.

  • But the point in this is really that he decided to buy some apartment houses, which were then for sale in Sidi Averts Berg.

  • They were on to three houses behind one another.

  • And then there was the field, with guards just a big huge garden and in the front where roses and in between her flowers.

  • And he bought that.

  • Then came inflation and depression.

  • He lost all his money.

  • We lose.

  • The house is so from then on, our theory in the family was always invest in real estate.

  • I'm saying this because it's been the mantra invests in real estate because if you lose your money, at least you got a place to live so it was very important.

  • And that's why I'm making this particular point.

  • Now, Before we move on, I want to get a few of the names because you mentioned people as as just of their name.

  • But yeah, let's let's start with your father.

  • Now.

  • Let's start with your grandmother.

  • Bona uh, Holder Holder?

  • Yeah.

  • And my grandfather Waas Freed line.

  • And I'm trying to think of what His first name.

  • Wallace Freed line here.

  • The whole plan was freed.

  • Line this.

  • This was the man who was killed?

  • Yes, the freed line.

  • And, uh, what else did you want to know?

  • That the names of the two?

  • Yes, back.

  • And then?

  • And then my mother married my father.

  • He he came back from.

  • All this is there's another transgression which was also interesting for another reason.

  • Ah, the Children.

  • Oh, this new husband, the one who was in Santa Fe.

  • It was a very nice man.

  • Two girls and treated him like his daughters.

  • And he it is.

  • It's usually customary in Germany to send Children abroad.

  • They sent my mother to England after she was graduated from high school, which is private school girls school, and her sister went to France to live and other, was sent to England and lived with a wonderful family who introduced her to the arts, to the music, to reading to the theater.

  • And she was very, very happy because the life of Bird's book was nice, but it was elegant, was well lived, but it was boring.

  • Can't she blossomed.

  • So this is another heritage I have is interested.

  • All these things came from another.

  • And this is just like we send our Children over abroad now, which is important to the peace card to all those things.

  • It was important in New York in those states which is 1918 20.

  • And so you sent your Children away.

  • That's how I came to the United States later on Cape to States.

  • So this is the precedent that was sent to Germany in other countries as well.

  • They exchange.

  • All right, now, wait now, huh?

  • With my mother's family, he met my, uh, unless you also want to talk about fathers.

  • Well, that's what I'm just about to start because I don't know anything about them.

  • I know only that his father died.

  • I was very young and he was he went, it was sent to her school.

  • Now I think it was a Catholic school.

  • That's why I think he may have been Catholic and I really don't know.

  • There was no religion in my family.

  • And then I met his brother and his Children.

  • They're all Lutheran.

  • So I said, Well, maybe it was a little babies.

  • A coffee?

  • I don't know.

  • Okay, that's also interesting because there was no mention of it.

  • So, um, his father died when he was very young.

  • The father was a candy Burt.

  • He made Candies and he made a special kind of can which we called sofa pillows like this.

  • Like a pillow inside was liquid.

  • On the outside was hard candy.

  • He invented that as this we thought, and they lived in a nice house in full part in Germany, on the Ryan, a charming place.

  • And the house is adorable.

  • It's still there.

  • It's in town, you know.

  • But that's all I know about it.

  • And also that the name Crimson, which was my name and my father's name, was the horse drawn carriage.

  • It's called a cleanser.

  • And I had an uncle great uncle of my fathers were brought Thanksgiving, I think in the trip him which recall the Thanksgiving hymn.

  • It's a history of the family, which is true or natural.

  • I don't legend.

  • Anyway, that's about him.

  • He had brothers and sisters.

  • Two brothers in the first World War This, uh, s horrible gas mustard cast.

  • And the other one became a postmaster in co blintz Germany.

  • And he had three Children.

  • Hiss son is still doctor in Hamburg who started a health clinic.

  • The craze that we have today eating only grasses, I call it You started it then the family name of cleanser.

  • My father's name was Rudolph.

  • Crime, sir.

  • Ah, and my cousin down though Crimes is still practicing medicine at 90 three or four right now.

  • Can't believe it, but he is very impressive.

  • And he and my parents went there to stay and visit with him.

  • They said we know everything to eat except grass.

  • Yes, but you see, this is also so interesting because this is part of our family too, you know, they're buying off real estate and the eating of grass and all these things.

  • A part of it.

  • Okay, no, let's pass from that to my childhood.

  • It was a very happy We spent the summers in my grandmother's house in birds Berg, my parents just there, which was great.

  • We loved it.

  • And then they went and had a vacation.

  • They went to Italy.

  • They went all over.

  • They picked us up in the end, took us home, which happened every year.

  • So have a fun memories of what Spoon play.

  • Oh goodness.

  • We've played with the kids.

  • We played not Reebok everywhere.

  • We went to the minder swim and learned how to ride a bicycle.

  • It was so open.

  • Everything was open.

  • You came home.

  • If you want some tea, eat, give you something in your sandwich with jam on it or something.

  • You know, it was a most carefully, most wonderful time had in the garden.

  • We ate the vegetables will be picked, pulled carrots right out of the earth and put it in this dirty water that was accumulated from the rainwater and wash Didn't aided me to pick the fruit from the trees.

  • There was a long did exercises.

  • I mean, it was just a barbarous childhood school in in well, look moved to Dusseldorf, removed several times because of the war that occupation of Germany.

  • There are all kinds of bad times of depression, inflation and just everything.

  • And the Children didn't really notice it.

  • It removed that life was good.

  • My parents were nice to each other, but they had very much leisure.

  • They we went on trips.

  • We enjoyed everything.

  • We had a car before anybody else did, which made me very proud.

  • Had a tele form.

  • And my school friends didn't have it, which was very early.

  • So yeah, I'm a service spot and I enjoyed it.

  • And then my sister was born.

  • I was seven years older, so she was no problem to me.

  • She just died this year.

  • Yes.

  • She lives in Hilton Head, South Carolina.

  • My husband is still alive.

  • Their Children like my well anyway, that I'm dwelling much too much on this very early childhood.

  • I don't think it was a fantastic time in your life.

  • Well, I tell you, what's important in that period.

  • Special inverts Berg, which it was a beautiful town.

  • They're much the baroque style.

  • The churches were full of angels and golden everything else, and we went from one church to another as kids just so beautiful with graphic service.

  • We burned Catholic.

  • I don't know what we were.

  • We went to that.

  • We went to downtown to the market, and I love the marketplace, fresh vegetables and all that, and the architecture is just fantastic.

  • A castle on top of the hill, a castle in town, with archbishop at this fantastic castle with 200 rooms and the Tiepolo ceiling and garden around it.

  • That's unbelievable.

  • So I see go to finally here and have such a wonderful feeling in time because it also has a very nice stately house.

  • But it's just a house and this gorgeous garden.

  • It reminds me when I was a child, this beautiful garden with statuary and this gorgeous residence where the stairway going up.

  • And it just had a lot of beautiful architecture in and that Riemenschneider oversee a sculptor in wood, and I still like like they're the figurines and things that are made out of wood and that last my old life.

  • So my point I'm making here is that if Children are surrounded, bye art and beautiful architecture and color and flowers and leisure, you have to have leisure to enjoy this.

  • I don't think people notice have leisure.

  • Enough for that.

  • But you're surrounded by court, actuary.

  • And beautiful laces and perfect things.

  • It stays here for the rest of your life.

  • You clearly had a lot of things around for stimulation.

  • Absolutely.

  • You've clearly made an impact.

  • It did.

  • And the travel to, You know, the family got the car and we traveled.

  • We went to France.

  • We went to both.

  • We went, I don't know.

  • Just everywhere.

  • You never had an opportunity to ever really become sedentary.

  • Well, I was lazy.

  • Oh, places, please.

  • I was lazy.

  • School didn't interest me.

  • What are ever I just looked out The window was dreaming, but I don't know what I was dreaming about.

  • I was a reader, too.

  • My mother was a very clever woman.

  • She was very smart.

  • She was much too smart for the life she was living.

  • And she was reading constantly.

  • And we had a, uh uh, bookcase.

  • My father was in the furniture business.

  • He has a manufacturer of furniture, and I went within sometimes to pick up woods for the furniture and also was there when they drew up, uh, furniture for for construction.

  • Very ornate.

  • I'm in German heavy heavy, heavy furniture.

  • And so I have also was enjoying interiors.

  • Had to be good, would have to be beautiful.

  • See, I'm ex surround myself with really good made for well made furniture.

  • But it was a very creative period In his spy.

  • He was He was a lovely man.

  • He used to tell wonderful jokes.

  • Everybody just loved him.

  • He was very funny and he was very free.

  • And my mother was very The area died there more quiet.

  • She loved the theater and she had theater people around.

  • She had We had a lot of actors, writers, people like that in the house.

  • It was my mother's deal.

  • That was her side.

  • And, uh, she taught us.

  • But funny in a strange way, in Europe, you didn't take your Children to the theater, didn't take him to the opera.

  • You talked about it, but you didn't do it.

  • That's very strange.

  • And now they take a child to anything, which I think is very good.

  • So, um, I'm just telling.

  • It was a rich childhood.

  • I was a flighty person.

  • I wasn't I was no student to tell just nothing until I came to United States.

  • I mentioned that before, in another context, that coming to United States was screaming for me and an awakening.

  • It was wonderful schooling.

  • I loved that I had to go back to high school.

  • My English wasn't good enough to get past examination the university.

  • So I had to go back to high school for a couple of years and I loved it.

  • Civics, education ahead.

  • Wonderful subjects.

  • Kids were walking around.

  • We had all kinds of people who have different color kind of people, you know, It was just so exciting for our school.

  • Both my mother and I went to private girl schools, so that's sort of limited.

  • Not interesting at all.

  • We did learn music and a few things, but it wasn't very exciting.

  • So where am I know?

  • I'm in?

  • Well, I think way covered your mind.

  • Your grand parents.

  • We touched a little bit about the backgrounds of your mother and father, and I think we can talk about them if you like a little bit more.

  • As as they're being role models to you as a child growing up in what your what?

  • Your parents talked about your father furniture maker.

  • While they had had factories we had.

  • That's funny to have a factory for each item.

  • I had a living room for a place that had one for dining rooms.

  • They had one for studies because the studies were very elaborate.

  • No wardrobes of us talking about the book one.

  • We had one with books and it had a blast.

  • Doors with a key.

  • My mother said, The books on this side, you can read the books on this Quite.

  • I don't want you to read.

  • And guess what?

  • I went to the books I couldn't read.

  • I read Toaster ate Shakespeare.

  • I read a lot and a love of the North.

  • I read Dostoyevsky, Corky.

  • And when I was under 16 years old, when I read all this and now I think, How did the understand How come I read all this stuff and I liked it?

  • How come?

  • What is there about this?

  • I realize that it made me a social Democrat.

  • I became very socially conscious through the reading of all these books.

  • At that time, there was a revolution in the world, and of course, the Russians were the ones that really talked about it.

  • The French so lot and son We're talking about the misery of the poor and you know, And then lager left was talking about the North and And I know I read it all as before 16 because it's all in German.

  • But my interest in books has never went.

  • I've been reading all my life It's all I do is spent.

  • Really?

  • Whether I understand it all I don't know.

  • I think some of it rubs off and so is that just completely forget.

  • But I wonder how I did learn that when I was young And why was it your mother didn't want you?

  • Because she knew I'd gone read him psychologically.

  • Oh, she did on purpose.

  • Oh, absolutely, absolutely.

  • I read a the less it's want or Latif by Balzac, which is a pornographic book.

  • I mean, what did I get out of it?

  • And my answer is, the Children only get out of it by us forces for some funny way.

  • They don't understand, but they get something out of it.

  • I can't figure what it is.

  • So my interest in books came from my mother.

  • My tire tried to be funny, which I'm trying sometimes to be and not always success is a little bit like my father.

  • He was also not terribly intellectual.

  • Hey, was hey like people are not like people.

  • My mother was a little bit more standoff.

  • Look quiet, a little more reticent.

  • That's she was a wonderful grandmother.

  • She came to the States.

  • I brought him over here and she made a wonderful grandmother when I was going on this trip.

  • Now don't talk about my Children in my life because this is background.

  • But I want to say that I had two wonderful Children.

  • One daughter was difficult.

  • We lived through the sixties and I was.

  • It was unknown to me, was unknown to all the people with whom I lived.

  • Because the rebellion, the sexual revolution, the hippie thing was with us.

  • My daughter.

  • What's a hippie?

  • My daughter did all kinds of awful things, and I didn't know how to deal with it.

  • I had no idea what so double had the other daughter who saw this Sandy.

  • She saw it and she didn't do any of it.

  • He was.

  • She was emancipated.

  • No, but But she didn't partake in the appeal that night.

  • Motor thought it did.

  • She just sat by quietly and she didn't get the attention that she should have had.

  • He was a good, wonderful, wonderful child, so we figured we didn't have to do it with her.

  • She was a spy.

  • It's the other one who caused s.

  • So it was a term ball in the household.

  • I don't know how it affected everybody.

  • It's just I just don't know.

  • It expected me and my husband very much.

  • We were very unhappy about it.

  • She became she was brilliant girl, Bonnie.

  • Brilliant.

  • But she didn't know where to channel her intelligence.

  • So she traveled around the world.

  • She went to Florence to school.

  • She went to private school.

  • She lived in Switzerland.

  • She lived in Italy.

  • She went all over and she was creative, but never carried it to any kind of extent.

  • Never carried it through.

  • So she was a problem to us and she was married.

  • And she produced two wonderful Children.

  • Aaron, who was here in San Francisco, and terror, who now listen Florida, at which she would move over here.

  • But it's too expensive for they both married.

  • They both have Children, so I have two great grandchildren and they're wonderful Children and grandchildren I really was lucky, really lucky.

  • And my daughter said, Here is the most devoted person in the world.

  • She is just wonderful.

  • I can't praise it in that She's kind and good creative.

  • Tell Metin just above, which is good looking.

  • He's always eating grass, not getting fat.

  • And she is lovely, just lovely.

  • He makes a beautiful hole.

  • You've seen it And she is a marvelous mother.

  • She makes up for me my being sort of half good mother.

  • And she is a double good mother.

  • Have you had have done something right to have her?

  • Well, they know they do it themselves.

  • Really?

  • I mean, you don't make it that way.

  • You provide the child or don't you?

  • In my case, you provide the things that are there.

  • You don't teach him a thing.

  • You show bikes by being you're not.

  • You can't teach a child.

  • You could only show a child by your own actions.

  • If you're honest, child, be honest.

  • Help!

  • If you good child were pick it up.

  • I don't see.

  • I don't, I don't.

  • Do you just say that Children a malleable.

  • You lend a certain amount your own influence.

  • But at some point.

  • The rest has probably has to get to the child.

  • Yes, that's what I'm telling you.

  • Why?

  • I think I read until I was 16.

  • Because what I'm telling you all the influences that influenced me when I was 16 hours on my own.

  • Nobody could do that.

  • So my feeling is be a good example and guide you until until they're 16.

  • But for heaven's sakes, don't the Malone after that that they've got what you could give him.

  • I think the best thing happened to me is leaving at 16 and coming to the United States by myself.

  • I had to.

  • I love it and it was hard.

  • It was very and that's where you get strong.

  • So my sister sent her son out when he was 16.

  • It didn't want to go to college, says Okay, you don't want to go to college, you go out on their own and she threw him up.

  • Now I thought it was horrible.

  • Well, he is doing very well.

  • He's the head of on Electron ICS company, and they're all over the Far East and everywhere.

  • And she threw him out and he became a hamburger hamburger fellow.

  • Eventually went to college, you know, it's I thought this cruel, terrible, awful.

  • But book He turned out okay, because he was over 16.

  • I think that so maybe everybody thinks some crease.

  • I can only tell that my own experience.

  • I'm doing Jesse everywhere.

  • Well, no, I don't know that you're digressing at all, but I think that you just brought up something very interesting.

  • And it reminds me of our previous conversation opportunities that enter your your life part of life, locking part of life being heard here.

  • You have your sisters.

  • Son is able to go from that situation able to create something in his life who knows in what ways he had opportunities arise to help him get in that position.

  • But it reminds me of your philosophy.

  • Yeah, through crisis comes action or something.

  • Either you look break.

  • I don't know.

  • You may break.

  • I don't know that I only know of people success at once.

  • They a thrown into some kind of crisis war.

  • My husband would have been a totally different person if he had been here as a professor at Berkeley, which he was going to be instead, more threw him into Europe into most incredible situations.

  • What I do with that?

  • Nothing.

  • Anyway.

  • So I think that those events war if you don't die and you don't have any kind of injury and you're not destined to will in some way teach you lots of things that you could Oh!

  • Oh, Lord, Yeah, that's good.

  • Get to war.

  • And you, you don't out injured are mentally sound because you have to be that.

  • Then you could take off.

  • You can really write your ticket in the war.

  • The Second World War.

  • The thing for most people here was going back to school.

  • Everybody went back to school, not everybody, but a lot of people had G i Bill of rights.

  • If the boys were coming back from Iraq, had that opportunity to go to college Bill of Rights being, you know, give people opportunity.

  • But you shouldn't have a war to give you an opportunity.

  • Yeah, but my theory is that you should, uh, give everybody a free.

  • Are you as much as you can.

  • We them out of there.

  • No good.

  • They have to do something else.

  • It's like the European system of apprenticeship.

  • If you don't make it here, you go to become an apprentice to something else but free, not burden you as a young person with love of debt.

  • Terrible.

  • We didn't have debt when we started our life.

  • Those days gr bills paid for things my husband went to California.

  • System, he said, didn't cost him much at Berkeley in those days.

  • I mean, it's just unthinkable that you put you want doctors and the doctor so burdened with debt.

  • Awful health system is broken because of it.

  • Think of thousands of people want to be doctors.

  • I don't have the opportunity.

  • Nurses need millions, and nurses don't have the opportunity.

  • There's no school for them.

  • It's incredible that we're doing so.

  • These are the things that I find, but this has nothing to do with telling my Children above their breakfront.

  • I'm so sorry.

  • It's going to know it's all part about things that you feel about the world, social views, part about who you are and the things that you feel a thing.

  • Well, I don't know.

  • I don't know what's important.

  • I know I have a lot of grievances here.

  • I just think it's a shame, but it's all over the world now.

  • It isn't just here.

  • I used to think of a certain German social service is being so wonderful because they were US.

  • Health insurance is perfect.

  • You go anywhere you know didn't cost a thing.

  • Our education was not free.

  • Um, I think this certain fish along if you there is a passage you had to pass a test and my parents said When I was 10 years old, I had to go from particle elementary school and take a test.

  • And since being a bad teeth bad pupil and not paying much attention, I was a little worried about that test.

  • And my mother said, You don't make that test.

  • You're just you know, in other words, this end of the world.

  • You don't make that test.

  • Can you measure the 10 year old going in there taking a test, say it's in the world.

  • This is crazy, you know?

  • Oh, incredible.

  • That even pass it unsurprised.

  • I did pass it.

  • So we go toe private school, but the kids or don't it's not a not bad they go to, but because whether called no, not public school.

  • But they get trained.

  • Yeah, they get trained in different ways.

  • Well, in the States.

  • I do it when you go to high school, you either go to university or the other business.

  • They always separate that little bit.

  • I don't know how it is today.

  • That was when I came here.

  • But anyway, I think I'm a month's leave with you that I have such great Children and such wonderful grandchildren And this adorable little Children, my great grandchildren, who are now in none day that by thank you the are drought instinct.

  • They have to go to all these different schools have to do that.

  • My two year old, it goes in tow all kinds of activities swimming, exercise, class, this class, that class I mean, I can't believe it's two years old.

  • I don't know what kind of people they're gonna make.

  • I don't know.

  • Maybe there'd be hyper intelligence after cope with it with electron ICS world today.

  • And I tell you, I can't cope with it.

  • So so beautiful.

  • Totally different world.

  • I can't judge it because I don't know this world.

  • I'm glad I'm leaving it.

  • I really am because it overwhelms me.

  • I feel stupid.

  • I can't work my computer.

  • I practically can't put a number in my telephone that where the numbers redundant, I have to change it.

  • You know how to do that if you're so stupid.

  • So this society makes any fences?

  • Well, it's It's just that things have changed so quickly, so recent versus the things that you knew for so long, and it's it's not a question of that.

  • It's just a question.

  • What the people who are growing up today society.

  • All right, I'd like to see 100 years from now, I wouldn't know a thing.

  • What happened here?

  • If I saw, you wouldn't know.

  • 100 years from now, I've tried a visualize it.

  • How's it gonna be like with that?

  • They're not talking about working on the brain, which is the greatest thing, Which I'm delighted, but because we were in biology too, You know, my husband, biology.

  • Ah, the advances that have been made a tremendous You're probably gonna lick most of those diseases.

  • And you're probably living to be 200 years old.

  • Every you gonna do live in a retirement home like I do?

  • You will have the money to do that.

  • So it frightens me.

  • Still paying off.

  • I know everybody is my grandson.

  • I think just now is a as a husband with the child is paid office.

  • We didn't pay his college because my both my daughters did not want to go to college.

  • But, uh, Bonnie never finished.

  • She went to Bennington, which was the best school in gold school in United States.

  • She quit after a while.

  • A year and 1/2.

  • It's all right.

  • He went overseas.

  • He studied No, that's different, Didn't get a degree, couldn't couldn't make find anything to do, is make a living because she was so well educated and had so many different things.

  • And nothing tell, She became had a bookstore.

  • So she was good that books.

  • But what are they preparing for?

  • I don't know.

  • The world is gonna be so different.

  • What kind of education will they have to have?

  • Let's let's talk a little bit more about Yes.

  • So Bonnie had a bookstore.

  • But let's talk about what she how she fell into having the bookstore after being kind of the world traveler, that he said she that whole period, very creative couldn't really find a place to land badly.

  • Well, all right, so we were my husband wasn't Aspen.

  • The Aspen Institute is president and my daughter was there, and she started to work in a bookstore there.

  • But she was a hippie, and her future husband was a hippy with her in the bookstore.

  • So they got married and the two hippies scary, married without knowing how to make a living.

  • It was rough.

  • So they went to um in Colorado to Boulder and worked for the they became Buddhists.

  • That's the next thing you know.

  • After it.

  • You become a Buddhist because Buddhism has gives him some meaning in life, and I admire that.

  • Whatever it is it gives you, meaning.

  • Please do it.

  • It's the first time they found meaning in life and devoted their life to the Nairobi Institute, which is Buddhist institution.

  • My daughter's worked for the Buddhist store, did a wonderful job, increases.

  • She got all kinds of accolades.

  • That's only time somebody really complimented her as being fabulous and what she's doing.

  • And he was.

  • The Roper is to teaching, so they had a good life.

  • They had two Children and he decided to be a philanderer, so she kicked him out or he kicked.

  • That kicked each other out she went with the Buddhist to Nova Scotia and took her Children.

  • Children never got over that separation, and he has married now three times and has about five different Children and doesn't support any of them.

  • So this was sort of somewhat the result off, giving them all education through anything for them without asking them to control themselves to become something we want to get away from that rigid notion that we had his Children, that you've got to go to school, you got to go to university.

  • You got to do all this, we said.

  • None of that lets people free.

  • Well, that was evolution.

  • They became free, and those people became so free, never really settled.

  • So many of them, so many intelligent, incredibly creative and totally inadequate life.

  • That's two might looking at it.

  • And you mentioned that Bonnie since passed away a she she had lived in end Nova Scotia with her Children.

  • Unfortunately, we had to support them, you know, which was fine.

  • I mean, she was a good mother, a good mother, except she spent too much time with the Buddhists.

  • The Buddhists were in the house.

  • Old time, you know it's sort of displacing something that she needed.

  • And the Children got a little bit of short thrift there and presented it, and they have their own.

  • Particularly it's been hurt by that.

  • Unfortunately, it's just but Aaron.

  • It's of wonderful person, very creative.

  • He has created your creativity and he followed a little bit my husband's footstep in the nonprofit world.

  • So there is something off that comes off the background.

  • Toa alta front.

  • I think you know your parents haven't influence by us Moses.

  • So all my Children, uh, are philanthropists.

  • It's sort of almost as I'd say in the blood, while 60 years of marriage will certainly provide plenty of influence an example and chip off the old block to your Children.

  • I mean, you were married for a long time.

  • That had quite an impression on and the negative one.

  • Don't forget.

  • And my Children are compensating for that.

  • The negative one is that my theory?

  • Waas my husband first because I told them once, which I shouldn't have done that.

  • I'm I was with him before you.

  • Okay, you're our gift and you're gonna leave us and I'm going to be with him afterwards.

  • So in other words.

  • He's very important to me and it was important to me to be with him because it also gave me substance I didn't have.

  • I was hiss out of evil.

  • I don't know.

  • I was helping him in some way and we were gone a lot and I was very close to him.

  • I thought I was a good mother, love my Children, but they felt short changed somehow.

  • Yet I had help.

  • Always.

  • My mother was always there, baby sitting or coming when I was gone, when we were gone.

  • But they felt that very deeply that we were not there for them the way Children today.

  • So what happens?

  • Mike daughters, my grandchildren over mother's uber Ma muta There are just involved with their Children.

  • 110%.

  • They're making up for me the strength.

  • So I'm in.

  • Whatever you do you can do for good or for bad.

  • For Phil, you don't know which way it goes.

  • But the 60 years of marriage also off for me it was, I mean for both of us.

  • My husband and I, we're extremely well suited to one another.

  • Not that he didn't have his phone I have my faults.

  • Absolutely.

  • You're certain things he disliked about me and their certain things.

  • I didn't like it.

  • So it's not, You know, it's good because you just and you that be you know, he adored music.

  • He had music for morning tonight and he could tell which composer and what is so?

  • And we went to concerts constantly, constantly, constantly.

  • I I have a deaf ear.

  • I I went to conscious because that's what he's not.

  • And right now, now that I'm a widow, I don't go to concerts and I don't hear music very much.

  • I got too much for over that.

  • What did he not like about me?

  • He always thought I should People elegant.

  • I should be more Somehow he compared to certain fancy wives that were very specially, you know, uh, whatever they were and I wasn't I was just subordinate.

  • So he kept wanting me to be just a little bit more what I wasn't.

  • And so we had our little I think I'm sorry.

  • That's the way I might try.

  • I'll do my best.

  • So, uh, marriage isn't 100% but it's certainly 96%.

  • That's good enough.

  • And I see the people here, we're still married.

  • Most of them here, strangely enough, are all married 50 60 years.

  • People live here and you see the two old ones going along with their case and their hands in that each other.

  • And I'm jealous because that's what I would have liked.

  • But I wasn't given that he died.

  • But it was a good, good marriage.

  • And the other day of my son lot, I was so called son in law, said Tommy, Have you ever known a really happy person?

  • I said Yes, he said, Who is it?

  • I said, I am.

  • We couldn't believe it.

  • You know, I had a good life, a good family.

  • I have a wonderful retirement.

  • I'm still healthy, not gun would have you complaining about.

  • So that's on you.

  • Do you find that it's unusual because people complain maybe too much about things that they don't need to complain about, or that people really maybe do have things to complain about, or they're just not happy enough when they really shouldn't.

  • Well, it's a lot of these things.

  • Some of it, of course, is physical.

  • If you're not well made, forget I noticed that this is a bad thing to say.

  • I always regretted that never quite finished college.

  • And this was a chip that I had on my shoulder and I'm here and I hate to speak out of school here.

  • I have met so many women and they're all college graduates.

  • Stanford, Berkely, blah, blah, all of them.

  • You sit down and they're the most un interesting people you ever met.

  • Why they never continue.

  • They never learned more.

  • They played bridge that played golf.

  • They had big houses and they could talk about those big houses in their big pools and their country club and all this and I think to myself find so they had a you know, it's their life.

  • But to me, what did they do with all that education?

  • A lot of I mean, I'm not everybody.

  • Please, There are fabulous people here.

  • People are still active, People are still working.

  • I'm not talking about talking about a lot of people who go to university and then become fantastic mothers and do nothing else.

  • I don't think that's a life.

  • Well, I don't know.

  • I didn't do anything else.

  • I didn't work.

  • All right?

  • I lived for my husband, maybe some of them through their husbands.

  • But if you are an accountant or your oh, your scientists of some esoteric thing, there isn't much You talk about it tonight, and so it is their fault.

  • You know, it's nothing else but their Children, and they hang on their Children because I am not Metro too terribly.

  • Oh, poor set, Poor Sally, poor grandchildren.

  • And I'm a piss.

  • Yeah, but they'll miss me just a sec.

  • So with that, that's somewhat led us into information that you may want to part on two.

  • Your Children, your grandchildren, conclusions or wife lesson Anything.

  • I can't really.

  • I can't because their life is so different.

  • Anything I say, it's it.

  • Oh yeah, in your life, you know, in your time.

  • Oh, this isn't like that.

  • But life isn't like that.

  • Not at all.

  • My grandchild's life.

  • It's very different.

  • They both work.

  • They all have to be working.

  • The women are more equal to their men.

  • Assumptions of the women make more money than the men are there more.

  • Listen, that it's such a unusual life that I think there are no lessons to be learned.

  • I don't think The only thing you can do as a grandmother is be there.

  • And every time you mentioned something the past Oh, yeah, Mother, You told me that before.

  • Oh, I know that.

  • I know.

  • I sound so.

  • There's nothing I can tell them.

  • Really?

  • Not for you.

  • I just care for them and enjoy them.

  • And I wish him the best because education, my little grandchildren two year old is getting It's beyond me.

  • They're learning computer.

  • They sit there.

  • The under P unknown already playing.

  • It's all good.

  • It's all wonderful.

  • The life is there for them.

  • I don't know what how it's gonna fall.

  • I haven't no play clue None?

  • No.

  • All the divorces.

  • Everybody's been divorced.

  • Both my girls.

  • How can I give me information?

  • There isn't any.

  • Do what you like to do.

  • Behave yourself.

  • Watch out for those open doors.

  • They do that.

  • I mean, everybody in my family is It's watching open doors and doing well.

  • Yeah, I think so.

  • Bring up their Children madly smothering them.

  • I can't tell him.

  • Please don't smother your Children.

  • Just let him be.

  • They don't want that, and they won't do anything about it anyway.

  • Wise old out.

  • Don't do anything Well, I think that you certainly imparted Maur lessons at more information Now, just through stories that are told in life that you've lived in examples that said, it certainly has very apparent to me in our conversations that that well, that's very kind of you to say it would be nice to believe it.

  • No, be nice to say that I've been here for something because we're not really here for very much except for creation.

  • And but, well, I from the stories that you told that I've seen, he certainly created well, I created wonderful Children and grandchildren.

  • It's all I could say and that's the old doing.

  • I didn't do anything, I think.

  • I think the influences Well, I would like to think that, but and I don't take it.

  • No, I'm glad if it did.

  • I'm pleased that say, I was here for something and I think that's what we're here for is to see the next generation go on but nuts, mother, but and let him be good, honest people.

  • One thing I did learn from all my experiences that a good, wonderful people, every nationality in every nationality, and I hate to see what we're doing.

  • That heat that spewed forth about either one country or another country or one people, one religion or another religion.

  • I've never seen anything like it.

  • The fighting between religions and what they're fighting for is supposed to be the same thing.

  • And it just doesn't work.

  • I mean to me.

  • Hey, this is that religion doesn't work for a lot of people.

  • I don't more for everybody.

  • Some people need it, but it doesn't work.

  • I love your neighbour.

  • Oh, come on.

  • You know, don't do this.

  • Do this, do something out.

  • Adultery.

  • Yeah, it's going on.

  • I mean, I couldn't help that it's in the Bible, but my kids love to adultery.

  • So, you know, do not steal.

  • Well, it's a good idea, and ye

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